Re: Problems with lilo?

[Brad]

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On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, RESET wrote:

> : In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason Murray
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Jason:: I think this problem is with lilo. I am riding the
> Jason:: bleeding edge upgrading roughly every night. Well
> Jason:: yesterday when I upgraded there was an update for
> Jason:: lilo. Now I can't boot from the HD. It tells me this:
> 
> Jason:: LILO boot:
> Jason:: Lodaing Linux
> Jason:: Uncompressing Linux...
> 
> Jason:: crc error
> Jason:: -- system halted
> 
> 
> I had the same error, but solved it compiling a new kernel using
> `make bzlilo'.

Just out of curiousity, did you happen to do an apt-get upgrade about the
same time? The old version of lilo that Brian Servis mentioned is now
available on the mirrors; if you installed it then that solved the
problem, not rebuilding the kernel.

Quick check: "dpkg -l lilo". If the version installed is not 22, then you
have the old version.


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Re: Kernel question: From bootdisk to hard drive

[Brad]

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On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, David Kanter wrote:

> I've got a custom bootdisk that works fine. I moved the kernel to my
> home directory using dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/david/vmlinuz. (I also
> used cat /dev/fd0 > /home/david/vmlinuz and it did the same thing.)
> 
> Everything is OK, except the file size of this new kernel looks like
> its the size of an unformatted disk, i.e. 1.47 Mb. The past kernel was
> about 350Kb, but had extraneous stuff.

Probably it is exactly the size of an unformatted disk, since it's
basically an exact copy of the floppy.

Likely only a part of that file is the actual kernel, while the rest is
boot information or empty space.

> I reran lilo and booted off the hard drive, and the new kernel works
> fine. Should the fact that this custom/slimmer kernel is larger in
> size than the stock Debian kernel (by about 4X) worry me?

Just out of curiousity, why can't you install the kernel normally, using
make-kpkg (from the kernel-package package) or the directions in the
kernel docs?


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Problems with printing

[brian . ross]

I have two, not unconnected problems I suspect, with printing.

The first is directly from linux, in that when it comes out the printer,
its stepped across the page and is unreadable.  Is there an easy method
to fix that?

The second is via samba.  At the present moment the server is not
visible on the network from windows boxes but directories can be
mounted.  At the same time though, printing returns "the network name
cannot be found" when attempted from a windows box.

Any ideas?

cheers

Brian


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Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[John Hasler]

Kristopher Johnson writes:
> Why should anyone bother with daylight savings time in ANY country?

If there is anything dumber that daylight savings time, it is daylight
savings time in the tropics.
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[OT] thanks

[Seth R Arnold]

Well, 100+ messages a day finally swamped me. I want to thank all of you for
bringing me into the debian fold so quickly and nicely.

I am unsubbing from the list; I am sure I will be back.

Thanks for all the help. :)

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Bye Seth, thanx for the help

[zdrysdal]

Re: trivial egcc question...

[Mark Brown]

On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 05:29:00PM -0400, Jonathan Lupa wrote:

> Is there a way to set an environment variable with the args I want for the
> egcc line?

The traditional approach is to use a Makefile.  However...

> For example, I like STL, and am always typing `egcc -Wall -lstdc++ foo.cpp`.
> It seems to me (from my DOS experience ) that I should be able to do
> something like:

> bash:~>$ export cl=-Wall -lstdc++
> bash:~>$ egcc foo.cpp

The command "g++" (also known as "c++") exists to do exactly this job -
it will do all the magic required to link C++ code.  There's also a
command "g77" for Fortran 77 and so on for the other languages gcc
supports.  Any gcc command will compile any supported language: one of
the main reasons for having these front ends is that they do things like
linking in required libraries.

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Re: Cron: daemon.log grep & mail to root

[Mark Brown]

On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 04:03:33PM -0700, bwarsing wrote:

[Please wrap your lines at 80 columns and put a blank line between
paragraphs - it makes your mail much more legible and easier to reply to]

> I'm a newbie, but I need to set up cron to grep the auth attempts from 
> /var/log/daemon.log and mail me (root) the results daily.  Can anyone suggest 
> a means of doing this?  As it stands, it only logs weekly.  As well, if there 
> is anyone who can point me to some good info on using cron effectively, I 
> would appreciate it.

The logcheck program contains a utility that does the appropriate magic
and is pretty neat itself.  Unfortunately it's not packaged (although
someone said they would make a package just recently), I don't know the
web site and the author has neglected to include it in the distribution.
Searching on http://www.securityfocus.com/ will turn it up, though -
look at free tools then intrusion detection IIRC.

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Re: What's this in my daemon.log

[Mark Brown]

On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 04:01:10PM +0200, Patrik Magnusson wrote:
> This has been popping up for a couple of days now. Anyone know
> what it means?

> Sep 27 15:58:10 pedgr634 identd[26739]: started
> Sep 27 15:58:10 pedgr634 identd[26746]: request_thread: read(10, ..., 1023) 
> failed: Connection reset by peer  
> 

Apparently, a remote machine tried to connect to your ident server but
for whatever reason it closed the connection permaturely.  I probably
wouldn't worry about it.

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A travelogue installing Debian 2.1 on a laptop

[Graham Williams]

I was updating my page on installing Debian GNU/Linux on the Dell
Latitude CPi D300XT when it occurred to me that a lot of the material
there might be of interest in general. It's a log of how to install
Debian on this laptop (and maybe installing Debian in general) and
aims to be fairly descriptive.

In case anyone is interested in it

   http://www.dit.csiro.au/~gjw/linux/dlcpid300xt.html


Warning: I've been a silent user of Debian for many years but would
not claim to be a Debian expert

Of course, updates are welcome!

Cheers,
Graham

Unidentified subject!

[pollywog]

why no package status feature for dpkg?

[Russell Nelson]

Why does dpkg not have a way to check the cksum's of the package's
contents.  I deleted a bunch of man pages, and now I find myself
having to write perl scripts to coerce dpkg into releasing the
information about missing files.  And even then, I won't know if a
file is really undamaged.

It wouldn't be such a problem except that I did an FTP install, and a
gnome upgrade, which needed some other things from potatoe
(fortunately Quayl has givene up the ghoste).  Plus I upgraded to the
current kernel from potato because my new hardware runs Linux
unreliably and I wanted to make sure it wasn't due to old drivers.
Plus I needed some gnome things out of CVS to get the latest version,
because gnome developers have this nasty habit of writing their
applications to the current libraries, not the stable libraries.

So who *knows* what I'm running now, and whether it corresponds to
anything remotely resembling Official Debian 2.0.  Somebody remind me
again how .deb is the perfect packaging format, sublime in all the
details of its creation, without flaw in its every detail, and how all
others (should) bow low to it.  I still haven't found an explanation
of why RPM sucks so badly that Debian developers cannot fix it.  I
mean, xterm sucked so badly that somebody had to create xterm-debian
and break everybody's termcap, so why not RPM-debian and break
everybody else's RPM manipulators?

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Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[Carl Johnson]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Kristopher Johnson writes:
> > Why should anyone bother with daylight savings time in ANY country?
> 
> If there is anything dumber that daylight savings time, it is daylight
> savings time in the tropics.

It isn't much better in the north, where daylight savings time may
shift sunrise from 1AM to 2AM, and sunset from 11PM to midnight.  Of
course, it never really gets dark during that time, so you don't even
notice it.

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Re: Any FAQ's on setting up a news server?

[Mark Brown]

On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 06:19:19PM -0500, Charles Lewis wrote:

> What are all the components I need in order to setup a news server so that I
> can connect from a remote computer. I currently have the nntp and cnews
> packages installed, although don't know what else to do to configure them or

This depends on what you want to do.  Do you want to provide a news
server to a large number of people or are you only interested in reading
news?  In the former case you want to set up a large news server
package, but in the latter case you can get away with a much simpler
program like Leafnode.  If you're on a dialup connection you're almost
certainly in the latter group.

The standard full news server these days is INN - cnews/nntp is an older
system.  I haven't used it in a while, but from what I remember the
documentation supplied is pretty complete.  It can be a bit tricky to
find everything you need, but all the information is in there.  When
using this sort of system you normally agree with several other systems
that you will send each other news, and your servers push the news at
each other whenever they get new news.

