Re: StarOffice
Adam Bell wrote: > > BTW, as long as we're on the subject... > > If you managed to get it to install, maybe I should ask you this...how do > you manager to run 5.2 as some user other than root? > > --adam b. I always install it using the /net option and specifying to install in /usr/local/share (just my preference--could be anywhere). Then log in as the user you wish to install for and cd /home/your_user and simply running the command /your_install_directory/office52/program/soffice from the user's home directory will install a network version for that user. It only uses about 4.5 Mb per user, and allows for extreme customizations. -- AdVance-Computing Systems We sell fine quality servers and workstations. We specialize in multiprocessor units. We install Debian Linux at no extra charge! John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173
Re: 128 bit encryption netscape?
> "Pollywog" == Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Pollywog> On 30-Jul-2000 Mathew Johnston wrote: >> is there a 128 bit encryption netscape package floating around? >> I cant find it in my packages list. Pollywog> Sounds as though you are looking for the 'Fortify' Pollywog> package. ...except fortify does not work with Netscape 4.73 or above. (unless this has been fixed...) -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
I definitely came to debian after two other distributions (Red Hat and SuSE). Part of it is that Debian is not seen on many Store shelves. I had to seek it out based on reputation. Part of it also is that the initial installation is not slick. For me that is now part of its attraction. I should explain that, while apt-get is truly slick after you have set up your machine, and the ftp-installation is very nice, the menu's are relatively low level. In fact, they look alot like the Red Hat 4.1 installation. As you move to a different installation, Please keep the old one as an option. If it were not for Debian, I would not have been able to install linux on my laptop (initial PCMCIA problems that prevented booting.) ATC, I should think you would prefer Debian as the last DIST. as opposed to the first of many. Incidentally, the release times have had some significant consequences. The High Performance Computing Center where I get my cycles just changed a very nice cluster from Debian to Red Hat because the stable release is not very friendly to SMP, even though potato is. While it is true that you have had nimor releases, I believe they kept the same kernel (is this true?). If I am right, then to keep users, you should try to update kernels in minor releases. -- Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: 128 bit encryption netscape?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:07:22PM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > ...except fortify does not work with Netscape 4.73 or above. > (unless this has been fixed...) correct, and i don't think they plan on fixing it since anyone can freely download the strong crypto enabled netscape binaries. my opinion on the matter is that debian should create a navigator-smotif-blah-128.deb and toss it in non-US/non-free. but i will leave that to debian-legal to decide. does anyone know if debian is going to package 4.74 netscape binaries? -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpAAHcpjdsrQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: alternatives to fdisk
Arcady Genkin wrote: > What alternatives to fdisk are there? I remember I used one once, but > shoot me if I remember the name. ;^) cfdisk comes to mind ... it's what I use when possible. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: current Redhat user evaluates Debian
"John L. Fjellstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm a current RedHat user (started with Linux on RedHat because it was > available at Fry's), and I'm currently evaluating Debian for a > possible switch. > > Can anyone come up with a list of advantages of using Debian Linux > over Redhat Linux? I would also love to hear any the weaknesses > Debian has compared RedHat. Try looking at: http://www.infodrom.ffis.de/~joey/Debian-Advantages-HOWTO.txt and: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian --Miguel
Re: current Redhat user evaluates Debian
I was the originator of the ms-chat/ms-chap error. I was told about it in a phone call with my UNIX help desk. At any rate, can anyone tell me how to get it running on a potato machine? I see the chap-secrets file. Is chap actually ms-chap? -- Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: t-dsl
On Jul 30 2000, Mithrandir wrote: > Ich have a question too all of you, concerning t-dsl. Where can I > get a Kernel-patch for the pppoE (it would be nice, if it is for > 2.3.99, but if not no problem (I hope)). This may sound like a silly question, but what is the use/purpose of PPP over Ethernet? Why is it better than setting up a connection with ifconfig eth0? Sorry if this sounds newbie-ish, but I'm just learning Linux networking... Please educate me! thx! bob
Downgrades using apt (was: Re: Old ? Revisited.)
On Jul 30 2000, montefin wrote: > I'd really like to hear about the reversability, bi-directionality, > whatever, capablilities built into apt-get, dselect and dpkg. > > Has anyone actually done or at least attempted this? No, I haven't done this, but I think that you may get something similar to what you want if you: 1 - change your sources.list to include the older version of Debian 2 - apt-get update 3 - use apt-get with the --reinstall option. Perhaps if you did something like apt-get --reinstall dist-upgrade it would do what you want. > Thanks for any light anyone can shed, Hope this helps you at least a tiny bit, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: .deb packages and X
Potato has 3.3.6 also. -- Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: Planner/PIM/Calendar Packages
Also, as you may have gathered from other discussion, Helix has a very nice packaging of GNOME and also Enlightenment, which includes a PIM. Supposedly Outlook-like (and hence the heated discussion). Helix GNOME is very nice if you want GNOME (though it requires a few packages from woody). Haven't tried enlightenment, which is at a rather early stage of development. I don't know if Enlightenment requires GNOME. Also, emacs has a bunch of scheduling/planning capabilities if that it to your taste. Let us know what you find, and what your reactions are. At 08:27 PM 7/23/2000, Mark Wagnon wrote: Wow, so many choices! Thanks guys, I guess I'll be fiddling around with these to see which on I like the best. -- ) Mark Wagnon ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) ( Chula Vista, CA (( -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Why not Standard, Pre-Release, and Development versions?
Is there any requirement that Debian releases _must_ be labeled Stable, Frozen and Unstable? IMO, those labels are misleading and/or unnecassrily pejorative. Certainly, today, Slink is the current Standard Debian version. Soon it will be displaced, as the Standard version, by Potato, which hopefully will soon emerge from its Pre-Release lockdown. Woody will stay in Development until it locks into Pre-Release. Just a thought, montefin
Re: t-dsl
On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:04:45 -0300, Linux Newbie writes: > This may sound like a silly question, but what is the >use/purpose of PPP over Ethernet? Why is it better than setting up a >connection with ifconfig eth0? Afaik Deutsche Telekom uses PPPoE for authentication/billing purposes, so he may not have the choice... &rw
Re: t-dsl
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:12:18AM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:04:45 -0300, Linux Newbie writes: > > This may sound like a silly question, but what is the > >use/purpose of PPP over Ethernet? Why is it better than setting up a > >connection with ifconfig eth0? > > Afaik Deutsche Telekom uses PPPoE for authentication/billing purposes, > so he may not have the choice... As do many state-side DSL providers. Basically it's cheaper for the ISP to terminate DSL with PPPoE and they can get some of the 'benefits' of PPP like some basic authentication and accounting. Since it's cheaper for the ISP, it's often the only choice for consumers. -- Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor. Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day. Netscum, Bane of Elves.
Re: Why not Standard, Pre-Release, and Development versions?
> "montefin" == montefin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: montefin> Is there any requirement that Debian releases _must_ be montefin> labeled Stable, Frozen and Unstable? montefin> IMO, those labels are misleading and/or unnecassrily montefin> pejorative. Not sure what the problem is... montefin> Certainly, today, Slink is the current Standard Debian montefin> version. so, the following symlinks are currently used: stable --> slink frozen --> potato unstable --> woody montefin> Soon it will be displaced, as the Standard version, by montefin> Potato, which hopefully will soon emerge from its montefin> Pre-Release lockdown. When potato is officially released, the sym-links will change: stable --> potato unstable --> woody If I have missed the point, somebody else can fill in the details I missed ;-). -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: t-dsl
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:12:18 +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: >On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:04:45 -0300, Linux Newbie writes: >> This may sound like a silly question, but what is the >>use/purpose of PPP over Ethernet? Why is it better than setting up a >>connection with ifconfig eth0? > >Afaik Deutsche Telekom uses PPPoE for authentication/billing purposes, >so he may not have the choice... That's right, as do lots of ISP's around the world... -- Sign the EU petition against SPAM: L I N U X .~. http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/The Choice /V\ of a GNU /( )\ Generation ^^-^^
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
> "MS" == Mark Suter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MS> My estimate of 2/5 is based on an understanding of all members, MS> a fair few of whom don't bring their boxes to the meetings and MS> treat the meetings as social occasions. *cough* Are you sure they've not just cottoned on to the fact, that in Australia at least, apt-get upgrades are _much_ less painfull when you can use the free (and generally at least 10bT ethernet) link at such LUGs? ;-) (Just for the record: I installed rexx (1.2) on my 386SX laptop in late 1996; played with slack for a bit (2.6? or something). Got the infomagic August '97 set, installed all of those (RH4.2, bo (1.3) and some other slackware version); Stayed with bo; Installed RH5.0 when it came out, hated it, and I've used Debian everywhere ever since.) Regards, Edward. -- Edward C. Lang woot on various channels on irc.openprojects.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Normal mail. Most stuff ends up here anyway. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Debian mail. Finger this address for keys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - If you don't know what this is for, don't use it.
