Re: An *idea* that *might* put Debian on top (?)

[G.LeeJ]

>
> What keeps me from introducing Linux to my mom, and will for a while, is
> the inevitable "But Tom, can I use this greeting card program?", "Tom,
> how do I run this .exe file my friend sent me?", "Tom, this 'gimp' thing
> is hard and doesn't run my Photoshop plugins, I want Photoshop back.",
> "Tom, how come this ICQ can't do all the stuff it could do in
> Windows??", "Tom, how come I can't use  browser plugin>?!" and on and on and on.

well thanks to the efforts of wine ( and if you can afford it/desire it win4lin
or vmware supposed make huge difference I haven't used either though ) in
conjuction with the ever growing hopefully app database that just recently went
online.--this is getting better all the timeand eventually ( until that is
native linux apps become more sophisticated albiet many already are ) depending
on ones needs most all if not all will no longer be necessary

is it that easy back to your questioncourse not but its an enticing
option

besides some of those apps you mention IMO are already plenty sufficient
especially gimp and  icq clones are steadily increasing in valuable
features

lee
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Re: Rsync troubles part II

[Russell L. Harris]

Are you using Linux or Windows to download the image?  The trouble 
you are having sounds like the trouble I had with Windows98, until I 
learned a few secrets of the process.


RLH


At 05:28 PM 6/29/01 -0500, Clint Rhea wrote:

Okay, I've tried using the pseudo-image-kit twice now, with no success.

Every time I use rsync, regardless of server, I get to 99% and then get this
message:
ERROR: file corruption in binary-i386-1.iso. File changed during transfer?

Any help would be greatly appreciated... or if someone knows of a
better/easier way to burn a debian CD.

Clint Rhea
Quality Assurance
Visionael Corporation


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Re: devfs

[Guy Geens]

> "Andrew" == Andrew Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andrew> I was wondering if anyone out there has an oppinion on devfs.
Andrew> I'm considering it for a system that I'm building and some
Andrew> real life experiences with it would be helpful.

Devfs is quite stable. I use it on two different machines. The only
drawback is that it doesn't seem to handle modules very well. (That is
partly a configuration issue, but I haven't looked into it deep enough.)

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mail script attachment

[ben djaya]

Hi,
I have some binary files, and I need to mail it
separately. For each file I want to attach it in a
mail. 
Can somebody help me make a script, so that they can
be mailed automatically. 
I hope I can use pine for the script, or mail is OK.

Thank you in advance.

Benny

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Re: What is state of package installed despite dependencies?

[Ross Boylan]

On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 02:06:44PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:14:26PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
[snip]
> 
>  [gtoaster problems]
> 
> If there is an issue with the quality of the package, file a bug and
> ask the maintainer to do something about it.  Upstreams does something
> broken is not an excuse, but a reason to work around that in the package.

Just for the record, I don't think there's a problem with the original
or the packaging.  During the upgrade the program makes some
non-backward compatible changes.  It asks and warns you before doing
so.  I just happened to want to go backward afterwards.  The only
possible bug would be dpkg -i going part way through an install and
then bailing.  For all I know, that's feature, since dpkg is probably
intended for low level control without training wheels.

Re: apt-get slow w/dsl?

[Jimmy Richards]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:33:13PM -0500, Leonard Leblanc wrote:
> Has anyone else out there had a problem with running apt-get with dsl?
> 
> I recently switched my home system over to linux and used "Enternet" scripts 
> to start and stop pppoe.  Everything works great except apt-get seems really 
> slow.  I don't know if it's just the US servers or my crappy connection.
> 
> Any thoughts?

Hi Leonard,

You might want to try a utilty called 'apt-spy'.

HTH,

Jimmy Richards


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Re: mail script attachment

[Eric G. Miller]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 10:57:14PM -0700, ben djaya wrote:
> Hi,
> I have some binary files, and I need to mail it
> separately. For each file I want to attach it in a
> mail. 
> Can somebody help me make a script, so that they can
> be mailed automatically. 
> I hope I can use pine for the script, or mail is OK.

metamail might be able to help...

for i in (ls -1 $dir); do
  metamail  $i
done 

-- 
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Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Mikael Gustaf Claesson]

I've ordered a new notebook, and I was thinking that maybe I should try
installing Debian. But I need kernel 2.4 and I want to use ReiserFS. Does
that mean that I have to install from sid? And will that mean that the
system will be very unstable? In that case I'll probably just go with
Mandrake instead. What do you people think?

woody/linux 2.4/raid/athlon/almost a horror story

[aphro]

i had originally planned to delay testing of linux
2.4 until late this year. but i recently had an
urge to try to do some video capture, and discovered
if i want to capture at 640x480 i need linux 2.4
and V4L2. So since this is a fresh install i
decided to try out 2.4..

what a horrible experience.

firstly, i compiled my 2.4.5 kernel with "Athlon/Duron'
support, and was promptly greeted with "Illegal Instruction"
on e2fsck when i tried to boot the system. Kind of
odd considering i have an athlon 1309mhz proc ..

anyways i booted back to 2.2.19(good kernel..good
kernel..) and recompiled for PPRO instead of athlon.
this time it got farther, and begun to scan my
raid(!) arrays. since the arrays were stopped clean
i didn't understand why it was doing this. i have
/usr and /var on raid1 and i have /space on raid0.

it took the next hour and a half to scan(don't know
why it was only scanning at ~2MB/s while under
linux 2.2 it scans at ~15MB/s). when i came back
to the screen i saw tons of errors saying /dev/md0
md1 md2 no such device, can't scan the filesystems
and dumped me to a prompt. i rebooted the system
again into 2.2.19 again and everything was fine.
honestly i expected linux 2.4's "updated" raid
to have totally trashed my old raid drives(and no
i don't want to use the new raid, ive been using
the old raid for over 2 years without a single
problem...ever) but it booted fine, the arrays
were clean(although i think i should force
a check just to be sure) was able to login
to kdm and get my afterstep desktop, no glitches.

PHEW.

now can someone enlighten me as to what could
of gone wrong? i expected since i was running
woody a fairly smooth changeover to 2.4 with
the exception of having to recompile my other
modules like nvidia driver, vmware and bttv
i had no idea id encounter such issues before
even getting to a login prompt.

this of course leaves a horrible taste in my
mouth. im just glad 2.4 didn't trash my drives.
even if it did i'd only lost a week of data
luckily i decided to stop trusting the local
machine due to an asus motherboard frying my
filesystems a couple weeks ago(have since replaced
it) and now save most of my data directly to
NFS shares on my main server.

the installation of woody is about a week old...

ohwelli guess this experience just makes me
more glad that linux 2.2 is solid.

my system:
woody(1 week old)
athlon 1300mhz
768mb sdram
tyan KT133A-based motherboard(forgot the part#)
dual IBM 20GB ide drives
promise ata100 controller(non raid)
adaptec aha2940UW scsi
4x8x CD-R (SCSI)
Nvidia Geforce2 MX 200 (64MB) AGP
Intel eepro100
Soundblaster PCI 128
Hauppauge WinTV Go!(bt848 i believe)
450watt PC Power & Cooling power supply
~650watt (1100VA) UPS
Linux 2.2.19(ide patch, nvidia kernel drivers,
bttv drivers)

nate

Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Andy Mott]

Hey

I'd install a standard Potato build, using the ReiserFS floppies from here:

http://debianboot.digitaltux.com/

Then simply upgrade the kernel. There's no need to use testing if you want a 
tried and tested system.

HTH

Andy

Mikael Gustaf Claesson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I've ordered a new notebook, and I was thinking that maybe I should try
> installing Debian. But I need kernel 2.4 and I want to use ReiserFS. Does
> that mean that I have to install from sid? And will that mean that the
> system will be very unstable? In that case I'll probably just go with
> Mandrake instead. What do you people think?
> 
> 
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Re: I need secure mail!

[User zos]

I think what you need to do is figure out what your needs are first. What
you are suggestiong is that you want an unknown (anonymous) box to connect
to your mail server via port 25 (sendmail) and somehow login
first? Without some way to secure the connection you would be sending a
user name and password openly. Why not do something *ahem* simple and just
use good e-mail encryption, or better yet why not just have the users log
into the box remotely via SSH and send mail internally? Or hey, if you are
really feeling ambitious you could pass it all over the web with secure
HTTP connections. How much security does one need with e-mail? Why not
just fax the documents over anonymous cell phones?

-z-


On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, aparra wrote:

> 
> 
> Greg Wiley wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, June 29, 2001 12:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake:
> > 
> >>I neet to know if I can find on Debian any imap server that alows me to 
> >>use secure conections, and also if I can ask for a password on any smtp 
> >>server, exim, smail, ... My problem is that I have to accept mail from 
> >>anywere, but it's too dangerous, so I want some way to solve it.
> >>
> > 
> > To the second: yes, exim allows you to require
> > authentication for relay operations. Look at the
> > "host_auth_accept_relay" config param.
> 
> 
> 
> I need to accept mail, by smtp, from any unknown host, when a valid user 
> use the imap service. So the user have a valid username and a valid 
> password, and I want to use it as a validation for accept relay to any 
> email addres inside my server or outside.
> 
> 
> > 
> > For the first, do you mean that you want to prevent
> > eavesdropping on your imap connections, or do you
> > wish to secure your imap server from unauthorized
> > use?
> 
> 
> 
> The question is about where can I found some IMAP server that accept 
> secure connections.
> 
> 
> > 
> >   -g
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: PDF file generation.

[Paul Huygen]

Matt Garman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, in my experience, I've never seen a ps-to-pdf converter that works.

Do you use Potato, Woody or Sid? The problem seems to be, that
Ghostscript with versions < 6.5 seems to be broken with respect to PDF
generation (ps-to-pdf converters are usually scripts that call
Ghostscript to do the work). Rumours go that version 7.0 is
whacky. So, you need Ghostscript version 6.5, if you want to do
ps-->PDF. In Debian, this is only available in Sid. So, if you want to
do ps-->PDF, You have either to run Sid, or to compile Ghostscript 6.5
by yourself.


> In particular, if the
> documents were originally written in TeX/LaTeX, there is a program called
> "pdflatex" that converts LaTeX documents into PDF, and has always worked
> correctly in my experience.

How do you include pictures in your PDF documents? PDFlatex wants
pictures in PDF format, and these are hard to generate if the ps-to-PDF
converter is broken

Regards,

Paul Huygen

Re: Why is setting up X so arcane?

[Sebastiaan]

> 
> Desktop area 1024 by 768 at 72 Hertz
> s3 compatible display adapter
> Chip Type S3 Vision964
> DAC Type: Brooktree Bt485
> Memory size: 2MB
> Adapter String: Diamond Stealth
> Bios Information: 
> 
Funily enough, last week I tried to set up X with exact the same card. I
have tried everything, editing XF86Config, adding modelines, used almost
every configuration program, but it seems impossible to set this card
working in an other resolution than 640x480, while this card can do
1280x1024x16b. Perhaps XF86-4 will work?

Greetz,
Sebastiaan

Browser plug-ins

[Lambrecht, Joris]

Hi all,

Thought it might be usefull for some to know about this page. I'd recommend
you visit it and post some feedback to this page if you know of any existing
plug-ins. This would only help 'the cause'.

http://browserwatch.internet.com/plug-in/plug-in-linux.html



> Regards,
> 
>  Joris Lambrecht
> 

Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Mart van de Wege]

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 16:45:37 +1000 (EST)
Mikael Gustaf Claesson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've ordered a new notebook, and I was thinking that maybe I should try
> installing Debian. But I need kernel 2.4 and I want to use ReiserFS.
> Does
> that mean that I have to install from sid? And will that mean that the
> system will be very unstable? In that case I'll probably just go with
> Mandrake instead. What do you people think?
> 
Hi Mike,

I am running sid on two machines myself, and I find it generally not more
unstable than the latest Mandrake releases (which have a reputation of
flakiness themselves). You will occasionally run into a problem, like last
week when pam broke and nobody could login. There is 2 solutions: 1. Don't
do daily upgrades :) and read debian-devel-announce, or 2. Make sure you
have your laptop up and running well and upgrade your other pc first (if
you have one that is). If something goes wrong, you can use the laptop to
ssh in, or read the mailinglists/newsgroups.

HTH,

Mart

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Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[der.hans]

Am 30. Jun, 2001 schwäzte Andy Mott so:

> I'd install a standard Potato build, using the ReiserFS floppies from
> here:
>
> http://debianboot.digitaltux.com/
>
> Then simply upgrade the kernel. There's no need to use testing if you want
> a tried and tested system.