As well as INN and cnews there's also Diablo and some commercial packages, 
but Diablo isn't packaged for Debian and the commercial packages are 
commercial and often not for Linux.  Diablo does have a nice reputation
for configurability, though.

> setup newsgroups. Do I also need suck? I can't seem to find any FAQ or HOWTO

You need suck if you're not running a full news server but want to use
INN or nntp/cnews.  It (or an equivalent package such as newsx) talks to
another news server like a client, downloads news and then feeds it into
your own news server and also does the reverse translation.

OTOH, it is very much easier to use Leafnode.  This will do all the work
of inn and suck that is needed to support a small userbase, but doesn't
scale very well to large numbers of users and groups.

> on this topic. Also, where would I get my newsfeed from?

> Charles Lewis, Director of Administrative Computing
> Southwestern Adventist University, Keene, TX

Does your university LAN have a news server on it already?  If you're on
the LAN and there is one you probably don't want to use a server at all
but to simply point your client at it.  If there is no server then one
or more of your IP providers (redundancy is good) will probably provide
a feed.  They should be able give you quite a bit of help with setting up.
Otherwise, places like news.software.nntp are good places to look.

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Re: Mathematica

[Sean]

It works just fine on my potato system. I suspect this is because the whole 
thing is
statically linked to its own libraries, etc.  The only gripe I have with it is 
I have
a dual processor system, but as it was compiled under a 2.0.x environment, 
there is
no SMP support. I really like the package, but SMP support would be cool.

Sean


Nathan Smith wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We're (I'm) setting up a computer lab here at Univ. Texas at Tyler
> (nevermind the address above), and I'd like to run Debian as the OS in the
> lab.  We're going to need to have Mathematica on the computers in the lab,
> and according to the Wolfram web page Mathematica will run on any ELF
> Linux system, but it's my understanding that Debian is not ELF but glibc6.
> Is there a way to make this work?  Does anybody have Mathematica running
> on a Debian system?  I have Debian on my machine here at work and would
> like to not have to switch to Red Hat or something else since I'm already
> somewhat familiar with what I have, but if it's not possible to run
> Mathematica I'll have to - or if it's too much work I'll have to as well
> since I have other duties.  Anyone able to answer my questions?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Nate
>
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Re: Why am I getting ? instead of apostrophe in Netscape?

[Sean]

You can thank Microsoft for that one.  If you have a webpage and use a 
Microsoft tool
to edit it, it "exends and ebraces" the font scheme into one that only renders
correctly under Windows. All it really means, though, is that some MS editing 
tool
was used sometime in the document's editing history.

Sean

Phillip Deackes wrote:

> Recently I have noticed I am getting a question mark instead of an
> apostrophe on web pages. The apostrophe works fine everywhere else (')
>
> Any ideas what is wrong?
>
> --
> Phillip Deackes
> Debian Linux (Potato)
>
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g32pbm - gs - pbm2g3 - newslock

[zdrysdal]

Hi

where can i find the above files??  are they part of a utils package??
they are used for fax conversion etc.


Thanx

Re: g32pbm - gs - pbm2g3 - newslock

[Brian Servis]

*- On  1 Oct, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "g32pbm - gs - pbm2g3 - newslock"
> Hi
> 
> where can i find the above files??  are they part of a utils package??
> they are used for fax conversion etc.
> 

Use the 'Search the Contents ...' search at the bottom of
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.html.

As an example a search for g32pbm returned
FILE PACKAGE
---
usr/bin/g32pbm  comm/mgetty-fax
usr/man/man1/g32pbm.1.gzcomm/mgetty-fax


So you would need to install the mgetty-fax package.


This search just greps the Contents-.gz file that is found on
your favorite mirror.  I keep a local copy on hand and search that.

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Re: Apache segfaulting upon perl module load

[Doug MacEachern]

one solution is to build Apache and mod_perl from source, and linking
mod_perl static instead of a dso.

-Doug

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Keith G. Murphy wrote:

> I'm having a strange problem where apache is segfaulting when I start
> it.  The only time I get the segfault is when DynaLoader.pm loads an
> ".so" file, for example, DBI.so, resulting from "use DBI" or "use
> Apache::DBI" in startup.pl.  But "use Apache::Status", resulting in
> loads of Request.so, et al, also causes the segfault.
> 
> I'm running Debian Linux, Slink, kernel 2.0.36.
> The relevant Debian packages are:
> apache-1.3.9-8
> libapache-mod-perl-1.21-5
> libc6-2.1.2-5
> libdbi-perl_1.12-1 (that's where the DBI.so comes from)
> 
> I've tried compiling and using the packages from CPAN also, but get the
> same thing.  I don't feel at this point it's the .so files themselves,
> but a problem with apache or mod-perl.
> 
> I should mention, though, that this problem seemed to go away Friday
> upon an Apache reinstall, only to start recurring, which made me suspect
> hardware problems.  Memory tests show nothing, though, and the problem
> is consistent and isolated to this situation.
> 
> Anyone else have problems with this configuration or have any clue where
> to look next?
> 
> TIA.
> 

Re: eth0: unknown interface...

[Matthew Dalton]

It may not help, but I installed debian on my laptop using a laplink
cable and it was not too difficult to set up. I was planning on using an
ethernet card, but I couldn't get one right away... so I spent $10 on a
laplink cable instead.

Hugo van der Merwe wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have installed the debian base system on a laptop, but now I need to
> install the rest over a network (from another brilliant working Debian
> machine). For this to work, I must get the pcmcia network card working...
> 
> I installed the same kernel package I installed on anther laptop, and the
> pcmcia-modules package that was compiled with it, and am using the same
> network card. However, even with this kernel, eth0 is still an unknown
> device. How does Debian Linux get to know eth0? I though it was only in
> the kernel, but clearly it isn't. Or what modules must I load with
> modprobe?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Hugo van der Merwe
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pgcc compiler for slink?

[ferret]

Has anyone successfully patched and compiled a pgcc/egcs package for
Slink? I was able to patch for Potato using the gcc source package and a
slightly older gcc source tarball patched with the pgcc patches.
I recently updated one of my testing machines to Potato, and the patched
gcc seems to be working fine. Unfortunately, the Potato gcc source package
requires the Potato debhelper, which won't compile without versioned perl,
and the slink egcs package doesn't patch with any pgcc patch files. :/

Is there any documentation on compiling for glibc 2.0 on a glibc 2.1
system?

And how could I verify that the patched compiler is actually producing
optimised code? (In my case for AMD K6 with MMX)

-- Ferret no baka

Slink to Potato

[longship]

Hi,

I know that the basic issues of my question have been asked many times
here previously.  But, time goes on and things change.  Maybe this all
too important issue needs to be addressed again.

When I talked with some Debian folks at Linux World, they indicated
that Potato was fairly stable and that I could safely upgrade a Slink
installation to Potato without problems.  However, when looking at the
mailing list archives, it seems that it isn't so.  For one, perl and
everything it depends on is broken.  Ooops!

There was some talk about putting out an interim release with updated
packages.  That talk seems to have died out.

There was also some talk about bringing the latest applications from
Unstable to Stable so that Stable remains up to date, which is kind of
what they do with the Linux kernel.  Without some mechanism to do
this, Debian is badly outdated.  Slink still ships with Enlightenment
0.14, Gnome 0.30 and LyX 0.12--my favorite tools are hopelessly
unusable.

I need a 2.2 kernel before I can use Debian on my main box.  But, I am
experimenting with Slink on a small Pentium box.  I must say that
everything works wonderfully.  I can apt-get through my big box's
ip-chains.  Everything is cool except for the legacy major
components, like the windows managers.

I want to upgrade the packages to the latest.  I know that many Debian
users do this because nobody could remain happy with standard Slink
for long.  Is there a standard place for updated packages?  If there
isn't, there should be.  At least I want the latest released Gnome,
Enlightenment, LyX and GIMP--all the major packages which take so much
effort to compile and install from tarballs.  Somebody has done this.

Where do I start?

