Re: Help in selecting laptop

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya

> I'm looking to purchase a laptop, probably used and I want to install
> debian linux on it.  Can anyone point me to a good source or suggest a
> brand or particular configuration? I'm not so concerned about speed,
> but it might be nice to be able to hear/watch a cd..  I want to keep
> price below $700 if possible.. I plan to be using it abroad (Africa)
> in the future, so reliability is important. I'm not sure about power

when you find that laptop... a reliable one for $700...
please do tell the rest of us ... the make and model...
( most "good laptops" are around $1K- $1500 range and upwards )
( sony, toshiba, nec, hp, compaq, ibm, etc..etc..

watch out too if it supports X11... and some pcmcia cards..

go to Best Buy or was it Circuit City and intall from your cdrom and
see if it work ... their TV commercial says come down and play/twiddle 
with the toys they have for sale before you buy .. ( elsewhere )

otherwise check the hardware compatibility lists BEFORE you buy 
your laptop

have fun
alvin

> source but a converter will surely do the trick. I've done some
> research, seems the modem can be a snag.. 
> thanks 
> 
> 
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Re: [users] Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Dave Sherohman]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:49:10PM +0100, Eric E Moore wrote:
> Dave> Worse, though, is the case of a binary-only package which makes
> Dave> assumptions about running services based on runlevel.  When it
> Dave> breaks because of customized runlevels, the admin _can't_ fix it
> Dave> except by going back to the LSB-defined scheme.
> 
> Certainly, this is bad, however I imagine that altering the LSB
> specification to forbid this sort of idiotic behavior,

Idiotic?  Perhaps.  But I've seen its like many times in the years I
spent as a developer.  Not only could I name programmers who would
take the easy way out, even if they knew they would have to go back
and fix it later (in hopes of being able to evade the fix by whining
about how it's too much trouble for too little benefit), I could also
name managers who would order their underlings to do it the wrong way
for the illusion of expediency.  That sort of thing is plenty common
in the world of commercial software.

In any case, even if making assumptions based on current runlevel is
explictly forbidden by the standard, it will be done unless that
specific point is regularly tested for compliance by the certifying
body.  Unfortunately, I would expect it to be a low priority for
testing, as it would only cause trouble on "non-compliant" systems.

> and saying that
> the runlevels are defined for the sole purpose of determining which
> runlevels to insert boot scripts into, and that relying on checking
> the runlevel is an error, would be well-recieved, whereas just
> chucking the whole thing, will not.


Of course it wouldn't be well-received to suggest that the standard
be changed to make admins' lives easier at the cost of making things
a little more difficult for commercial developers.  Which of those
two groups is writing the standard?


> I disagree.  Starting X may involve starting multiple services, xdm,
> xfs, it's certainly possible you don't want sound daemons running,
> unless you've switched into "workstation mode".

On the flip side, you may have a server (I know that I've got one)
which doesn't run X itself, but still wants xdm, xfs, etc. running
so that other machines on the network can attach to them.  If you
can't know that a priori, why should the standard make assumptions
about it?

> Certainly, grouping
> together networking services (potentially a great many services) into
> a runlevel makes sense.  Certainly, a network daemon should not be
> installed into a runlevel which doesn't ifup any interfaces.

Yes, but, unlike xdm, this is an easy one to test for.  Just look at
ifconfig to see if any non-loopback interfaces are configured or
route to see if any routes are defined.  Or, again, don't make any
assumptions - a standalone machine may want apache running so that,
e.g., dwww can make man pages available through netscape even if
there aren't any other machines to talk to.

> Certainly, an LSB 2 with an entirely new
> system for handling init, that has full dependency and pseudo-package
> (gdm/xdm/etc) support would be an exciting thing.

Indeed it would, but it dependency on a specific configuration of
runlevels can be removed without requiring the full dependency
information.  The init scripts should have a pretty good idea of what
they need to work and can look to see whether those things are
running and exit if they aren't, just like the standard Debian init
scripts verify that the daemon's binary exists before trying to
execute it.  Yes, if I decide to create a new zdm, I may have to
modify a script to tell it that zdm is an acceptable substitute for
xdm, but, IMO, that's a small price to pay for the assurance that, if
I rearrange my runlevels, (or, the next day, I write a replacement
for init that either doesn't use runlevels or allows an infinite
number of them) I won't have to worry about software malfunctioning
or not installing properly because I'm in violation of LSB's
assumptions about how I use my machine.

> Dave> `/etc/init.d/xdm stop|start` might
> Dave> call for a little more typing than `init 3|5`, but it's hardly
> Dave> difficult.  And, to me at least, `xdm stop` obviously means
> Dave> "shut xdm down", while `init 3` has no readily apparent
> Dave> relationship to X or xdm unless you're bringing outside
> Dave> knowledge with you.
> 
> Agreed.  Assuming, of course, you don't run xfs or rplay, or anything
> else you want running with X.  In which case it does make sense to
> group those things together.  The only mechanism we have now in init,
> is runlevels.  

You make a good point.  Perhaps the better avenue, then, would be to
work up a standard for defining groups of services which can be
started up and shut down together, rather than trying to standardize
on a 'one size fits all' set of runlevels.  It might even be easier,
although I can already see a few problems that would have to be dealt
with.

Just to throw in a little history here (and risk incurring the wrath
of the Open/Free Software equivalent of Godwi

Deleting locales?

[Chris Tillman]

When I wanted to download some new programs, I noticed I didn't have enough 
space on my usr partition. I went looking for ways to make space, and found
around 25M in the usr/share/locales folder for languages other than my own. 

Is there a utility to eliminate locales other than the native locale from 
my machine? Or can I just delete the unneeded directories from the tree?

I also noted a huge (50M) store of fonts and other stuff in the /usr/share/texmf
folder. Is that stuff needed only for X programs? 


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fetchmail at boot

[xucaen]

currently I have fetchmail being run at login from ~/.bash_profile.
this is fine for myself at login, however, I would like to have
fetchmail run as a daemon at boot time so it can poll for multiple
users. Where should I have fetchmail loaded from to do this?

thanks

Re: Deleting locales?

[John R Lenton]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:45:56PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> Is there a utility to eliminate locales other than the native locale from 
> my machine? Or can I just delete the unneeded directories from the tree?

apt-localepurge

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Re: networking windows and linux

[Steve Kowalik]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:45:44PM -0400, D-Man uttered:
> I bet none of them (the management anyways) do -- they tell their IT
> department to make it work :-).  Then the IT department pulls a
> NT=>Linux changeup under their nose and the need to reboot stops.
> (I've read of this actually happening in some places :-)).
> 
Also referred to as "How to run a Linux web server without your boss
knowing", or "Replacing a departments server with Linux, and not have them
notice."

-- 
Steve
  "I'm a sysadmin because I couldn't beat a blind monkey in a coding contest."
--Me


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RE: fetchmail at boot

[Jeremy Gaddis]

Depends on how you connect to the network (either local
network or Internet, whichever applies).  I use a dialup
PPP link so I put it in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/, but if you have
a cable/DSL/etc. connection, I'd write a quick init script,
put it in /etc/init.d/, and create symlinks (in /etc/rc*.d/)
to bring it up after everything else.

j.

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-Original Message-
From: xucaen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 1:59 AM
To: Debian User
Subject: fetchmail at boot


currently I have fetchmail being run at login from ~/.bash_profile.
this is fine for myself at login, however, I would like to have
fetchmail run as a daemon at boot time so it can poll for multiple
users. Where should I have fetchmail loaded from to do this?

thanks



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RE: networking windows and linux

[Jeremy Gaddis]

And let's not forget, "How to get your ass fired
real quick when the suits *DO* notice."

j.

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-Original Message-
From: Steve Kowalik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:23 AM
To: D-Man
Cc: Debian-User List
Subject: Re: networking windows and linux


On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:45:44PM -0400, D-Man uttered:
> I bet none of them (the management anyways) do -- they tell their IT
> department to make it work :-).  Then the IT department pulls a
> NT=>Linux changeup under their nose and the need to reboot stops.
> (I've read of this actually happening in some places :-)).
>
Also referred to as "How to run a Linux web server without your boss
knowing", or "Replacing a departments server with Linux, and not have
them
notice."

--
Steve
  "I'm a sysadmin because I couldn't beat a blind monkey in a coding
contest."
--Me

Re: xv alternatives

[Phillip Deackes]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:09:52 -0400
Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I like xloadimage (xview), although xv is certainly nice.

I second that. I love the way xloadimage turns the cursor into a double
arrow where the image is larger than the screen and lets you move the
image around so you can see all parts of it more easily. Much nicer than
the way imagemagick does it.

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Using Progeny Debian Linux

Re: fetchmail at boot

[Phillip Deackes]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:59:06 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> currently I have fetchmail being run at login from ~/.bash_profile.
> this is fine for myself at login, however, I would like to have
> fetchmail run as a daemon at boot time so it can poll for multiple
> users. Where should I have fetchmail loaded from to do this?

This is exactly what I do.

Fetchmail needs to run as root so you need a .fetchmailrc in /root like
this:

set daemon 600
poll pop.xxx.xxx
protocol pop3
username [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
password xxx
poll pop.x.x
protocol pop3
username scgf01 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
password xxx
poll pop.xx.xx
protocol pop3
username scgf02 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
password xxx

As you can see, I poll three mailboxes. The daemon 600 ensures that
fetchmail runs as a daemon and polls the mailboxes at intervals of 10
minutes. I have a cable connection to the internet so this works well.