Re: Xf86 xonfig for Compaq Deskpro TFT5000
false alarm yet again, apologies for wasting the bandwidth. the reason for X dying was that while upgrading i removed the old window manager and forgot to install the new version. btw, it said so right there in .Xsession.errors. thanks for all responses. yet, not all is well - X occasionally blanks out, as if going into the popwer safe mode, evan as i type or move the cursor. does it happen to anyone else? any suggestions? tia, -a "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > try including the output of the X server in any email when you have X > issues. > > start X via: > > startx >&X.log > > X.log will contain all output from the server. > > ive run many g400s and havent had a problem. > > nate > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Aaron Stromas wrote: > > aaron. >hi, > aaron. > > aaron. >i'm having very little success configuring X (v 3.3.6-10) on this > compaq > aaron. >machine. it has matrox millenium g400 agp video card which calls for > aaron. >XF86_SVGA server. i got the the hsync and vsync values from the > monitor > aaron. >spec, 32-60 and 57-85, respectively but X dies without giving any > hints > aaron. >that i can understand. > aaron. > > aaron. >could someone who has this system and got x running send me their > aaron. >XF86Config? please cc me in your reply as i'm currently off the list. > aaron. >tia, > aaron. > > aaron. >-- > aaron. >Aaron Stromas| "Tick-tick-tick!!!... ja, Pantani is weg..." > aaron. >Oracle Corp | BRTN commentator > aaron. >+1 703.708.68.21 | L'Alpe d'Huez > aaron. >1995 Tour de France > aaron. > > aaron. > > aaron. > > aaron. >-- > aaron. >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > aaron. > > > ::: > http://www.aphroland.org/ > http://www.linuxpowered.net/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 5:27pm up 11 days, 54 min, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.17, 0.08 -- Aaron Stromas| "Tick-tick-tick!!!... ja, Pantani is weg..." Oracle Corp | BRTN commentator +1 703.708.68.21 | L'Alpe d'Huez 1995 Tour de France
Re: sound
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 08:55:01PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote: > I'm trying to configure my yamaha oplsa sound card. I'm running linux > kernel 2.2.16 and sound is configured in the kernel. From dmesg it > appears that everything is working: > > Sound initialization started > Found OPL3-SAx (YMF719) > at 0x330 irq 9 dma 0 > Sound initialization complete > > Where do I go from here? How do I get sound working? If I run esd from > the command line it returns /dev/dsp: no such device. I'm in the > process of RTFM now. There are two HOWTOs that deal with sound. (www.linuxdoc.org) Maybe that helps -- Thomas Guettler Office: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.interface-business.de Private: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://yi.org/guettli
Re: sound
> Found OPL3-SAx (YMF719) > at 0x330 irq 9 dma 0 > Sound initialization complete > > Where do I go from here? How do I get sound working? If I run esd from > the command line it returns /dev/dsp: no such device. I'm in the > process of RTFM now. hi ! goto /dev and enter : ./MAKEDEV audio than you have /dev/dsp .. normaly Sebastian Deppe
dselect and dpkg parse error in the status file
Hi, I am not able to run dselect and dpkg any more (I think this happened after a crash). Dselect starts but does not let me select any files and exits (same problem with dpkg -i), both giving the following error message: dpkg: parse error, in file /var/lib/dpkg/status near line 22784 package `xezmlm`: file details field 'Filename' not allowed in status file. When I manually delete the xezmlm package entry entry form the status file, I get a similar error for a different package, different line. Any ideas out there of why this is happening? Please reply directly by email to me. Cheers Dimitris
Re: Starting GNOME (newbie question)
Hi Marco, Just put 'exec gnome-session' in your .xsession or .xinitrc file. Then use the Gnome setup utility to make Sawfish the default WM. HTH Regards JohnG John Gould - Systems Support Engineer Power Innovations Limited Tel: +44 1234 223002 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Windows here, 's very dark! 32865e97b5342e762ab140e00f3da23b - Just 'Debian' On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Marcio Rosa da Silva wrote: > I installed helix-gnome in my notebook and I want to know how to start > it. What should I put in my .xinitrc file? I tried sawfish directly, but > it doesn't work. > > Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm a fvwm user and I'm used to put > fvwm2 in my .xinitrc and create a .fvwm2rc and it's all! :-) > > []s, > > Marcio > > > /*** > * MARCIO ROSA DA SILVAe-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * Assistant Professor [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * Electrical Engineering Department > * Universidade do Vale do Rio dos Sinos - UNISINOS > * Av. Unisinos, 950 > * Sao Leopoldo - RS - Brazil > * Phone: +55 51 590- R:1781/1782 > * FAX: +55 51 590-8172 > * http://www.eletrica.unisinos.br/~marcio > ***/ > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
MC
As an ex Rred Hat user, my midnight commander left me in the current working directory when I F10 out of it. The Debian version dumps me back to the original directory. Is there any way to convert my Debian potato MC to the redhat style? regards Chris
Re: Boot floppy [URGENT] [SOLVED]
Hi Richard, yes it's nearly what i did but when i wrote to the mailing list i forgot to mention the work on lilo.conf. Richard Lindner wrote: > > Although what you suggest will hopefully be fine, you'd be far wiser not > to overwrite the old kernel until you've verified that the new one is > working as you wish. Copy your new kernel to (say) /vmlinuz.new, and > edit /etc/lilo.conf to include both it and the old kernel. Also make > sure the "prompt" option is included - lilo.conf is well commented so > you shouldn't have too many problems. If the wheels fall off your new > kernel, you've then still got the old one to fall back to at boot time. > > -- > Richard Lindner Intrepid Adventurer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph:+61 (0)419 354 310 >What a long, strange trip it's been -- _ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ _ _ __ _ |_ _|| _|| | | _|| _|| _ || \/ | | ||_ _|| _ || | | || _ | | | | _|| |_ | _|| |_ | _ || \/ | | | | | | _ || |_ | || _ | |_| |___||___||___||___||___||_||_| |_| |_| |_| |_||___||_||_| |_| [EMAIL PROTECTED] - South European @ccess Back Bone -- http://www.seabone.net/ --- Fabio Massimo Di Nitto | Debian GNU/Linux Woody 2.2.16 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | running on mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Laptop AMD K6-2 400Mhz 64Mb
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
At 12:48 2000/07/31 +0900, you wrote: Adam Scriven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, for him to go to 2.2, and get the upgrades that he wants, he > needs to reinstall. He has no problem with this, and I've recommend > Debian, but no matter how "stable" the frozen version is, it IS > STILL frozen, and not the officially released version, so he's not > comfortable switching to it. Upgrading from slink to potato is a breeze. Besides potato is rumored to become stable in August. That's good news, anyway. I've been running and updating potato regularly for about a year without any major trouble. And I've been running it for 6 months, probably. Some minor hiccups, but nothing I couldn't handle. I guess the biggest hickup was caused by updating to emacs20-20.7. It screwed my gnus setup, but installing the seperately packaged gnus package fixed everything. Note, these ripples were caused by changes within potato and had nothing to do with upgrading from slink. I understand, but that's partially my point. Potato was still changing, but to change from 2.0.36 RH to 2.0.36 Debian doesn't make any sense to him, since he's got his RH system working just as he wants, and he understands it enough to be relatively comfortable with it. Has he ever tried a RedHat x.0 release? From what I heard these are as buggy as, likely even buggier than, Debian's frozen releases. It is just what an organization is prepared to call an official release. I don't think he's ever tried a X.0 release, but that's just a question of timing. Living in rural Ontario there are no computer stores anywhere that carry Linux, so he buys stuff when he comes up here to visit me, or if I bring stuff down to him. As soon as it's available in stores (or I get my CD burner), I'll bring him a copy of the potato CD, but that'll be a stable version of potato (or _very_ close too, from a release schedule POV). > So that leaves him with RedHat, since he understands it. Sounds like he doesn't want to (or can't) put in some effort. He puts in as much effort as he can afford, for a hobby. He uses it for checking e-mail, he's looked into getting completely rid of Windows and using Linux exclusively (and he would if he could find a couple of replacements for windows programs that he likes). Soon he'll be delving into the wonders of kernel re-compilation, and yes, when people get over that hurdle, it's much easier to do certain things. My point was, and continues to be, that Debian, with the slow release schedule, has had people avoid it. They're looking for an officially released version, with the options that they need. He's perfectly happy to stay with 2.0.36. Diald works, he understands his system enough that it does what he wants, but he recognizes that it would do more things, and it would do the same things better, if he were to use some of the features he's heard about in 2.2, but officially Debian doesn't support it yet, even though it's been out for a very long time. Thanks again! Adam Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Annoying message
Hi, I sometimes get this message when I run programs in xterm as root: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" It doesn't seem to prevent anything from running but is annoying none the less. Anyone know how to get rid of this thing? It seems to be a permission-thingy, but as it comes only when I'm logged in as root, that's a bit odd. Or isn't it?:-) Gudmundur
What is this?
Hi, I sometimes get this message when I run programs in xterm as root: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server It doesn't seem to prevent anything from running but is annoying none the less. Anyone know how to get rid of this thing? It seems to be a permission-thing, but as it comes only when I'm logged in as root, that's a bit odd. Or isn't it?:-) Gudmundur
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:03:57PM -0400, Adam Scriven wrote: > Also, as you mentioned, kernel 2.4 is out now, however many "known > problems" it has, it is out. it is not the final version. it has many problems right now, the current 2.4-kernels are still beta... moritz -- /* Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * http://hp9001.fh-bielefeld.de/~moritz/ * PGP-Key available, encrypted Mail is welcome. */
Re: dselect and dpkg parse error in the status file
> "DD" == Dimitris Dracopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DD> Hi, DD> I am not able to run dselect and dpkg any more (I think this DD> happened after a crash). DD> Dselect starts but does not let me select any files and exits DD> (same problem with dpkg -i), both giving the following error DD> message: ... DD> Any ideas out there of why this is happening? Could be a crash. However, you can regenerate the /var/lib/dpkg/available database with this command: # apt-get dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available This needs to be done as root, and preferably after a recent apt-get update. Regards, Edward. -- Edward C. Lang woot on various channels on irc.openprojects.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Normal mail. Most stuff ends up here anyway. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Debian mail. Finger this address for keys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network Printing, from an Apple, to Debian.
Hey all. I'm picking up a new computer tomorrow, that will be a fileserver on my home network. One of the things I need it to do is share files/printer with Windows (samba) and Macs (netatalk+asun). I've setup and run both of those programs on other systems, so that's OK. My problem is, I need the printer (Canon BJC-1000) to be available to the Mac as a LaserWriter (since the Mac+ that I have only reliably prints to a LaserWriter, AFAIK). I found a website with information on how to do it, but I've since lost it (stupid crashing netscape 8-( ). Does anyone know if this remains to be possible? I'll (of course) be running Debian Potato on the fileserver, so the netatalk and samba stuff is dead easy, but I'm not certain if this special driver is provided in dselect, and I forget what it's called in any case. Thanks for any help! Adam Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Annoying message
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gu=F0mundur_Erlingsson?= wrote: >Hi, > >I sometimes get this message when I run programs in xterm as root: > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" > > >It doesn't seem to prevent anything from running but is annoying none the >less. Anyone know how to get rid of this thing? It seems to be a >permission-thingy, but as it comes only when I'm logged in as root, that's a >bit odd. Or isn't it?:-) Well, it will have stopped _something_ running. What is happening is that when you become root by running su, XAUTHORITY is not defined (or is defined to root's XAUTHORITY). You need to point XAUTHORITY to the authority file of the user who started the X session, like this: export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority substituting the correct name for `user'. Alternatively, run `xhost +' before becoming root, but this is much less secure. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C "Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed; for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest."Joshua 1:9
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
Hello!
Adam is right, I think. The other distros have had the glibc 2.1 in their
stable releases much earlier than debian, for example.
So I had to install a potato base system about a half year ago (BTW, it runs
fine although it was not even close to the first test cycle that time).
But it is a very uncomfortable way to download packages over a modem 56k
connection. And these connections (or the slightly faster 64k ISDN ones) are
usual here in Germany. So I use a mix of packages from my Slink CD set which
I bought and some new downloaded packages. However, you cannot tell any
normal simple desktop user that he has to download packages to get a distro
with recent packages. Or that he has to obey that some packages of slink
cause problems when installing a 2.2. kernel. So, many people in Germany (or
lets say, really all of my friends using linux) install SUSE with these
absolutely wonderful yast and sax tools and a bunch of, I must confess, more
actual packages from a CD set.