What can we do to help others with this common problem?

Thank you ahead of time.


Regards,

Arne Flones
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Re: Slink to Potato

[Miles Bader]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> When I talked with some Debian folks at Linux World, they indicated
> that Potato was fairly stable and that I could safely upgrade a Slink
> installation to Potato without problems.  However, when looking at the
> mailing list archives, it seems that it isn't so.  For one, perl and
> everything it depends on is broken.  Ooops!

I've been slowly upgrading my packages from slink to potato, and
frankly, have never had a single problem.  I was nervous about upgrading
perl, because I've seen all sorts of veiled references to possible
hosage (although I've never seen a concise statement of the actual
problem), but eventually I just did it, and removed the old perl.
Result?  No problems, everything seems to work perfectly.  Perhaps there
are a few packages that crash and burn, but I apparently don't use any
of them.

-Miles
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Re: LiLO and Multi distributions

[Joao Pissarro]

Tanks all wich replied to my question. I have solved the problem.

Joao


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Upgradeing to 2.2 kernel broke X

[peter karlsson]

Hi!

I just upgraded to a 2.2 kernel (from 2.0.38), running a virtual framebuffer
(ATI Mach64), and now my X Windows doesn't work, the picture is *extremely*
distorted. Console mode (which also is graphics now) works just fine.

I'm running on a PC, and my card is, according to SuperProbe:

First video: Super-VGA
Chipset: ATI 264GT-IIc (3D Rage IIc) (Port Probed)
Memory:  4096 Kbytes
RAMDAC:  ATI Mach64 integrated 15/16/24/32-bit DAC w/clock
 (with 8-bit wide lookup tables)
 (programmable for 6/8-bit wide lookup tables)
Attached graphics coprocessor:
Chipset: ATI Mach64
Memory:  4096 Kbytes

I like the framebuffer and stuff, but it seems like if I should switch back
to 2.0.38 :-/

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Re: Slink to Potato

[longship]

> I've been slowly upgrading my packages from slink to potato, and
> frankly, have never had a single problem.  I was nervous about upgrading
> perl, because I've seen all sorts of veiled references to possible
> hosage (although I've never seen a concise statement of the actual
> problem), but eventually I just did it, and removed the old perl.
> Result?  No problems, everything seems to work perfectly.  Perhaps there
> are a few packages that crash and burn, but I apparently don't use any
> of them.
> 
> -Miles

That's great.

This is what I've heard, but not what I see in the mailing list archive
where people ask about problems with Potato and they are answered only
"That's what unstable means."  In other words, you're on your own, pal.

Some people just don't have the luxury of working with Unstable. However, much
of the software released, like Gnome, GIMP, LyX and such *is* stable.
Enlightenment 0.15.x is quite stable, albeit incomplete. It is no less stable
than the 0.14.6 that ships on the Slink CDs. So what I'd like to see is a
collection of upgrades to the current Stable from the Unstable chain, just the
way its done in the Linux kernel. This will keep everybody happy and will delay
the obsolescense of Stable. Right now, I wouldn't recommend Slink to anybody.
It's just too out of date.  I'm only playing around with it because I have
a need for it in the future.

What can we do to get this accomplished?

I'm willing to put in some work to get this ball going.  Does anybody
else see this as worthwhile?

Regards,

Arne

fvwm 2.2 and missing menu items

[Alec Smith]

I just installed Debian 2.2 after reformatting my old Slink partition. I
noticed that as root I had my fvwm 2.2 menus as I always had them with the
old version (2.0.46-BETA I believe) in Slink. However, if I ran fvwm 2.2
as a normal user, I got a menu that basically let me exit and nothing
else. The .fvwm2rc file in my home directory does nothing but start xterm
and use xv to put a background on my screen.

Is there some change I need to make so that fvwm 2.2 will operate
correctly?



Thanks,
Alec

Re: Upgradeing to 2.2 kernel broke X

[peter karlsson]

> I just upgraded to a 2.2 kernel (from 2.0.38), running a virtual framebuffer
> (ATI Mach64), and now my X Windows doesn't work, the picture is *extremely*
> distorted. Console mode (which also is graphics now) works just fine.

I switched to the VESA framebuffer, and now it works. But does anyone know
why the heck the cursor suddenly became a block instead of just an
underscore, and how I change that?

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installation of potato doesn't work...

[Rainer Hubovsky]

hello everyone!

i set up a debian mirror and want to install potato using the nfs
exported files from my mirror.

but when selecting install within dselect there are several problems:

1.) the first time dselect aborts when installing libc6. it complains
about apt which is already installed but with a too low version
number. i could fix this with removing apt before invoking dselect.

maybe the problem is that potato uses the same file for the base system
as slink, base2_1.tgz. probably the packages from potato need newer
base packages than are contained in base2_1.tgz.

2.) the second time dselect aborts when installing libpam0g because
libpam-runtime isn't installed yet. but the deb file for
libpam-runtime is available. i fixed this by installing libpam-runtime
by hand berfore starting dselect.

i gave up at the third error.

i'm nut sure, if this is a problem with my mirror or with the unstable
potato release.

did you have the same or similar problems?
are these bugs in the potato release?
can someone send me a control file for his debian mirror?

i tried a test installation of slink from my mirrored files an it
worked without problems. to me it looks like the potato installation
doesn't work right now.

any hints?
thank you!

bye.
 -r

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Re: How to filter this list?

[Stefan Blum]

> *- On 30 Sep, Stefan Blum wrote about "How to filter this list?"
> > Hi,
> > 
> > how can I filter the incoming stuff from this list by using ''elm''?
> > My $HOME/.elm/filter-rules contains the following entries:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > if (from = "debian-user@lists.debian.org") then save 
> > "/home/meru/blum/Mail/linux"
> > if (sender = "debian-user@lists.debian.org") then save 
> > "/home/meru/blum/Mail/linux"
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > Because some of the mails to the lists are sent by using ``CC'', the
> > mechanism does not work correctly. 
> > 
> > Is there a way out? I _have_to_ use elm and filter ;-(
> > 
> 
> When I was using elm's filter I used
> 
> if (to contains "debian") then save ...
> 
Thanks.. that seems to work!

> The 'to' should catch the To and Cc lines. Just curious, why do you
> _have_to_ to use filter? 

I am not a system admin. The only way (that I know) to configure elm-filter 
remains in $HOME/.elm/filter-rules :(

Regards,
  Stefan





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> -
> 
> 

Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[Taupter]

John Hasler wrote:
> 
> I suppose this is a dumb question, but why would anyone bother with
> daylight savings time in a tropical country?

Despite some opinions, we have a large industrial park, 180 million
people, a high energy comsumption. There is no outdoors with "Coming
soon... Coca Cola!". Brazil is not one immense rain forest, as some
people would think.


Taupter

organizing pptp network over Internet with Win98 and linux

[Alex V. Toropov]

Hi all,

Has anyone tried to make subj. with win98 comps acting as pptp-client
and linux-box as pptp server?

The problem is: 
we have private ip LAN in one office. Another comp (win98) is
located in another far away office. It has it's own Internet connection.
The first office also has Internet connection (with static ip address).

We need the comp in the second office to be available on our private ip
LAN.

Any suggestions will be very appreciated.

Alex

Re: How to filter this list?

[Manuel Arenaz Silva]

Hello,

I am interrested in filtering the incoming mail. On my opinion, my situation is 
quite
different from the explained in this thread. I am the administrator of a PC K6-3
400MHz running Debian Linux. I use a mail server (mercurio.des.fi.udc.es) to 
send and
receive mails.

[mercurio:/home/des/becarios/arenaz]$ uname -a
SunOS mercurio 5.7 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCclassic

My question is: What do I need in order to filter the incomming mail received 
in the
server? Can I manage using "elm"?

I am currently using "netscape messenger" to filter the mail, but, first, I 
have to
download the mail to my machine and, second, perform the filtering action by 
hand. You
can imagine that this a tedious and embarrasing task.

I would be very grateful if you could help me.

Thanks in advance,

   Manuel Arenaz

anacron read out

[eric k. wolven]

Hi!