All you need to do is start fetchmail during bootup:

#! /bin/sh
# /etc/init.d/fetchmail
# Hacked by Ross Boylan from the exim script which was...
#
# Written by Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
# Modified for Debian GNU/Linux by Ian Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
# Modified for exim by Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
# To start fetchmail as a system service, copy this file to
# /etc/init.d/fetchmail and run "update-rc.d fetchmail
# defaults".  A fetchmailrc file containg hosts and
# passwords for all local users should be placed in /root
# and should contain a line of the form "set daemon ".
#
# To remove the service, delete /etc/init.d/fetchmail and run
# "update-rc.d fetchmail remove".

set -e


DAEMON=/usr/bin/fetchmail
ARGS="--fetchmailrc /root/.fetchmailrc"
DEBUGLOG=/var/log/fetchmail.log
NAME=fetchmail

echo `whoami` `date` >> $DEBUGLOG
# This was not my only test of uid.  I created a shell script and
# ran it from start-stop-deamon. The script printed whoami as root.

test -x $DAEMON || exit 0 

case "$1" in
  start)
echo -n "Starting fetchmail: "
start-stop-daemon --start -v --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS >> $DEBUGLOG
# Note the use of -- before args to the program
echo "Done."
;;
  stop)
echo -n "Stopping fetchmail: "
start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --exec $DAEMON
echo "Done."
  ;;
  restart|reload|force-reload)
echo "Restarting fetchmail: "
start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --exec $DAEMON
start-stop-daemon --start -v --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS >> $DEBUGLOG
echo "Done."
;;
  *)
echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/$NAME {start|stop|restart}"
exit 1
;;
esac

exit 0


I also have a .forward file in my home directory which sorts mail for
other users:

# Exim filter  <<== do not edit or remove this line!

if error_message then finish endif
logfile $home/eximfilter.log

if $h_To: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
then deliver scott

elif $h_To: contains "sah1"
then deliver scott

endif

'scott; is obviously a user on my system. Not sure why I have this file in
*my* home directory, but it works so I just leave it there. I assume it
works because in my .fetchmailrc I am telling fetchmail to send all mail
initially to me as gsmh, therefore mail becomes my property before exim
takes over to filter it.

All credit to those who originally supplied me with this info.

Hope this helps.

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Using Progeny Debian Linux

Lilo: How to boot from hda and hdb?

[Timeboy]

Hi!

I have two harddisks now. Master /dev/hda for my Debian Linux and slave 
/dev/hdb for Win95, which i need sometimes. But i can't boot from my
second harddisk with my current settings in /etc/lilo.conf. Lilo tells
me: "booting win" and then nothing happens. What i have to do, to make
it possible, that lilo can boot from /dev/hdb too?

This is my lilo.conf:

lba32
boot=/dev/hda
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
# password=tatercounter2000
# message=/boot/bootmess.txt
prompt
timeout=100
vga=0x133
default=Linux

image=/boot/vmlinuz
root=/dev/hda2
append="idebus=33"
label=Linux
read-only

other=/dev/hdb1
table=/dev/hdb
label=win

Timo

Re: [users] Re: crontab

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach J.A.Serralheiro (on Fri, 06 Jul 2001 08:03:59PM +0100):
> well it seems to me that you are erasing the tape every thursday at 14
> hours and 21 minutes. Do you backup in the tape? then you will loose the
> old backup. That's fine, but field 4 () day of month) matches every day,
> so you will have a backup every day, and an additional backup every friday 
> this also aplies to the deletion of the tape.

this is not right. if only DOW is specified, then these backups will
only happen friday or saturday, no matter what day of the month it is.
if you were to specify both, DOW and DOM, then it would only execute
whenever the e.g. 8th of a month is a friday.

>  Im sorry, Im reading the crontab (5) manpages and I cant find how to
> disable the backup and deletion for every day of month.

like he initially did...

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Gnome1.4 question!

[Timeboy]

I have installed Gnome1.4 and like to logout of gnome-session with an shell
script instead of the logout button on panel. Does anybody know which
kommand i have to use for this?

Timo

Re: pre-removal script

[Colin Watson]

bewm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>where is the pre-removal script for gdm  (gnome display manager)

/var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.prerm

>also how do i make it NOT get executed on 'dpkg --purge'

You don't. You could edit it so that it doesn't fail, though (assuming
that's why you're asking ...).

Cheers,

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Re: Lilo: How to boot from hda and hdb?

[Sebastiaan]

Hello,

On 7 Jul 2001, Timeboy wrote:

> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have two harddisks now. Master /dev/hda for my Debian Linux and slave 
> /dev/hdb for Win95, which i need sometimes. But i can't boot from my
> second harddisk with my current settings in /etc/lilo.conf. Lilo tells
> me: "booting win" and then nothing happens. What i have to do, to make
> it possible, that lilo can boot from /dev/hdb too?
> 
Windoze needs to be the first harddisk because they never thought another
OS could run on the same system. You have two options: you can switch the
harddisks, but then we let windoze win. The alternative is to swap the
drives on the BIOS level before windoze boots: see below

> This is my lilo.conf:
> 
> lba32
> boot=/dev/hda
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> # password=tatercounter2000
> # message=/boot/bootmess.txt
> prompt
> timeout=100
> vga=0x133
> default=Linux
> 
> image=/boot/vmlinuz
>   root=/dev/hda2
>   append="idebus=33"
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> other=/dev/hdb1
>   table=/dev/hdb
>   label=win
map-drive=0x80
to=0x81
map-drive=0x81
to=0x80

This will switch the first and the second drive, so windoze think's it is
first.

Greetz,
Sebastiaan

> 
> Timo
> 
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Re: Two questions

[Shaul Karl]

> Thanks. In my digging today I found the archtable - and it
> is indeed compiled in. I think the version I have doesn't
> have the right/full archtable in it.
> 



I have cc to debian-user rather then debian-mentors since I believe -user is 
more appropriate for this. -mentors is meant to help making debs.



> Here's another quetion. The system I'm compiling on is
> missing.
> 
>   /usr/include/floatingpoint.h
>   /usr/include/math.h
>   /usr/include/sys/ieeefp.h
> 
> Where can I get these? OS vendor package or GNU package?
> 



libc6-dev: /usr/include/math.h
dpkg: /usr/include/floatingpoint.h not found.
dpkg: /usr/include/sys/ieeefp.h not found.

I have /usr/include/math.h from the libc6-dev and the other 2 are not in my 
system.
Tough, of course, this does not mean that there is no package that installs 
them.

However could it be that you are mixing Sun tools, headers, files and so on 
with Debian? Does the software that you are trying to compile was obtained as 
a software that gets compiled with Linux?



> thanks!
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shaul Karl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:36 PM
> > To: David R. Van Sandt
> > Cc: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: Two questions 
> > 
> > 
> > > We are using dpkg on Solaris to manage packages. I am having a
> > > couple of difficulties.
> > > 
> > > 1. I've built a package, but when I install it I get this error.
> > > 
> > > dpkg: warning, architecture `sun4u-sunos-5.8' not in remapping table
> > > dpkg: error processing reng.cgiemail-1.6-v-1.deb (--install):
> > >  package architecture (sparc-sunos-5.8) does not match system (unknown)
> > > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > >  reng.cgiemail-1.6-v-1.deb
> > > 
> > > How to clear this error?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Section D.2.3 of policy says that
> > 
> >  `dpkg' will check the declared architecture of a binary package
> >  against its own compiled-in value before it installs it. 
> > 
> > Perhaps you should try dpkg-architecture?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > dpkg --print-architecture
> > > /ms/bin/dpkg: warning, architecture `sun4u-sunos-5.8' not in 
> > remapping table
> > > unknown
> > > 
> > > What is and where is the remapping table?
> > > 
> > > 2. I installed this with --force-architecture. then in my testing I
> > > removed it with 'dpkg -r reng.cgiemail' and it removed. It ALSO removed
> > > all the other files that were in the same directory. What could i have
> > > missed? Or, how can I prevent this.
> > > 
> > > thanks!
> > > 
> > > David R. Van Sandt
> > > Sr. Systems Engineer, Release Engineering
> > > EarthLink, Inc. - (800) Earthlink, x65137
> > > Office: 626-296-5137 / Mobile: 541-301-5137
> > > 
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> > 
> > Hillel used to say: If I am not for myself who will be for me?
> > Yet, if I am for myself only, what am I? And if not now, when?
> >   (Ethics Of The Fathers 1:14)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 

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Yet, if I am for myself only, what am I? And if not now, when?
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Security manager (mozilla M18), trying to run as normal user

[Davor Balder]

Hi all,

I installed security manager for mozilla (Mozilla M18 under Potato, 
normal direct modem connection-no proxies) a few days ago and am still 
trying to run it as normal user. I have no problems running it as root, 
but when I try requesting secure connection as normal user, connection 
gets refused. Any workarounds? Can it be run as normal user at all?




Thank you,


Davor

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Re: Gnome1.4 question!

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 12:57:18 +, Timeboy wrote:
> 
> I have installed Gnome1.4 and like to logout of gnome-session with an shell
> script instead of the logout button on panel. Does anybody know which
> kommand i have to use for this?

man save-session
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Re: Two questions

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:07:34PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
> > Here's another quetion. The system I'm compiling on is
> > missing.
> > 
> > /usr/include/floatingpoint.h
  What's it? Anything like "float.h" in standard C?
 
> >   /usr/include/math.h
  libc
  
> > /usr/include/sys/ieeefp.h
 /usr/include/ieee754.h ?

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Cannot connect to certain web sites

[Kyle Girard]

Hello,

Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to connect to certain web pages while i'm in linux?  I can connect to almost any webpage but the following (at this is all i've found so far)

http://java.sun.com
http://www.chapters.ca
http://www.greyhound.ca

I've tried netscape, galeon, mozilla, opera and nothing works... reboot into windows and I can view them fine..., my housemates also running linux (redhat) and don't have a problem viewing any of these pages.. I've uninstalled reinstalled all of the above browsers, tried as different users, moved my .netscape .mozilla etc directories out of the way...  it's driving my nuts... I remember that I used to be able to view them... a couple of months ago ... Can anyone help me out?