If I want recent software, I compile it myself, so I always get the newest
versions. But I must say, that a selection of recent deb packages installed
is a more comfortable thing then a selection of self-compiled and installed
source-code packages which I cannot uninstall any more. And so IMHO, this is
a real disadvantage of debian, that it releases major updates not very
often.
So, after this issue, I wanna write how I came to use debian and why I'm
convinced of it. It's my first distribution, and I really liked it from the
beginning. Here in Germany, Debian always gets very bad marks in tests
because the PC magazines write that, although it's very reliable it is so
difficult to use. But I think that's not true. I first got hamm (and later
slink) on two CDs bundled with an introduction to debian and the main tools
("CHIP" PC magazine). And I got it installed quite without problems. The
only thing which I regarded as bad were some really outdated packages in
hamm (see the above issue). Some months later, I helped a friend who had
problems with a SUSE setup. When I wanted to configure something, YAST
crashed, and after this I was absolutely convinced of using debian and not
SUSE because debian tools work reliably. SUSE has not even a tool like
modconf!!!
When I had to install Linux on a SparcStation IPX at school which only had a
floppy drive and a network connection, I was very glad that I could install
the base system using a nice set of boot floppies. I don't think this is
easily possible with RedHat!? This machine which is used as file server has
never crashed for months now.
So far,
Kind Regards,
Stephan Hachinger
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Scriven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Olaf Meeuwissen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
> At 12:48 2000/07/31 +0900, you wrote:
> >Adam Scriven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > So, for him to go to 2.2, and get the upgrades that he wants, he
> > > needs to reinstall. He has no problem with this, and I've recommend
> > > Debian, but no matter how "stable" the frozen version is, it IS
> > > STILL frozen, and not the officially released version, so he's not
> > > comfortable switching to it.
> >
> >Upgrading from slink to potato is a breeze. Besides potato is rumored to
> >become stable in August.
>
> That's good news, anyway.
>
> >I've been running and updating potato regularly for about a year without
> >any major trouble.
>
> And I've been running it for 6 months, probably.
> Some minor hiccups, but nothing I couldn't handle.
>
> >I guess the biggest hickup was caused by updating to emacs20-20.7. It
> >screwed my gnus setup, but installing the seperately packaged gnus
package
> >fixed everything. Note, these ripples were caused by changes within
> >potato and had nothing to do with upgrading from slink.
>
> I understand, but that's partially my point. Potato was still changing,
> but to change from 2.0.36 RH to 2.0.36 Debian doesn't make any sense to
> him, since he's got his RH system working just as he wants, and he
> understands it enough to be relatively comfortable with it.
>
> >Has he ever tried a RedHat x.0 release? From what I heard these are as
> >buggy as, likely even buggier than, Debian's frozen releases. It is just
> >what an organization is prepared to call an official release.
>
> I don't think he's ever tried a X.0 release, but that's just a question of
> timing.
> Living in rural Ontario there are no computer stores anywhere that carry
> Linux, so he buys stuff when he comes up here to visit me, or if I bring
> stuff down to him.
> As soon as it's available in stores (or I get my CD burner), I'll bring
him
> a copy of the potato CD, but that'll be a stable version of potato (or
> _very_ close too, from a release schedule POV).
>
> > > So that leaves him with RedHat, since he understands it.
> >
> >Sounds like he doesn't want to (or can't) put in some effort.
>
> He puts in
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:03:57PM -0400, Adam Scriven wrote: > Also, as you mentioned, kernel 2.4 is out now, however many "known > problems" it has, it is out. 2.2 has "known problems" as well, it just has > less of them. However, 2.2 in some incarnations has proven useful and stable. The evidence thus far indicates that 2.4 is only useful for a desktop which may crash (and in your case, this may be a point for you). > Which means that Debian, for all it's good things (and I am using it, and I > will continue to use it, because I like it), is SLOW in it's release > schedule, and this IS a deterrent for some intelligent people, who are > LEARNING Linux. Why is this a deterrent? At least the existing behavior is well documented. Quick releases don't equal quality releases. Hang out on the devel list for a while if you doubt the competence of the people who are actually *engineering* Debian ... > I don't find the argument of a slow distribution schedule silly in the > least, and to be perfectly honest, I find the attitude rather condescending. Ah, but that's not what I said! If you had read what I wrote, I said it's silly to make decisions regarding a distribution depending on which *kernel* is included, which is what *you* said. > Linux is a wonderful tool. We all know it. But it IS just that, a > tool. If a distribution, no matter how good it's intentions, can't keep > up, then it will be relegated to the footers of history, and the world will > turn around it. Hmm, Debian has been receiving more press, not less. Perhaps technical excellence actually is more important that bleeding edge releases? > I don't want to see this happen with Debian. It won't. > I apologize for the rant, and I hope I didn't offend anyone too much, but > this attitude is one of the things that's personally stopping me from > learning more about Linux. Which attitude is that? The current "frozen" release is extremely usable and well supported via written documentation and the mailing lists. The "unstable" distribution is also well supported; it's just known to be, well, unstable (since it undergoes active development). This is true in any software project; some just choose to release before complete testing (RedHat). > Some of us learn slower, or just differently. Seeing all the pluses of > Debian, including the philosophy behind it (which I happen to agree with), > I get frustrated having to tell people, who are less than comfortable with > Linux, to use an (IMHO) inferior distribution, merely to get the options > that they need. Someone else already posted why Debian should be the *first* distribution that a Linux newcomer tries, so I won't go into that here. I will say that Debian's technical excellence makes it the superior distribution, so I don't know which inferior distribution you're talking about. If you think Debian is inferior because it doesn't always have the latest and greatest, then I suggest you learn how to grab the source and compile. If you're unwilling to do that, perhaps Debian (and Linux) isn't for you. I apologize if *that* sounds elitist, but, well, it is. Being elitist is the point of using Linux; otherwise you can stick with the huddled masses using Microsoft. Welcome to Linux! I hope you enjoy your stay. -- Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation" Network Engineer GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/ Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73 8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7 pgpRchkbxoWm9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:09:28PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: > If I am right, then to keep users, you should try to update kernels in > minor releases. The kernel is upgraded in point releases when justified (an exploit for example). However, there's no way Debian can release a new major kernel revision in a point release and still call it stable (think about a "feature freeze" as to why this is the case). More to the point, there's no reason a user can't upgrade the kernel themselves! -- Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation" Network Engineer GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/ Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73 8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7 pgpNqU8RhdMiq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Network Printing, from an Apple, to Debian.
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:21:46AM -0400, Adam Scriven wrote: > Hey all. > > I'm picking up a new computer tomorrow, that will be a fileserver on my > home network. One of the things I need it to do is share files/printer > with Windows (samba) and Macs (netatalk+asun). I've setup and run both of > those programs on other systems, so that's OK. My problem is, I need the > printer (Canon BJC-1000) to be available to the Mac as a LaserWriter (since > the Mac+ that I have only reliably prints to a LaserWriter, AFAIK). The Mac+ wants to talk Postscript to the Laserwriter, yes? If so, this should be no problem ... I'd use lprng and magicfilter to do the dirty work on the Debian side, and configure netatalk to share out a "Laserwriter" (I've not gotten around to doing this with my lonely Macs at home, alas). HTH, -- Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation" Network Engineer GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/ Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73 8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7 pgpeV4XsLgaty.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MC
Quoting Christopher Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > As an ex Rred Hat user, my midnight commander left me in the current working > directory when I F10 out of it. The Debian version dumps me back to > the original directory. Is there any way to convert my Debian potato MC > to the redhat style? man mc, and look at the -P option and the script given there. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
RE: MC
On 31-Jul-2000 Christopher Clark wrote: > As an ex Rred Hat user, my midnight commander left me in the current working > directory when I F10 out of it. The Debian version dumps me back to > the original directory. Is there any way to convert my Debian potato MC > to the redhat style? > regards Chris There is no RedHat style or Debian style mc. A unix program cannot change the working directory of his parent process, so mc can't change the working dir of the shell from which you've started it. To do the trick, redhat redefines the mc command as a shell function, which executes the real mc, then changes to its last working directory. This is wrong IMO, because the user should decide what he wants, not the package mantainer, and besides the whole thing can be found in the mc manpage, with the shell functions for bash,zsh and tcsh (look at the -P option). So if you're using bash, copy the appropriate function to ~/.bashrc. And you should RTFM before asking.
profiling g++
I'm having trouble profiling g++, gproc produces the following gprof: gmon.out file is missing call-graph data. I'm compiling with -p and running "gproc ./a.out" Are special libraries needed?