Here's the page on running 2.4.x on potato:

http://www.debian.org/News/2001/20010415

Haven't tried it myself. My 2.4.x boxen are all running testing. I've had
very few probs with testing. One 2.4.x box is running
kernel-image-2.4.5-something, the others are self-compiled. I've only tried
the kernel-image package one other place ( my laptop ) where it tried to
boot from /dev/hda5, not /dev/hda3 as listed in lilo.conf. Haven't delved
into it.

ciao,

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Re: USB support for Palm m500?

[Matthias Gasser]

I think the Visor Option should help you.

you need that package:  usbutils i think.

Read your Kernel Doc. How to set up the /dev/ttyUSB* devices..

greetings matthias

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:46:14PM -0500, Gregory T. Norris wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if it's possible to access a Palm M500 using USB? 
> If so, what combination of usb/usb-serial support do I need to compile
> into my kernel?  I've run several google searches, but haven't turned
> up anything so far.
> 
> I've tried the generic usbserial driver, but that doesn't seem to be
> it.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Adam Warner]

On 30 Jun 2001 16:45:37 +1000, Mikael Gustaf Claesson wrote:
> I've ordered a new notebook, and I was thinking that maybe I should try
> installing Debian. But I need kernel 2.4 and I want to use ReiserFS. Does
> that mean that I have to install from sid? And will that mean that the
> system will be very unstable? In that case I'll probably just go with
> Mandrake instead. What do you people think?

I've now converted all my boxes over to using Reiserfs as the boot
filesystem. I was lucky enough to avoid all the initial data corruption
bugs by instantly upgrading them to 2.4.5 (and the 2.4.5 patch from
www.namesys.com). I thought through trying to upgrade them but decided
that because they weren't very customised that a backup of the data and
a reinstall was the best option.

I can't remember where I obtained everything but here's what you can do:
Grab the latest Debian reiserfs boot disks and use them to do the
install. Then you'll have reiserfs as your boot partition the _easy_
way.

Then add bunk's 2.4 utilities to your path. Do a distribution upgrade
(apt-get -u dist-upgrade) and then you'll be able to compile/install a
2.4.5 kernel.

At this point you're _still_ using stable. If you want the cutting edge
software like I do then add the testing/unstable paths to your
sources.list. So far it has been great apart from the pam update. And I
could have avoided that if I'd paid attention to the lists instead of
just blindly upgrading ASAP. If you pay attention to what you're
upgrading I'd say even non-critical servers could be run on unstable,
especially if you have a reason to use the latest applications (as I
do).

Unstable is the most modern distribution there is. I get to use all the
latest software all the time without waiting for a new distribution
every six months or so. It's fantastic (thanks everyone).

By the way, "testing" is the least secure Debian distribution (something
I was surprised to discover a few weeks ago). Both stable and unstable
get security updates very quickly. It can take a while for the unstable
updates to filter though to testing.

Regards,
Adam

Re: custom spam file (ala rbl)

[Doug Hespe]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 04:18:40PM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> is there a file that i can drop IP numbers in to keep exim from accepting
> email from those sites?
> 
> kind of like using rbl, except i'd have my own custom reject file.
> 
> i can simulate such a file usign ipchains, but i'd like to know if exim has
> an IP reject file.
> 
Have a look at a site called linuxbrit or something like that.
The chap who runs it describes a way of setting up mutt to build its 
own reject file.

Cheers, Doug.

Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Adam Warner]

Found the install disks that I used:

http://debianboot.digitaltux.com/

I searched for ages to find these and it took me a while to find them
again. I knew the guy's name started with "Z" :-)

I used the ones with HPT366 support compiled in (that was a dream come
true finding reiserfs and HPT366 Debian custom install disks!)

http://markybobdeb.sourceforge.net/zoltan/disks/reiserfs/udma/

If you already have a set of the 2.2r3 base disks there is no need to
download base2_2.tgz (you would have to put that 15MB file on a hard
disk anyway).

I have always installed a minimum floppy disk install and upgraded
packages from there. Makes an exciting time with apt-cache search trying
to work out what packages you need to install to get something to work
:-) It's like a kitset OS.

Regards,
Adam

Re: What is state of package installed despite dependencies?

[Joost Kooij]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:07:04PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> Just for the record, I don't think there's a problem with the original
> or the packaging.  During the upgrade the program makes some
> non-backward compatible changes.  It asks and warns you before doing
> so.  I just happened to want to go backward afterwards.  The only
> possible bug would be dpkg -i going part way through an install and
> then bailing.  For all I know, that's feature, since dpkg is probably
> intended for low level control without training wheels.

Dpkg is actually very careful.  If there are problems at any stage of
the installation process, it will try to do a rollback.  But dpkg also
has to execute various maintainer scripts during package installation
and removal.  If these scripts contain errors, then even dpkg runs into
a wall.  For the user, this is confusing, because she may not be able
to resolve the situation using dpkg normally, eg. when both postinst
and prerm script contain errors.

If you want to know how dpkg goes about in these matters, I believe it
is documented in debian policy nowadays.

Cheers,


Joost

HELP!!!

[vester]

hi everyone --

i fear i did something stupid.

i wanted to try and see how good linux games actually work, so i
downloaded the unreal tournament installer from loki, copied the cds to my
windows hard disk (because i didn't have support for joliet extension in
linux) and well...installed, which seemed to work fine. i then tried to
start, but got some error messages because of missing paths, which didn't
look very serious really. but then i restarted...on boot up, there were a
lot of errors found on the hard disk and thus, the root system was mounted
read-only and i was prompted to run fsck manually. i did that and answered
yes to the questions (i realise now that i maybe shouldn't have done that)
and it seemed as if everything had been fixed, for on the next reboot
everything worked fine...all my scripts were executed and i ended up in
gdm and wanted to log in...but that didn't work. i switched over to the
console and tried to log in from there. no way. "login incorrect" is what
i get for all my user accounts and for the root account too! i am
desperate...i need to get back into my system! on the one hand i put weeks
and weeks into configuring and customizing everything and on the other
hand all my important data are in there...please, please help me...the
loki support people have not answered me yet and i am on the verge of
panicking.

oh yes, my system is debian woody (with a few things from sid) with kernel
2.4.5...i don't know what else to say. :-(

thanks all!

-vester

Re: HELP!!!

[Lambrecht Joris]

Are you using an AZERTY or QWERZU keyboard by any chance ? Also, does your 
pasword contain any characters that might be affected by such possible problems.



 vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>hi everyone --
>
>i fear i did something stupid.
>
>i wanted to try and see how good linux games actually work, so i
>downloaded the unreal tournament installer from loki, copied the cds to my
>windows hard disk (because i didn't have support for joliet extension in
>linux) and well...installed, which seemed to work fine. i then tried to
>start, but got some error messages because of missing paths, which didn't
>look very serious really. but then i restarted...on boot up, there were a
>lot of errors found on the hard disk and thus, the root system was mounted
>read-only and i was prompted to run fsck manually. i did that and answered
>yes to the questions (i realise now that i maybe shouldn't have done that)
>and it seemed as if everything had been fixed, for on the next reboot
>everything worked fine...all my scripts were executed and i ended up in
>gdm and wanted to log in...but that didn't work. i switched over to the
>console and tried to log in from there. no way. "login incorrect" is what
>i get for all my user accounts and for the root account too! i am
>desperate...i need to get back into my system! on the one hand i put weeks
>and weeks into configuring and customizing everything and on the other
>hand all my important data are in there...please, please help me...the
>loki support people have not answered me yet and i am on the verge of
>panicking.
>
>oh yes, my system is debian woody (with a few things from sid) with kernel
>2.4.5...i don't know what else to say. :-(
>
>thanks all!
>
>-vester
>
>
>
>
>
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Screensaver doesn't work anymore ...

[Krisno Pryosusilo]

Hi all,
I'm not sure where to start looking for a solution, or if I should just 
wait to see if this fixes itself ... and I'm hoping for some pointers :).
I'm using Progeny Debian (on a laptop) and have recently done an upgrade 
using the gnome-apt tool which comes with the distro. Since my latest 
update, my screensaver doesn't work anymore.
I have noticed  that the screensaver files (I use lmorph) have moved 
from /usr/X11R6/bin to /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver ... however merely 
copying the files back to the original path doesn't seem to work ...


Thanks in advance,

Krisno

Re: tar on nfs freezes

[Martin Maciaszek]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 12:18:29AM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote:
> Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> > 
> > * Joerg Johannes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > > Hello list
> > >
> > > My friend just bought a new HD, and wanted to throw out the old one. So
> > > what we did was
> > > - mount an nfs directory from my server (/nfsroot)
> > > - tar cplf - /root | (cd /nfsroot && tar xpf)
> > > - threw the HD out
> > > - started rescue system, partitioned, made filesystems
> > > - mounted /nfsroot and /newroot (on the new HD)
> > > - tar cplf - /nfsroot | (cd /newroot && tar xpf)
> > > during the last step, his machine freezes (it's SuSE and SuSE kernel
> > > with reiserfs), mine, the server, does not
> > >
> > > So, why could that be? (jumpers on the hd are all ok, one partition is a
> > > windows one, and windows works, too)
> > 
> > Which last step: tar -c, cd or tar -x? Can he read from /nfsroot?
> > Can he write to /newroot? Was it really "tar xpf" or was it "tar xpf -" 
> > (hint)?
> > 
> > Dima
> 
> Oh, sorry, it was "xpf -". The freeze appeared after about 1 GB has been
> copied.
> We worked around it: cp -a does the same job and does not freeze. (I
> found it in "Linux in a nutshell". The tar way was suggested by the
> german Linux-Magazin. that worked for me on local-only filesystems)
> 
For copying large abounts of data over the network I suggest
using a netcat tunnel. This works faster than scp and doesn't
need any network file systems.

1. On the destination system start netcat listening on an
arbitrary port and piping it's output to tar. (Make sure that
you're in the right directory, since tar will extract into the
current directory. Alternatively you can use the -C option)
  e.g.: nc -l -p $PORT | tar -xf -

2. On the source system pipe the output of tar to netcat which
sends the data over the network to the destination machine.
  e.g.: tar -cf - $DIRECTORY | nc $HOST $PORT

3. Just sit back and wait :)

Cheers
Martin

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Re: tar on nfs freezes

[Rick Pasotto]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:05:20PM +0200, Martin Maciaszek wrote:
> For copying large abounts of data over the network I suggest
> using a netcat tunnel. This works faster than scp and doesn't
> need any network file systems.
> 
> 1. On the destination system start netcat listening on an
> arbitrary port and piping it's output to tar. (Make sure that
> you're in the right directory, since tar will extract into the
> current directory. Alternatively you can use the -C option)
>   e.g.: nc -l -p $PORT | tar -xf -
> 
> 2. On the source system pipe the output of tar to netcat which
> sends the data over the network to the destination machine.
>   e.g.: tar -cf - $DIRECTORY | nc $HOST $PORT
> 
> 3. Just sit back and wait :)

What and where is 'nc'?

Neither 'man -k' nor 'apt-cache search' finds anything
for either 'nc' or 'netcat'.

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Re: woody/linux 2.4/raid/athlon/almost a horror story

[Joost Kooij]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:58:45PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> what a horrible experience.
> 
> firstly, i compiled my 2.4.5 kernel with "Athlon/Duron'
> support, and was promptly greeted with "Illegal Instruction"
> on e2fsck when i tried to boot the system. Kind of
> odd considering i have an athlon 1309mhz proc ..

1309 is odd as well, and a typo probably, too.  :-)

It might be memory/bus/cache corruption problems.  Linux 2.4 may just
be hammering your hardware harder than 2.2 did.

If you can clock your system busses down, stretch memory timings and
reduce the cpu speed, you might want to try that and see if you can boot
with "init=/bin/sh".  That way, it will not attempt to fsck and mount
your filesystems readwriteable, just boot the kernel and give you a shell.
Type "reboot" or apply vulcan pinch to exit.

Alternatively, prepare a memtest86 bootdisk and boot from it.  You may
need to leave it running for hours and hours.  If you are daring,
you may try to overclock your busses, memory and cpu just a little
and run memtest again.  Too bad that memtest cannot generate heavy io
on peripheral devices while running its tests.  Heavy device activity
can severely affect power supply quality, reflecting in turn on the
reliability of the mainboard chipset and busses.