Kyle

Re: Cannot connect to certain web sites

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 08:07:16 -0400, Kyle Girard wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to connect to certain web
> pages while i'm in linux?  I can connect to almost any webpage but
> the following (at this is all i've found so far)
> 
> http://java.sun.com
> http://www.chapters.ca
> http://www.greyhound.ca
> 
> I've tried netscape, galeon, mozilla, opera and nothing works...
> reboot into windows and I can view them fine..., my housemates also
> running linux (redhat) and don't have a problem 

Got any logs? Error messages of browser?
2 Possibilities come to mind:
Configuration problem in firewall or this problem:
http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s14-2

Kind regards, M.
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shutdown as user

[Timeboy]

Hi!

What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?

Timo

Re: Gnome1.4 question!

[Timeboy]

On 07 Jul 2001 13:32:02 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:

> ** On 07 Jul 2001 12:57:18 +, Timeboy wrote:
> ** > 
> ** > I have installed Gnome1.4 and like to logout of gnome-session with an 
> shell
> ** > script instead of the logout button on panel. Does anybody know which
> ** > kommand i have to use for this?
> ** 
> ** man save-session

Thanx! save-session was a help for me!

This saves my session
But how can i logout, to start something like kde?

Timo

Re: Gnome1.4 question!

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 12:57:18 +, Timeboy wrote:
> Does anybody know which
> kommand i have to use for this?
 ^^^

I thing kommands work only in KDE, try a gommand ;o)

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Re: shutdown as user

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 14:31:21 +, Timeboy wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?

>From Gnome or from console? 
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Radius error on a ppp server

[Mário Henrique Cruz Tôrres]

Good morning. I have a ppp server on my house but I'm receivind an
error message from RADIUS:
PAM authentication not available

Anyone know what is this ?

Thanks a lot.

Mario H.C.T.

my system : radius + portslave + multiserial cyclades

Re: Gnome1.4 question!

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 14:26:51 +, Timeboy wrote:
> 
> On 07 Jul 2001 13:32:02 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> > ** man save-session
> 
> Thanx! save-session was a help for me!
> 
> This saves my session
> But how can i logout, to start something like kde?

Hm, I meant you shoud /read/ the save-session manpage:

"SYNOPSIS
   save-session [--kill] [--gui]
[...]
You can specify the --kill argument to terminate the GNOME
   session."

So, 'save-session --kill' should probably do it.

Kind regards, M.
 
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Package installation error -- What is going on?

[David H . Silber]

When I recently tried out aptitude, apt-get replaced apt 0.3.19 with apt
0.5.3.  On the very next install (docbook-doc), I had problems.  I don't
know if it was a problem with the docbook-doc package or of the new apt
package.  In the meanwhile, I'm afraid of installing more packages lest
I compound some problem with the package maintenance system.

I'm using unstable, as somewhere alone the line I needed something that
was unavailable in stable or testing.

Should I ignore this error and proceed as normal, or are there steps I
need to take to correct a problem?

(Please CC: me with any responses, as I no longer monitor the debian-user
list.  Thank you.)

Here is what happened:

  root:~  # apt-get -u install aptitude
  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  The following extra packages will be installed:
apt libsigc++0 
  The following NEW packages will be installed:
aptitude libsigc++0 
  The following packages will be upgraded
apt 
  1 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 252 not upgraded.
  Need to get 579kB/1169kB of archives. After unpacking 2280kB will be used.
  Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
  Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main aptitude 0.2.2-1 [551kB]
  Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libsigc++0 1.0.3-2 [27.3kB] 
 
  Fetched 579kB in 20s (27.8kB/s)   
 
  (Reading database ... 29257 files and directories currently installed.)
  Preparing to replace apt 0.3.19 (using .../archives/apt_0.5.3_i386.deb) ...
  Unpacking replacement apt ...
  dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/state/apt/lists/partial': 
Direct
  ory not empty
  dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/state/apt/lists': Directory 
not 
  empty
  Setting up apt (0.5.3) ...

  Selecting previously deselected package libsigc++0.
  (Reading database ... 29268 files and directories currently installed.)
  Unpacking libsigc++0 (from .../libsigc++0_1.0.3-2_i386.deb) ...
  Selecting previously deselected package aptitude.
  Unpacking aptitude (from .../aptitude_0.2.2-1_i386.deb) ...
  Setting up libsigc++0 (1.0.3-2) ...

  Setting up aptitude (0.2.2-1) ...
  root:~  # 
  root:~  # aptitude 
  root:~  # apt-get -u install docbook-doc
  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  The following NEW packages will be installed:
docbook-doc 
  0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 252  not upgraded.
  Need to get 775kB of archives. After unpacking 4371kB will be used.
  Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main docbook-doc 30d10-5 [775kB]
  Fetched 775kB in 25s (30.3kB/s)   

  debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't modify goto in lvalue subroutine 
return at /usr/share/
  perl5/Debconf/Base.pm line 24, near "}"
  Compilation failed in require at (eval 4) line 3.
  ...propagated at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/base.pm line 18.
  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Iterator.pm 
line 5.
  Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 7.
  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm 
line 7.
  Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 5.
  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 
5.
  Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Log.pm line 8.
  Compilation failed in require at (eval 1) line 4.
  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 4.
  ) -- aborting
  Selecting previously deselected package docbook-doc.
  (Reading database ... 29313 files and directories currently installed.)
  Unpacking docbook-doc (from .../docbook-doc_30d10-5_all.deb) ...
  Setting up docbook-doc (30d10-5) ...

  root:~  # 

Re: Cannot connect to certain web sites

[Jimmy Richards]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:07:16AM -0400, Kyle Girard wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to connect to certain web
> pages while i'm in linux?  I can connect to almost any webpage but
> the following (at this is all i've found so far)
> 
> http://java.sun.com
> http://www.chapters.ca
> http://www.greyhound.ca
> 
> I've tried netscape, galeon, mozilla, opera and nothing works...
> reboot into windows and I can view them fine..., my housemates also
> running linux (redhat) and don't have a problem viewing any of these
> pages.. I've uninstalled reinstalled all of the above browsers,
> tried as different users, moved my .netscape .mozilla etc
> directories out of the way...  it's driving my nuts... I remember
> that I used to be able to view them... a couple of months ago ...
> Can anyone help me out?
> 
> 
> Kyle
> 

Hi There Kyle,

Try to stay sane!  {:-)   The fix is...

echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

Enjoy,

Jim Richards

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Re: xv alternatives

[Joe Bouchard]

Hi,

I don't know if it is quite the same, but I use "display" and "convert"
that comes in the "imagemagick" package.  imagemagick is free as long as
you use the libmagick4g library instead of the libmagick4g-lzw (which
comes from non-free).  I didn't make a concious effort to choose the
free version so it probably is the default.

Disclaimer: I'm a geek, not a lawyer.

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:25:29PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> Since xv is being removed from the distribution, I would like to find a
> new image viewer to use.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find one
> that's as good as Xv.  eeyes seems pretty nice, but I refuse to install
> the necessary GNOME libraries to make it work.  I grabbed the source to
> see if it might be possible to build it without GNOME, but it can't be
> done.
> 
> I've tried xzgv, but that doesn't seem very useful.  It doesn't seem to
> be able to modify images at all, or convert between formats.
> 
> The features I really want are:
> 1. Lots of easy keyboard commands (Tab & Backspace were great in XV)
> 2. Intelligent scaling (I liked the zoom maxspect feature of XV, where
>it would zoom as close as possible to the screensize without changing
>the aspect ratio).
> 3. Simple image manipulation algorithms.  I especially like the "smooth" 
>algorithm, which would attempt to smooth out rought edges that
>resulted from scaling an image.
> 4. Simplicity.  I don't want to have to install CORBA to get an image
>viewer.  I want a nice, simple image viewer.  I use the GIMP, but
>that's much bigger than what I'm asking for here.
> 
> So what do people here like?
> 
> Thanks.
> noah
> 
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Re: Cannot connect to certain web sites

[Kyle Girard]

Sweet, 

echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

fixed my problem but here's another problem  does anyone know how to configure firestarter do 
not reject packets with ECN enabled ?

Kyle

On 07 Jul 2001 14:28:39 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> On 07 Jul 2001 08:07:16 -0400, Kyle Girard wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to connect to certain web
> > pages while i'm in linux?  I can connect to almost any webpage but
> > the following (at this is all i've found so far)
> > 
> > http://java.sun.com
> > http://www.chapters.ca
> > http://www.greyhound.ca
> > 
> > I've tried netscape, galeon, mozilla, opera and nothing works...
> > reboot into windows and I can view them fine..., my housemates also
> > running linux (redhat) and don't have a problem 
> 
> Got any logs? Error messages of browser?
> 2 Possibilities come to mind:
> Configuration problem in firewall or this problem:
> http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s14-2
> 
> Kind regards, M.
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> 
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> 
> 
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Re: how stable is the testing branch?

[Carel Fellinger]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:51:25PM +, joe golden wrote:
> Debian has koffice in the testing branch>>
> this may be the answer to my need for a stable word processor and graphing 
> spreadsheet for our small school network of 10 machines.
> 
> Will the testing branch be so unstable as to crash regularly?  I don't want 
> to look bad and I don't want linux to look bad.

The main thing with testing is that it lacks in securety updates (at
least a two week delay as it has to ripple in from unstable).  So if
you insulate your school network from the internet through a very
resrictive firewall running stable (or FreeBSD:) and the schoolkids
won't try out every new trick to become root, you should be fine
though.