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
Quoting Art Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I definitely came to debian after two other distributions (Red Hat and > SuSE). I first tried linux with slackware, but only because it offered installation with umsdos and I had a 500MB 486 with W3.1. X wouldn't do much more than crash in 8MB, leaving me with a garbled screen (the Avance card still does this now, but I know what to do). But using GNU utilities on a real shell was fantastic after the DOS versions. After all, my background was VAX and, before that, IBM 360/370 but with the Cambridge University Phoenix command language, both very flexible. > Part of it is that Debian is not seen on many Store shelves. I > had to seek it out based on reputation. Part of it also is that the > initial installation is not slick. For me that is now part of its > attraction. I should explain that, while apt-get is truly slick after > you have set up your machine, and the ftp-installation is very nice, the > menu's are relatively low level. Agreed. I'm connected, or course, so I'm used to ftp rather than CD distributions. I started Debian (in the days of buzz) because it was so transparent about what it was doing during installation, so I could be sure that my other vital (at that time) partitions were safe. > Incidentally, the release times have had some significant consequences. > The High Performance Computing Center where I get my cycles just changed > a very nice cluster from Debian to Red Hat because the stable release is > not very friendly to SMP, even though potato is. Hm, I can cope with potato, and I'm just a one-man amateur band. I'm not impressed by the HPCC if they can't cope with running frozen. > While it is true that > you have had nimor releases, I believe they kept the same kernel (is > this true?). > If I am right, then to keep users, you should try to update kernels in > minor releases. I can't see why you should want to couple kernel and distribution releases any more than is unavoidable (i.e. dependencies). Debian did a very nice job of supplying sufficient packages for people to move to 2.2 kernels on slink with its old C libraries. BTW it is hardly notable that Debian is the last (final) distribution for people in *this* forum as we're a self-selecting group. The people for whom this is not true will have moved on into other forums... Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
SysInit
Where I find a tree files of SysInitV to Debian ?? I need of files: /etc/initab /etc/init.d/* /etc/rc[S,0-6]/* /etc/default/* /etc/rc.boot/* Thanks, Ednardo Lobo
RE: Annoying message
Hi, and thanks. This works > > > >I sometimes get this message when I run programs in xterm as root: > > > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server" > > > > > Well, it will have stopped _something_ running. > Yeah, but I usually don't run much else than Vim as root, so it hasn't been much of a problem:-) You > need to point > XAUTHORITY to the authority file of the user who started the > X session, > like this: > > export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority > > substituting the correct name for `user'. Cool, that works fine. But I'm not sure into what conf-file I should put it to automate the process. Is it .Xsession or something else? Thanks again, Guðmundur > -- > Oliver Elphick > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C "Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed; for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest."Joshua 1:9 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
sound
I'm trying to install my yamaha opl3-sax? sound card using sndconfig. I have recompiled the kernel with modular sound support and configured the module opl-sa2 with make modules, then modules_install. When I run sndconfig, I get the following error You don't seem to be running a kernel with modular sound x x enabled. (soundcore.o was not found in the module search path). Is there an easier way to do this? The one thing I *really* like about redhat is that sound configuration for a newbie is very easy and uncomplicated. But I'm not having the same ease here. thanks -- dale
Re: t-dsl
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:16:32AM +0200, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:12:18 +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: > > >On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:04:45 -0300, Linux Newbie writes: > >>This may sound like a silly question, but what is the > >>use/purpose of PPP over Ethernet? Why is it better than setting up a > >>connection with ifconfig eth0? > > > >Afaik Deutsche Telekom uses PPPoE for authentication/billing purposes, > >so he may not have the choice... > > That's right, as do lots of ISP's around the world... This sounds like something to look out for when choosing an ISP (not that everyone has the choice, of course). Also, some offer static IPs with DSL while others do not (or charge outrageous amounts for them). I was pleasantly surprised that all I had to do to configure my DSL connection was to use one ifconfig and one route statement. -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
Re: current Redhat user evaluates Debian
"John L. Fjellstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > it doesn't matter if you have it compiled/installed. modprobe will > automagically load it into memory when you need it. Not sure why > the installation said you could damage(?)/mess up the installation > if you installed a module for a hardware device you don't have. In very few and bad cases this is possible. Imagine you install a SCSI driver and somehow it thinks there really is a SCSI device and you go on and you try to install on that not really existing SCSI device. BOOM. In most cases there are no problems. > I don't know, still getting used to it. What I really liked from > RedHat is that they moved all the startup files into a subdirectory > of /etc/rc.d. Debian (at least 2.1) is using the Solaris style, > i.e. /etc/rc?.d What's the problem? All scripts goes in /etc/init.d and in /etc/rc?.d are Symlinks. This way it's also done by RedHat, but they do it in /etc/rc.d/init.d and /etc/rc.d/rc?.d (IIRC). -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.
[NEWBIE ALERT] Interchangebility of manual install vs dselect/dpkg
Hi, I am relatively new to installing my own Debian system (2.1r4). Until now, I have managed quite well with dselect. However, I haven't been able to get X up and running yet on my video card (a Diamond Viper 550 16Mb). I checked the various faq's and docs and they suggested I install 3.3.6 of X86Free. So I got all those packages and installed them with dpkg. However, I am still not able to get it to work (using the correct server + driver + monitor details). An upgrade to 4.01 hopefully will do it for me - but it is not yet available as a debian package. Now coming to my real question: how interchangeble are the installations done via dpkg/dselect and 'normal' installations via tarballs? I would like to keep dependency information and such, and an updated list of installed software for dselect. With kind regards, -- drs. Jean-Jack M. Riethoven EMBL Outstation - Hinxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 3433929 European Bioinformatics Institute Phone: (+44) 1223 494635 Wellcome Trust Genome CampusFax : (+44) 1223 494468 Hinxton, Cambridge CB10 1SD URL : http://industry.ebi.ac.uk/ UNITED KINGDOM Need to find bioinformatics or molecular biology web sites or resources? Use BioWurld at http://search.ebi.ac.uk:/
questions about Exim
Hi, I've been playing with Exim fora while now, read the docs, looked at some of the examples and as yet, have not found a way to create or use virtual addresses on my server in the same way that apache can handle virt servers. Is this something exim can do? Also, I am working on setting up a server for a guy up here who wants some script to parse through a mailing list 9several hundred people) and send them mail according to keywords indicating previous purchases. Is there something exisitng which will do this, or do I have to write my own? Thanks for your time, Jack
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:09:28PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: > If I am right, then to keep users, you should try to update kernels in > minor releases. The kernel is upgraded in point releases when justified (an exploit for example). However, there's no way Debian can release a new major kernel revision in a point release and still call it stable (think about a "feature freeze" as to why this is the case). More to the point, there's no reason a user can't upgrade the kernel themselves! -- Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation" Network Engineer GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7 http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/ Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73 8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7 Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature The question was "Why is Debian the last, rather than the first, distribution?" To a large degree your response is the answer. People brand new to Linux eat kernels, they don't compile them. So, if you don't want it to be the last distribution, perhaps you shouldn't expect them to compile their own kernels! So, as usual, Debian has to know itself. It IS the last distribution. It requires more than a newbie level of sophistication. It also has large rewards. If Debian decides to change so that it is more accepted by a larger audience, it should find a way to make the point releases stable with the new kernels, and it should not be so exceptionally pure about free/non-free. Regarding kernel updates, there could be two kinds of test cycles. For a point release, you keep the same packages you had with the last major release and test for stability with the current kernel and the new security patches. For the major release, you keep the current Freeze method. I would think, perhaps naively, that the point release test cycles could be more rapid than the major test cycles. -- Arthur H. Edwards AFRL/VSSE Bldg. 914 3550 Aberdeen Ave SE KAFB, NM 87117-5776
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
Adam Scriven wrote: > > At 20:53 2000/07/30 -0500, you wrote: > >On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 10:42:29AM -0400, Adam Scriven wrote: > > > I'm still very much getting used to Debian, however, and the long time > > > between releases is stopping my Dad from switching, since he wants to > > > switch to the most updated release possible if he switches, but even > > > Potato's just 2.2.16/17. > > > >As opposed to what? An unstable 2.3.x release? A 2.4.x with known > >problems? That's a silly argument to not use a distribution (and always > >has been). > > > >Kernel sources are *always* available at www.kernel.org. > > They are, but he's not advanced enough yet to compile his own kernel. > He's a very bright guy, and he'll figure it out eventually, but it's a very > minor hobby for him right now, and he just hasn't gotten there yet. > > But, because of the slow updates, and because it is now 2 releases behind, > it's difficult to argue the change from RedHat to Debian. The only stable > Debian release is Slink, which is 2.0.36. He has that already with RedHat > 5.2 (I think that's what he's got, it's definitely 2.0.36). If he were to > upgrade to RedHat 6, which has been out for quite a long time, he'd get (I > believe) 2.2. The 2.2 kernel has made some great leaps from the 2.0 series > of kernels that he'd like to use (diald upgrades, to mention just one), but > the upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 for RedHat is, AFAIK, rather strange, and > unadvised by RedHat themselves (last I checked). > > So, for him to go to 2.2, and get the upgrades that he wants, he needs to > reinstall. He has no problem with this, and I've recommend Debian, but no > matter how "stable" the frozen version is, it IS STILL frozen, and not the > officially released version, so he's not comfortable switching to it. > So that leaves him with RedHat, since he understands it. > I think your point is well taken. I would argue: 1) The switch from RedHat to Debian is a reinstall. Going from RedHat 5.2 to 6 is a reinstall. One's not a whole lot harder than the other, as far as I know. 2) If he were *already* a Debian user, the switch to 2.2 would have been *extremely* easy, without having to upgrade much else besides the kernel (I know; I've done it). My recollection is that I just had to grab the kernel source package from unstable and didn't have to change *anything* else. 3) Point 2 implies that that will be the situation for future kernels, so he won't run into this hassle (complete reinstallation) again if he goes to Debian. You're really not in the world of OS versions anymore: you can really mix and match in a way that the Debian package system with its dependencies makes very safe. You've probably already told him all this, but thought I'd mention it.
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Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:09:28PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: > > If I am right, then to keep users, you should try to update kernels in > > minor releases. > > The kernel is upgraded in point releases when justified (an exploit > for example). However, there's no way Debian can release a new major > kernel revision in a point release and still call it stable (think > about a "feature freeze" as to why this is the case). > > More to the point, there's no reason a user can't upgrade the kernel > themselves! > Seconded. That's a point I made in an above post: it's really really easy to grab the kernel only from unstable. And don't let "unstable" worry you excessively. Certainly the 2.2. kernel source there is every bit as good as any release of any other dist. I also would make the point that *building* the kernel package is really easy under Debian. See make-kpkg.
compiling errors
hi all i'm having problems compiling a c++ program with g++. the errors that i get are MapCB.o: In function `cMapDisp::cMapDisp(TACTMAP_OBJECT_CLASS)': MapCB.o(.text+0x172): undefined reference to `callback_define_event(int,...)' MapCB.o(.text+0x18a): undefined reference to `callback_define_event(int,...)' MapCB.o(.text+0x1d2): undefined reference to `callback_register_handler(cb_event *, void (*)(void), void *)' MapCB.o(.text+0x1f2): undefined reference to `callback_register_handler(cb_event *, void (*)(void), void *)' it looks like linking errors. when one gets errors like this does this mean that a library (.a or .so) is missing or was a header (.h) not included? thanks pd -- "As a general rule, if you have trouble with the binary system, then probably it is because you do not really understand the decimal system ..." R.W. Hamming
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:50:45AM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote: > The question was "Why is Debian the last, rather than the first, > distribution?" To a large degree your response is the answer. People brand > new to Linux eat kernels, they don't compile them. So, if you don't want it > to be the last distribution, perhaps you shouldn't expect them to compile > their own kernels! So, as usual, Debian has to know itself. It IS the last > distribution. It requires more than a newbie level of sophistication. It also > has large rewards. If Debian decides to change so that it is more accepted by > a larger audience, it should find a way to make the point releases stable > with the new kernels, and it should not be so exceptionally pure about > free/non-free. Regarding kernel updates, there could be two kinds of test > cycles. For a point release, you keep the same packages you had with the last > major release and test for stability with the current kernel and the new > security patches. For the major release, you keep the current Freeze method. > I would think, perhaps naively, that the point release test cycles could be > more rapid than the major test cycles. Hi Arthur, A couple of points: Debian *does* know itself... read -devel sometime. The culture is strong. Sometimes annoyingly so! :) Debian is only "more difficult" for those unwilling to learn. Linux is Linux. Things are in different places across "distributions" and startup/shutdown scripts are different, but where the rubber hits the road in the QUALITY of the packages and software installed on a system, Debian is much better than most Linux systems. The only better model out there is probably the OpenBSD one, which has it's own problems. (This coming from a friend who swears by OpenBSD, I haven't played with it yet. I'm not trolling for flames with that comment.) I have to disagree that Debian should be less "exceptionally pure" about free/non-free. The whole point of the Debian project was to create a free OS/system. It still is. The fact that commercial interests have joined the Linux-bandwagon has no effect on that goal, and we're not in competition with anyone but ourselves. Users and developers alike are part of the process. Don't like how something works, file a bug, start a discussion on -devel or in private mail with the developer responsible for the package. Perhaps they've already started working on a fix. Perhaps not. Tested, stable, working patches always welcome. :) -- Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key fingerprint = DCAF 2B9D CC9B 96FA 7A6D AAF4 2D61 77C5 7ECE C1D2 Public Key available upon request, or at wwwkeys.pgp.net and others. pgpKaWMeJFCD5.pgp Description: PGP signature
CPAN perl mods vs. Debian lib_perl.debs:Solving dependencies
What is the best way to utilize the CPAN perl modules and allow the Debian lib_perl.deb type of installation to coincide? I prefer to use debianized perl mods...but I also NEED modules from CPAN. When I install the cpan bundle it strongly suggests that I remove the perl modules the I have already installed from Debian, in fact it just automatically superceeds them. Is there a way to make these get along? I think that if I try to remove the .deb installations... there will be a lot of unmet Debian dependencies. I have in fact done this once before with the results being a disaster. Any suggestions!! Is there a move to debianize the CPAN mods en masse..maybe Alien could be adapted to do this. -- AdVance-Computing Systems We sell fine quality servers and workstations. We specialize in multiprocessor units. We install Debian Linux at no extra charge! John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173
Re: same debian, new hardware?