> anyways i booted back to 2.2.19(good kernel..good
> kernel..) and recompiled for PPRO instead of athlon.
> this time it got farther, and begun to scan my

That sounds a lot like the optimized-for-athlon memcopy instructions
are asking too much from your system.  Ppro optimizations are probably
less aggressive, but I would not trust critical data to it either, if
the athlon codes result in clear and apparent integrity problems.

> raid(!) arrays. since the arrays were stopped clean
> i didn't understand why it was doing this. i have
> /usr and /var on raid1 and i have /space on raid0.

Uh-oh.  Raid code in 2.4 makes extensive use of cpu-specific optimization
tricks, iirc.

> this of course leaves a horrible taste in my
> mouth. im just glad 2.4 didn't trash my drives.
> even if it did i'd only lost a week of data
> luckily i decided to stop trusting the local
> machine due to an asus motherboard frying my
> filesystems a couple weeks ago(have since replaced
> it) and now save most of my data directly to
> NFS shares on my main server.

You already fried a motherboard in this machine?  I'm not really
surprised even, noticing the list below.  Consider replacing your power
supply too.  A faulty one can wreak havoc, while you are suspecting all
the devices that break down due to the out of spec supply.  Even the
best manufacturers have monday mornings, too.

> ohwelli guess this experience just makes me
> more glad that linux 2.2 is solid.

It certainly had a lot more field testing than 2.4

> my system:
> woody(1 week old)
> athlon 1300mhz
> 768mb sdram
> tyan KT133A-based motherboard(forgot the part#)
> dual IBM 20GB ide drives
> promise ata100 controller(non raid)
> adaptec aha2940UW scsi
> 4x8x CD-R (SCSI)
> Nvidia Geforce2 MX 200 (64MB) AGP
> Intel eepro100
> Soundblaster PCI 128
> Hauppauge WinTV Go!(bt848 i believe)
> 450watt PC Power & Cooling power supply
> ~650watt (1100VA) UPS
> Linux 2.2.19(ide patch, nvidia kernel drivers,
> bttv drivers)

Are you in California?  

Cheers,


Joost

Re: broken dist-upgrade

[Disembodied Head]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:32:55AM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 05:03:49PM -0600, Phil Reardon wrote:
> > I attempted to "apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade", from potato to 
> > woody, 
> > but a few of the larger packages timed out.  Almost all of them however 
> > made 
> > it to /var/cache/apt.  What is the best thing to do next?
> 
> Redo "apt-get dist-upgrade", it will attempt to restart the unfinished
> downloads at the point where they broke off.  Repeat until all are
> complete.
> 
> But really, upgrading your dist should be done with dselect.  You can
> still do that.  Just use "install" from its main menu to perform the
> above, after you've checked the select screen.
>
 
Jeez mate, if you love dselect so much why don't you marry it? =)

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Re: PDF file generation.

[Andrew Perrin]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Matthew Garman wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:37:53AM -0400, Daniel Doro Ferrante wrote:
> > I am trying to generate some .pdf files from either .dvi or .ps ones.
> 
> Well, in my experience, I've never seen a ps-to-pdf converter that works.

I'm very surprised to hear that - in my experience the vanilla
ghostscript-aladdin with potato (5.5) generates perfectly fine PDF, with
the one (significant) exception of bitmapped non-standard fonts. I built
gs7.01 from source (with very little trouble) which fixed that
problem. Now ps2pdf works just great.

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Re: HELP!!!

[Aquila]

This could possibly be the libpam* problem which has nothing to do with
your UT installation or manual fscking... did you apt-get upgrade prior
to last reboot? Try boot into single user mode and apt-get
update/upgrade again.

On 30 Jun 2001 12:39:24 +0200, vester wrote:
> 
> hi everyone --
> 
> i fear i did something stupid.
> 
> i wanted to try and see how good linux games actually work, so i
> downloaded the unreal tournament installer from loki, copied the cds to my
> windows hard disk (because i didn't have support for joliet extension in
> linux) and well...installed, which seemed to work fine. i then tried to
> start, but got some error messages because of missing paths, which didn't
> look very serious really. but then i restarted...on boot up, there were a
> lot of errors found on the hard disk and thus, the root system was mounted
> read-only and i was prompted to run fsck manually. i did that and answered
> yes to the questions (i realise now that i maybe shouldn't have done that)
> and it seemed as if everything had been fixed, for on the next reboot
> everything worked fine...all my scripts were executed and i ended up in
> gdm and wanted to log in...but that didn't work. i switched over to the
> console and tried to log in from there. no way. "login incorrect" is what
> i get for all my user accounts and for the root account too! i am
> desperate...i need to get back into my system! on the one hand i put weeks
> and weeks into configuring and customizing everything and on the other
> hand all my important data are in there...please, please help me...the
> loki support people have not answered me yet and i am on the verge of
> panicking.
> 
> oh yes, my system is debian woody (with a few things from sid) with kernel
> 2.4.5...i don't know what else to say. :-(
> 
> thanks all!
> 
> -vester
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: HELP!!!

[vester]

actually i did apt-get update one day ago. that is, i already rebooted
three or four times without no problems at all.

how can i boot into single user mode?

thanks!

On 30 Jun 2001, Aquila wrote:

> This could possibly be the libpam* problem which has nothing to do with
> your UT installation or manual fscking... did you apt-get upgrade prior
> to last reboot? Try boot into single user mode and apt-get
> update/upgrade again.
> 
> On 30 Jun 2001 12:39:24 +0200, vester wrote:
> > 
> > hi everyone --
> > 
> > i fear i did something stupid.
> > 
> > i wanted to try and see how good linux games actually work, so i
> > downloaded the unreal tournament installer from loki, copied the cds to my
> > windows hard disk (because i didn't have support for joliet extension in
> > linux) and well...installed, which seemed to work fine. i then tried to
> > start, but got some error messages because of missing paths, which didn't
> > look very serious really. but then i restarted...on boot up, there were a
> > lot of errors found on the hard disk and thus, the root system was mounted
> > read-only and i was prompted to run fsck manually. i did that and answered
> > yes to the questions (i realise now that i maybe shouldn't have done that)
> > and it seemed as if everything had been fixed, for on the next reboot
> > everything worked fine...all my scripts were executed and i ended up in
> > gdm and wanted to log in...but that didn't work. i switched over to the
> > console and tried to log in from there. no way. "login incorrect" is what
> > i get for all my user accounts and for the root account too! i am
> > desperate...i need to get back into my system! on the one hand i put weeks
> > and weeks into configuring and customizing everything and on the other
> > hand all my important data are in there...please, please help me...the
> > loki support people have not answered me yet and i am on the verge of
> > panicking.
> > 
> > oh yes, my system is debian woody (with a few things from sid) with kernel
> > 2.4.5...i don't know what else to say. :-(
> > 
> > thanks all!
> > 
> > -vester
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: HELP!!!

[vester]

i am using a QWERTZ keyboard...i think you are right in that it changed to
QWERTY, however my passwords should not be affected by the change. is it
possible that it changed to something other than QWERTY perhaps?



On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Lambrecht Joris wrote:

> Are you using an AZERTY or QWERZU keyboard by any chance ? Also, does your 
> pasword contain any characters that might be affected by such possible 
> problems.
> 
> 
> 
>  vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   
> >hi everyone --
> >
> >i fear i did something stupid.
> >
> >i wanted to try and see how good linux games actually work, so i
> >downloaded the unreal tournament installer from loki, copied the cds to my
> >windows hard disk (because i didn't have support for joliet extension in
> >linux) and well...installed, which seemed to work fine. i then tried to
> >start, but got some error messages because of missing paths, which didn't
> >look very serious really. but then i restarted...on boot up, there were a
> >lot of errors found on the hard disk and thus, the root system was mounted
> >read-only and i was prompted to run fsck manually. i did that and answered
> >yes to the questions (i realise now that i maybe shouldn't have done that)
> >and it seemed as if everything had been fixed, for on the next reboot
> >everything worked fine...all my scripts were executed and i ended up in
> >gdm and wanted to log in...but that didn't work. i switched over to the
> >console and tried to log in from there. no way. "login incorrect" is what
> >i get for all my user accounts and for the root account too! i am
> >desperate...i need to get back into my system! on the one hand i put weeks
> >and weeks into configuring and customizing everything and on the other
> >hand all my important data are in there...please, please help me...the
> >loki support people have not answered me yet and i am on the verge of
> >panicking.
> >
> >oh yes, my system is debian woody (with a few things from sid) with kernel
> >2.4.5...i don't know what else to say. :-(
> >
> >thanks all!
> >
> >-vester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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make-kpkg --append-to-version

[Joerg Johannes]

Hello List

I am trying to build a kernel for athlon on my pentium machine. It must
be 2.4.3 (as I am using at the moment) because I have xfs running on /,
/home, and /var. I want to install both kernels for being able to switch
all my hardware back to the pentium machine if something doesn't work. I
tried to compile the athlon kernel with "--append-to-version athlon" and
I get the eroor message

"dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.4.3-xfsathlon not in
control info
make: *** [kernel-image-deb] Error 29"

Running without --append-to-version gives me a kernel-image.deb which is
named exactly as the installed kernel. This is not good, because
installing it may overwrite the existing kernel and stealing me the
ability to fix anything in case of misconfiguration.
Any idea how to produce a kernel with a different name?

thanks

joerg

Re: make-kpkg --append-to-version

[ktb]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 03:07:26PM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote:
> Hello List
> 
> I am trying to build a kernel for athlon on my pentium machine. It must
> be 2.4.3 (as I am using at the moment) because I have xfs running on /,
> /home, and /var. I want to install both kernels for being able to switch
> all my hardware back to the pentium machine if something doesn't work. I
> tried to compile the athlon kernel with "--append-to-version athlon" and
> I get the eroor message
> 
> "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.4.3-xfsathlon not in
> control info
> make: *** [kernel-image-deb] Error 29"
> 
> Running without --append-to-version gives me a kernel-image.deb which is
> named exactly as the installed kernel. This is not good, because
> installing it may overwrite the existing kernel and stealing me the
> ability to fix anything in case of misconfiguration.
> Any idea how to produce a kernel with a different name?

>From zless /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz -
make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
hth,
kent

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java netscape error after installing ximian

[Haim Ashkenazi]

Hi

I've just installed ximian gnome from their site (apt-get install 
task-ximian-gnome). the installation was ok, but after that, every time I want 
to launch netscape I get this error:

INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not load 
/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so: linking 
error=/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so: undefined symbol: 
PR_GetCurrentThread

System error?:: Success

the file is there (I've also purged and reinstalled j2re1.3). I'm not a 
programmer but I've tried to run 'strings 
/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so|grep PR_GetCurrentThread' and 
the result was: 'PR_GetCurrentThread' (don't know if it means something). 
of-course when I remove the java plugin from the netscape directory everything 
is ok.

my '/etc/ld.so.conf' file looks like that:

/usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw3d
/usr/X11R6/lib
/usr/lib/libc5-compat
/lib/libc5-compat


any ideas?

thanks in advance

Haim Ashkenazi

netscape error after installing ximian

[Haim Ashkenazi]

Hi

I've just installed ximian gnome from their site (apt-get install 
task-ximian-gnome). the installation was ok, but after that, every time I want 
to launch netscape I get this error:

INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not load 
/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so: linking 
error=/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so: undefined symbol: 
PR_GetCurrentThread

System error?:: Success

the file is there (I've also purged and reinstalled j2re1.3). I'm not a
programmer but I've tried to run 'strings 
/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so|grep PR_GetCurrentThread' and 
the result was: 'PR_GetCurrentThread' (don't know if it means something).  
of-course when I remove the java plugin from the netscape directory everything 
is ok except that I have no java :-(.

my '/etc/ld.so.conf' file looks like that:
/usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw3d
/usr/X11R6/lib
/usr/lib/libc5-compat
/lib/libc5-compat


any ideas?

thanks in advance

Haim Ashkenazi

gnome-terminal fonts

[Jonathan David Wheelhouse]

Hi

I started playing with gnome-terminal's font settings; chose something
awful and now I can't seem to get back the default (I actually don't
remember it; just assumed that there was a default setting I could
click on).

Could somebody please tell me what their font setting is please?

Jonathan

Maestro sound

[Darryl L. Pierce]

I have ESS Maestro 2E sound hardward on my laptop. When I built my kernel 
(2.2.19) I made
sure to enable it and have verified in /var/log/dmesg that the module(s) gets 
loaded.
However, when I try to run a sample sound application (in this case, a JMF 
applet using
Java 1.3) the code throws exceptions about being unable to find any MIDI or 
line hardware.
How else can I verify that my sound equipment is properly working?