The alternative is to run stable and bring in locally compiled things
from testing.  But if this gets beyond the occasional oddball, things
get messy/troublesome quick.  Some packages need a lot of other debs
from testing, and soon you're lacking securety updates again:(

-- 
groetjes, carel

Re: Package installation error -- What is going on?

[Colin Watson]

"David H . Silber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I recently tried out aptitude, apt-get replaced apt 0.3.19 with apt
>0.5.3.  On the very next install (docbook-doc), I had problems.  I don't
>know if it was a problem with the docbook-doc package or of the new apt
>package.  In the meanwhile, I'm afraid of installing more packages lest
>I compound some problem with the package maintenance system.

I think you should be OK. I'll explain:

>  Preparing to replace apt 0.3.19 (using .../archives/apt_0.5.3_i386.deb) ...
>  Unpacking replacement apt ...
>  dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file
>`/var/state/apt/lists/partial': Directory not empty
>  dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/state/apt/lists':
>Directory not empty
>  Setting up apt (0.5.3) ...

You can safely ignore these, although you might want to clean out the
old /var/state/apt directory. apt should probably have handled this.

>  debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't modify goto in lvalue
>subroutine return at /usr/share/
>  perl5/Debconf/Base.pm line 24, near "}"

I'm guessing that you have a version of debconf earlier than 0.9.57,
plus perl 5.6.1. The lvalue code broke with recent versions of perl;
upgrade to debconf 0.9.57 or greater (testing has 0.9.73, unstable has
0.9.74) and this should be fixed.

Cheers,

-- 
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Re: Keyboard Prob

[Keri]

It looks like SI 3410 KS

As far as the keyboard is concerned, I've never counted the keys,
but for a lark, we ocutned them and I have 107 keys), now my keyboard
is set up using 101 keys. Should I go into mc and edited it?
Don't even know what ones I should include really. It's basically a UK
keyboard
with Sleep and Awake and another extra key.

Keri


> What text is printed on the largest chip on the modem? Post back with that
> and I'll try to look up what kind of controller it is.
>
> Even if that chip is made by Rockwell, it could still be a winmodem, so
> don't just list the manufacturer, include any numbers found there as well.
>
> Other info that may be found on the modem

Re: stable packages without priorities

[Joe Bouchard]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 02:15:24PM +0100, Philip Martin wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On my potato system I see:
> 
> $ apt-cache check
> Bad prio eximon,3.12-10.1 == 0
> Bad prio elvis-tiny,1.4-10 == 0
> Bad prio cfingerd,1.4.1-1.1 == 0
> Bad prio rxvt,1:2.6.2-2.1 == 0
> Bad prio joe,2.8-15.3 == 0
> Bad prio nis,3.8-0.1 == 0
> Bad prio rxvt-ml,1:2.6.2-2.1 == 0
> Bad prio exim,3.12-10.1 == 0
> Bad prio qpopper,2.53-4 == 0
> Bad prio sendfile,2.1-20.3 == 0

I get exactly the same thing, and I doubt your system and mine are hosed
in the exact same way.

I'm not going to worry about it.

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Re: Cannot connect to certain web sites

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 08:53:52 -0400, Kyle Girard wrote:
> here's another problem  does anyone know
> how to configure firestarter do 
> not reject packets with ECN enabled ?

Sorry, I don't use it
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Re: Cannot connect to certain web sites

[dude]

>
> Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to connect to certain web
> pages while i'm in linux?  I can connect to almost any webpage but
> the following (at this is all i've found so far)
>

Do these pages require Jave?
Require ssl?

Re: fetchmail at boot

[Brian Nelson]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 10:56:43AM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:59:06 -0500
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > currently I have fetchmail being run at login from ~/.bash_profile.
> > this is fine for myself at login, however, I would like to have
> > fetchmail run as a daemon at boot time so it can poll for multiple
> > users. Where should I have fetchmail loaded from to do this?
> 
> This is exactly what I do.
> 
> Fetchmail needs to run as root so you need a .fetchmailrc in /root like
> this:
> 
> set daemon 600
> poll pop.xxx.xxx
> protocol pop3
> username [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> password xxx
> poll pop.x.x
> protocol pop3
> username scgf01 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> password xxx
> poll pop.xx.xx
> protocol pop3
> username scgf02 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> password xxx
> 
> As you can see, I poll three mailboxes. The daemon 600 ensures that
> fetchmail runs as a daemon and polls the mailboxes at intervals of 10
> minutes. I have a cable connection to the internet so this works well.
> 
> All you need to do is start fetchmail during bootup:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> # /etc/init.d/fetchmail
> # Hacked by Ross Boylan from the exim script which was...
> #
> # Written by Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> # Modified for Debian GNU/Linux by Ian Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> # Modified for exim by Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> # To start fetchmail as a system service, copy this file to
> # /etc/init.d/fetchmail and run "update-rc.d fetchmail
> # defaults".  A fetchmailrc file containg hosts and
> # passwords for all local users should be placed in /root
> # and should contain a line of the form "set daemon ".
> #
> # To remove the service, delete /etc/init.d/fetchmail and run
> # "update-rc.d fetchmail remove".
> 
> set -e
> 
> 
> DAEMON=/usr/bin/fetchmail
> ARGS="--fetchmailrc /root/.fetchmailrc"
> DEBUGLOG=/var/log/fetchmail.log
> NAME=fetchmail
> 
> echo `whoami` `date` >> $DEBUGLOG
> # This was not my only test of uid.  I created a shell script and
> # ran it from start-stop-deamon. The script printed whoami as root.
> 
> test -x $DAEMON || exit 0 
> 
> case "$1" in
>   start)
> echo -n "Starting fetchmail: "
> start-stop-daemon --start -v --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS >> $DEBUGLOG
> # Note the use of -- before args to the program
> echo "Done."
> ;;
>   stop)
> echo -n "Stopping fetchmail: "
> start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --exec $DAEMON
> echo "Done."
>   ;;
>   restart|reload|force-reload)
> echo "Restarting fetchmail: "
> start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --exec $DAEMON
> start-stop-daemon --start -v --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS >> $DEBUGLOG
> echo "Done."
> ;;
>   *)
> echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/$NAME {start|stop|restart}"
> exit 1
> ;;
> esac
> 
> exit 0
> 
> 
> I also have a .forward file in my home directory which sorts mail for
> other users:
> 
> # Exim filter  <<== do not edit or remove this line!
> 
> if error_message then finish endif
> logfile $home/eximfilter.log
> 
>   if $h_To: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
>   then deliver scott
> 
>   elif $h_To: contains "sah1"
>   then deliver scott
> 
>   endif
> 
> 'scott; is obviously a user on my system. Not sure why I have this file in
> *my* home directory, but it works so I just leave it there. I assume it
> works because in my .fetchmailrc I am telling fetchmail to send all mail
> initially to me as gsmh, therefore mail becomes my property before exim
> takes over to filter it.
> 
> All credit to those who originally supplied me with this info.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 

This is all fine and good, but on my system, the /etc/init.d/fetchmail
script was set up by default to check for the presence of a
/etc/fetchmailrc file, and if it exists, would start up a system-wide
fetchmail daemon.  So instead of putting that stuff in
/root/.fetchmailrc, put it in /etc/fetchmailrc and the rest should
happen automatically...

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References to the mailing list archives

[Pedro Zorzenon Neto]

Please CC copies of replies to me as I'm not a subscriber of debian-user.

Hi,

   I'd like to make references in some changelog to a message in debian mailing 
list archives.

   In the header of the message I have:
   
X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/91560

   Can I put this as reference?
   How can I get the message in the archive with this reference?

   Will this reference change when some "list-rotate" occours (monthly archive, 
as example)?

   Is this the best way of putting references to debian mail lists?

  Thanks
  Pedro

Re: shutdown as user

[Joe Bouchard]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:31:21PM +0200, Timeboy wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?

There are different ways...

One way is to use "sudo".  Some people like it, others are scared of
it.  Read the acrhives and you decide for yourself.  Refer to the
current thread about shared root.

Here is another way... edit /etc/inittab.  There is a line:
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now
change it to:
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -h now

Then if you walk up to the console an hit CONTROL-ALT-DELETE it will
shutdown (if X isn't running).  Not elegant, but it works, and doesn't
introduce any new security issues.


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Re: shutdown as user

[Jimmy Richards]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:31:21PM +0200, Timeboy wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?
> 
> Timo
> 

Hello Timo,

I do it like this...


su root halt


HTH,

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Re: fetchmail at boot

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

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Re: References to the mailing list archives

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 07 Jul 2001, Pedro Zorzenon Neto wrote:
>I'd like to make references in some changelog to a message in debian 
> mailing list archives.
[...]
>Can I put this as reference?
>How can I get the message in the archive with this reference?

Go to http://lists.debian.org,  find the message there, use the URL to the
message instead of the X-archive header.

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: xv alternatives

[Rick Pasotto]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 08:09:52PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> I like xloadimage (xview), although xv is certainly nice.

I tried that and didn't like it. For a series of pictures it destroys
and creates the window for each one instead of just resizing the window.
All that flashing is very annoying. Plus the fact that you have to give
an option to tell it to shutup about what it's doing.

-- 
Once an abuse exists, everything is arranged on the assumption
that it will last indefinitely; and, as more and more people come
to depend upon it for their livelihood, and still others depend
upon them, a superstructure is erected that soon comprises a
formidable edifice.
The moment you try to tear it down, everybody protests; and the
point to which I wish to call particular attention here is that
those who protest always appear at first glance to be in the
right, because it is easier to show the disorder that must
accompany reform than the order that should follow it.
-- Fr?d?ric Bastiat (1801-1850)
Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net

SNNS and Debian

[Bud Rogers]

Anyone have SNNS working with Debian?  I can't get it to compile.