Newbie here

I'm getting this read-out from my daily cron but haven't a clue what is wrong 
or more importantly, how to fix it.  Any ideas?

/etc/cron.daily/cracklib
/usr/sbin/crack_mdict: tr: command not found
/usr/sbin/crack_mdict: tr: command not found
/usr/sbin/crack_mdict: line 23: 645 Boken pipe zcat -f $*
646 Done(127)   | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'
647 Done(127)   | tr -cd '\012[a-z][0-9]'
648 Done| $Sort
649 Done| uniq
650 Done| grep -v '^#'
651 Done| grep -v '^$'
/etc/cron.daily/standard:
/usr/sbin/checksecurity: wc: command not found
/usr/sbin/checksecurity: [: -gt: unary operator expected


Thanks in advance

Re: anacron read out

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 05:44:06 -0500, eric k. wolven wrote:
> I'm getting this read-out from my daily cron but haven't a clue what is wrong 
> or more importantly, how to fix it.  Any ideas?

Your system doesn't have the "textutils" package installed, which is weird
as it's a required/essential package.

HTH,
Ray
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Using of parity bit in RS232 in Linux

[Wojciech Zabolotny]

Hi All!

I need to detect the corrupted serial data in my program.
I have set the c_lflag to ISIG in termios structure, but no signals are
being sent to my program.
What signal does the serial driver send when parity or overrun error occurs?
How to manage these signals?
Where can I find more info? (I've already checked the
HOWTO/Serial-Programming, but it didn't help).
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Strange Behaviour of apt-get update

[Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira]

Hi all,
today I'm trying to update my machines with apt and there is a strange
error:
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/main Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/main Release
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/contrib Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/contrib Release
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/non-free Release
Reading Package Lists... Error!
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
E: Problem with MergeList
/var/state/apt/lists/ftp.br.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
update available list script returned error exit status 100.
Press RETURN to continue.

What is this?
Thanks, Paulo Henrique

Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

Hi,

I was able to find some info about daylight savings setting in
other Linux list.
Thanks for your concerns about Brazil. BTW, I think we'll have
daylight savings for while :-))
BTW again, zic(8) is the program which compiles the time zone and
somebody provided an updated file with correct daylight savings beginning
and end for this year.

thanks again
[]s,
Mario O.de Menezes"Many are the plans in a man's heart, but
IPEN-CNEN/SP is the Lord's purpose that prevails"
http://curiango.ipen.br/~mario Prov. 19.21
   http://www.revistalinux.com.br

Re: trivial egcc question...

[Jonathan Lupa]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 03:04:56AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> The command "g++" (also known as "c++") exists to do exactly this job -

Thanks! This is what I was looking for.  For whatever reason,
I was still laboring under the misconception that egcs and g++ were
not one and the same.

I agree that makefiles are the way to go, but I often like to
prototype unfamilliar language features before I use them in
production code.  I guess I'm still screwed if I need to specify
unweildly include paths or such since all of the responses I have
gotten are along the lines of "you should do this instead" which is
leading me to the conclusion that the gnu compiler doesn't support the
environment variable schlotz that I want to do.

Thanks to you and Ian for the pointers.

-Jonathan
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Re: Slink to Potato

[markzimm]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 03:52:47PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> I've been slowly upgrading my packages from slink to potato, and
> frankly, have never had a single problem.  I was nervous about upgrading
> perl, because I've seen all sorts of veiled references to possible
> hosage (although I've never seen a concise statement of the actual
> problem), but eventually I just did it, and removed the old perl.
> Result?  No problems, everything seems to work perfectly.  Perhaps there
> are a few packages that crash and burn, but I apparently don't use any
> of them.
> 

How are you doing this?  Do you just go get the packages and 'dpkg -i' them
or do you use apt?  There are a bunch of things I want to upgrade on my
system but I assumed that all of the potato packages would have dependencies
to library versions I don't have and that updating my libraries would
break slink packages that I do have.

Re: Slink to Potato

[Mark Brown]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 12:54:24AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This is what I've heard, but not what I see in the mailing list archive
> where people ask about problems with Potato and they are answered only
> "That's what unstable means."  In other words, you're on your own, pal.

Well, it's a bit better than that - particularly if you keep up with the
various lists (mostly -user and -devel) you should be all right.  It's
more a case of "pay attention and be prepared to fix things if they
break" than anything else.  I'd guess that a fair proportion of
developers are running at least some unstable, and we like our machines
to continue to work.

> Some people just don't have the luxury of working with Unstable. However, much
> of the software released, like Gnome, GIMP, LyX and such *is* stable.

Sure, but which software and how does it play together :-) .  I can
actually imagine this being a more serious problem these days with
things like GNOME having so many librarie to get right.

> So what I'd like to see is
> collection of upgrades to the current Stable from the Unstable chain, just the
> way its done in the Linux kernel. This will keep everybody happy and will 
> delay

> the obsolescense of Stable. Right now, I wouldn't recommend Slink to anybody.
> It's just too out of date.  I'm only playing around with it because I have
> a need for it in the future.

I think that's a bit extreme - this machine is running a vanilla Slink
system plus kernel 2.2 and the GNOME panel (and it's not as though I
couldn't do without the GNOME panel) and it does everything I would want
in a Unix system.  There isn't much visible difference between it and
the potato systems I run.

Then again, the potato boxes are pretty much solid - my router/server
box here at home runs unstable updated every weekend, and I can't recall 
any reboots other than for kernel upgrades or when it's been powered down 
while I've out of town for more than a day or two.  The machine which
currently acts as smarthost for tardis' outbound mail is running
unstable updated approximately daily and hasn't done anything
particularly nasty to me.

If you really want to run an up-to-date system and can't tolerate any
breakage at all then you probably want to have a test box sitting by
which you can try out the new versions on before your production system
falls over.

Otherwise, giving it a day or two before installing new packages and 
paying attention to bug reports and the lists should help you steer
clear of anything really serious.  Using apt, you can track just the
list of packages you need rather than the entire distribution.

> What can we do to get this accomplished?

> I'm willing to put in some work to get this ball going.  Does anybody
> else see this as worthwhile?

Check out the extensive existing discussion in the -devel archives.  There 
are several proposals, some of which would require code to be written.
IMHO it's probably enough to get the release cycle down to six months,
though a semi-stable distribution may be one way to achieve that.

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Re: Problems with printing

[Bob Nielsen]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 12:48:00AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have two, not unconnected problems I suspect, with printing.
> 
> The first is directly from linux, in that when it comes out the printer,
> its stepped across the page and is unreadable.  Is there an easy method
> to fix that?

You need to run your text through a filter.  The printing HOWTOs
explain this.  The short answer is to install either magicfilter or
apsfilter (and probably gs, a2ps, etc.)


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Re: why no package status feature for dpkg?

[Nathan E Norman]

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Russell Nelson wrote:

 : So who *knows* what I'm running now, and whether it corresponds to
 : anything remotely resembling Official Debian 2.0.  Somebody remind me
 : again how .deb is the perfect packaging format, sublime in all the
 : details of its creation, without flaw in its every detail, and how all
 : others (should) bow low to it.  I still haven't found an explanation
 : of why RPM sucks so badly that Debian developers cannot fix it.  I
 : mean, xterm sucked so badly that somebody had to create xterm-debian
 : and break everybody's termcap, so why not RPM-debian and break
 : everybody else's RPM manipulators?

Sounds like you need to run RedHat.


People who post "I'm pissed off and Debian sucks so help me now"
messages probably don't get it.


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ppp refusing connections due to pam

[Lindsay Allen]

Hi,

I used apt yesterday to upgrade some packages including some libpam
packages and now an incoming ppp connection fails with entries like this
in the log: 

Oct  1 21:17:08 elm PAM_unix[25488]: check pass; user unknown
Oct  1 21:17:08 elm PAM_unix[25488]: authentication failure; LOGIN(uid=0)
-> CONNECT 57600 for login service
Oct  1 21:17:10 elm login[25488]: FAILED LOGIN 1 FROM  FOR CONNECT 57600,
Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.