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Re: [users] Re: I need secure mail!

[Martin F. Krafft]

> > The question is about where can I found some IMAP
> > server that accept  secure connections.

the way i have it is an imap/pop3 server running, the daemons binding
to 127.0.0.1 only, and then stunnel on top, which provides
ssl-encrypted access only to the mail ports. it's the best setup i
found so far, and even micro$oft clients are capable of it (wow,
mickysoft adhered to a standard!!!)

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Re: broken dist-upgrade

[Joost Kooij]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 12:08:53AM -0400, Paul Wright wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:32:55 +0200, Joost wrote:
> > 
> > But really, upgrading your dist should be done with dselect.
> >
> 
> Why?

Because you should verify what changed in terms of split or renamed
packages and changed dependencies.  Also, contrary to some previous
poster's "nonsense", recommends: and suggests: is there for a reason.

This is not about dselect, it is about proper care when upgrading.
You need to read all the release and upgrade notices as well, in fact
you should do that before touching dpkg, apt-get or dselect at all.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: tar on nfs freezes

[Martin Maciaszek]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 07:16:13AM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> 
> What and where is 'nc'?
> 
> Neither 'man -k' nor 'apt-cache search' finds anything
> for either 'nc' or 'netcat'.
> 
Hmm, I'm not quite sure if it's only available in woody and sid.
Apt-cache found netcat on my sid box.

netcat - TCP/IP swiss army knife

Cheers
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Re: Proliant 1000 pains in the butt

[Frans Schreuder]

Hai,

Well thanx for giving me the pleasure to learn.
I've got meself a working bootflop & All is recognized.
Next challenge: Install Operating system Kernel and Modules!!

I gently lay in the CD-rom.Now it can't install the rescue flop
...
Place Debian Cd-rom; enter
/instmnt; enter
default: The default stable archive (I know of nothing else:-))
Unable to mount the rescue floppy. You may have inserted the wrong floppy
Please try again
.
When I put in the floppy that I remarkebly produced, making the system see
the different scsi-adapters, it gives: Unable to mount the resue floppy, you
may..

Help?
Anybody knows how I should go about this?

Allmost there..half actually.

Thanks,
Frans Schreuder.



> >
> > > Hai,
> > >
> > > Still trying to get that thing working my way..
> > >
> > > Trying to be as complete as possible.
> > > Proliant 1000
> > > Pentium 60 :-)
> > > 128MB ram
> > > 5x4.3GB Fast wide scsi2 (?) on a smart array-2 compaq controller
> > > 1x1.05 Seagate .scsi on the onboard controller
> > > 1x CDrom on the onboard controller.
> > > 2x tokenring-cards (don't know how to use them though)
> > > 1x ISA NE2000.
> > >
> > > I have installed the SoftPaQs for Dos.
> > > I can boot from both controllers into dos.
> > > But I can't get the CD-rom to work.
> > >
> > > Here's my config.sys:
> > > DEVICE=smartscsi.SYS /D:MSCD000
> > > device=fsw2aspi.sys
> > > device=fws2cd.sys
> > > device=fws2disk.sys
> > >
> > > And my autoexec.bat:
> > > MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD000 /L:E
> > >
> > > Please bear with me for I DOS not know ;-)
> > >
> > > Somebody suggested to use the bootfloppies, the compact-flavour, but
> that does not find either scsi-controller/harddisk/cdrom.
> > >
> > > Trying to do it the loadlin-way, got me to the root.bin file, that I
> cannot get on a floppy. Thus blocking that road.
> > >
> > > I even went on compiling a kernel with everything that smells scsi in
> it. bzImage reported an error on it being to big.
> > > But with just the smart array and all the ram stuff in the kernel, it
> wouldn't see the controllers either.(on bootflop).
> > >
> > > Does anybody have some enlightning suggestions or pointers so that I
> need not learn anything (although I did a lot lately).
> > >
> > > And again thank you for your patience.
> > > Regards,
> > > Frans Schreuder.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: broken dist-upgrade

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 09:25:26PM +0930, Disembodied Head wrote:
>  
> Jeez mate, if you love dselect so much why don't you marry it? =)

Why do so many people act like it's their mother in law, that is the
interesting question.

Dselect seems to catch a lot of flak from certain people.  Usually, this
is done in a "mobbing"-like fashion and the tone of their comments is
mostly tendentious and looks like it is not really ment to be seriously
argued about.  These people should try to hang out less on irc, because
it affects their ability to form judgements based on their own opinions
and actual facts that they are able to relate to themselves.

The number one reason why I keep preaching dselect is for all the
people who complain, that they got into a nightmare after blindly running
"apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade to unstable, because some dude told them
it was okay and apt-get r0xs!  They would not have had these problems,
if they had gone about more carefully.  Dselect is currently the best
tool for this purpose.

I have never had any of these problems.  I use dselect.  I rtfm.

If it weren't for all the senseless whining about dselect, people would
not be so confused about what to do, and would take the time to learn
the tool.  How wrong can that be?

Cheers,


Joost

Re: broken dist-upgrade

[Joost Kooij]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 09:03:38PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Nonsense.  *apt* will only install what it has to in order to upgrade you,
> while dselect can and does gift you with a whole new set of software you may
> not want, since it obeys things like 'Recommends:' that apt has no reason to
> pay any attention to.  The *dependency* resolution between them is
> identical.

Sure, recommends: is just a sick and twisted joke on the users 
by the debian developers.  Ignore it.  Sleep on.

> apt-get upgrade will only replace already installed packages.
> 
> apt-get dist-upgrade will only replace already installed packages, with the
> caveat that if it is necessary to replace an already installed package, it
> will allow the installation of a new package.

Look at the perl upgrade endless fun as to why this doesn't always work.
People who do not know and understand all the intricacies and pitfalls,
should stay with dselect.  It was designed for this purpose.  By the
very same author of dpkg.

> dselect, on the other hand, will install the new package_a, install
> package_b, and a raft of other stuff as well.

No, it will not.  It will inform you that the debian package maintainers
think that it is wise to consider installing some other package as well.

You keep the choice, always.  You need to know no more keys than fingers
on your hands to use dselect in all its power and glory.  Wow, that's
just too damn hard for most people, some people say.  Let them speak
for themselves, I say.

> "Friends Don't Let Friends Use DSELECT".  (should be a bumper sticker)

Dselect is user friendly, it's just picky about its friends.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: make-kpkg --append-to-version

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 03:07:26PM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote:
> I am trying to build a kernel for athlon on my pentium machine. It must
> be 2.4.3 (as I am using at the moment) because I have xfs running on /,
> /home, and /var. I want to install both kernels for being able to switch
> all my hardware back to the pentium machine if something doesn't work. I
> tried to compile the athlon kernel with "--append-to-version athlon" and
> I get the eroor message
> 
> "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.4.3-xfsathlon not in
> control info
> make: *** [kernel-image-deb] Error 29"

You did not run "make-kpkg clean" since you last ran "make-kpkg" to build
a different kernel-image deb,  would be my guess before thinking about it
too deeply, because it's the most common problem with kernel-package.

The complaint from dpkg-gencontrol seems to point to this as well.

> Running without --append-to-version gives me a kernel-image.deb which is
> named exactly as the installed kernel. This is not good, because
> installing it may overwrite the existing kernel and stealing me the
> ability to fix anything in case of misconfiguration.
> Any idea how to produce a kernel with a different name?

This is the right way, just make-kpkg clean, so it updates the control
info for the deb with the info for your new build.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: make-kpkg --append-to-version

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 08:22:02AM -0500, ktb wrote:
> >From zless /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz -
> make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image

Nope, this does not make any differences to the filenames that are
installed by the package, which is what the original poster was after.
The --revision option sets debian control info only.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: HELP!!!

[nico de haer]

Hi,

Can you enter your system by going to single-user mode? If this fails, i
fear that a bootdisk is the only thing left for you. On the other hand, you
need not fear, bootdisks are sufficient in most cases to fix your system.
(read: get it running so you can backup data). be a friend to yourself and
reinstall your system. I know this sounds 'windows-ish' but you don't want
to continue working on a system with a might-be-fried filesystem. The
potential problems are severe, unpredictable and hard to track down.

Yours,
Nico de Haer

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From: Lambrecht Joris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: HELP!!!


> Are you using an AZERTY or QWERZU keyboard by any chance ? Also, does your
pasword contain any characters that might be affected by such possible
problems.
>
>
> 
>  vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
> >hi everyone --
> >
> >i fear i did something stupid.
> >
> >i wanted to try and see how good linux games actually work, so i
> >downloaded the unreal tournament installer from loki, copied the cds to
my
> >windows hard disk (because i didn't have support for joliet extension in
> >linux) and well...installed, which seemed to work fine. i then tried to
> >start, but got some error messages because of missing paths, which didn't
> >look very serious really. but then i restarted...on boot up, there were a
> >lot of errors found on the hard disk and thus, the root system was
mounted
> >read-only and i was prompted to run fsck manually. i did that and
answered
> >yes to the questions (i realise now that i maybe shouldn't have done
that)
> >and it seemed as if everything had been fixed, for on the next reboot
> >everything worked fine...all my scripts were executed and i ended up in
> >gdm and wanted to log in...but that didn't work. i switched over to the
> >console and tried to log in from there. no way. "login incorrect" is what
> >i get for all my user accounts and for the root account too! i am
> >desperate...i need to get back into my system! on the one hand i put
weeks
> >and weeks into configuring and customizing everything and on the other
> >hand all my important data are in there...please, please help me...the
> >loki support people have not answered me yet and i am on the verge of
> >panicking.
> >
> >oh yes, my system is debian woody (with a few things from sid) with
kernel
> >2.4.5...i don't know what else to say. :-(
> >
> >thanks all!
> >
> >-vester
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: make-kpkg --append-to-version

[ktb]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 04:45:33PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 08:22:02AM -0500, ktb wrote:
> > >From zless /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz -
> > make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
> 
> Nope, this does not make any differences to the filenames that are
> installed by the package, which is what the original poster was after.
> The --revision option sets debian control info only.

Joerg Johannes wrote:
>>> I am trying to build a kernel for athlon on my pentium machine. It must
>>> be 2.4.3 (as I am using at the moment) because I have xfs running on /,
>>> /home, and /var. I want to install both kernels for being able to switch
>>> all my hardware back to the pentium machine if something doesn't work. I
>>> tried to compile the athlon kernel with "--append-to-version athlon" and
>>> I get the eroor message

>>> Running without --append-to-version gives me a kernel-image.deb which is 
>>> named exactly as the installed kernel. This is not good, because
>>> installing it may overwrite the existing kernel and stealing me the  
>>> ability to fix anything in case of misconfiguration.
>>> Any idea how to produce a kernel with a different name?

Joerg is running kernel version 2.4.3.  He is compiling another kernel
version 2.4.3 "make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" is exactly
what he needs in order to create a 2.4.3 kernel with a revised name.
Otherwise he is right, his original kernel will be overwritten.
kent

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browsing people.debian.org/~someone

[nico de haer]

Hi all,

Most times i need updates for potato i get redirected to
people.debian.org/~someone. The stuff you can find there can be woth gold in
some cases. Up to now i have found no way to find out who all the
'~someone's are nor what they did for us. I can't find a way to browse this
part of the debian site. This either means that: 1) i'm too stupid 2) it's
not possible 3) it's too hard to find. This sux for two reasons: 1) i can't
use what i don't know and 2) the work put in to it by the '~someone' goes
unnoted.

Yours,
Nico de Haer





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Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Craig Dickson]

Adam Warner wrote:

> Grab the latest Debian reiserfs boot disks and use them to do the
> install. Then you'll have reiserfs as your boot partition the _easy_
> way.

Possibly dumb question, but I have an existing ext2fs system. Is there
an easy (or even a not so easy) way of changing it to ReiserFS without
reinstalling everything? Is there a friendly ext2-to-Reiser conversion
tool that I can run in single-user mode? Or do I really have to rebuild
the system from scratch if I want ReiserFS on all partitions?

Craig

Re: tar on nfs freezes

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: Re: tar on nfs freezes
Date: Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 04:06:38PM +0200

In reply to:Martin Maciaszek

Quoting Martin Maciaszek([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 07:16:13AM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> > 
> > What and where is 'nc'?
> > 
> > Neither 'man -k' nor 'apt-cache search' finds anything
> > for either 'nc' or 'netcat'.
> > 
> Hmm, I'm not quite sure if it's only available in woody and sid.
> Apt-cache found netcat on my sid box.