First I had to manually define MAXFLOAT, which I think should have been 
defined in /usr/include/math.h.Then it fails with the following error.  

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/budr/src/snns-4.2/xgui/sources'
gcc  -I../.. -I../../kernel/sources -I../../xgui/iconsXgui 
-I/usr/X11R6/include
  -g -O  -c ui_confirmer.c
In file included from /usr/include/string.h:360,
 from /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:61,
 from ui.h:30,
 from ui_confirmer.c:23:
/usr/include/bits/string2.h: In function `__strcpy_small':
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:404: warning: empty declaration
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:422: parse error before `='
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:425: parse error before `='
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:430: parse error before `='
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:435: parse error before `='
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:442: parse error before `='
/usr/include/bits/string2.h:444: parse error before `='
make[1]: *** [ui_confirmer.o] Error 1

I suspect if I find a kludge for this one something else will fail with an 
error pointing back to /usr/include.  I have similar problems with billnet, 
another neural net package.  It all makes me wonder if I'm missing a package 
that would have all the right defines for this type of application.


-- 
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All things in moderation.  And not too much moderation either.

Re: [users] SNNS and Debian

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Bud Rogers (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:18:32AM -0500):
> Anyone have SNNS working with Debian?  I can't get it to compile.
> 
> First I had to manually define MAXFLOAT, which I think should have been 
> defined in /usr/include/math.h.Then it fails with the following error.  
> 
> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/budr/src/snns-4.2/xgui/sources'
> gcc  -I../.. -I../../kernel/sources -I../../xgui/iconsXgui 
> -I/usr/X11R6/include
>   -g -O  -c ui_confirmer.c
> In file included from /usr/include/string.h:360,
>  from /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:61,
>  from ui.h:30,
>  from ui_confirmer.c:23:
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h: In function `__strcpy_small':
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:404: warning: empty declaration
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:422: parse error before `='
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:425: parse error before `='
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:430: parse error before `='
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:435: parse error before `='
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:442: parse error before `='
> /usr/include/bits/string2.h:444: parse error before `='
> make[1]: *** [ui_confirmer.o] Error 1
> 
> I suspect if I find a kludge for this one something else will fail with an 
> error pointing back to /usr/include.  I have similar problems with billnet, 
> another neural net package.  It all makes me wonder if I'm missing a package 
> that would have all the right defines for this type of application.

have a look at the SNNS page - specifically at the bugs and bugfixes.
this is a common problem, which has nothing to do with debian!

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Re: Security manager (mozilla M18), trying to run as normal user

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:10:23PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> I installed security manager for mozilla (Mozilla M18 under Potato, 
> normal direct modem connection-no proxies) a few days ago and am still 
> trying to run it as normal user. I have no problems running it as root, 
> but when I try requesting secure connection as normal user, connection 
> gets refused. Any workarounds? Can it be run as normal user at all?

Get a new version of Mozilla.  M18 is *really* old at this point (not
necessarily in terms of age, but in terms of the development lifecycle).
0.9.2 is available now and includes a graphical installer.  Just install
mozilla to something like /usr/local/mozilla and it will be left alone
by the Debian packaging system.

I've been using Mozilla as my primary browser for close to a year at
this point, and with the current 0.9.x releases it absolutely blows
Netscape 4 away in terms of performance, stability, and features.

noah

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Re: xv alternatives

[Carl Fink]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:44:24AM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote:

> Plus the fact that you have to give an option to tell it to shutup about
> what it's doing.

That doesn't bother me, but "alias" is your friend.
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Re: networking windows and linux

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:49:40AM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote:
> And let's not forget, "How to get your ass fired
> real quick when the suits *DO* notice."

Please cite an actual occurrence of this.

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Re: Security manager (mozilla M18), trying to run as normal user

[Carl Fink]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 10:35:14AM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
 
> I've been using Mozilla as my primary browser for close to a year at
> this point, and with the current 0.9.x releases it absolutely blows
> Netscape 4 away in terms of performance, stability, and features.

Really?  I find it about 1/3 as fast.  I do use it sometimes, mainly because
of that "stability" thing, but what do you mean by "performance"?

And is there any way to get Mozilla to stop offering me an unwanted
"Netscape Search" pane when I type a URL into the address bar?  Even with
"smart" URLs turned off, it still slows typing down so much it's very
irritating.
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Re: Security manager (mozilla M18), trying to run as normal user

[Craig Dickson]

And speaking of Mozilla, how does one change the style or size of the
font that it uses for drawing menus, dialog box text, etc.?

I've heard there is a GTK version of Mozilla, but the mozilla-browser
package in unstable doesn't seem to be it. At least, it certainly pays
no attention whatsoever to my current GTK theme.

tia,

Craig

Re: [users] SNNS and Debian

[Bud Rogers]

On Saturday 07 July 2001 09:22 am, Martin F. Krafft wrote:
> also sprach Bud Rogers (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:18:32AM -0500):
> > Anyone have SNNS working with Debian?  I can't get it to compile.

> have a look at the SNNS page - specifically at the bugs and bugfixes.
> this is a common problem, which has nothing to do with debian!

Can't believe I overlooked that.  Thanks.

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Re: X with dvorak

[joeytsai]

> I have the dvorak keymap loaded for myy everyday use in consoles, but 
> after upgrading to X-4 it insists on using a qwerty layout.  How do I
> set up X to use the dvorak keyboard layout?
> 
Put this in your .xinitrc:

setxkbmap dvorak

// joey tsai

Re: Security manager (mozilla M18), trying to run as normal user

[Michael B. Taylor]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:17:36AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> And is there any way to get Mozilla to stop offering me an unwanted
> "Netscape Search" pane when I type a URL into the address bar?  Even with
> "smart" URLs turned off, it still slows typing down so much it's very
> irritating.
> 
Yes.  Use Galeon.  As I am sure that most people know, Galeon is a front
end to Mozilla.  It seems to me that the Galeon user interface was 
designed with the needs and wants of the users at the forefront, as
opposed to some other browser user interfaces that put the desires of the
content creators (in particular, the ones that want to sell you something)
at the top.

My favorite galeon feature is the one that allows you to select when 
anamations are displayed.  I select "never".

I have been using the debanized galeon and underlying mozilla from sid as my
browser at home for a couple of weeks now.  If this build isnt in woody by
now, I expect it will be soon.  Stability-wise, I put it on par with 
Netscape 4, and well above any previous Mozilla release that I tried.

Mike

postfix install: /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument (???)

[Christopher M. Jones]

When attempting to install postfix I get the following error:

postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
dpkg: error processing postfix (--install): 
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 postfix

The error occurs with postfix version 0.0.19991231pl11-1.

I thought that perhaps it has something to do with libdb-- I have both libdb2 
and libdb3 installed (???)

I recently asked apt to upgrade to libc6 2.2.3-6, and along with it libdb 
upgraded to 2:2.7.7-4. I don't know if that is relevant.

Is this a known issue? What is the problem likely to be, and how should I go 
about getting it fixed?

modem diagnostic?

[burningclown]

Hi,

I'm wondering if there is a way to perform a hardware check on my internal
modem under Debian.

I first started having trouble with it when I was still running Windoze,
but suspected it was a crummy cable. Right arond the time I installed
Debian I got DSL, so didn't install any dialup capabilities. Now I've
moved and won't have DSL for at least a few weeks, and can't seem to
connect out.

I've installed ppp and pppconfig from my potato CDs, and was following
instructions I found in -Running Linux-, 3rd ed., but the best I got was
this message:

"The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find
any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the
available passwords would let it use an IP address)."

... one source of confusion for me is that I have yet to hear a dial tone!
That is why I am looking for a simple way to test my modem, if there is
one.

Thanks in advance for any hints.

Glenn Becker

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Re: [users] Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[D-Man]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 12:20:54AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
| 
| I believe that any attempt to assign standardized meanings to
| runlevels falls into this category:  It makes it easier to setup a
| system that does normal things in a normal configuration and easier
| for third parties to set up software for installation on these normal
| systems.  But not all systems are normal and I don't think that any
| standard should be written which makes those systems non-compliant by
| default.  

Normal?  What's a "normal" system?  

-D

SSH

[Nick Furman]

I have a quick question regarding the secure server package and scp.

I prefer not to use NIS to share the password file between two servers so
I wrote a script to push /etc/passwd to another server so they both have
duplicate copies when a user is added onto our system.

Of course I am using scp to move the file over, but everytime a user is
added, it asks for the root user's password on the remote server.  Is
there a way using .rhosts to disable the remote server from asking me for
a password so it just pushes /etc/passwd over, no questions asked?

Thanks!

Nick

Re: modem diagnostic?

[D-Man]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:09:03AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| Hi,
| 
| I'm wondering if there is a way to perform a hardware check on my internal
| modem under Debian.
| 
| I first started having trouble with it when I was still running Windoze,
| but suspected it was a crummy cable. Right arond the time I installed
| Debian I got DSL, so didn't install any dialup capabilities. Now I've
| moved and won't have DSL for at least a few weeks, and can't seem to
| connect out.
| 
| I've installed ppp and pppconfig from my potato CDs, and was following
| instructions I found in -Running Linux-, 3rd ed., but the best I got was
| this message:
| 
| "The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find
| any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the
| available passwords would let it use an IP address)."

If you got something from the remote system, I think the modem works.

| ... one source of confusion for me is that I have yet to hear a dial tone!

I think that is usually a good thing -- I find it annoying the way
windows default to max volume on the speaker.  The modem's speaker
volume can be set with "ATM0" (off) or "ATM1" (probably other integer
values are allowed too).  BTW those are strings sent to the modem,
usually by a program such as chat.

| That is why I am looking for a simple way to test my modem, if there is
| one.