Quoting Krzys Majewski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > 3) Make binary images of the old hard drives, automagically paste these > > > onto the new hard drive. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure this is impossible. > > > > You mention SCSI in the old box, but don't say what's the hardware > > in the new box. If IDE, you could install the new disk in the old > > machine, partition it (think about that, of course), mount it on > > /mnt and copy the files onto it with > > cd old-directory-root > > find -xdev | cpio -damp /mnt > > > > Then create a boot floppy, rdev the kernel to the future correct > > device, put the new disk in the new machine, boot it with the floppy > > and run lilo. > > OK, that sounds good. I think my new drive will be IDE, but why does it > matter? I was under the impression that the whole point of SCSI was > to allow easy addition of devices...the old machine was sort of > a hand-me-down, I didn't buy the scsi controller, which is my excuse > for not knowing a whole lot about how it works.. Yes. SCSI does allow for easy connection of devices. But it takes a little more care when setting up the booting strategy because the PC BIOS was designed long before SCSI disks were used in PCs, or even having four IDE drives. > By the way, I don't suppose a similar procedure will work for moving the > Windows partition, or does anyone know? I think not. There are people who clone disks with *precisely* the same hardware (in the same slots etc.). I've not even managed it with functionally the same hardware. > > > 4) Physically install the old hard drives in the new machine. > > > > Make a boot floppy, move the drives, boot with the floppy, > > copy in the same way as above, rdev the floppy (or a copy), > > boot again, this time into the new drive, run lilo. > > > > OK this sounds just like the previous step, except putting the old drives > in the new machine rather than putting the new drive in the old machine, > copying, and then putting it back in the new machine, am I right? Yes. But the old machine may (or may not; I can't remember the size) handle a new IDE drive, whereas the new machine won't, I assume, contain a SCSI card. OK, moving that may be straightforward. OTOH it may produce a resource conflict if the new machine is well endowed. I can't predict. > On the subject of drives, is my existing scsi setup a valuable thing to have > or should > should I just dump the whole thing in the lane and never look back? > Someone told me scsi is "faster" than non-scsi, can I capitalize on this > somehow? It all depends. IDE has become very fast, but the latest variants require good cabling to perform to spec. SCSI has always been a bit of a pain with cabling and termination, but it's great for adding external drives like jaz, CD-RW, etc. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
montefin wrote: > > Nathan E Norman wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:03:57PM -0400, Adam Scriven wrote: > > > > > Linux is a wonderful tool. We all know it. But it IS just that, a > > > tool. If a distribution, no matter how good it's intentions, can't keep > > > up, then it will be relegated to the footers of history, and the world > > > will > > > turn around it. > > > > Snip...Snip...Snip...Here > > > > > The "unstable" distribution is also well supported; it's just known to > > be, well, unstable (since it undergoes active development). This is > > true in any software project; some just choose to release before > > complete testing (RedHat). > > > > > On the heels of the above (the very next message, I swear), the > following from Red Hat appears: > > Announcing... > > Red Hat Linux "Pinstripe" >a Beta release > > Red Hat. Inc. presents a beta release of Red Hat Linux for your > hacking pleasure. First, the regular drill: > >This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux. It is not intended for >mission critical applications. It's not even intended for >non-mission critical applications. Important data should not be >entrusted to Pinstripe, as it may eat it and make loud belching >noises. > > ... > > YadaYada...Yada...I noticed the filesystem retrenchments, kernel > version, etc. But how would you all say this compares with what is > available in Potato? In Woody? > > ... > > * What's new in this beta? > >General system improvements: > o FHS compliant packaging of files >/usr/man is now /usr/share/man >/usr/doc is now /usr/share/doc >/usr/info is now /usr/share/info >See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ for more information > > o Document roots for Apache and anonymous FTP are removed from >/home so it may be automounted. > > o Packages with services are automatically restarted on live >upgrades > > o Expanded LDAP integration > > o Expanded Kerberos integration > >Core system components: > o glibc 2.1.91 > o XFree86 4.0.1, XFree86 4.0.1 runtime environment > o XFree86 3.3.6 X servers included for maximum hardware > compatibility > o GNOME 1.2 > o kernel 2.2.16 > o GCC 2.96 > >Expanded hardware support: > o Basic USB support (mouse and keyboards) > o Expanded hardware accelerated 3-D support > >System service changes: > o inetd replaced by xinetd > o BSD lpr replaced by LPRng > >A sampling of package upgrades: > o GIMP 1.1.24 > o Perl 5.6.0 > o Tcl/Tk 8.3.1 > >A sampling of Package additions: > o SDL, smpeg > o SANE > o gphoto > o MySQL > o AbiWord > o dia > o ispell has been replaced by aspell > o XEmacs > >Next generation development library previews included: > o pango: Unicode font rendering >See http://www.pango.org/ > o Inti: C++ foundation libraries including GTK+ GUI toolkit classes > > Maybe they've been reading this thread and the one about 'current Red > Hat user evaluates Debian'. > > By the way, I really want to say congratulations! The mutual respect > and intelligent focusing on essentials, not personalities, that has been > displayed in these two threads is rare. Especially, as these are issues > close to the raw nerves of why we are all here. > > montefin
Re: current Redhat user evaluates Debian
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 07:36:53PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Some drivers "probe" for their hardware by attempting to access various > ports. In a few pathological cases, the probing by one driver will put > hardware belonging to another into a state that crashes or locks up the > system. This is one of the major headaches of automatic hardware > detection. I see. This is what happened to me once when I tried to load some network module (which was obviously the wrong one) -> machine got locked up. I then rebooted and restarted the process of installing ... (not so bad as partitioning was already done ...) Sven
Re: current Redhat user evaluates Debian
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 05:18:38PM +0200, Stefan Nobis wrote: > What's the problem? All scripts goes in /etc/init.d and in /etc/rc?.d > are Symlinks. This way it's also done by RedHat, but they do it in > /etc/rc.d/init.d and /etc/rc.d/rc?.d (IIRC). It's not a major problem, and certainly not a showstopper. I just indicated one of my preferences regarding directory structure, that is, collect directories that 'belong' together in a subdirectory. -- John__ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quis custodiet ipsos custodes icq: thales @ 17755648
Re: debian- or linux- friendly hardware vendors?