It also finds it on my potato box (r3)

 apt-cache search netcat
netcat - TCP/IP swiss army knife

BTW Nice tip on its usage Martin!

Regards
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How to configure X server for remote login with gdm

[Daniel Lutz]

Hello

I'm trying to start an X server so that it gets its login screen
from a remote machine running gdm. But I haven't yet managed to
make it work.

The following machines are used:
asterix (192.168.1.1), Debian GNU/Linux unstable, gdm
obelix  (192.168.1.2), Debian GNU/Linux potato, X server

On asterix, I have the whole X system up and running, including
gdm. I have configured gdm to allow remote XDMCP requests.

On obelix, I have installed a potato including a minimal X system
(only X server with minimal set of client applications).

When I run `X -broadcast' on obelix (as root), I get the following
messages:

[usual X server messages]

AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:22 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 192.168.1.1 
port 34472
AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:22 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 192.168.1.1 
port 34473
AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:24 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 192.168.1.1 
port 34474

On asterix, the file /var/log/gdm/obelix.watz.ch\:0.log contains the following:

Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server

I think these 6 lines correspond directly to the 3 message of the X server on 
obelix.

I assume that gdm accepts the connection, but it can't show the login window 
because
the X server on obelix doesn't allow it.

On connection of the X server on asterix, gdm creates the following file:
/var/lib/gdm/obelix.watz.ch:0.Xauth

I have also tried xdm instead of gdm, but it hasn't worked, neither.

On the other hand, when I start the X server on obelix with `X -ac -broadcast', 
all
works fine, I get the login screen and can log in.

The man page Xserver(1) says:

   -ac disables  host-based  access  control  mechanisms.
   Enables  access  by any host, and permits any host
   to modify  the  access  control  list.   Use  with
   extreme caution.  This option exists primarily for
   running test suites remotely.

But I prefer using the default authorization mechanisms.

Does anybody know how I need to start or configure the X server on obelix
so that gdm on asterix is allowed tho show its login window?

Thanks for all hints.

Daniel


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Re: browsing people.debian.org/~someone

[ktb]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 05:32:59PM +0200, nico de haer wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Most times i need updates for potato i get redirected to
> people.debian.org/~someone. The stuff you can find there can be woth gold in
> some cases. Up to now i have found no way to find out who all the
> '~someone's are nor what they did for us. I can't find a way to browse this
> part of the debian site. This either means that: 1) i'm too stupid 2) it's
> not possible 3) it's too hard to find. This sux for two reasons: 1) i can't
> use what i don't know and 2) the work put in to it by the '~someone' goes
> unnoted.

I'm a little hazy as to what info your actually trying to get but
http://www.debian.gr.jp/~kitame/maint.rhtml
will let you browse package maintainers.
hth,
kent

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OT : Monitor dying?

[iehrenwald]

In the past week, the picture on my monitor has gotten progressively
lighter and lighter.  I haven't touched the contrast or brightness
wheels.  I checked all the connections to and from the tower and
monitor.  Even opened up the tower and re-seated the video card.  No
luck.  The only thing that has changed is [drumroll] the weather.  It's
extremely humid and has been for about a week, coinciding with when the
monitor started having it's problems.  Is it possible that humidity can
make a monitor display the picture much lighter than normal?  If so, does
this cause permanent damage?  Right now it's like I'm looking at the
screen through heavy fog. 

Thanks
Ian Ehrenwald

Re: Installing with 2.4 and ReiserFS

[Jens Gecius]

Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Grab the latest Debian reiserfs boot disks and use them to do the
> > install. Then you'll have reiserfs as your boot partition the _easy_
> > way.
> 
> Possibly dumb question, but I have an existing ext2fs system. Is there
> an easy (or even a not so easy) way of changing it to ReiserFS without
> reinstalling everything? Is there a friendly ext2-to-Reiser conversion
> tool that I can run in single-user mode? Or do I really have to rebuild
> the system from scratch if I want ReiserFS on all partitions?

No dumb questions, only dumb answers!

Here's how I did it:

I took a look at the HD-upgrade HowTo e.g. at
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html 

and followed that procedure *twice* to do the upgrade.

1. Upgrade: I took a clean HD of the same size of my current one and
partitioned it in exactly the same way as my old e2f was, using e2f
filesystem on the new drive. I copied every to the new one as if I
wanted to install the new one instead of the old one. Follow the steps
in the HowTo.

2. Upgrade: now I re-initialized my old drive with reiserfs and
followed again the HowTo procedure to install that (reiserfs)-drive to
my computer. After installing it, the "temporary" drive was not needed
anymore.

If you have a big hd and use only very few of it, you might even try
to install a copy of the system a second time to temporary boot the
box and install reiserfs on the "original" root and copy everything
back from the temp-location to the new reiserfs-root.

Anything goes, I also recommend to take a look at the
lilo-documentation to get the right system booted.

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Re: V = I * R and the rest (Re: OT: C++ Newbie and KDE/QT)

[D-Man]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:57:47PM -0500, Rich Puhek wrote:
| And ignore the abacus and the slide rule? For shame! we must remember to
| study our roots!

Of course!

| Remember "heck week" from one of the later Revenge of the Nerds movies?

No, I never saw any of those.

-D

Re: gnome-terminal fonts

[Angus D Madden]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 11:32:03PM +1000, Jonathan David Wheelhouse wrote:
> 
> Could somebody please tell me what their font setting is please?
>

Well, i think the default is clean, but i use:

-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1

it's small, but i can fit 6 terminals usably on my 1280x1024 monitor

g



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Re: More On 2.4.5 Processor Support

[D-Man]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 07:05:59PM -0400, David L. Craig wrote:
| The help for the processor config:

| So the K7 should specify Athlon, for which Herbert does not provide
| a kernel-image package.  

Too bad.

| Like I said, I'd build my own.

Thanks for the info!  I had the same question, but hadn't asked yet.
I'll build my own eventually to get NFS built-in (for a diskless
XTerm).  If I think about it for a minute, I have to pick "486" or
worse for that.

-D

Re: woody/linux 2.4/raid/athlon/almost a horror story

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: woody/linux 2.4/raid/athlon/almost a horror story
Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:58:45PM -0700

In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> i had originally planned to delay testing of linux
> 2.4 until late this year. but i recently had an
> urge to try to do some video capture, and discovered
> if i want to capture at 640x480 i need linux 2.4
> and V4L2. So since this is a fresh install i
> decided to try out 2.4..
> 
> what a horrible experience.
> 
> firstly, i compiled my 2.4.5 kernel with "Athlon/Duron'
> support, and was promptly greeted with "Illegal Instruction"
> on e2fsck when i tried to boot the system. Kind of
> odd considering i have an athlon 1309mhz proc ..

Odd.  I installed kernel 2.4.x on my Athlon 2-3 months ago and have
not run into any problems at all. Potato r3 tho.

Of course mine is only running at 996.326 Mhz.

Glad that the 2.2 kernel is working for you.
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Re: How to configure X server for remote login with gdm

[D-Man]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 05:59:30PM +0200, Daniel Lutz wrote:
| Hello
| 
| I'm trying to start an X server so that it gets its login screen
| from a remote machine running gdm. But I haven't yet managed to
| make it work.
| 
| The following machines are used:
| asterix (192.168.1.1), Debian GNU/Linux unstable, gdm
| obelix  (192.168.1.2), Debian GNU/Linux potato, X server
| 
| On asterix, I have the whole X system up and running, including
| gdm. I have configured gdm to allow remote XDMCP requests.

So far so good.

I don't know if gdm can handle outgoing-xdmcp or not.  I haven't tried
yet.  I did the above on my Linux box, then when I went to the lab
(Solaris 8 boxes with CDE and dtlogin) I could pick "remote host" from
the dtlogin screen, type in my host (or IP) and it would show up with
my gdm login.

| AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:22 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 
192.168.1.1 port 34472
| AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:22 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 
192.168.1.1 port 34473
| AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:24 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 
192.168.1.1 port 34474
| 
| On asterix, the file /var/log/gdm/obelix.watz.ch\:0.log contains the 
following:
| 
| Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
| Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
| Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
| Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
| Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
| Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server

I think here asterix is disallowing obelix from "snooping" on
asterix's display.  Maybe kdm or other *dm will work?  Sorry I can't
be more helpful.

| I assume that gdm accepts the connection, but it can't show the
| login window because the X server on obelix doesn't allow it.

This is possible too.

-D

half fixed [Re: netscape error after installing ximian]

[Haim Ashkenazi]

when I removed mozilla that came with ximian gnome the problem was fixed, but 
that's not a solution...

Bye
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 04:30:31PM +0300, Haim Ashkenazi wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I've just installed ximian gnome from their site (apt-get install 
> task-ximian-gnome). the installation was ok, but after that, every time I 
> want to launch netscape I get this error:
> 
> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not load 
> /usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so: linking 
> error=/usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so: undefined symbol: 
> PR_GetCurrentThread
> 
> System error?:: Success
> 
> the file is there (I've also purged and reinstalled j2re1.3). I'm not a
> programmer but I've tried to run 'strings 
> /usr/lib/j2re1.3/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so|grep PR_GetCurrentThread' and 
> the result was: 'PR_GetCurrentThread' (don't know if it means something).  
> of-course when I remove the java plugin from the netscape directory 
> everything is ok except that I have no java :-(.
> 
> my '/etc/ld.so.conf' file looks like that:
> /usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw3d
> /usr/X11R6/lib
> /usr/lib/libc5-compat
> /lib/libc5-compat
> 
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> Haim Ashkenazi
> 
> 
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need man 5 regexp

[Pollywog]

I need the man page for regexp but can't seem to locate it.
Anyone know where I can obtain it?  I searched the Packages page but could not 
find it there.

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Re: need man 5 regexp

[Lamer]

My suggestion is that you should either consider buying the book
mastering regular expressions

or

find the POSIX definition.
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Subject: need man 5 regexp


> I need the man page for regexp but can't seem to locate it.
> Anyone know where I can obtain it?  I searched the Packages page but could
not find it there.
>
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Re: need man 5 regexp

[Ben Collins]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 05:00:49PM +, Pollywog wrote:
> I need the man page for regexp but can't seem to locate it.
> Anyone know where I can obtain it?  I searched the Packages page but could 
> not find it there.

You need regex(7), not regex(5) (section 5 is for config files et al).
Regex(7) is in the "manpages" package.

Ben

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Re: need man 5 regexp

[ktb]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 05:00:49PM +, Pollywog wrote:
> I need the man page for regexp but can't seem to locate it.
> Anyone know where I can obtain it?  I searched the Packages page but could 
> not find it there.

$ man -k regex
$ man -k regexp
hth,
kent

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質問です。

[Nakatani Yoshitaka]

古いパソコンにlinuxをインストールしようとしている者です。
私の古いパソコンにはCD-ROMドライブが無く、フロッピーディスクドライブしか無いのです。
debianはフロッピーのみでインストールできるという話を耳にしたのですが、
それは本当なのでしょうか。
その古いパソコンというのは　DynaBook GT475 031CS　です。

よろしくお願いします。

Re: tar on nfs freezes

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Martin Maciaszek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 12:18:29AM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote:
... The freeze appeared after about 1 GB has been
> > copied.
> > We worked around it: cp -a does the same job and does not freeze. )
> > 
> For copying large abounts of data over the network I suggest
> using a netcat tunnel. This works faster than scp and doesn't
> need any network file systems.

Yes, that or rsh/ssh will bypass NFS with all its overhead. The recommended
way is to do tar -bcpf foo bar | rsh target (cd dir && tar -xbpf -) IIRC.

To OP: read about -b option to tar. If your problem is with NIC drivers,
-b might fix it. OTGH if cp -a works for you, use that.

Dima
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RE: [OT] Linux is different (used to be Why is setting up X so arcane?)

[Rick Commo]

One sojourner's story...

With my ATI Xpert98 card and "no-name" monitor (it had "ICON" on the front
bezel, but that's all I could find out) I had to constantly play XF86Setup.
But I did get things to work.

Finally, after about the third clean install I took careful notes along the
way too since when we get into these situations we often "thrash" get things
working and then can't remember what we did!  I need to make a note that I
did quite a few installs on purpose as I was trying different things out
with disks and disk partitions and the like.