Try minicom.  It is an interactive comm program that you can use to
communicate with the modem and try it out.  It is also really good to
use for determining what sort of "expect-send" pairs to use when
configuring chat to work with your ISP.

HTH,
-D

Re: shutdown as user

[D-Man]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:31:21PM +0200, Timeboy wrote:
| 
| Hi!
| 
| What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?

I use sudo from the console.  I usually have gdm running now and by
changinge the line

SystemMenu=0
to
SystemMenu=1
in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (as the comment above it says) will add a menu
titled "System" to the gdm screen.  That menu will have "Reboot" and
"Halt" as options so that anyone on the console can shutdown (or
reboot) without logging in first.

HTH,
-D

Re: Swapping /usr and /

[Dave Carrigan]

Andrew Overholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> After install potato on my laptop, I realize that I would like to swap the
> partitions for /usr and / .. any idea how I can do this safely?  I managed
> to swap /home and /usr with little hassle but I'm kinda more concerned
> about / and /usr.

If / can fit completely on /usr (or vice-versa), then this is easy.

1. Go to single user mode

2. Move everything currently in /usr to 1 lower directory:

   cd /usr; mkdir usr; mv * usr

3. Copy / to /usr:

   cd /; find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pvdm0 /usr

4. At this point, the / partition is redundant, and the old /usr
   partition has everything. Update lilo and fstab to reflect
   this. In fstab, remove the entry for /, and rename the entry for /usr
   to /. In lilo.conf, change the boot partition.

   vi /usr/etc/lilo.conf
   vi /usr/etc/fstab
   chroot /usr lilo -v

5. Reboot, and now / has become the old /usr partition. At this point,
   you can make a new filesystem on the old / partition, mount it, and
   copy /usr from the new partition to the old. Go back to single user
   mode and:

   mke2fs /dev/hdFOO
   mount /dev/hdFOO /mnt
   cd /usr
   find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pdvm0 /mnt
   mv /usr /usr.dontuse
   mkdir /usr
   vi /etc/fstab

6. Reboot once more, and if everything looks good, rm -rf /usr.dontuse.

MAKE SURE YOU SAVE EVERYTHING IN /etc /var AND /usr/local BEFORE DOING
THIS. ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A WORKING RESCUE DISK.

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Re: modem diagnostic?

[John Hasler]

Glenn Becker writes:
> I've installed ppp and pppconfig from my potato CDs,...

Actually, you already had them installed.

> ...and was following instructions I found in -Running Linux-,...

A mistake.

> "The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find
> any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the
> available passwords would let it use an IP address)."

Do you have a defaultroute pointing to the NIC you use for DSL?  In any
case, undo whatever -Running Linux- told you to do (simplest way is to
purge and reinstall ppp).  Then run pppconfig as root, follow instructions,
and try to connect with pon.  If you have trouble, run plog and post the
output.
-- 
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin

Re: [users] SSH

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Nick Furman (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:11:29PM -0400):
> I prefer not to use NIS to share the password file between two servers so
> I wrote a script to push /etc/passwd to another server so they both have
> duplicate copies when a user is added onto our system.
> 
> Of course I am using scp to move the file over, but everytime a user is
> added, it asks for the root user's password on the remote server.  Is
> there a way using .rhosts to disable the remote server from asking me for
> a password so it just pushes /etc/passwd over, no questions asked?

have a look into the manpages for ssh-keygen, ssh-agent, and ssh-add.
what you are looking for is RSA authentication.

and two things: you have to push /etc/shadow (and /etc/group) over
too.

and you *should not* ssh into a root account. you should rather scp
the files over as a normal, trusted user, and then call sudo to
install the files -- you can do that over ssh too.

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Re: [users] Re: shutdown as user

[Martin F. Krafft]

> | What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?

install appropriate entries into /etc/sudoers (assuming that 'sudo'
is installed:

User_Alias  SHUTDOWNERS = 

Cmnd_Alias  SHUTDOWN = /sbin/shutdown /sbin/halt /sbin/reboot

SHUTDOWNERS ALL = NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN

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Re: Birth of KDE

[Joris Lambrecht]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 06:02:19AM +0800, csj wrote:
> On Friday 06 July 2001 02:30, Lambrecht Joris wrote:
> > While digging thru a google queryresult on Mailclients i stumbled
> > across this archived mail . . . the birth of KDE ? It's pretty old
> > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:19:00 +0100 (MET)
> >
> > http://www.via.ecp.fr/lyx/archive/9610/msg00368.html
> >
> > Anyway, thought it was kinda cool.
> >
> > Forgive me, i'm getting much to sentimental right now.
> 
> Hmm, assuming the authenticity of the mail: it just confirms my 
> theories about the origin of the KDE/Gnome schism. The mail, a post 

Why wouldn't it be, can't imagine someone forging some mail an stuff it 
into some OLD archive.

> to the lyx list, was from Matthias Ettrich, from an email address 
> that's as German (and hence European) as you could get 
> (informatik.uni-tuebingen.de). The poster didn't dwell on the 
> "free-ness" of qt. He just wanted to create a really "Kool" desktop 
> environment. Which is understandable from a non-American perspective. 
> The initial Gnome reaction is also understandable. Cosmopolitan 
> America is an inherently litigious village, and so using the qt 

Sad, but all America has is a Cosmopolitan Genepool. Then again, i'm 
nowhere near America.

> library might have been more than a simple matter of scruples. Better 
> safe than sued.
>

QT was allready somewhat famous on it's own, was used by some rather 
popular software hence the choice probably.
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Re: shutdown as user

[Timeboy]

On 07 Jul 2001 14:34:34 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:

> ** On 07 Jul 2001 14:31:21 +, Timeboy wrote:
> ** > 
> ** > Hi!
> ** > 
> ** > What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?
> ** 
> ** From Gnome or from console? 

Conslole! Or: A shell script, that i can run without root permission.

Re: Package installation error -- What is going on?

[Timeboy]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:37:08 -0400, David H . Silber wrote:

> **When I recently tried out aptitude, apt-get replaced apt 0.3.19 with apt
> ** 0.5.3.  On the very next install (docbook-doc), I had problems.  I don't
> ** know if it was a problem with the docbook-doc package or of the new apt
> ** package.  In the meanwhile, I'm afraid of installing more packages lest
> ** I compound some problem with the package maintenance system.
> ** 
> ** I'm using unstable, as somewhere alone the line I needed something that
> ** was unavailable in stable or testing.

I use some packages of unstable too and had the same errors with any
packages, installed after the update of apt. And i updated debconf too.

Cause some packages was unusable for me, i downgraded some packages, apt
too, to testing. And i had no problems with apt. Perl is 5.005 and all
works fine. I think that the unstable apt have a bug.

I suggest you to use only this packages of unstable, they are not available
under testing or potato. And those packages of unstable that other unstable
packages depends on. Otherwise you should not use the newest versions.

I have most packages from potato, much from testing und 5 till 10 packages
from unstable. This System works fine and is anought stable for me. No
systemcrash and no tool hangs, after a little bit of work in the configuration 
files.

Timo

Again: shutdown as user

[Timeboy]

On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 14:31:21 +0200, i wrote:

> **
> ** Hi!
> ** 
> ** What can i do to use shutdown as normal user?
> ** 
> ** Timo
> ** 

Now i write:

how can i use the command shutdown -h now as user. Like to use it in a
shell script. No #su, password, etc. please!

Timo

Re: Gnome1.4 question! OOOPS!!

[Timeboy]

On 07 Jul 2001 14:37:31 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:

> **On 07 Jul 2001 14:26:51 +, Timeboy wrote:
> ** > 
> ** > On 07 Jul 2001 13:32:02 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> ** > > ** man save-session
> ** > 
> ** > Thanx! save-session was a help for me!
> ** > 
> ** > This saves my session
> ** > But how can i logout, to start something like kde?
> ** 
> ** Hm, I meant you shoud /read/ the save-session manpage:
> ** 
> ** "SYNOPSIS
> **save-session [--kill] [--gui]

Sorry!

My mistake! I read this manpage. But i was very tidy at this moment and my
mother language is german. I think i had a heavy blackout. Cause my english
is not very bad.

Hmmm...? Crazy! Now i know about this tool to logout of gnome!

Tanx and greets,

Timo

Re: Again: shutdown as user

[der.hans]

Am 07. Jul, 2001 schwäzte Timeboy so:

> how can i use the command shutdown -h now as user. Like to use it in a
> shell script. No #su, password, etc. please!

Set it up in sudo using the NOPASSWD option. I have that on my laptop. I
then stuck it in a script ( alias would work as well ). Now as a normal user
I hit 5 keys and wait a few seconds for it to shutdown.

ciao,

der.hans
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TTF fonts

[Martin F. Krafft]

unfortunately, i *have* to use a font made available to me in TTF
(windoze) format. is there a way to convert it to a postscript or
type-1 font?

or, i guess, how could i use ttf fonts in my X installation (easily)?

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Re: TTF fonts

[ray p]

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Font-HOWTO.html

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_single/FDU.html

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_single/TT-Debian.html

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_single/TT-XFree86.html

And if you are on sid and run the KDE stuff apt-get install anti-aliasing-howto
also you might find this link useful. 
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttmkfdir.html

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:22:48PM +0200, Martin F. Krafft wrote:
> unfortunately, i *have* to use a font made available to me in TTF
> (windoze) format. is there a way to convert it to a postscript or
> type-1 font?
> 
> or, i guess, how could i use ttf fonts in my X installation (easily)?
> 
> martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
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> -- 
> i have the power to channel my imagination
> into ever-soaring levels of suspicion and paranoia.