I ran into this site late last night researching Tyan motherboards: http://online.amax.com/amaxcorp/default.asp They have preconfigured systems, using Red Hat, also imply that they will build to order. "I. Tura" wrote: > > In www.gnu.org there is a reference of a hardware vendor that > supplies its > computers with Debian. Don't remember the name. > > > At 18.25 27/7/00 -0700, Krzys Majewski ha escrit: > >Can anyone recommend hardware vendors who will do things like > >put together a machine that is completely linux-compatible, or > >ship me a machine with debian or some other linux already installed, > >if only as a proof of compatibility? I've seen one or two of these > >places on the web, so I know they do exist.. -chris > > > > ___ > Do You Yahoo!? > Achetez, vendez! À votre prix! Sur http://encheres.yahoo.fr > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null -- Bob McGowan Staff Software Quality Engineer VERITAS Software [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:03:50AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote: > 1) The switch from RedHat to Debian is a reinstall. Going from RedHat > 5.2 to 6 is a reinstall. One's not a whole lot harder than the other, > as far as I know. Going from one version to another, even in a point release, in Redhat is a reinstall. I have never (and I used RedHat from 5.2-6.2) been able to upgrade successfully. Either the scripts failed, or it would hose my system. -- John__ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quis custodiet ipsos custodes icq: thales @ 17755648
Aureal sound
I'm attempting to install the Aureal sound drivers, but when i keep getting this error message: /sbin/modprobe au8810 /lib/modules/2.2.15/misc/au8810.o: init_module: Device or resource busy Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.15/misc/au8810.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.15/misc/au8810.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.15/misc/au8810.o: insmod au8810 failed make[1]: [install] Error 255 (ignored) make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/au88xx-1.0.5'attempt any ideas? Justin __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
Adam Scriven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Kernel sources are *always* available at www.kernel.org. > They are, but he's not advanced enough yet to compile his own kernel. > He's a very bright guy, and he'll figure it out eventually, but it's a very > minor hobby for him right now, and he just hasn't gotten there yet. > But, because of the slow updates, and because it is now 2 releases behind, > it's difficult to argue the change from RedHat to Debian. The only stable > Debian release is Slink, which is 2.0.36. He has that already with RedHat > 5.2 (I think that's what he's got, it's definitely 2.0.36). If he were to > upgrade to RedHat 6, which has been out for quite a long time, he'd get (I > believe) 2.2. The 2.2 kernel has made some great leaps from the 2.0 series > of kernels that he'd like to use (diald upgrades, to mention just one), but > the upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 for RedHat is, AFAIK, rather strange, and > unadvised by RedHat themselves (last I checked). > So, for him to go to 2.2, and get the upgrades that he wants, he needs to > reinstall. He has no problem with this, and I've recommend Debian, but no > matter how "stable" the frozen version is, it IS STILL frozen, and not the > officially released version, so he's not comfortable switching to it. > So that leaves him with RedHat, since he understands it. A name is just a name ... (or, as Gertrude Stein puts it: a rose is a rose is a rose) -- that is: STABLE in other distributions often seems less stable as UNSTABLE in Debian. It merely is a label which someone has set upon a bunch of programs. > Also, as you mentioned, kernel 2.4 is out now, however many "known > problems" it has, it is out. 2.2 has "known problems" as well, it just has > less of them. > Which means that Debian, for all it's good things (and I am using it, and I > will continue to use it, because I like it), is SLOW in it's release > schedule, and this IS a deterrent for some intelligent people, who are > LEARNING Linux. Well, one of the things he should learn is that Debian FROZEN indeed seems more stable as other distributions which call themselves STABLE. "Stephan Hachinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hamm (see the above issue). Some months later, I helped a friend who had > problems with a SUSE setup. When I wanted to configure something, YAST > crashed, and after this I was absolutely convinced of using debian and not > SUSE because debian tools work reliably. SUSE has not even a tool like > modconf!!! You see the point? There you are with a version called STABLE which in reality is *UNSTABLE*! (When had you such an experience with FROZEN last?) Regarding the kernel version I can here (with the so called UNSTABLE woody) issue the command: $ apt-cache search kernel-image and receive: kernel-image-2.2.17 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.2.17. kernel-image-2.2.17-compact - Linux kernel binary image. kernel-image-2.2.17-idepci - Linux kernel binary image. kernel-image-2.2.17-ide - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.2.17. kernel-image-2.4.0-test5 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.4.0-test5 (running the latter just now.) Greetings, joachim
SysInit (Red Hat e Debian)
Estou precisando dos arquivos de configuracao responsaveis pela inicializacao do sistema, Red Hat (ou da Conectiva) e Debian. Basicamente os arquivos sao: /etc/initab /etc/init.d/* /etc/rc[S,0-6]/* /etc/default/* /etc/rc.boot/* Pode ser que existam outros dependendo da versao da distribuicao. Se possivel, enviem todos eles compactados (tgz, gz, bz ou etc) Obrigado, Ednardo Lobo
Re: Is Debian the last OS ? (Long reply)
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:03:57PM -0400, Adam Scriven wrote: > But, because of the slow updates, and because it is now 2 releases behind, Not from my perspective. Remember, you always have the choice of upgrading to a "frozen" or "unstable" whenever you like if you /really/ like the bleeding edge. Personally, I've never sat on the stable tree for very long. Linux teleute 2.2.13 #11 Sat Dec 25 00:46:25 PST 1999 i586 unknown -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
I've got a soundbalster 16 in my Debian box. I believe I've got the /etc/isapnp.conf file set up properly, to use IRQ5 for the sound card. However, whenever I do a modprobe sb (or reboot, etc), I get a warning about IRQ 7 having a conflict. Near as I can tell, I have no, none, nada, zippo, zilch reference to IRQ 7 anywhere near isapnp.con, /etc/modutils/, modules.conf, conf.modules, etc. Can anyone help me out here? (Perhaps related, but I'll make a different thread of this once the sound is working, I get errors about "can't locate module psaux" and similar message for smbfx and nfs. Yet these items appear to function correctly.) Thanks! Kent
AMD Processor
Hello, I am going to purchase AMD K6-2 system. I want to know that does Red Hat 6.x support AMD processors or not. Because I have to run some applications which are not avilable on Windows Platform. Looking for your advise Sajjad What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com
Debian 2.1 to Debian 2.2 upgrade.
Hi, I am a systems administrator at the University of New Mexico. I am trying to upgrade approximately 80 Debian Linux boxxen from 2.1 to 2.2. We are currently running slink and we want to move to potato. Here is basically what I am doing: changing /etc/apt/sources.list to use potato apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade I then have two expect scripts to take care of the rest. The problem is, during the upgrade (all questions handled by my expect scripts) I get this termcap or printcap error and then the cpu on the machine I am trying to upgrade freaks out. I do not have this problem if I do not use expect and manually answer all questions. The question is, should I try to "sleep" for a minute or more before running my second expect script (it finishes the upgrade with a dpkg --configure --pending)? Any help would be appreciated...thanks.
Re: AMD Processor
- Original Message - From: "Sajjad Haider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: AMD Processor > Hello, > > I am going to purchase AMD K6-2 system. I want to know that does Red Hat 6.x support AMD processors or not. Because I have to run some applications which are not avilable on Windows Platform. This list is not about RedHat, but about Debian. Jens
Re: apt-move and alternate config file
apt-move is just a perl program calling ftp and rsync, and its config file gets read via the source (.) statement. Just hack it there :) Regards, Robert Varga On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Pat Mahoney wrote: > Is there a way to get apt-move to use an alternate config file > (~/.apt-moverc)? Man page and docs reveal nothing. Tests of various > .apt-move's fail. Should I report this as a wishlist bug? > > -- > Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I cannot overemphasize the importance of good grammar. > . > What a crock. I could easily overemphasize the importance of good > grammar. For example, I could say: "Bad grammar is the leading cause > of slow, painful death in North America," or "Without good grammar, the > United States would have lost World War II." > -- Dave Barry, "An Utterly Absurd Look at Grammar" > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : | I have to disagree that Debian should be less "exceptionally pure" | about free/non-free. The whole point of the Debian project was to | create a free OS/system. It still is. The fact that commercial | interests have joined the Linux-bandwagon has no effect on that goal, | and we're not in competition with anyone but ourselves. I agree. And we should enjoy all those newbies going on RedHat and others. They are learning and if motivated they will turn on debian. Yes, debian is the last OS... to switch to :) -- o-o [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michel Verdier) http://www.chez.com/mverdier
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 12:28:26AM +1000, Mark Suter wrote: > Folks, > > How common is the "Debian last" practice, that is, try other > distributions (including non-GNU/Linux) and then come to Debian > to stay? You know, this reminds me of one of Murphy's Laws: "What you are looking for is always in the last place you look" Which is to say, everytime you look for something, once you find it, you don't look any further. So of course, it's always in the lasy place you look :) Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'
RE: isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
On 31-Jul-2000 Kent West wrote: > I've got a soundbalster 16 in my Debian box. I believe I've got the > /etc/isapnp.conf file set up properly, to use IRQ5 for the sound card. > However, whenever I do a modprobe sb (or reboot, etc), I get a warning > about IRQ 7 having a conflict. Near as I can tell, I have no, none, > nada, zippo, zilch reference to IRQ 7 anywhere near isapnp.con, > /etc/modutils/, modules.conf, conf.modules, etc. I have problems similar to yours with my SB 16 but it is not really a SB 16 because it is a SB 16 VibraX. I know the commercial OSS drivers work on this card, but since OSS drivers for the 2.4.0 test5 kernel are not yet available, I wanted to try something else. I had no success in that endeavor, so I will have to wait for the OSS drivers. Is your SB 16 actually a VibraX? -- Andrew
isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
I've got a soundbalster 16 in my Debian box. I believe I've got the /etc/isapnp.conf file set up properly, to use IRQ5 for the sound card. However, whenever I do a modprobe sb (or reboot, etc), I get a warning about IRQ 7 having a conflict. Near as I can tell, I have no, none, nada, zippo, zilch reference to IRQ 7 anywhere near isapnp.con, /etc/modutils/, modules.conf, conf.modules, etc. I'm using kernel version 2.2.17. "cat /proc/interrupts" reports the soundblaster on IRQ 7 after I do the modprobe; it's not listed at all before the modprobe. Can anyone help me out here? (Perhaps related, but I'll make a different thread of this once the sound is working, I get errors about "can't locate module psaux" and similar message for smbfx and nfs. Yet these items appear to function correctly.) Thanks! Kent
Re: isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
Pollywog wrote: > > On 31-Jul-2000 Kent West wrote: > > I've got a soundbalster 16 in my Debian box. I believe I've got the > > /etc/isapnp.conf file set up properly, to use IRQ5 for the sound card. > > However, whenever I do a modprobe sb (or reboot, etc), I get a warning > > about IRQ 7 having a conflict. Near as I can tell, I have no, none, > > nada, zippo, zilch reference to IRQ 7 anywhere near isapnp.con, > > /etc/modutils/, modules.conf, conf.modules, etc. > > I have problems similar to yours with my SB 16 but it is not really a SB 16 > because it is a SB 16 VibraX. I know the commercial OSS drivers work on this > card, but since OSS drivers for the 2.4.0 test5 kernel are not yet available, > I wanted to try something else. I had no success in that endeavor, so I will > have to wait for the OSS drivers. > > Is your SB 16 actually a VibraX? > The only signifacant label I found on the card says CT2940.
Debian and OpenBSD -- ssh compatibility?
I'm configuring an OpenBSD firewall in front of my Debian box. Current problem is getting compatible versions of ssh on both boxes. I can ssh FROM OpenBSD to Debian, but not TO OpenBSD from Debian. Error message on attempting OpenBSD connection: Disconnecting: Bad packet length 1349676916. ...on the OBSD side, I get the following in /var/log/authlog: Jul 31 05:32:37 jung sshd[32168]: Protocol major versions differ for 192.168.0.32: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH-2.1 vs. SSH-1.5-OpenSSH-1.2.3 I obviously need to get compatible versions of ssh, but I'm not sure which end to even up, or (for the OBSD side) how to do it. My understanding is that OpenSSH 1.2.3 is licensed freely, that SSH-2 is not, and that there isn't a free version of OpenSSH-2 available for Debian. TIA. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpA4uNQ1cmi7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD Processor
Hello! Linux runs on all i80386 compatible microprocessors. So it also runs on a AMD K6-2. But I don't know if any Linux application or lib will use the 3DNow! extension. But this isn't very important. The cpu and coprocessor is supported. Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger - Original Message - From: "Sajjad Haider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: AMD Processor > Hello, > > I am going to purchase AMD K6-2 system. I want to know that does Red Hat 6.x support AMD processors or not. Because I have to run some applications which are not avilable on Windows Platform. > > Looking for your advise > Sajjad > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. > http://www.n2mail.com > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null >
Re: help!