What blew me away the first time I experienced it was the fact that the
resolution that the Xserver would "allow" me to use very dependent on the
monitor that I selected!

Recently I got an AOpen F50L LCD screen.  That helped a bit as I had some
specs.  Then I wanted to build a new machine so while I was at it I picked
up a Matrox M200 for $49.

When I did the (new) install of Potato from CDs I couldn't believe it.  For
the first time ever Anxious came up!!  It had never detected my ATI card,
but was happy with the Matrox.

X can seem a bit nasty, but it can be made to work.  Course it's nice to get
a good soft pillow to put between your head and the wall!  It's nice to have
some brains left to enjoy *using* the system once you get it configured!

I apologize that there is so little advice here - other than spending $50 or
so for a supported card.  Perhaps the "you are not alone" factor will
relieve some of the pain.

My system is now stable, enjoyable and becoming more and more of a work
horse for me.

Cheers,
-rick

Re: OT : Monitor dying?

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 12:11:38PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In the past week, the picture on my monitor has gotten progressively
> lighter and lighter.  I haven't touched the contrast or brightness
> wheels.  I checked all the connections to and from the tower and
> monitor.  Even opened up the tower and re-seated the video card.  No
> luck.  The only thing that has changed is [drumroll] the weather.  It's
> extremely humid and has been for about a week, coinciding with when the
> monitor started having it's problems.  Is it possible that humidity can
> make a monitor display the picture much lighter than normal?  If so, does
> this cause permanent damage?  Right now it's like I'm looking at the
> screen through heavy fog. 

Turn it off before it starts to emit smoke, or blows the main fuses.
Get a new one or have it looked at by a professional an repaired if
necessary.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: Proliant 1000 pains in the butt

[Frans Schreuder]

gHello,

Maybe I did not make myself clear that well.
I compiled a kernel witch was patched with mingo's patch;
raid-2.2.18.A0 (i think).
I then made menuconfig; make dep; make bzImage. Then copied the bzImage to
the rescue-flop renaming it to linux.

Everything went well up untill the point where the install-program wishes to
install system operating-kernel and modules.--> CD-rom; can not mount
rescue-floppy. (my "rescue-floppy") OK. Made myself an original
rescue-floppy, but it didn't buy it. Same message.
I went to a console with alt-F2; but I have no clue on how to mount the flop
(i.e.: didn't buy mounting fd0; fd0CompaQ; with or without the -t vfat
option).

Is there a workaround on this?

Almost.almost is entirely NOTHING!

Thanks,
Frans Schreuder


>
> Hai,
>
> Well thanx for giving me the pleasure to learn.
> I've got meself a working bootflop & All is recognized.
> Next challenge: Install Operating system Kernel and Modules!!
>
> I gently lay in the CD-rom.Now it can't install the rescue flop
> ...
> Place Debian Cd-rom; enter
> /instmnt; enter
> default: The default stable archive (I know of nothing else:-))
> Unable to mount the rescue floppy. You may have inserted the wrong floppy
> Please try again
> .
> When I put in the floppy that I remarkebly produced, making the system see
> the different scsi-adapters, it gives: Unable to mount the resue floppy,
you
> may..
>
> Help?
> Anybody knows how I should go about this?
>
> Allmost there..half actually.
>
> Thanks,
> Frans Schreuder.
>
>

Re: OT : Monitor dying?

[Lamer]

I suggest that he should get a replacement soon. by
the way, my Philips Brilliance 107P works great with linux
with (1600x1200x70Hz | 1280x1024x85Hz)...

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- Original Message -
From: "Joost Kooij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: OT : Monitor dying?


> On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 12:11:38PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In the past week, the picture on my monitor has gotten progressively
> > lighter and lighter.  I haven't touched the contrast or brightness
> > wheels.  I checked all the connections to and from the tower and
> > monitor.  Even opened up the tower and re-seated the video card.  No
> > luck.  The only thing that has changed is [drumroll] the weather.  It's
> > extremely humid and has been for about a week, coinciding with when the
> > monitor started having it's problems.  Is it possible that humidity can
> > make a monitor display the picture much lighter than normal?  If so,
does
> > this cause permanent damage?  Right now it's like I'm looking at the
> > screen through heavy fog.
>
> Turn it off before it starts to emit smoke, or blows the main fuses.
> Get a new one or have it looked at by a professional an repaired if
> necessary.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Joost
>
>
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Re: OT : Monitor dying?

[John Hasler]

Lamer writes:
> I suggest that he should get a replacement soon.

Or get the one he has cleaned.  It's possible that dust is absorbing
moisture and loading down the high voltage.
-- 
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin

Re: OT : Monitor dying?

[Lamer]

I personally would NOT try to risk a bomb.
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- Original Message -
From: "John Hasler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: OT : Monitor dying?


> Lamer writes:
> > I suggest that he should get a replacement soon.
>
> Or get the one he has cleaned.  It's possible that dust is absorbing
> moisture and loading down the high voltage.
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
>
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>

Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Lamer]

http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/gLSB/gLSB/swinstall.html
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ftp:linux.dyn.dhs.org (change FOUR letter)upload something before 
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Re: need man 5 regexp

[pollywog]

On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:04:32AM +0800, Lamer wrote:
> My suggestion is that you should either consider buying the book
> mastering regular expressions
> 
> or
> 
> find the POSIX definition.

Thanks, I will consider buying the book.  I did find what I needed in the 
manpage for "grep".

--
Andrew

Re: woody/linux 2.4/raid/athlon/almost a horror story

[aphro]

> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:58:45PM -0700,

> 1309 is odd as well, and a typo probably, too.  :-)

well thats what cat /proc/cpuinfo shows :)


> If you can clock your system busses down, stretch memory timings
> and reduce the cpu speed, you might want to try that and see if you
> can boot with "init=/bin/sh".  

oddly enough my TYAN motherboard has no way of adjusting
anything other then 100/133mhz bus speed. my system IS
running at 104mhz bus speed(!) and theres nothing i can
do. i emailed tyan tech support last sunday and am
awaiting an explanation.

> That way, it will not attempt to
> fsck and mount your filesystems readwriteable, just boot the kernel
> and give you a shell. 

yeah i could try that, e2fsck was the only program i ran
during that test boot, but im betting most everything
else will cause the same error. do you have an athlon?
do you run it with the athlon optimizations? maybe
its a kernel bug..i read kernel traffic and have
never heard of the athlon optimizations cpu option




> Alternatively, prepare a memtest86 bootdisk and boot from it.  You
> may need to leave it running for hours and hours. 

with my previous MB (same ram, same cpu) i did this because
of my problems. i ran memtest86 for 124 hours 30 minutes
without a single error reported.


> you may try to overclock your busses, memory and cpu just a little
> and run memtest again.  

not sure if i can do that..hardly any options for memory speed
on my MB.

> Too bad that memtest cannot generate heavy
> io on peripheral devices while running its tests.  Heavy device
> activity can severely affect power supply quality, reflecting in
> turn on the reliability of the mainboard chipset and busses.

yeah i intentionally got a bigger power supply then AMD
reccomended(450 watts, Turbocool - top of theline) to
rule that out as a problem.

>
> That sounds a lot like the optimized-for-athlon memcopy
> instructions are asking too much from your system.  Ppro

maybe.


>
> You already fried a motherboard in this machine?  I'm not really
>surprised even, noticing the list below.  

haven't fried one. the previous board i just believe could
not support the 1.3ghz properly. A7A266(Asus). i got complete
and instantaneous filesystem corruption using it. never
seen an issue like it before:

partition a disk
format it(mke2fs)
mount it
unmount it right away(without creating any files)
e2fsck it
see tons of errors all over the place
(repeat)

when i was using this MB i ran memtest86(as noted above)
for 124 hours(while i waited to install the tyan) and i
also ran IBM's drive fitness test for 2 days straight on
both drives, no failures anywhere.


> Consider replacing your
>power supply too.  A faulty one can wreak havoc, while you are
>suspecting all the devices that break down due to the out of spec
>supply.  Even the best manufacturers have monday mornings, too.

i think the hardware is fine. its been running a week on
2.2.19 ive been stressing the opengl, upping system load to
10 for days on end running distributed.net, and running 
bonnie++ copying gigs and gigs of data to the filesystems to
stress the I/O out ...not a single hint of an error.

again my power supply is a Power PC & Cooling Turbo
Cool 450 ATX.

specs are here:
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/highperformance/turbocools/index_hp_450_atx.htm

cost more then the athlon itself(about $220) so i expect it
to be top quality. ive been using turbo cool power supplies
(of the 300watt variety) for a couple years now and they
give out rock solid voltage.

>
> Are you in California? 

used to be..now in washington(since april 2000)

thanks for the reply!!
 
nate

Re: OT : Monitor dying?

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 12:50:29PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Lamer writes:
> > I suggest that he should get a replacement soon.
> 
> Or get the one he has cleaned.  It's possible that dust is absorbing
> moisture and loading down the high voltage.

warning:

  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *

  *  DO NOT OPEN UP YOUR MONITOR EVER UNLESS YOU WANT TO DIE  * 

  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *

There are dangerous voltages inside.  10.000s of Volts.  The charge on
a monitor tube does not go away when you turn off the monitor.  It will
stay there, until you are stupid enough to touch it.  Or until it wears
off, veeery slooowly.

Don't open up any monitors that have not been unplugged and locked in
a case that only you have the key to, for at least a week.

I might be exaggerating a day or two, but in cases where people's lives
are at stake, it is never a bad thing to err on the safe side.

Stay on the safe side, do not open up any equipment containing a crt tube.
And it is not just the tube that is under high voltage.

Having said the important bits, now for some trivia:

If moisture can make this big a difference in the tuning of a monitor,
it is positively malfunctioning and likely about to break down fully.  

If it starts a fire and your fire insurance company finds out that you
have been aware of the problems for a while, but did nothing about it,
other than posting about it to the internet, they may even blame you for
not being sensible and replacing the obviously malfunctioning equipment.

Cheers,


Joost

mail server question

[Brad Cramer]

I am running Debian Potato on a box that I want to use as a mail server for
my home network. I have a dsl connection and do not have a perm ip of domain
name. I just want the server  to handle all the incoming and outgoing mail
for my network. anyway I am using sendmail but am having a hell of a time
getting it to work. I have tried several changes to the sendmail.mc to make
it do what I want but nothing is workng. It will lose mail or not rewrite
the address so mail is bounced back from isp. I have checked aliases file
genericstable file and everything seems to look ok. this is a new install of
debian and procmail and fetchmail are working. does anyone have any ideas or
tips on how to make this work. I have also checked out moongroup.com and
read their howto's didn't help. or could someone tell me if there is another
mta that is easier to use and configure than sendmail. I am not a system
admin, but I have been using linux for about 4 years now and am not afraid
to hand edit some configu files if I just could figure out what to put
where.
Thanks
Brad Cramer

Re: mail server question

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 02:16:12PM -0500, Brad Cramer wrote:
[sendmail hassles]

Stick with exim, which is debian's default.  Much easier to configure,
larger debian userbase, so more likely that you get an answer on
debian-user.

BTW, for smtp to work, your dns must make sense too.  Figure that out
before you try to run down walls using your head.  Also, running on
a cablemodem usually means that at least half your dns sucks.  If you
want a cool mail address, set up dns and a mail relay on a box that has
a sensible network connection in more than just the physical sense, and
use hacks on that machine to deliver the mail to your cablemodem system.

This is a lot easier than hacking the rest of the internet to understand
why your ip changes a lot, port 25 is suddenly filtered, the ptr record
looks like arbitrary 8-bit data, more than half the packets are dropped
at the isp's (single point of failure) link to the rest of the internet,
and all the various other funnies you learn to live with, as a cablemodem
user.

At least try to have a couple of fallback mx hosts for your domain.

My best suggestion is to start here:

  http://www.rfc-editor.org/

Classics for smtp are rfc821 and rfc822.  If you read these first, all
the other documentation on mail systems will then make a lot more sense
to you.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: V = I * R and the rest (Re: OT: C++ Newbie and KDE/QT)

[Joost Kooij]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 08:27:30PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) writes:
> 
> > Other people will say that I'm violently wrong 
> 
> Actually, I'd say you were on crack.  What's a soldering iron going to
> teach you that a breadboard couldn't?  

Well, that's funny?  To heat the baking soda and the coke, of course.
How would you do that with a breadboard?

> The basics are a good thing, but I believe you're taking it a wee bit
> too far.  