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Getting dselect and apt-* to work from a local file system

[Tommy McDaniel]

I have been trying to get package management going since I installed Debian 
a couple of weeks ago, but have had great difficulties. I am unable to 
connect to the Internet from my Linux partition, so I decided to set up 
apt-setup to use a file system and get everything set up so that I would 
only have to download packages onto my Windows partition and transfer them 
to the appropriate place in Linux and be able to install them. Since using a 
local file%20system isn't the most documented topic in the Debian world, I 
had to learn the hard way to create /dists/stable/***/binary-i386 
directories with the same Package files in them that are on the online 
mirrors, where *** is main, contrib, and non-free. I also transferred the 
Release files for each of those directories and for /dists/stable in order 
to get some "Ign file:" messages to disappear. After all that, I have 
reached a problem that I have no clue regarding the solution to. When I run 
dselect, the first option goes fine, but when it comes time for the second 
option, Update, I get the following:


Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Merging Available Information
Replacing available packages info, using /var/cache/apt/available.
dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/cache/apt/available' near line 600 package 
'navigator':

  duplicate value for user-defined field 'meta-package'

update available list script returned error exit status 2.
Press  to continue.

What in the world does that mean? Whatever it is, I am not generating that 
file to start with, dselect/apt-get is, so I don't know what's going on. 
I've tried just about everything to try to find out what this means, 
including but not limited to looking through most of the documentation on 
the Debian site multiple times, searching the web with Google and ProFusion, 
looking at the source code for dpkg, writing my own little program to find 
every occurrence of lines that start with "meta-package" in the entire file 
(which still doesn't quite report line numbers correctly, but that's another 
matter), searched through the Debian mailing list archives many, many times, 
and probably a bunch of other stuff but apparently I'm the first person in 
world history to experience this, judging by how I haven't even been able to 
find a single mention anything that relates to this. Can anyone help me? I 
want to use dselect, not dpkg directly or anything else. After spending 
weeks trying to get this one aspect of the system to work properly I'm about 
out of nerves. If no one on this list is able to help I will most likely 
just use a different distribution, since I really have no clue what it's 
problem with the meta-package tag is. I'm not changing the file around, it's 
just whining about it's own file. Any help will be most deeply appreciated. 
I really, really want to remain with Debian, but if I can't get it to work I 
don't really have much of an option.


   Tommy McDaniel
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Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation

[Joey Hess]

D-Man wrote:
> I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent)
> because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or
> computers in general) work.

OTOH, we've had debian developers who joined while in middle school
(though I think all of them are in high school or higher now). And if
you'd told me I didn't understand computers when I was in middle school,
I'd have begged to differ. (I was doing farily low-level programming
that required a basic understanding of the fundamentals of computers in
6th grade, and programmed my first BASIC and LOGO in 3rd-4th grade..)

To get back to the original question, it's possible to build dbootstrap
in a special mode that lets it be run on an already installed system.
If built in this mode it can be run in an xterm and screenshots taken.
Just be careful and don't format any disks or anything. :-) Grab the
boot-floppies source and hunt around for details. Or use vmware or
something like that..

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/var being eaten

[Kevin]

something seems to be eating up space in /var.  however i don't see
anything taking up that much space.  what could be taking space that
wouldnt get counted in du, or be shown with find /var -pring |xargs ls
-l?  Thanks.
-- 
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/dev/sda5 182M  164M  9.3M  95% /var

ÓÄ(~)> du -sh /var
28M /var

creating a local mirror

[Martin F. Krafft]

we are using a local debian mirror for several reasons. we let rsync
run on one of the official servers once a week over the weekend, and
still have security.debian.org in the sources.list files on all
workstations. however, due to the nature of rsync, whenever packages
on the server are updated, they are first removed locally (i have to
use the --delete option since we only have a 40Gb drive for the
mirror), before everything is rsync'd. usually this works quite well,
but there are times when the connection is so bad that on monday
morning not all packages have been rsync'd so that Packages.gz says
they are there, but they aren't quite yet.

apt-proxy is not an option, apt-move doesn't help either since it
doesn't ensure all packages to be there - and since we do a lot of
testing with random packages, we need to have access to all packages
at all times.

any ideas on how to improve this?

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Re: /var being eaten

[glynis]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 12:04:58PM -0700, Kevin wrote:
> something seems to be eating up space in /var.  however i don't see
> anything taking up that much space.  what could be taking space that
> wouldnt get counted in du, or be shown with find /var -pring |xargs ls
> -l?  Thanks.

i've had programs hold files open after they've been rotated or
deleted, which makes it really difficult to find.  you could try
restarting syslogd, apache, etc...anything that drops log files into
/var.  the space won't be reclaimed until the process closes the file
handle.

does anyone know a way to find what's doing it?

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Re: Gnome1.4 question! OOOPS!!

[Mario Vukelic]

On 07 Jul 2001 19:18:10 +, Timeboy wrote:

> My mistake! I read this manpage. But i was very tidy at this moment and my
> mother language is german. I think i had a heavy blackout. Cause my english
> is not very bad.

:o)=)
Happens. Wia kennan a deitsch redn :)

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Re: /var being eaten

[Christian Jaeger]

At 21:19 Uhr +0200 7.7.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

does anyone know a way to find what's doing it?


man lsof :-)

chj

Re: /var being eaten

[Kevin]

ok now im completely out of space 

i rebooted and nothing was freed up

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-Original Message-
From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:04:58 -0700
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: /var being eaten

something seems to be eating up space in /var.  however i don't see
anything taking up that much space.  what could be taking space that
wouldnt get counted in du, or be shown with find /var -pring |xargs ls
-l?  Thanks.
-- 
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ÓÄ(~)> du -sh /var
28M /var




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Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Kevin (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:52:23PM -0700):
> ok now im completely out of space 
> i rebooted and nothing was freed up

but can you write to /var, or is it only the df output which reports
100% usage?

which debian?
which kernel?
which e2fs?

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aptitude: why there are so many packages on hold?

[Erik Steffl]

  since certain time (few months) aptitude puts a huge number of
packages on hold - this time it's about 100. I can still hit '+' and
they are installed without any problems - there are no conflicts (most
of them, some packages are on hold for a reason).

  why is it happening?

  TIA

erik

Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Kevin]

cant write to it.  ive moved /var/lib and /var/ache to a different
partition and symlinked them.  so i have about 8 meg free again.  

using woody/2.4.5 and erm whatever rev setup makes it if you say you
dont want 2.0 compat.

-Original Message-
From: "Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:02:08 +0200
To: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

also sprach Kevin (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:52:23PM -0700):
> ok now im completely out of space 
> i rebooted and nothing was freed up

but can you write to /var, or is it only the df output which reports
100% usage?

which debian?
which kernel?
which e2fs?

martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
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why are packages deleted?

[Erik Steffl]

  I just ran aptitude and it wants to remove package:

id libical 
4:2.1-20014:2.1-2001

  is there any way to find the reason why this package is removed? There
are some new packages installed but I don't see any that would replace
libical (implementation of iCAL - calendar protocols)

  TIA

erik

Re: creating a local mirror

[Michael B. Taylor]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:06:51PM +0200, Martin F. Krafft wrote:
> we are using a local debian mirror for several reasons. we let rsync
> run on one of the official servers once a week over the weekend, and
> still have security.debian.org in the sources.list files on all
> workstations. however, due to the nature of rsync, whenever packages
> on the server are updated, they are first removed locally (i have to
> use the --delete option since we only have a 40Gb drive for the
> mirror), before everything is rsync'd. usually this works quite well,
> but there are times when the connection is so bad that on monday
> morning not all packages have been rsync'd so that Packages.gz says
> they are there, but they aren't quite yet.
> 
> apt-proxy is not an option, apt-move doesn't help either since it
> doesn't ensure all packages to be there - and since we do a lot of
> testing with random packages, we need to have access to all packages
> at all times.
> 
> any ideas on how to improve this?
> 

Perhaps http would be a more dependable protocol.  I have found, as I am
sure others have, that http is better at cutting through net congestion
than ftp, for the purpose of fetching debs from busy servers.  I dont have
experience to back  it up, but I would speculate that http would work 
better than rsync too.

You could use wget.  I think there are switches that you could use to 
avoid fetching package files that you already have.  
It should be fairly easy to come up with a script to remove old packages.

Mike
script to remove old packages.

Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Kevin (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 01:10:47PM -0700):
> cant write to it.  ive moved /var/lib and /var/ache to a different
> partition and symlinked them.  so i have about 8 meg free again.  
> 
> using woody/2.4.5 and erm whatever rev setup makes it if you say you
> dont want 2.0 compat.

did you run du -sh as root? what's the output if you run it as root?
and how big is your partition again?

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Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Kevin]

its a 200 meg partition.  i ran du -sh as root.


-Original Message-
From: "Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:25:36 +0200
To: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

also sprach Kevin (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 01:10:47PM -0700):
> cant write to it.  ive moved /var/lib and /var/ache to a different
> partition and symlinked them.  so i have about 8 meg free again.  
> 
> using woody/2.4.5 and erm whatever rev setup makes it if you say you
> dont want 2.0 compat.

did you run du -sh as root? what's the output if you run it as root?
and how big is your partition again?

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will answer. 

Re: How do I clear out a list

[Joost Kooij]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 02:32:23PM -0400, Brian Schramm wrote:
> I did a apt-get update.  Acually I followed the instructions on
> www.progeny.com web site.  For your instructions, would that install them
> or remove them?  

It should reinstall all packages with a ximian version, replacing
them with debian versions (or whatever you put in sources.list).