In the lower left hand corner use the start button and select panel, it should say something about adding applet. From there select utilities and pager should be listed somewhere in there. It's easy, no problemo. dale Guest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hello: > > i'm still new to enlightenment.. i accidentally removed the pager from > the desktop and I have no idea on how to make it appear again on the > desktop. > > Can anyone help? > > thank you. > > linuxrules! > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > > -- "Even a positive thing casts a shadowits unique excellence is at the same time it's tragic flaw." --William Irwin Thompson
Re: isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
Pollywog wrote: > > On 31-Jul-2000 Kent West wrote: > > I've got a soundbalster 16 in my Debian box. I believe I've got the > > /etc/isapnp.conf file set up properly, to use IRQ5 for the sound card. > > However, whenever I do a modprobe sb (or reboot, etc), I get a warning > > about IRQ 7 having a conflict. Near as I can tell, I have no, none, > > nada, zippo, zilch reference to IRQ 7 anywhere near isapnp.con, > > /etc/modutils/, modules.conf, conf.modules, etc. > > I have problems similar to yours with my SB 16 but it is not really a SB 16 > because it is a SB 16 VibraX. I know the commercial OSS drivers work on this > card, but since OSS drivers for the 2.4.0 test5 kernel are not yet available, > I wanted to try something else. I had no success in that endeavor, so I will > have to wait for the OSS drivers. > > Is your SB 16 actually a VibraX? > > -- > Andrew I've discovered that if I create a file named /etc/modutils/sound and put in it the line: options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 then I no longer get the error message. The sound card mostly works now. It can't seem to play .WAV files (with splay); and if I move the mouse (PS/2) while playing an MP3 in freeamp the sound gets garbled as long as I'm moving the mouse. Yet a "cat /proc/interrupts" shows the soundblaster to be on 5 and the ps/2 on 12. I've been playing with Linux for two years now, and I just don't comprehend how to get hardware to work properly. Oh well, maybe the market will give me another two years to learn before Linux dominates :-)
RE: Debian and OpenBSD -- ssh compatibility?
On 31-Jul-2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I'm configuring an OpenBSD firewall in front of my Debian box. Current > problem is getting compatible versions of ssh on both boxes. > > I can ssh FROM OpenBSD to Debian, but not TO OpenBSD from Debian. > Error message on attempting OpenBSD connection: > > Disconnecting: Bad packet length 1349676916. > > ...on the OBSD side, I get the following in /var/log/authlog: > > Jul 31 05:32:37 jung sshd[32168]: Protocol major versions differ for > 192.168.0.32: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH-2.1 vs. SSH-1.5-OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > I obviously need to get compatible versions of ssh, but I'm not sure > which end to even up, or (for the OBSD side) how to do it. My > understanding is that OpenSSH 1.2.3 is licensed freely, that SSH-2 is > not, and that there isn't a free version of OpenSSH-2 available for > Debian. > openSSH is free, whether it is 2.0 or 1.x. I am uncertain that we have packaged 2.0 though. An easy solution temporarily is to install 1.2 openSSH on the bsd box.
Re: 128 bit encryption netscape?
Tom Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Take a look at the News section at the fortify site here: > > http://www.fortify.net/intro.html This says that Fortify is on hold, since 128bit Netscape is available worldwide. I knew that already. What I was asking was why the Debian packages don't offer the 128bit version, even though the changelog implies that they do (or so it seems to me---am I misreading it?).. It means that (for non-US people) there's no apt-get way of getting a 128bit Netscape 4.73, whereas there is for 4.72. Presumably there's no change for US people? > Bruce Stephens wrote: [...] > > It seems at odds with the Debian changelog (see 4.73-17) > > http://cgi.debian.org/cgi-bin/get-changelog?package=netscape-base-473>,
Re: Help: Dselect ran out of disk space
Tim Wood wrote: > > Hi, > I managed to do a floppy/ftp install of Potato on an old 4086DX-33 > laptop (8MB RAM 120MB HDD) but ran out of disk space. What's your partitioning look like? What's the output of `df`? If you use cfdisk, are there any partitions you don't see in `df`, i.e. not have mounted? > I used a 16MB swap file. This seems appropriate. > At one point I had in mind to use it as a gateway on my 10base2 LAN but > my current laptop (sorry it's RH6.2 at the moment) and Windoze98SE > desktop are running Seti 24/7 so I'd like to remove all the non > essentials. Do you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a Debian package in non-free. > It is running Distributed.Net OGR but the files are a bit of a mess. > I have tried using Dselect to delete unwanted portions but failed. I got > it to run by manually deleting numerous documents, which I was sure I > could manage without, but would like to be able to use Dselect in the > future. Do you mean that you deleted arbitrary files in /usr/doc? And only in there? > Is there anyway to update the database to reflect what is actually > there? > I'm afraid this happened a few months ago and I don't remember exactly > which files I took out. I have just completed an apt-get update/upgrade > so I presume that the system is in reasonable shape. Only the files which have been updated will have been upgraded. I wonder if running `cruft` would be helpful. > As you will probably guess my Linux exposure is limited. However I'm > quite capable of editing any files. This is the starting skill of the most erudite Linux masters. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-729-5387 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home ph. on Q) http://www.koyote.com/users/bolan RE: xmailtool http://www.koyote.com/users/bolan/xmailtool/index.html RMS of Borg: "Resistance is futile; you shall be freed."
/etc/modules load/don't load
I've recently compiled a 2.2.17 kernel, specifying most everything as modules. Oddly enough, "make menuconfig" won't allow me to specify my mouse (PS/2) as a kernel, instead forcing a "*" in the config box. But that's not my question. I'm trying to get a handle on how modules work. I've commented out all the items in /etc/modules, so that it is in essence an empty file. When I reboot, my ethernet card doesn't work. Yet other items, like vfat and serial and smbfs do load. I thought since vfat and serial and smbfs were loading even though I had previously commented them out of of /etc/modules, that the kmod (or kerneld, or whatever it's called) was automatically loading those modules when a need arose (such as when during bootup the fstab instructed the system to mount a Windows95 partition - although this doesn't explain the smbfs loading, since I don't do any samba mounts automatically during bootup). So my question is: Why are the vfat and serial and smbfs loading when they are commented out of /etc/modules, but the 3c59x module does not load when it's commented out? And my second question: should I specifically load modules via /etc/modules, or should I leave that file empty and let kmod handle the modules? Thanks! Kent
Re: questions about Exim
In article >[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, >I've been playing with Exim fora while now, read the docs, looked at some of >the examples and as yet, have not found a way to create or use virtual >addresses on my server in the same way that apache can handle virt servers. >Is this something exim can do? Sure. It's in the docs (exim specification) under "Virtual domains". Mike. -- Cistron Certified Internetwork Expert #1. Think free speech; drink free beer.
Re: make menuconfig
- Original Message - From: "Olaf Meeuwissen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dale Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 4:08 AM Subject: Re: make menuconfig > Dale Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > when I try to run make menuconfig I encouter the following error: > > > > In file included from lxdialog.c:22: > > dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory > > make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1 > > > > I've tried reinstalling the ncurses library, any other suggestions. I > > would like to use this to reconfigure my kernel > > Did you install libncurses5-dev or similar? You need a *-dev package > for the curses.h file to be there. If you have, check where it ended > up and see if your compiler looks in the right places for it. well, shouldn't that be done by some dependencies? Jens
Re: Debian and OpenBSD -- ssh compatibility?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 12:36:43PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I'm configuring an OpenBSD firewall in front of my Debian box. Current > problem is getting compatible versions of ssh on both boxes. > > I can ssh FROM OpenBSD to Debian, but not TO OpenBSD from Debian. > Error message on attempting OpenBSD connection: > > Disconnecting: Bad packet length 1349676916. > > ...on the OBSD side, I get the following in /var/log/authlog: > > Jul 31 05:32:37 jung sshd[32168]: Protocol major versions differ for > 192.168.0.32: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH-2.1 vs. SSH-1.5-OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > I obviously need to get compatible versions of ssh, but I'm not sure > which end to even up, or (for the OBSD side) how to do it. My > understanding is that OpenSSH 1.2.3 is licensed freely, that SSH-2 is > not, and that there isn't a free version of OpenSSH-2 available for > Debian. Solution: On the OpenBSD box, change the /etc/sshd_config line: Protocol 2,1 To: Protocol 1,2 ...apparently it tries the first-listed protocol first. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpwSRGq0sVu5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian and OpenBSD -- ssh compatibility?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 12:52:18PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > On 31-Jul-2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > I'm configuring an OpenBSD firewall in front of my Debian box. Current > > problem is getting compatible versions of ssh on both boxes. > > > > I can ssh FROM OpenBSD to Debian, but not TO OpenBSD from Debian. > > Error message on attempting OpenBSD connection: > > > > Disconnecting: Bad packet length 1349676916. > > > > ...on the OBSD side, I get the following in /var/log/authlog: > > > > Jul 31 05:32:37 jung sshd[32168]: Protocol major versions differ for > > 192.168.0.32: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH-2.1 vs. SSH-1.5-OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > > > I obviously need to get compatible versions of ssh, but I'm not sure > > which end to even up, or (for the OBSD side) how to do it. My > > understanding is that OpenSSH 1.2.3 is licensed freely, that SSH-2 is > > not, and that there isn't a free version of OpenSSH-2 available for > > Debian. > > > > openSSH is free, whether it is 2.0 or 1.x. I am uncertain that we > have packaged 2.0 though. An easy solution temporarily is to install > 1.2 openSSH on the bsd box. I would if I knew how. I'm still puzzling out the OpenBSD packaging system. "ports" installs stuff under /usr/local. Sacrilege! ...but I solved the problem anyway. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpQObiasPkyO.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: 3c90x woes
ok so I patched the kernel successfully and went through make config and make dep just fine. when I do make bzImage (also tried zImage, zdisk, and bzdisk) everything works fine until it gets to the very end: as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s make[1]: as86: Command not found I've never heard of as86...couldn't find any packages by that name either. Any further help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Raphael -Original Message- From: Christian Pernegger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:44 PM To: Raphael Crawford-Marks; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: 3c90x woes Importance: Low I'm running a box with a 3Com 3C905C-TXM, at the moment with potato-testcycle-3 and kernel version 2.2.15. The 3c59x module that comes with the standard kernel did not do 100mbit/s full duplex connections for me. 3Coms own 3c90x module does, so I believe it to be better :) Of the ways described in the 3Com README I only tried the patch-into-kernel-source-tree one - because it worked the first time. If you need any help with compiling/patching a kernel just drop me a line. Regards Christian > -Original Message- > From: Raphael Crawford-Marks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:21 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: 3c90x woes > > > I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card. I tried to > get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail. Downloaded > 3com's 3c90x > driver from their site, but couldn't figure out what to do with it (their > readme said to run install3c90x, a file that was not included in > the .tar.gz > available for download on their site). > > Is there a way to get my card to work with the 3c59x module? If not, does > anyone have a precompiled 3c90x module for the 2.2.14 kernel? > > Thanks, > > Raphael > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe > [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null >
RE: debian rocks
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, CHEONG, Shu Yang [Patrick] wrote: > Hear ye..hear ye.you should join this list, then you'll really get a > feel of the Linux (and Debian GNU/Linux) community. I did join! :) Mike
Re: 3c90x woes
"Raphael Crawford-Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ok so I patched the kernel successfully and went through make config and > make dep just fine. > > when I do make bzImage (also tried zImage, zdisk, and bzdisk) everything > works fine until it gets to the very end: > > as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s > make[1]: as86: Command not found > > I've never heard of as86...couldn't find any packages by that name either. > > Any further help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Raphael You need to install the bin86 package: apt-get install bin86 Gary
expect scripts
okay, I just found out it's not really hanging, but it just takes about five minutes to continue processing. Here's the errors I see once or twice during the upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2: *** lynx.cfg (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? N Use of uninitialized value at (eval 6) line 16, chunk 12881. Use of uninitialized value at (eval 7) line 16, chunk 12881. My senior admin believes termcaps are on their way out and only exist due to compatibility issues with old *nixes. Any opinions would be nice, thanks.