Connections worked yesterday morning.  I use mgetty with this line:

/AutoPPP/ - au_ppp  /usr/sbin/pppd debug


My box is potato with some slink packages still installed.  

elm:# dpkg -l login libc6 libpam\* ppp\*
ii  login   19990827-4  System login tools
ii  libc6   2.1.2-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libpam-modules  0.69-7  Pluggable Authentication Modules for PAM
ii  libpam-runtime  0.69-7  Runtime support for the PAM library
ii  libpam0g0.69-7  Pluggable Authentication Modules library
ii  ppp 2.3.9-1 Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon.
pn  ppp-pam  (no description available)

I have no idea at all what PAM_unix is or how to go about fixing this
problem.  I would just like to ppp working again which will buy me time 
to research all this properly.  Any help would be most appreciated. 

Thanks,
Lindsay
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voice +61 8 9316 248632.0125S 115.8445E  Debian Linux
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GNU Emacs-20.4 debs

[Alexander Zhuckov]

Hi!

Tell me, ple-e-e-e-ase, where I can find
GNU Emacs 20.4 Debian packages?
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tar help (excluding files)

[Chrisopher D. Judd]

Hi, All,

 I tried to back up my home directory today for the first time in 
a month or so (I back it up to zip drvie which was dead;  I got a new
one yesterday).  I used the same command which I always do:

 tar -cPvzf /zip/cdj.tgz --exclude-from=.tar_exclude .

 .tar_exclude is a short file:
 .netscape/*
 download/*
 Office51/*

 This time it didn't exclude the files.  I tried specifying patterns
on the command line but this didn't work either.  I checked the timestamp
on /bin/tar and it says Sep 14, so it must have been updated since my 
last backup.  Is this a known bug, or am I doing something wrong now? 

-Chris

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download problem in " potato" version

[yfang]

Dear Dr. Benham or to whom may concern:

I tried to download binary source through ftp on
ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386

However, every time the transfer process will stoped at "devel" folder and
gave me the error message.

would you please have a look at it?

Sincerely,

Yi

Re: GNU Emacs-20.4 debs

[Jean Pierre LeJacq]

On 1 Oct 1999, Alexander Zhuckov wrote:

> Tell me, ple-e-e-e-ase, where I can find
> GNU Emacs 20.4 Debian packages?

In unstable distribution in the packages xemacs20-*.

-- 
Jean Pierre

Re: ppp refusing connections due to pam

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 10:42:54PM +0800, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I used apt yesterday to upgrade some packages including some libpam
> packages and now an incoming ppp connection fails with entries like this
> in the log: 
> 
> Oct  1 21:17:08 elm PAM_unix[25488]: check pass; user unknown
> Oct  1 21:17:08 elm PAM_unix[25488]: authentication failure; LOGIN(uid=0)
> -> CONNECT 57600 for login service
> Oct  1 21:17:10 elm login[25488]: FAILED LOGIN 1 FROM  FOR CONNECT 57600,
> Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
> 
> Connections worked yesterday morning.  I use mgetty with this line:
> 
> /AutoPPP/ - au_ppp  /usr/sbin/pppd debug

Where are your ppp users coming from (NIS, /etc/passwd)? It seems that it
cannot find the user that is logging in.

Ben

Re: How to filter this list?

[Rob Mahurin]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 12:39:54PM +0200, Manuel Arenaz Silva wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am interrested in filtering the incoming mail. On my opinion, my situation 
> is quite
> different from the explained in this thread. I am the administrator of a PC 
> K6-3
> 400MHz running Debian Linux. I use a mail server (mercurio.des.fi.udc.es) to 
> send and
> receive mails.
> 
> [mercurio:/home/des/becarios/arenaz]$ uname -a
> SunOS mercurio 5.7 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCclassic
> 
> My question is: What do I need in order to filter the incomming mail received 
> in the
> server? Can I manage using "elm"?
> 

You sound like a candidate for procmail.  IIRC, one of the examples in
the procmail docs is how to filter debian-user.

Rob

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Re: Slink to Potato

[Carl Fink]

In linux.debian.user, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Some people just don't have the luxury of working with Unstable. However, much
>of the software released, like Gnome, GIMP, LyX and such *is* stable.
>Enlightenment 0.15.x is quite stable, albeit incomplete. It is no less stable
>than the 0.14.6 that ships on the Slink CDs. So what I'd like to see is a
>collection of upgrades to the current Stable from the Unstable chain, just the
>way its done in the Linux kernel. This will keep everybody happy and will delay
>the obsolescense of Stable. Right now, I wouldn't recommend Slink to anybody.
>It's just too out of date.  I'm only playing around with it because I have
>a need for it in the future.

When I asked a similar question a long time ago (but still when slink
was stable!) it was explained to me thusly:  if you start modifying
"stable", then you might break it.  That means that if one permitted
regular modifications/upgrades to stable packages, one would have to
go through the entire beta-test cycle ON THE ENTIRE RELEASE each time
a package was upgraded.  This is impractical.

The problem, of course, is that potato is taking a very long time to
be released.  (Is it even frozen yet?  I haven't kept track.)  I,
too, am waiting for some of the newer software with metaphorically
bated breath.  So, since you offered to help, the thing you could do
is help test potato and get it released.
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Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[John Hasler]

I wrote: 
> I suppose this is a dumb question, but why would anyone bother with
> daylight savings time in a tropical country?

Taupter writes:
> Brazil is not one immense rain forest, as some people would think.

What's that got to do with it seasonal variation in daylight?
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smbmount

[Juha Pesonen]

Hi,

When smbmount fails to mount a NT-share, the mount entry exists in
/etc/mount after failed mount anyway. This prevents mounting anything
else to that mount point. Is this a so-called bug or what? I'm using the
latest stable version (at least apt-get told me so...) on debian 2.1. df
doesn't know anything about the mount but I just umount it, and
everything is just fine.

Another thing: is it possible to give passwd on command line to
smbmount?

juha

Re: why no package status feature for dpkg?

[Rob Mahurin]

On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 11:31:25PM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote:
> Why does dpkg not have a way to check the cksum's of the package's
> contents.  I deleted a bunch of man pages, and now I find myself
> having to write perl scripts to coerce dpkg into releasing the
> information about missing files.  And even then, I won't know if a
> file is really undamaged.

Good idea --- maybe a "dpkg --check-corrupted" to see if a supposedly
installed package has been damaged or had components removed.  I'm not
a coder at all, but maybe somebody else who reads this post is.

A temporary hack would be, when you have a man page go missing, do a
dpkg --remove package; apt-get install package.  Until you need the
page, don't worry about it.

> 
> So who *knows* what I'm running now, and whether it corresponds to
> anything remotely resembling Official Debian 2.0.

Yeah, I was running probably 1/3 unstable for a while.  I went to
glibc2.1 to use the new kernel and that kept breaking little things,
and I finally said screw it and went to a full potato box.  Unstable
for Debian is pretty stable, though; I figure as long as I don't
follow the bleeding edge and only upgrade what's broken I'll be fine.

> Somebody remind me again how .deb is the perfect packaging format,
>sublime in all the details of its creation, without flaw in its every
>detail, and how all others (should) bow low to it.  I still haven't
>found an explanation of why RPM sucks so badly that Debian developers
>cannot fix it.  I mean, xterm sucked so badly that somebody had to
>create xterm-debian and break everybody's termcap, so why not
>RPM-debian and break everybody else's RPM manipulators?

I bet you'd feel a lot better if you hadn't just been beating this to
death for several hours.  Get a good night's sleep and a warm meal.

Rob

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Re: why no package status feature for dpkg?

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:38:22AM -0400, Rob Mahurin wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 11:31:25PM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote:
> > Why does dpkg not have a way to check the cksum's of the package's
> > contents.  I deleted a bunch of man pages, and now I find myself
> > having to write perl scripts to coerce dpkg into releasing the
> > information about missing files.  And even then, I won't know if a
> > file is really undamaged.
> 
> Good idea --- maybe a "dpkg --check-corrupted" to see if a supposedly
> installed package has been damaged or had components removed.  I'm not
> a coder at all, but maybe somebody else who reads this post is.
> 
> A temporary hack would be, when you have a man page go missing, do a
> dpkg --remove package; apt-get install package.  Until you need the
> page, don't worry about it.