> > > My problem is that the ximian files are still listed in my dselect list
> > > even though I have taken the site out of my sources.list file.  How do I
> > > get rid of them so I can install the ones from progeny and debian sites?
> > 
> > Have you run update from dselect?  If so, then they are probably still
> > listed in dselect, because the packages from ximian are still installed
> > on your system.  The versions of these packages in the debian archive
> > are lower I guess, so they are not upgraded.
> > 
> > You can try typing this into a root shell:

 dselect update

> >  for pkg in $( COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*" | awk '/^ii.*ximian/ {print $2}' )
> >  do
> >apt-get --reinstall install $pkg
> >  done
> > 
> > Try:
> > 
> >  COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*" | grep ximian
> >  
> > to see if that fixed it.
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > 
> > Joost
> > 
> 

Re: TTF fonts

[Martin F. Krafft]

cool, i followed ray's advice, and now i seem to be able to translate
fonts. so i placed them into ~/lib/fonts:

  fishbowl:~/lib/fonts> ls -l
  total 32
  -rw---1 madduck  users   13264 Jul  7 22:05 internal.afm
  -rw---1 madduck  users2356 Jul  7 22:05 internal.enc
  -rw---1 madduck  users9058 Jul  7 22:05 internal.pfb


now, i am supposed to add them to the font path and rehash, but:

  fishbowl:~/lib/fonts> xset +fp ~/lib/fonts/
  X Error of failed request:  86
  Major opcode of failed request:  51 (X_SetFontPath)
  Serial number of failed request:  9
  Current serial number in output stream:  11


any clues?

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Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation

[D-Man]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:59:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
| D-Man wrote:
| > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent)
| > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or
| > computers in general) work.
| 
| OTOH, we've had debian developers who joined while in middle school

That's cool!

| (though I think all of them are in high school or higher now). And if
| you'd told me I didn't understand computers when I was in middle school,
| I'd have begged to differ. (I was doing farily low-level programming
| that required a basic understanding of the fundamentals of computers in
| 6th grade, and programmed my first BASIC and LOGO in 3rd-4th grade..)

I haven't had the fortune to meet any of you/those middle schoolers,
nor have I found any locally, yet.  It is still really young to
understand that sort of thing, though obviously not impossible nor
non-existant :-).

-D

Not Debian related. wvdial

[Wayne]

Hi,
I'm having a-heck-of-time trying to get my modem
to work on a new install of redhat 7.1. I did write to
redhat with my problem, but I have not received any
answers yet. I also tried to sign-on to wvdial  sig.
Again ,I have not gotten any responds. Can anyone
tell me how to get a message to the wvdial sig
group?
Thanks.
Wayne

P.S. I will be going to Debian soon!!

Re: [users] Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[hzi]

> Apt-get, while developed for Debian, is already used on several
> RPM-based distributions (Conectiva, Mandrake) as well, so it is not
> really a packaging format issue. ... although I miss it every single
> second when maintaining any Red Hat server at work...

apt-get doesn't function well on these distributions. They're having 
problems...If you read lists that are non-Debian you know that (you can 
hear them sobbing...) And Alfredo Kojima, the Conectiva guy who ported 
apt (and coded Window Maker, by the way) said it was an extraordinarily 
difficult task.

Anyhow, I think it's great the other distros actually imitated us!



> The point I'm trying to make is, that while dpkg is in itself a viable
> and good package format (which I personally DO prefer over rpm), some
> conformance is good. As it is now, Debian is in danger of getting
> isolated, especially in commercial environments.

>>since when did we give a damn about commercial environments?


Right on! And who cares about commercial distros? Look at how many 
packages *they* have, and look at *us*. We've got lots more (and I mean 
perhaps over a thousand more)!


Debian is by far t-h-e b-e-s-t

Regards,
hzi

Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Kevin]

i just tar'd the dir, blew away the partition and recreated it.  still
dunno what caused it but oh well.


-Original Message-
From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:27:55 -0700
To: "Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

its a 200 meg partition.  i ran du -sh as root.


-Original Message-
From: "Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:25:36 +0200
To: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

also sprach Kevin (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 01:10:47PM -0700):
> cant write to it.  ive moved /var/lib and /var/ache to a different
> partition and symlinked them.  so i have about 8 meg free again.  
> 
> using woody/2.4.5 and erm whatever rev setup makes it if you say you
> dont want 2.0 compat.

did you run du -sh as root? what's the output if you run it as root?
and how big is your partition again?

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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade -f giving some odd error when trying to remove gdm

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:25:55PM +1200, bewm wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i typed in, apt-get dist-upgrade -f
> it downloads all the files like normal,
> but for them to install it had to remove a package called gdm...
> this is what it said when it tried to remove it:
> 
> Removing gdm ...
> dpkg: error processing gdm (--remove):
> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> gdm
> 
> anyone know how to fix this or atleast tell me how to get rid of gdm so i
> can successfully dist-upgrade..

Edit /var/lib/dpkg/available/info/gdm.prerm and put a line

  set -x

somewhere at the top (but not at the very top).

Then look where it breaks.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: apt-get dist-upgrade -f giving some odd error when trying to remove gdm

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:06:15PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:25:55PM +1200, bewm wrote:
> > hi,
> > 
> > i typed in, apt-get dist-upgrade -f
> > it downloads all the files like normal,
> > but for them to install it had to remove a package called gdm...
> > this is what it said when it tried to remove it:
> > 
> > Removing gdm ...
> > dpkg: error processing gdm (--remove):
> > subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > gdm
> > 
> > anyone know how to fix this or atleast tell me how to get rid of gdm so i
> > can successfully dist-upgrade..
> 
> Edit /var/lib/dpkg/available/info/gdm.prerm and put a line
 ^ oops, brainfart

Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.prerm and put a line

  set -x
 
somewhere at the top (but not at the very top).
 
Then look where it breaks.
 
Cheers,
 
 
Joost

fetchmail: socket error while fetching

[Robert Cymbala]

How to use fetchmail to connect to IMAP on a remote host while going
through a SOCKS proxy server (proxy.lafn.org:1080).

There were no matches in the Debian Mailing List Archive Search for:
  "socket error while fetching"

Looking at the FAQ:
  http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/fetchmail-FAQ.html#K1
  "K1. How can I use fetchmail with SOCKS?"
led me to compile fetchmail with "--with-socks":

 - uncommented deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list
 - ``apt-get update''
 - ``apt-get source fetchmail''
 - unbundled sources
 - unzipped diff file
 - ``patch -p1 http://www.marxists.org/admin/workshop/welcome.htm#email


Help! and thanks,
-Rob Cymbala

Re: [users] Not Debian related. wvdial

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Wayne (on Sat, 07 Jul 2001 05:05:25PM -0400):
> I'm having a-heck-of-time trying to get my modem
> to work on a new install of redhat 7.1. I did write to
> redhat with my problem, but I have not received any
> answers yet.

big surprise. let me guess, you aren't responsible for five digit
sales sums at redhat, so they give a flying food about you...

> Again ,I have not gotten any responds. Can anyone
> tell me how to get a message to the wvdial sig
> group?

what's your problem?

> P.S. I will be going to Debian soon!!

good for you! you shall never regret, and if it's only for the
debian-user list, which, in my opinion, is one of the best assets one
can have!

yeah debian!

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Re: TTF fonts

[Paul D. Smith]

You don't have a fonts.scale or fonts.dir file in your fonts directory;
I'm pretty sure you need to.

If you are using XFree86 4.x and a "testing" distribution of Debian, you
can use my doc to very easily install TrueType fonts, and you don't need
a font server to do it (XFree86 4 has built-in support for TrueType
fonts via its loadable modules feature).

  http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html

There is also a version I wrote for XFree86 3.x, here:

  http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/debian_tt.html

This requires more steps but it _does_ work.

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Re: testing packages not consistent?

[Paul D. Smith]

%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes:

  cw> testing ignores the Recommends: (it's installable without it), and
  cw> resolves the Conflicts: by assuming that you can remove debhelper
  cw> in order to install the package. It's not optimal in this case,
  cw> but is necessary in others.

OK.  No problem; I just used "apt-get -t unstable install debhelper"
and then alsa-source installed fine.


I love the new apt features! :)

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Re: Not Debian related. wvdial

[Kent West]

Wayne wrote:


Hi,
I'm having a-heck-of-time trying to get my modem
to work on a new install of redhat 7.1. I did write to
redhat with my problem, but I have not received any
answers yet. I also tried to sign-on to wvdial  sig.
Again ,I have not gotten any responds. Can anyone
tell me how to get a message to the wvdial sig
group?
Thanks.
Wayne

P.S. I will be going to Debian soon!!



I haven't responded until now, but not because I'm ignoring you; I just 
don't know the answer.


However, we might can help you with the modem issue, even though you're 
using Redhat :-(


I don't know how familiar you are with Linux, so let me ask the first 
obvious question: is your modem a so-called "winmodem"? If so, you're 
not likely to ever get it to work with Redhat (or Debian, or BeOS, or 
OS/2, or anything except what the manufacture decides to let you use 
with it). Winmodems and winprinters are, in my estimation, absolute trash.


If you don't know if you have a winmodem or not, let us know the 
make/model, or at least the chipset (look for the numbers on the bigger 
chips on the, presumably internal, modem). If you have the box/paperwork 
that came with the modem, does it state that it requires some sort of 
Windows? (It's okay if it says the included communication software 
requires Windows, but we're concerned about the modem itself, not the 
included software).


If it's not a winmodem, you might try minicom (assuming you can get it 
installed on Redhat; on Debian it's as simple as typing "apt-get install 
minicom"). Although minicom won't let you "get on the net" so-to-speak, 
it'll let you make sure the modem is working and you're getting past the 
login routine of your ISP.


Give us more details and we'll go from there.

(Please reply below the relevant portions to which you're replying, 
rather than at the top of the message; replying at the top makes it hard 
to follow the thread.)


Kent