It was a gratuitous rant, admittedly.  But to my defense, there was
no mention of "design and implement your own cpu core and i/o asics,
your own system architecture, your own structured programming language
and compiler, your own operating system and system libraries, your own
userland toolset, your own programming paradigm" either.  I argued that
one should generally understand these concepts, though.

>   Why not learn to make your own semiconductors from beach
> sand while you're at it?

Because that would be very expensive, and the amount of effort spent would
not be compensated by the gains in knowledge and experience.  The gain
from this particular endeavour would not be very relevant in the bigger
picture, whereas the other ones were very relevant, in various ways.

Experience is important.  Why else do you think the mcse joke goes: "must
call someone experienced"?  All the serious admin job postings ask for it 
explicitly (the experience).  The soldering iron is implied, btw.

Here's a great little engineers' wisdom that I picked up on a
microcontroller related mailing list:

If you need to make a planning for a technical project, make a naive
engineer's best estimate.  Then multiply that estimate by two and take the
result to the next unit, this brings realistic project completion time.
Eg. two days => four weeks;  three weeks => six months.  Corollary:  if
an engineer says it'll take a year, it will never be finished in reality,
because the engineer long has a new job by then, or has been forcefully
promoted into management (zombie state), because his salary was getting
dangerously close to that of some of the lower ranked managers.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Matti Airas]

Frankly, I disagree with the subject. LSB allows the distribution to
use a different (i.e. dpkg) packaging format than rpm. More
importantly, rpm is the packaging format used by every other
significant Linux distribution. While I agree that a million flies may
be wrong, as far as I have understood, there are no significant
functional differences between dpkg and rpm. Package dependencies may
be declared explicitly in rpm as well, as well as functional
dependencies (Requires: MTA). Debconf is not a package format issue,
but a policy issue. While dpkg uses fairly robust text file format,
rpm uses Berkeley DB's, which are very established as well, and
somewhat faster and more compact than dpkg text files. Etc etc. Both
packaging formats have their pros as well as cons. What ensures the
high quality of Debian, is its policy. Still, a packaging format
should not be seen as a religious issue.

What I would like to see, in the light of LSB, would be that

1) A transparent way to install LSB-compliant rpms in Debian is
implemented. Preferably one should be able to install rpms with 'dpkg'
command line tool, although an automatic format transform with 'alien'
could be performed behind the scenes.

2) Assuming that I am not misinformed about the functional
compatibility of dpkg and rpm, a LONG TERM goal for transforming
Debian to rpm base is issued. This would include adding rpm support
for all Debian package management tools, and transition tools for the
database contents, etc.

I am sorry if I brought up a inflammable issue, but I'd really like to
see some (civil, positive) discussion around the subject. Standards
(usually) are a good thing, and especially a common packaging format
for all Linux distributions would help acceptance and adoption of
Linux, and more importantly, Debian.

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first time deb user: how to tweak xserver fonts?

[Christopher M. Jones]

I have just installed 2.2r3-- my first deb install. The only thing I can't 
seem to figure out is why fonts look so horrible in X. I have done all the 
config stuff I am accustomed to doing with other distros: dpi, bpp, monitor 
setup, etc. 

The problem seems to be just the size of the fonts. It seems that X is using 
a really big, unscaled bitmap. I've tried changing around the font paths in 
XF86Config... no help. I tried setting up xfs, but X doesn't want to use it 
(tells me it can't find a transport). I've tried specifying a good font using 
the -fn switch pased to the server, but the server hangs. 

This is an out-of-the-box install, so the answer must be a very simple one, 
like setting a resource or something. But since I don't know how to find the 
problem, I can't find the solution.

Sorry for the lack of information here, but again: I don't know what 
questions to ask to get started.

Re: need man 5 regexp

[Colin Watson]

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 05:00:49PM +, Pollywog wrote:
>> I need the man page for regexp but can't seem to locate it.
>> Anyone know where I can obtain it?  I searched the Packages page but
>> could not find it there.
>
>You need regex(7), not regex(5) (section 5 is for config files et al).
>Regex(7) is in the "manpages" package.

To elaborate, 'man 7 regex' will get you the right page; regex(3) also
exists, and if you have it installed then man will show you pages from
section 3 before pages from section 7. 'man -a regex' will show you all
pages with that name.

-- 
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Re: browsing people.debian.org/~someone

[Colin Watson]

"nico de haer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Most times i need updates for potato i get redirected to
>people.debian.org/~someone. The stuff you can find there can be woth gold in
>some cases. Up to now i have found no way to find out who all the
>'~someone's are nor what they did for us. I can't find a way to browse this
>part of the debian site.

Yep, those are the home pages of individual Debian developers on one of
the Debian servers. There's no general way to find out what's there,
partly because it's all unofficial. If a developer has put something
useful on people.d.o, he or she usually advertises it in places where
other people might be interested in it; often that's one or more of the
Debian mailing lists, so you could try appropriate searches at
http://lists.debian.org/. A few end up linked from the main Debian web
site.

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Re: first time deb user: how to tweak xserver fonts?

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 04:09:42PM -0500, Christopher M. Jones wrote:
> The problem seems to be just the size of the fonts. It seems that X is using 
> a really big, unscaled bitmap. I've tried changing around the font paths in 
> XF86Config... no help. I tried setting up xfs, but X doesn't want to use it 
> (tells me it can't find a transport). I've tried specifying a good font using 
> the -fn switch pased to the server, but the server hangs. 
> 
> This is an out-of-the-box install, so the answer must be a very simple one, 
> like setting a resource or something. But since I don't know how to find the 
> problem, I can't find the solution.
> 
> Sorry for the lack of information here, but again: I don't know what 
> questions to ask to get started.

Me neither, but lets start with: did you install any font packages?

Also, knowing what version of xfree86 packages you are using would be
useful, and maybe the output of "grep -i font /etc/X11/XF86*".

Cheers,


Joost

Re: OT : Monitor dying?

[iehrenwald]

> I suggest that he should get a replacement soon.

After weighing the options I had (repair, replace, wait till it dies) I
went with the 2nd option and bought a KDS AV-7TF which seems
very nice.  Super flat Trinitron tube, .24 dotpitch, and refresh rates
high enough so I'll never have to worry about my eyes bleeding.  The
picture is awesomely clear and crisp - I'm very impressed with it
considering I paid a mere $230 USD.  

Thanks to all for your suggetions and hints.

Ian Ehrenwald

Re: Maestro sound

[Erik Steffl]

"Darryl L. Pierce" wrote:
> 
> I have ESS Maestro 2E sound hardward on my laptop. When I built my kernel 
> (2.2.19) I made
> sure to enable it and have verified in /var/log/dmesg that the module(s) gets 
> loaded.
> However, when I try to run a sample sound application (in this case, a JMF 
> applet using
> Java 1.3) the code throws exceptions about being unable to find any MIDI or 
> line hardware.
> How else can I verify that my sound equipment is properly working?

  you might be better off using alsa

  use the simplest tools available:

  lsmod to see whether sound modules are rerally loaded

  oss: cat /dev/sndstat
  alsa: /proc/asound/

  run native mixer (e.g. alsamixer for alsa)

  run some audio player (again, native to your driver)

  run simple midi app (NOT java). if you hear no sound you might need to
load soundfonts (for (some) wavetable cards, not needed for FM synths)

  see how far you get along this way... post any error messages you get
etc... (but ignore java or more complex apps for now, just go with the
most trivial apps possible)

erik

Re: woody/linux 2.4/raid/athlon/almost a horror story

[Joost Kooij]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 12:01:55PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> yeah i could try that, e2fsck was the only program i ran
> during that test boot, but im betting most everything
> else will cause the same error. do you have an athlon?
> do you run it with the athlon optimizations? maybe
> its a kernel bug..i read kernel traffic and have
> never heard of the athlon optimizations cpu option

I have tested compiling and running linux kernels on several
athlon-equipped machines and have not encountered any problems.

There were reports rumors of problems with newer via kt chipsets, in
some production series.

> i think the hardware is fine. its been running a week on
> 2.2.19 ive been stressing the opengl, upping system load to
> 10 for days on end running distributed.net, and running 
> bonnie++ copying gigs and gigs of data to the filesystems to
> stress the I/O out ...not a single hint of an error.

Try compiling linux kernels.  It is one of the best tests for the cpu
and cache.  Do both single builds and parallel builds.  If gcc starts
to crash with "signal 11" error, then that is bad.

Also check out va linux's cerberus (iirc).

Too bad your bios does not let you set bus and cpu speed, underclocking
the cpu would have been interesting to test.  You cannot underclock
it either on the old motherboard?  If you are afraid of filesystem
corruption, just disconnect the disks and boot from a floppy.

> again my power supply is a Power PC & Cooling Turbo
> Cool 450 ATX.

That could be good and it could be bad.  I can't say a thing for sure
without having seen real measurements on it with an oscilloscope.  And it
could have been the first one built on some monday morning.  Have you
tried temporarily swapping it with a known good 300W power supply?

Does 2.4 work on that motherboard with a different athlon?  With some
or most peripherals removed?

Have you tried compiling the athlon kernel on different machines, with
different gcc versions?  Maybe you should start here, in fact.

Cheers,


Joost

Email List Server software

[Tom Kocourek]

Any recommendation as to which List Server software best handles MIME encoded 
messages?

Re: [users] Re: mail server question

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Joost Kooij (on Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:35:09PM +0200):
> Stick with exim, which is debian's default.  Much easier to configure,
> larger debian userbase, so more likely that you get an answer on
> debian-user.

and i propose postfix. then again, i would happily like to hear why
exim is better (or not). it looks to me as if exim is a newcomer and
in as such, i don't see how it can possibly get close to postfix,
which is excellent!!!

> BTW, for smtp to work, your dns must make sense too.  Figure that out
> before you try to run down walls using your head.  Also, running on
> a cablemodem usually means that at least half your dns sucks.  If you
> want a cool mail address, set up dns and a mail relay on a box that has
> a sensible network connection in more than just the physical sense, and
> use hacks on that machine to deliver the mail to your cablemodem system.

i would be happy to provide you with a dynamic dns name and mail
exchange relay; that plus ETRN solves my troubles with dynamic IP
connections...

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RE: How to configure X server for remote login with gdm

[Donald R. Spoon]

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 17:59:30 +0200, Daniel Lutz wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I'm trying to start an X server so that it gets its login screen
> from a remote machine running gdm. But I haven't yet managed to
> make it work.
> 
> The following machines are used:
> asterix (192.168.1.1), Debian GNU/Linux unstable, gdm
> obelix  (192.168.1.2), Debian GNU/Linux potato, X server
> 
> On asterix, I have the whole X system up and running, including
> gdm. I have configured gdm to allow remote XDMCP requests.
> 
> On obelix, I have installed a potato including a minimal X system
> (only X server with minimal set of client applications).
> 
> When I run `X -broadcast' on obelix (as root), I get the following
> messages:
> 
> [usual X server messages]
> 
> AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:22 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 
> 192.168.1.1 port 34472
> AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:22 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 
> 192.168.1.1 port 34473
> AUDIT: Sat Jun 30 17:38:24 2001: 5127 X: client 1 rejected from IP 
> 192.168.1.1 port 34474
> 
> On asterix, the file /var/log/gdm/obelix.watz.ch\:0.log contains the 
> following:
> 
> Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> Xlib: connection to "obelix.watz.ch:0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> 
> I think these 6 lines correspond directly to the 3 message of the X server on 
> obelix.
> 
> I assume that gdm accepts the connection, but it can't show the login window 
> because
> the X server on obelix doesn't allow it.
> 
> On connection of the X server on asterix, gdm creates the following file:
> /var/lib/gdm/obelix.watz.ch:0.Xauth
> 
> I have also tried xdm instead of gdm, but it hasn't worked, neither.
> 
> On the other hand, when I start the X server on obelix with `X -ac 
> -broadcast', all
> works fine, I get the login screen and can log in.
> 
> The man page Xserver(1) says:
> 
>-ac disables  host-based  access  control  mechanisms.
>Enables  access  by any host, and permits any host
>to modify  the  access  control  list.   Use  with
>extreme caution.  This option exists primarily for
>running test suites remotely.
> 
> But I prefer using the default authorization mechanisms.
> 
> Does anybody know how I need to start or configure the X server on obelix
> so that gdm on asterix is allowed tho show its login window?
> 
> Thanks for all hints.
> 
> Daniel

Daniel,

I have been fooling around with XDMCP for some time and finally got GDM
to work for me a couple of nights ago.  First of all, the "problem"
comes in with the jump from XFree86 3.6 to XFree86 4.X.  In the 4.x
series it defaults to NOT listening on any TCP ports for security
reasons.  If you do a regular Debian install, you will see a message to
this effect during the install.  It is rather inoccuous, and easily
overlooked.  I am running XFree86 version 4.0.3 on a Progeny-Debian
install here.  Here is what I did to get it going:

1.  Edit the /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc file and remove the "...-nolisten
tcp..." option.  This keeps the xserver from listening on any tcp
ports.  Removing it allows it to listen for external requests.