Umm, how about installing debsums and read the manpage.

Ben

Re: Slink to Potato

[Rob Mahurin]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:17:41AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 03:52:47PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> > I've been slowly upgrading my packages from slink to potato, and
> > frankly, have never had a single problem.  I was nervous about upgrading
> > perl, because I've seen all sorts of veiled references to possible
> > hosage (although I've never seen a concise statement of the actual
> > problem), but eventually I just did it, and removed the old perl.
> > Result?  No problems, everything seems to work perfectly.  Perhaps there
> > are a few packages that crash and burn, but I apparently don't use any
> > of them.
> > 
> 
> How are you doing this?  Do you just go get the packages and 'dpkg -i' them
> or do you use apt?  There are a bunch of things I want to upgrade on my
> system but I assumed that all of the potato packages would have dependencies
> to library versions I don't have and that updating my libraries would
> break slink packages that I do have.
> 

This is exactly what apt is for.  Even dpkg -i will say something like
"package depends on lib2.0 but you only have lib0.2, you loser".

As far as hearing horror stories on the list, that's because this is
largely a help list.  The people who upgrade from slink to potato and
don't have any problems don't ask for help.   I did it last week and
it's very nice, thank you.

Rob

-- 
If you wish to succeed, consult three old people.

Re: GNU Emacs-20.4 debs

[Alexander Zhuckov]

Jean Pierre LeJacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 1 Oct 1999, Alexander Zhuckov wrote:
> 
> > Tell me, ple-e-e-e-ase, where I can find
> > GNU Emacs 20.4 Debian packages?
> 
> In unstable distribution in the packages xemacs20-*.

No, thanks. I want GNU Emacs, not XEmacs.

-- 
Alexander Zhuckov   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   2:5030/518.50

Perl dependency problems in unstable

[John R. Sheets]

Hi,

I just did an upgrade of the latest unstable branch, and ran into a
rather perplexing problem with the perl-5.005-doc package.  Dselect
won't let me change the upgrade status of that package.  In fact, it
won't even let me hold it!  When I hold it and the main perl package, it
comes back with a dependency conflict, and tries to set it back to
Install.  The only way I can get out of the dependency conflict screen
is to agree to upgrade both perl and perl-doc packages.

However!

When I try to go through with it, I get this error, which bails out the
upgrade process prematurely, leaving me with a handful of non-installed
packages

Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
(Reading database ... 52339 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace perl-5.005-doc 5.005.03-3 (using
/var/cache/apt/archives/perl-5.005-doc_5.005.03-4_all.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement perl-5.005-doc ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/perl-5.005-doc_5.005.03-4_all.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Carp.3pm.gz', which is
also in package libcgi-perl
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-5.005-doc_5.005.03-4_all.deb
E: Sub-process returned an error code (1)
Some errors occurred while unpacking. I'm going to configure the
packages that were installed. This may result in duplicate errors
or errors caused by missing dependencies. This is OK, only the errors
above this message are important. Please fix them and run [I]nstall
again
Press enter to continue.

What's going on?  I tried uninstalling libcgi-perl, and that didn't work
either.

Thanks,
John

Re: GNU Emacs-20.4 debs

[Oleg Krivosheev]

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Alexander Zhuckov wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Tell me, ple-e-e-e-ase, where I can find
> GNU Emacs 20.4 Debian packages?
> -- 
> Alexander Zhuckov   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   2:5030/518.50

search the mail list archive(s) - someone announced unofficial
20.4 debs about a week ago

OK

debconf back from gtk to text, how

[Ingo Reimann]

Hi guys,

a maybe silly question:

when i installed debconf, i was happy, when he asked my, whether to use some
nice gtk-interface or not.
I thought, this was a good idea, and so during apt-get update/upgrade, some
windows pops up an vanishes, but I only see a black box. How do i get rid of
this an switch to a text-based output

Thanks alot,

Ingo Reimann
 

Remote Managed Debian Servers

[Martin Oldfield]

Does anyone on the list know of companies offering remote servers
running Debian ?  People like Verio, Webhosting.com, Concentric, and
Exodus seem besotted with Red Hat boxes.

Cheers,
-- 
Martin Oldfield.

Re: Slink to Potato

[longship]

> Well, it's a bit better than that - particularly if you keep up with the
> various lists (mostly -user and -devel) you should be all right.  It's
> more a case of "pay attention and be prepared to fix things if they
> break" than anything else.  I'd guess that a fair proportion of
> developers are running at least some unstable, and we like our machines
> to continue to work.

Wouldn't it be nice is this information was collated at one location so
that people could build on what's already been done and not have to try
everything new every time.  That's what open source is about--sharing.

What I am proposing is to help collate the information, do the research
so that people coming after me don't have to "keep up with the various
lists".   This is a no-brainer.  It needs to be done and it needs to be
done now.

> 
> > Some people just don't have the luxury of working with Unstable. However,=
>  much
> > of the software released, like Gnome, GIMP, LyX and such *is* stable.
> 
> Sure, but which software and how does it play together :-) .  I can
> actually imagine this being a more serious problem these days with
> things like GNOME having so many librarie to get right.
> 

Those are a nightmare.  That's why it's important for somebody who's already 
got things working with Slink to document it and share with others so that
everybody doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.

> > So what I'd like to see is
> > collection of upgrades to the current Stable from the Unstable chain, jus=
> t the
> > way its done in the Linux kernel. This will keep everybody happy and will=
>  delay
> 
> > the obsolescense of Stable. Right now, I wouldn't recommend Slink to anyb=
> ody.
> > It's just too out of date.  I'm only playing around with it because I have
> > a need for it in the future.
> 
> I think that's a bit extreme - this machine is running a vanilla Slink
> system plus kernel 2.2 and the GNOME panel (and it's not as though I
> couldn't do without the GNOME panel) and it does everything I would want
> in a Unix system.  There isn't much visible difference between it and
> the potato systems I run.

What's extreme is that hundreds of Debian users have stable upgraded systems
and nobody has bothered to document it and post a How-To.

And yes, I could go without GIMP and Enlightenment and even X Windows, too.
What your telling me is that when using Debian, I have to get used to using
out of date stuff.  I won't buy that when the solution is so easy--document
what you've done and put it up on a damn Web site so others can benefit
from your experience.

> 
> Then again, the potato boxes are pretty much solid - my router/server
> box here at home runs unstable updated every weekend, and I can't recall=20
> any reboots other than for kernel upgrades or when it's been powered down=
> =20
> while I've out of town for more than a day or two.  The machine which
> currently acts as smarthost for tardis' outbound mail is running
> unstable updated approximately daily and hasn't done anything
> particularly nasty to me.

> If you really want to run an up-to-date system and can't tolerate any
> breakage at all then you probably want to have a test box sitting by
> which you can try out the new versions on before your production system
> falls over.

I have one system for this very purpose.  I will use it as a test base
before updating my S.u.S.E. machines to Debian.  My server will remain
S.u.S.E. until potato is Stable--hopefully before the end of the year.

> Otherwise, giving it a day or two before installing new packages and=20
> paying attention to bug reports and the lists should help you steer
> clear of anything really serious.  Using apt, you can track just the
> list of packages you need rather than the entire distribution.
> 
> > What can we do to get this accomplished?
> 
> > I'm willing to put in some work to get this ball going.  Does anybody
> > else see this as worthwhile?
> 
> Check out the extensive existing discussion in the -devel archives.  There=
> are several proposals, some of which would require code to be written.
> IMHO it's probably enough to get the release cycle down to six months,
> though a semi-stable distribution may be one way to achieve that.
> 

I will do that.  I will also see what kind of interest there is on this.

I, too, was thinking that this would result in what may be called a
semi-stable distribution.  Basically it means having another chain of
programs with updated contributions which include instructions on integration
with Slink.  Dependencies would have to be worked out to build .deb packages,
but that will work itself out in testing, which can be a simple go/no-go.

I welcome other ideas on this.  Please chime in.