Re: fdisk reports 4.2BSD partitions instead EXT2
You may need to change the partition lable. This is independent of the
underlying filesystem. You *should* be able to do this under fdisk ('m'
gives you a menu of options), but I'd back things up just in case.
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 02:55:02AM -0400, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> I'm experiencing some problems with fdisk reporting BSD partitions on
> a disk with ext2 partitions. I think that I did have a BSD slice on
> there at the very beginning, but I don't remember whether it's still
> there. It could be hdc2, but I couldn't figure out a way to mount the
> partitions from it. Below is the output from fdisk. I don't know how
> to manipulate the partitions this way...
>
> `mount' mounts hdc1, hdc4, hdc5 and hdc6 without a problem. hdc3 is
> linux swap.
>
> How could I get to the partitions from Linux?
>
> Thanks for any hints!
>
> ,[ fdisk ]
> | Disk /dev/hdc: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 26500 cylinders
> | Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
> |
> | 8 partitions:
> | # start end size fstype [fsize bsize cpg]
> | a:1 7*6*4.2BSD 1024 819216
> | b:7* 32* 25* swap
> | c:1 1663* 1662*unused0 0
> | e: 32* 57* 25*4.2BSD 1024 819216
> | f: 57* 83* 25*4.2BSD 1024 819216
> | g: 83* 1663* 1580*4.2BSD 1024 819216
> `
>
> ,[ dmesg ]
> | Partition check:
> | hdc: hdc1 hdc2 < hdc5 hdc6 > hdc3 hdc4
> `
>
> ,[ mount ]
> | /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/hdc1 type ext2 (rw)
> | /dev/hdc4 on /mnt/hdc4 type ext2 (rw)
> | /dev/hdc6 on /mnt/hdc6 type ext2 (rw)
> | /dev/hdc5 on /mnt/hdc5 type ext2 (rw)
> `
> --
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>
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Re: 3c90x woes
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:16:58 PDT, "Raphael Crawford-Marks" writes: >as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s >make[1]: as86: Command not found you´ll need the bin86-package >I've never heard of as86...couldn't find any packages by that name either. finding packages by filename is easiest via http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages imho. hth, &rw
Re: mount
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 06:32:55AM -0700, Nianwei Xing wrote: > hi, debians; > I forget my root password and check the FAQs, somebody > said that after reboot the system and mount filesystem > and then edit the file /etc/passwd, it will work. so i > reboot my computer with my rescue disk and at the boot > prompt, type rescue mount=/dev/hdc1, when the screen > shows the following message; > kernel panic vfs; unable to mount root fs on 01;00. > it stopped. Does anybody know how to handle this > problem? > also, when I reboot with my boot disk, it goes to same > point and stop. > Any information is appreciated! /dev/hdc is the first disk on the second IDE controller, often the CD-ROM drive. You may mean /dev/hda. Try booting Tom's Root/Boot (http://www.toms.net/rb/) and seeing what devices you've got installed. You should be able to mount one of these and find out where your /etc/passwd is, and edit appropriately. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgp9uyRXlDqo2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 3c90x woes
"Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Raphael Crawford-Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ok so I patched the kernel successfully and went through make config and > > make dep just fine. > > > > when I do make bzImage (also tried zImage, zdisk, and bzdisk) everything > > works fine until it gets to the very end: > > > > as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s > > make[1]: as86: Command not found > > > > I've never heard of as86...couldn't find any packages by that name either. > > > > Any further help would be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Raphael > > You need to install the bin86 package: > > apt-get install bin86 Also, you should seriously consider looking at the kernel-package package, in particular look at the make-kpkg utility. It makes using custom-compiled kernels in Debian MUCH easier to deal with. To use it you just do your "make " and then just invoke make-kpkg like: make-kpkg --revision 5:mypc.1 --bzimage kernel_image and you'll get a kernel_image*.deb file that you can install with dpkg. Install it, read the docs and feel free to post if you have any questions about it. Again, it's MUCH easier to handle custom kernels in Debian if you use it and it is the Debian Way (TM) to use and install custom kernels. Gary
Re: isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
On 31-Jul-2000 Kent West wrote: > Pollywog wrote: >> >> On 31-Jul-2000 Kent West wrote: >> > I've got a soundbalster 16 in my Debian box. I believe I've got the >> > /etc/isapnp.conf file set up properly, to use IRQ5 for the sound card. >> > However, whenever I do a modprobe sb (or reboot, etc), I get a warning >> > about IRQ 7 having a conflict. Near as I can tell, I have no, none, >> > nada, zippo, zilch reference to IRQ 7 anywhere near isapnp.con, >> > /etc/modutils/, modules.conf, conf.modules, etc. >> >> I have problems similar to yours with my SB 16 but it is not really a SB 16 >> because it is a SB 16 VibraX. I know the commercial OSS drivers work on >> this >> card, but since OSS drivers for the 2.4.0 test5 kernel are not yet >> available, >> I wanted to try something else. I had no success in that endeavor, so I >> will >> have to wait for the OSS drivers. >> >> Is your SB 16 actually a VibraX? I have the kernel PnP installed, and it tells me my card is a VibraX. The commercial OSS driver setup also says this, but it can get the card to work. -- Andrew
Re: isapnp says irq5; modprobe assigns 7
On 31-Jul-2000 Kent West wrote: > Pollywog wrote: > > I've discovered that if I create a file named /etc/modutils/sound and > put in it the line: > options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 > > then I no longer get the error message. The sound card mostly works now. > It can't seem to play .WAV files (with splay); and if I move the mouse > (PS/2) while playing an MP3 in freeamp the sound gets garbled as long as > I'm moving the mouse. Yet a "cat /proc/interrupts" shows the > soundblaster to be on 5 and the ps/2 on 12. I ran alsaconfig (when I tried Alsa) and it did those things for me, and although I got no error messages when trying to play sound, no sound was played. The command just froze in my xterm. I think if I want sound to work without the commercial OSS drivers, I need to dump this VibraX card and get a real Soundblaster. -- Andrew
Re: expect scripts
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 02:23:36PM -0600, Howard Jow wrote: > okay, I just found out it's not really hanging, but it just takes about > five minutes to continue processing. Here's the errors I see once or > twice during the upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2: > > *** lynx.cfg (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? N > Use of uninitialized value at (eval 6) line 16, chunk 12881. > Use of uninitialized value at (eval 7) line 16, chunk 12881. > > My senior admin believes termcaps are on their way out and only exist due > to compatibility issues with old *nixes. Any opinions would be nice, > thanks. What was the original problem? You appear to have trimmed your post to exclude some useful information. Typically, timeouts on the order of five minutes or so indicate a reverse DNS lookup failure, particularly with any network-related service. Have you confirmed your DNS configuration? -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpv9gxnW1MsG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: make menuconfig
Jens Müller wrote: > > > > I've tried reinstalling the ncurses library, any other suggestions. I > > > would like to use this to reconfigure my kernel > > > > Did you install libncurses5-dev or similar? You need a *-dev package > > for the curses.h file to be there. If you have, check where it ended > > up and see if your compiler looks in the right places for it. > well, shouldn't that be done by some dependencies? > > Jens It would seem so, but that is exactly the problem. Install libncurses5-dev and Life will be Good again. I had the same trouble and this was the solution. Stan > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: mount
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 06:32:55AM -0700, Nianwei Xing wrote: [...] > I forget my root password and check the FAQs, somebody > said that after reboot the system and mount filesystem > and then edit the file /etc/passwd, it will work. so i > reboot my computer with my rescue disk [...] or you could boot linux with the parameter 'init=/bin/bash'... moritz -- /* Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * http://hp9001.fh-bielefeld.de/~moritz/ * PGP-Key available, encrypted Mail is welcome. */
Re: /etc/modules load/don't load
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KW> So my question is: Why are the vfat and serial and smbfs loading when KW> they are commented out of /etc/modules, but the 3c59x module does not KW> load when it's commented out? Because kmod doesn't know that your Ethernet card is a 3c59x. When it tries to configure your Ethernet interface, it sees no available Ethernet drivers and so tries to 'modprobe eth0', which fails. Adding 'alias eth0 3c59x' somewhere under /etc/modutils should DWYW. KW> And my second question: should I specifically load modules via KW> /etc/modules, or should I leave that file empty and let kmod KW> handle the modules? I like to let kmod do the work, but YMMV. If something's primary user-space interface is a /proc entry (e.g. lm-sensors), there's not a good way to auto-load it, and you'll need to explicitly load the relevant modules with lines in /etc/modules. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mit.edu/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell
Re: SGML beginners question
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 11:18:27AM +, Tony wrote: > > ^ > > ^"Eric G . Miller" wrote: > > ^ > > ^> really slick and well formatted documents. And for writing something > > ^> like a thesis, using BibTeX makes it easy to handle citations. > > ^ > > ^Yes. > > ^ > > ^Latex + bibtex + Emacs + AUCTeX + bib-cite + RefTeX + font-latex > > ^ > > ^Good stuff. > > ^-- > > > > Yes, I basically agree with that, but getting the document into html as > > well > > as ps I have found to be a bore. Lat time I tried latex2html on a 100,000 > > word > > tex document, it died miserably. Are there better alternatives for > > producing > > html from complex latex sources? > > You can also look at tex4ht. It is a debian package. > > It works well on most of the documents I tried. But I had some > trouble sometimes with \maketitle. In such cases I just commente it > out when making the hmtl-file. The .deb is a bit outdated. Dowload it directly (with the updates) from `http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn.html'. Also, don't hesitate to write your questions/suggestions to Eitan Gurari -- my experience is that he is very responsive. ChriS