2.  Make the appropriate changes in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf file in the
[XDMCP] section, i.e. "Enable=1" and "HonorIndirect=1".  

Restart GDM after these changes and it "should" be ready to go.  The
above changes are for the XFree86 4.X series only.  I didn't have to do
step 1 on the 3.6 version.  Also, I havn't been able to get the
"chooser" option going in GDM yet, but then I really don't have a need
for it here.

HTH,

-Don Spoon-

Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 11:33:01PM +0300, Matti Airas wrote:
> 
> 2) Assuming that I am not misinformed about the functional
> compatibility of dpkg and rpm, a LONG TERM goal for transforming
> Debian to rpm base is issued. This would include adding rpm support
> for all Debian package management tools, and transition tools for the
> database contents, etc.

i think you can expect the developer base and user base to drop like a
rock if this happened, since thats the case it never will.  nor should
it.  

i would almost say that you are trolling here...

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Re: [users] Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Matti Airas (on Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:33:01PM +0300):
> While I agree that a million flies may be wrong, as far as I have
> understood, there are no significant functional differences between
> dpkg and rpm. Package dependencies may be declared explicitly in rpm
> as well, as well as functional dependencies (Requires: MTA). Debconf
> is not a package format issue, but a policy issue. While dpkg uses
> fairly robust text file format, rpm uses Berkeley DB's, which are
> very established as well, and somewhat faster and more compact than
> dpkg text files. Etc etc. Both packaging formats have their pros as
> well as cons. What ensures the high quality of Debian, is its
> policy. Still, a packaging format should not be seen as a religious
> issue.

i must admit that i am not particularly down with RPM, but the time
that i had to use it i remember as horrible. in fact, AFAIK, RPM
surely provide dependencies, but DEB has more - suggestions, and best
of all, classes (i.e. MTA). it makes perfect sense to stuff postfix,
qmail, exim, & co. into one class since they all do the same. i
remember that back in my redhat days, i had to force my way around
dependencies just because i wanted to run postfix or qmail rather than
our archaic beast sendmail. sure, i may be wrong here because my
breakthrough with package systems came with DEB, but i used to hate
RPMs -- not least because of their non-intuitive command line syntax
and other weirdities. e.g. dpkg -l  works beautifully whereas
with RPMs, you needed to rpm -qa | grep , which i think is
ridiculous.

if RPMs are better than i see them, then please don't flame me. my
point is that my redhat and suse systems never used packages -- i went
tarball all the way because i could never get RPM to do what i wanted.
DEB, along with apt-get and dselect and what not was love at first
sight for me, and i would never even dream about doing it differently
anymore...

> 1) A transparent way to install LSB-compliant rpms in Debian is
> implemented. Preferably one should be able to install rpms with 'dpkg'
> command line tool, although an automatic format transform with 'alien'
> could be performed behind the scenes.
> 
> 2) Assuming that I am not misinformed about the functional
> compatibility of dpkg and rpm, a LONG TERM goal for transforming
> Debian to rpm base is issued. This would include adding rpm support
> for all Debian package management tools, and transition tools for the
> database contents, etc.

sure, that would be a possiblity, but rather than merging and going
with redhat (come on, they are walking micro$oft footsteps), DEB is
very powerful and can easily exist by itself. a little
cross-compatibility is needed, but rather than surrendering and
converting to RPM, it should be the community's goal to establish DEB
at least to be a second standard, causing vendors and distributors to
package with DEB as well as RPM.

just my 2 pfennige. i would really hate to see DEB go away.

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Re: [users] Email List Server software

[Martin F. Krafft]

also sprach Tom Kocourek (on Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:10:43PM -0400):
> Any recommendation as to which List Server software best handles MIME encoded 
> messages?

AFAIK, MIME is handled by most of them, since any list server really
only speaks SMTP and treats the message as text.

i would personally suggest mailman over giants like majordomo, ezmlm,
and listserv because it can do everything that you (i) want it to do,
and more because it has a nice user interface.

ezmlm is a nice alternative and prolly the way to go if you run qmail,
but majordomo and listproc have archaic configuration which is just
too complex for me to be admining it day in day out.

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Re: first time deb user: how to tweak xserver fonts?

[Christopher M. Jones]

On Saturday 30 June 2001 16:28, Joost Kooij wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 04:09:42PM -0500, Christopher M. Jones wrote:
> > The problem seems to be just the size of the fonts. It seems that X is
> > using a really big, unscaled bitmap. I've tried changing around the font
> > paths in XF86Config... no help. I tried setting up xfs, but X doesn't
> > want to use it (tells me it can't find a transport). I've tried
> > specifying a good font using the -fn switch pased to the server, but the
> > server hangs.
> >
> > This is an out-of-the-box install, so the answer must be a very simple
> > one, like setting a resource or something. But since I don't know how to
> > find the problem, I can't find the solution.
> >
> > Sorry for the lack of information here, but again: I don't know what
> > questions to ask to get started.
>
> Me neither, but lets start with: did you install any font packages?
>
> Also, knowing what version of xfree86 packages you are using would be
> useful, and maybe the output of "grep -i font /etc/X11/XF86*".
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Joost

I believe I have all the important fonts installed.

xfree86 is version 3.3.6-11potato

Here is the grep: 

/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "tcp/localhost:7100"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
/etc/X11/XF86Config:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath
"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath
"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath
"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath
"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
/etc/X11/XF86Config.bak:FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
/etc/X11/XF86Config~:   FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
ÐJ

Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

> 
> What I would like to see, in the light of LSB, would be that
> 
> 1) A transparent way to install LSB-compliant rpms in Debian is
> implemented. Preferably one should be able to install rpms with 'dpkg'
> command line tool, although an automatic format transform with 'alien'
> could be performed behind the scenes.
> 

# apt-get install rpm
# rpm -i --nodeps foo.rpm

> 2) Assuming that I am not misinformed about the functional
> compatibility of dpkg and rpm, a LONG TERM goal for transforming
> Debian to rpm base is issued. This would include adding rpm support
> for all Debian package management tools, and transition tools for the
> database contents, etc.
> 

Debian is working with a group from RH and elsewhere on a interchangeable
packaging system, but it is a ways off.

That said the LSB does not _FORCE_ any Linux dist to abandon their own work. 
It simply requires the dist to allow rpms to be installed easily.  alien does
this for most people.

RPM is not inherently bad.  RH (and others) simply do not have a common
standards set that must be followed like Debian does.  There are a few places
where each format (rpm and deb) surpass the other.  However most of the
perceived differences are actually in the _use_ of the system and not a lack of
features.  However, Debian will not just give up on dpkg and no one has told us
that we must.

Re: [users] Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Ethan Benson]

On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:08:04AM +0200, Martin F. Krafft wrote:
> 
> sure, that would be a possiblity, but rather than merging and going
> with redhat (come on, they are walking micro$oft footsteps), DEB is
> very powerful and can easily exist by itself. a little
> cross-compatibility is needed, but rather than surrendering and
> converting to RPM, it should be the community's goal to establish DEB
> at least to be a second standard, causing vendors and distributors to
> package with DEB as well as RPM.
> 
> just my 2 pfennige. i would really hate to see DEB go away.

exactly, and alien provides any cross compatibility needed, someone
was also talking about a dpkg-rpm which would do the conversion more
on the fly (and i would hope always turn off --force-overwrite...).

i would still consider it utterly foolish for anyone to actually
install an rpm of any sort on a debian system, as i do now.  LSB does
not define hardly any policy about putting together decent packages so
the current /contrib hell of rpmland will not change.  

IMNSHO the LSB seriously erred on this, the .deb format makes far more
sense as a baseline package format standard then rpm for the simple
reason that the .deb format isn't really a format, its just an ar
archive with gzipped tarballs!  those formats are nearly the oldest
*real* standards as you can get with *nix.  .deb can be extracted on
ANY OS, even an old decrepid proprietary UNIX host.  a baseline
standard package format should be something that does not require
special tools to deal with, tar.gz and .deb meet that criteria, rpm
does not.  you can for example extract a .deb on a stock slackware
system, not true of rpm.  (unless slackware started including rpm in
the base since i last looked..)

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Re: newbie tip

[Jürgen A. Erhard]

> "will" == will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

will> look -- an objection! it's about time...
will> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 02:21:13PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 10:03:15PM -0500, will trillich wrote:
>> ...
>> > -- 
>> > DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #56 from Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> > :
>> > Troubled by DOS-FORMAT OR MAC-FORMAT TEXT FILES? Here's another
>> > way to deal with those troublesome ^M characters: a simple
>> >tr -d '\015' < dos.file
>> > should do the trick.  While we're on the subject, a Mac file
>> > can be converted with
>> >tr '\015' '\012' < mac.file
>> > You can do all your CR/LF translations with tr as long as you
>> > can remember that macs use CRs, *nices use LFs, and DOS uses
>> > CRLF.
>> 
>> I object to classifying this as a NEWBIE tip:) There are better and
>> simpler ways to achieve this, the tip as is will only scare people,
>> fails to deal with the eof char, and doesn't *replace* the original
>> file (the thing newbies are likely to expect).  Better advice to use
>> one of the many special programs for this simply task.

Agreed.  And it doesn't convert CRLF to LF, it simply kills any CR.
;-)

will> i do have other tips that deal with this snag (some perl, some
will> vim) -- and if you'd like to recommend a different solution, i'd
will> be delighted to include it in my list (properly attributed, of
will> course)...

dos2unix from sysutils.  (No Mac conversion, however... but then
again, most people need to convert MS-DOS files anyway).

Never used anything else, and certainly wouldn't use tr for this.
dos2unix is a lot simpler than this tr solution... "dos2unix
dos.file", done.  (Of course you might have this in your list
already...)

Alternatively, mention recode.  But... that's lots more powerful, and
thus a lot more complicated.  (You *could* mention recode in a short
sentence "For universal recoding problems, there's recode" or
s.th. like that.  *Pointers* to advanced tools/topics are a good
thing, IMHO... always give people the option to learn.  It's not our
fault if people don't learn... but it is our fault if we don't show
them where they can).

Bye, J

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networking script in Debian

[Wing]

I have a simple question. In the boot up of the debian system, how and 
whenthe /etc/init.d/networking script in debian get called? I expect to find 
aS10networking in rc2.d directory but there wasn't. Would you mind clue me 
in?Also, I want to install a static routes when boot up. Is there a 
standardplace in debian for me to edit? e.g. in redhat I go to 
/etc/sysconfig/static-route.Thanks in advance! 

Re: [users] Re: Time to fight for our beloved DEB format!

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

> IMNSHO the LSB seriously erred on this, the .deb format makes far more
> sense as a baseline package format standard then rpm for the simple
> reason that the .deb format isn't really a format, its just an ar
> archive with gzipped tarballs!  those formats are nearly the oldest
> *real* standards as you can get with *nix.  .deb can be extracted on
> ANY OS, even an old decrepid proprietary UNIX host.  a baseline
> standard package format should be something that does not require
> special tools to deal with, tar.gz and .deb meet that criteria, rpm
> does not.  you can for example extract a .deb on a stock slackware
> system, not true of rpm.  (unless slackware started including rpm in
> the base since i last looked..)
> 

I agree with you 100% -- except you left out a few points which explain how
they made the decision.

a) there are 3 established dists that use rpm plus numerous small ones
b) most proprietary software, if released for linux, is released as rpms already
c) tied to b) companies like to deal with companies, RH provides this
d) as part of a) there are like 3 (maybe as high as 6 or more) to 1 more people
using rpm than deb

yes we all dislike rpm for our own reasons.  however the decision that the lsb
made does make sense.  The lsb is not meant to help you or me.  It is meant to
help companies support linux.  companies understand RH and rpm better than they
do debian.  Other than Progeny I can not name any company that supports Debian
today.  Do a quick count of the ones that support RH or RH based dists (plus
SuSE and its bastard rpms).