Regards,
Arne

Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[Keith G. Murphy]

Taupter wrote:
> 
> John Hasler wrote:
> >
> > I suppose this is a dumb question, but why would anyone bother with
> > daylight savings time in a tropical country?
> 
> Despite some opinions, we have a large industrial park, 180 million
> people, a high energy comsumption. There is no outdoors with "Coming
> soon... Coca Cola!". Brazil is not one immense rain forest, as some
> people would think.
> 
Hey, settle down there, guy!  If I may be so presumptuous, I think
John's point was that there's so little difference in the tropics in
amount of daylight between summer and winter.

True story, not even tangentially on-topic:

In high school I was in a car with 3 other guys going to play tennis
doubles.  I knew two of the other guys, but the 3rd, a friend of one of
the others, was unknown to me (he looked kind of dark; I thought he was
Oriental).

Someone mentioned South America, and I said, "Aw, all they do in South
America is blow darts."  (Yes, it was a lousy, bigoted attempt at
humor.)

The dark guy piped up and said, "I assure you, we do not just blow
darts."

I was so embarrassed, I didn't even say anything.  I just looked at the
floor.

Re: Slink to Potato

[longship]

> When I asked a similar question a long time ago (but still when slink
> was stable!) it was explained to me thusly:  if you start modifying
> "stable", then you might break it.  That means that if one permitted
> regular modifications/upgrades to stable packages, one would have to
> go through the entire beta-test cycle ON THE ENTIRE RELEASE each time
> a package was upgraded.  This is impractical.

Stability with stagnation in a rapidly evolving world is not practical.

Forcing the hundreds or thousands of people who have updated their
Debian releases to do so without the assistance of others who have
already done so is most impractical.

> 
> The problem, of course, is that potato is taking a very long time to
> be released.  (Is it even frozen yet?  I haven't kept track.)  I,
> too, am waiting for some of the newer software with metaphorically
> bated breath.  So, since you offered to help, the thing you could do
> is help test potato and get it released.

I have no desire to test potato at this time.  I have other projects which
consume my time.  I will, however, write up a Debian Update HowTo which
lists those Unstable modules which people have ported to Slink so that
every other person who wants to do this doesn't have to go through the
agony of researching everything anew.

I know of no other distribution which provides this information.  Debian
could be the first.  Of course, with Slink being so out of date, it just
so happens that Debian needs this more than the others.  At this point,
it needs it very badly.

Regards,

Arne
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Slink to Potato

[longship]

> On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:17:41AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > How are you doing this?  Do you just go get the packages and 'dpkg -i' them
> > or do you use apt?  There are a bunch of things I want to upgrade on my
> > system but I assumed that all of the potato packages would have dependencie
s
> > to library versions I don't have and that updating my libraries would
> > break slink packages that I do have.
> > 
> 
> This is exactly what apt is for.  Even dpkg -i will say something like
> "package depends on lib2.0 but you only have lib0.2, you loser".
> 
> As far as hearing horror stories on the list, that's because this is
> largely a help list.  The people who upgrade from slink to potato and
> don't have any problems don't ask for help.   I did it last week and
> it's very nice, thank you.


Rob,

I'm no apt expert.  Would you write up a section on Apt for a Debian
Update HowTo?  I will voluteer to edit and put it together as well
as providing content.  If need be, I will even host it on my server.

The HowTo would include lists of packages and the techniques
on how to bring the latest version of applications to the current
Stable Debian release.

Thanks.

Arne
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: vi problems

[Keith G. Murphy]

Dean Allen Provins wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I use 'vi' exclusively, and until upgrading to Debian 2.1, never
> experienced any problems with 'vi' exits.  It always exited on the same line
> at which it was started.  I believe at the time, I was using 'elvis' as 'vi'.
> For the record, I use 'xterm's under OpenLook, and that is were I observe
> the problem.
> 
> Now 'vi' (or rather 'nvi', as that is what is in /etc/alternatives) exits
> at seemingly arbitrary locations on the screen.  Consequently, I have
> to 'clear' the screen to find the prompt before carrying on with other
> work.
> 
If you are using telnet, don't underestimate the ability of a poor
terminal emulation implementation to cause this sort of problem.  You
might try different terminal settings in telnet, or a different telnet
client (this solved a problem I was having with Mutt leaving my screen
in reverse video).

Re: trivial egcc question...

[Mark Brown]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 10:01:24AM -0400, Jonathan Lupa wrote:

> I agree that makefiles are the way to go, but I often like to
> prototype unfamilliar language features before I use them in
> production code.  I guess I'm still screwed if I need to specify
> unweildly include paths or such since all of the responses I have
> gotten are along the lines of "you should do this instead" which is
> leading me to the conclusion that the gnu compiler doesn't support the
> environment variable schlotz that I want to do.

AFAIK it doesn't, and a quick look at the documentation reveals nothing
so you're probably right.  This has always been done by a higher level
tool than the compiler - there's no real need for the compiler to know
about it, and it would probably lead to counterintuitive results if you
forgot you had the environment variables set.

You could still use environment variables if you used make - it has a
number of default rules which will be filled in using them if they're
not in the makefile (and IIRC override the Makefile), so if you say
something like

   export CC=echo
   make foo

and there's a foo.c it will try to build foo from foo.c using a command
like

$(CC) $(CFLAGS) foo.c -o foo

Take a look at the manual for make - it can probably do what you want
even if you don't write a makefile.  If it doesn't, a shell script wrapper 
around cc probably will.

-- 
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Re: pgcc compiler for slink?

[Mark Brown]

On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 10:21:29PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Has anyone successfully patched and compiled a pgcc/egcs package for
> Slink? I was able to patch for Potato using the gcc source package and a
> slightly older gcc source tarball patched with the pgcc patches.

I've not built packages, but I've built it in /usr/local.  If anyone has 
any packages avalible could they please tell me about them so I can put 
them in the PGCC FAQ?  If you don't have any space to upload them I can 
provide some.

Last time I asked the Debian gcc maintainers, the main reason for its
absence appeared to be a lack of people willing and able to do the job 
rather than anything else.

> I recently updated one of my testing machines to Potato, and the patched
> gcc seems to be working fine. Unfortunately, the Potato gcc source package
> requires the Potato debhelper, which won't compile without versioned perl,
> and the slink egcs package doesn't patch with any pgcc patch files. :/

You can probably convince it to build without too much hacking at the
dependancies, or you could just upgrade perl (which works now).  Or just
carry on using your existing package.

> Is there any documentation on compiling for glibc 2.0 on a glibc 2.1
> system?

It's not supported that I'm aware of.  

Note that the two versions are (bugs in the user package aside) source 
compatible, so if all you want to do is build a new version of the package 
there shouldn't be any problems.  It's only a problem if you want to run
glibc2.1 binaries on a glibc2.0 system.

> And how could I verify that the patched compiler is actually producing
> optimised code? (In my case for AMD K6 with MMX)

Benchmarking.  Even if the compiler thinks it is generating code
optimised for your processor, there's no guarantee that it will
actually run any faster.

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Re: Slink to Potato

[Rob Mahurin]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 09:58:59AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Rob,
> 
> I'm no apt expert.  Would you write up a section on Apt for a Debian
> Update HowTo?  I will voluteer to edit and put it together as well
> as providing content.  If need be, I will even host it on my server.
> 
> The HowTo would include lists of packages and the techniques
> on how to bring the latest version of applications to the current
> Stable Debian release.
> 

Yeah, I guess I could do something like that --- though I don't
guarantee quality or punctuality, since I have a pretty heavy
courseload this semester.  That's why I'm not volunteering already
.  

Here's an idea for the out-of-dateness question: what if new major
revisions of software (like LyX going from 0.4 to 1.0, or,
hypothetically, Netscape going to version 5) were included in the
proposed-updates section and incorporated into the next stable
r-release (which I think will be Debian 2.0r4 or something like that.
Library dependencies and such could be resolved (or at least
stablized) in the same way that they are for security issues.  This
seems like a fair way to include newly-added functionality to the
stable release without having to change Debian's whole release cycle.
Any comments?

Rob

-- 
Time and tide wait for no man.

Re: apt package listing error.

[Andreas Piesk]

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on Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Marshal Wong wrote:
> I was just using dselect to try to update my potato box, when I got
> this message while doing a "[U]date".
>
> Reading Package Lists... Error!
> E: Malformed Priority line
> E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
> E: Problem with MergeList 
> /var/state/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
> update available list script returned error exit status 100.
>
>
> Has the package listing format changed recently?  I do tend to keep
> this box really up to date.  Usually update once a day.
>
> Marshal
>

hiho,

it's a typo in the package file. replace all occurences of 'optionnal' with
'optional' in the package list file shown in the errmsg. then re-run update.

ciao -ap
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Re: Slink to Potato

[Peter S Galbraith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>   I will, however, write up a Debian Update HowTo which
> lists those Unstable modules which people have ported to Slink so that
> every other person who wants to do this doesn't have to go through the
> agony of researching everything anew.
> 
> I know of no other distribution which provides this information.  Debian
> could be the first.

http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/

can't make 'su -'

[erasmo perez]

hi *,

i made a mistake changing the owner for all the /bin subdirectory (i
changed it for the user1 instead of root) and now i can't log as user1
neither i can make su - logged as user2. when i type 'su -' i get the
message:

su: cannot set groups: Operation not permited

does any knows how to log as root inside a telnet (without rebooting the
server)? or how can i get around this problem?

thank's every one.

Re: Slink to Potato

[longship]

> http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/

This is the type of information that should be linked to on the Debian host
site.  One should not have to come to the Mailing Lists to find this.  The
logical place to put this is with the Gnome Slink update link.

I can see that much of the information is already available.  This will make
writing the HowTo and putting together the rest much easier.

Thanks for the link.

Regards,

Arne

Re: Slink to Potato

[Peter S Galbraith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> > http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/
> 
> This is the type of information that should be linked to on the Debian host
> site. 

Unfortunately, the Debian web page is pretty static except for
the dynamically generated package indices.  Nothing much gets
added directly.  The info did appear in the Debian Weekly News
(August 10th).

> Thanks for the link.

No problem.

Re: can't make 'su -'

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:05:32PM +0200, erasmo perez wrote:
> hi *,
> 
> i made a mistake changing the owner for all the /bin subdirectory (i
> changed it for the user1 instead of root) and now i can't log as user1
> neither i can make su - logged as user2. when i type 'su -' i get the
> message:
> 
> su: cannot set groups: Operation not permited
> 
> does any knows how to log as root inside a telnet (without rebooting the
> server)? or how can i get around this problem?
> 
> thank's every one.

It seems you've changed the permissions to su, it requires suid root, and sounds
like you lost them. Most likely you will have to login as root on the console, 
or
reboot to single user.

Ben

Re: why no package status feature for dpkg?

[Russell Nelson]

Ben Collins writes:
 > Umm, how about installing debsums and read the manpage.

Because it's too late?  Sounds like I should have had debsums
installed from the beginning.

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Re: why no package status feature for dpkg?

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 03:15:30PM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote:
> Ben Collins writes:
>  > Umm, how about installing debsums and read the manpage.
> 
> Because it's too late?  Sounds like I should have had debsums
> installed from the beginning.

Umm, wrong, most packages come with md5sum, please read up on the docs
before trashing out at poeple.

Ben

Starting X Display Server

[Ramana Tadepalli]

I am unable to optimally use my display card and monitor in Linux
X server works in 4 bit mode only.
Using the Quickstart Guide from XFree86 viz.
ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/current/doc/QuickStart.doc
I figured out the use of XF86Setup. It runs fine (infact it runs using
a 800-600 resolution and what seems to be 16 bit color ).
The setup goes OK but the X server does not startup. Here is an exact
yank of what appears on the screen. I follow all instructions obediently.
*Begin Yank Segment***
The program is running on a different virtual terminal
Please switch to the correct virtual terminal
Just a moment...
Attempting to start server...
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
Unable to communicate with X server
Press [Enter] to try configuration again
Press [Enter] to continue...
can't read "messages(phase2.1)": no such variable
    while executing
"label $w.waitmsg -text $messages(phase2.1)"
    (file "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Setup/phase2.tcl"
line 25)
    invoked from within
"source /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Setup/phase2.tcl"
*End Yank Segment*
My monitor is a Philips 104S
My card is the following
***Begin card details ***
OEM string: Acer Labs. Inc. SVGA-M3147-0001
Version:    VBE 1.2 with 2048 Kb memory
 
 Graphics Chip: Acer Labs M3147V PCI with 2 MB
 RAM DAC:   ICS5342 GENDAC,
S3 86c708 GENDAC 24 bit DAC
 Clock Chip:    ICS 5340/1/2 GENDAC Integrated
Clock
End Card Details*
Where seems to be the problem ?
How do I get X to start up in the display mode as is being used by
the XF86Setup itself??
Please help..
Ramana

Pump for slink? (kernel 2.2.5)

[F.P. Groeneveld]

Hey there everyone,

is there a debianized pump around, for slink/2.2.5?

Cheers,

   Derk

Re: debconf back from gtk to text, how

[Joey Hess]

Ingo Reimann wrote:
> when i installed debconf, i was happy, when he asked my, whether to use some
> nice gtk-interface or not.
> I thought, this was a good idea, and so during apt-get update/upgrade, some
> windows pops up an vanishes, but I only see a black box. How do i get rid of
> this an switch to a text-based output

Run "dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=text debconf" and this time read the note
saying that the GTK interface is experimental, and make your coice more
wisely.

Note that if you upgraded to unstable in the past few days, that won't work
and you should just delete /var/lib/debconf/debconf.db instead. (It will
start working again tomorrow..)

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Re: Slink to Potato

[Brad]

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On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When I talked with some Debian folks at Linux World, they indicated
> that Potato was fairly stable and that I could safely upgrade a Slink
> installation to Potato without problems.  However, when looking at the
> mailing list archives, it seems that it isn't so.  For one, perl and
> everything it depends on is broken.  Ooops!

It was at one point. That has been fixed now.

For the most part, you can update a slink system to potato with no
trouble. However, there's always the possibility that something will
break, like the Lilo problem of a few days ago (which, BTW, has been
temporarily downgraded to a working version)...

> There was also some talk about bringing the latest applications from
> Unstable to Stable so that Stable remains up to date, which is kind of
> what they do with the Linux kernel.  Without some mechanism to do
> this, Debian is badly outdated.  Slink still ships with Enlightenment
> 0.14, Gnome 0.30 and LyX 0.12--my favorite tools are hopelessly
> unusable.

Depending on the particular package, recompiling for slink can be as
simple as "apt-get --compile source packagename" (with a new enough
version of apt, of course). The versioned Perl dependancies and such can
be fixed by editing debian/control in the downloaded source.

Of course, there _could_ be libraries that need upgrading to, or a program
may really need glibc 2.1 and can't work with 2.0 in slink. That's why i
said "can be" above ;)

> I need a 2.2 kernel before I can use Debian on my main box.  But, I am
> experimenting with Slink on a small Pentium box.  I must say that
> everything works wonderfully.  I can apt-get through my big box's
> ip-chains.  Everything is cool except for the legacy major
> components, like the windows managers.

There's a howto somewhere on the Debian site saying which packages have to
be updated to use a 2.2 kernel with Slink. Also, in the kernel sources
from your.fav.mirror.kernel.org there's a listing of various software and
which version it should be.

> I want to upgrade the packages to the latest.  I know that many Debian
> users do this because nobody could remain happy with standard Slink
> for long. 

I could, given the proper circumstances. For example, the webserver where
i work still runs Apache 0.8.something since "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it!"

> Is there a standard place for updated packages?  If there isn't, there
> should be.  At least I want the latest released Gnome, Enlightenment,
> LyX and GIMP--all the major packages which take so much effort to
> compile and install from tarballs.  Somebody has done this.

It's not standard, but check out ftp.netgod.net/x. Many slinkified apps
there.


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Linux/NT dual booting

[Dave Wiard]

i want to boot both NT and Linux directly from the hard disk (dual boot)..  is
this even possible with an x86 machine?  i want the x86 machine to somewhat
match my Alpha, but i've never been successful in getting this to work..  NT
always f*%@(^ up my boot sector..  could someone help me out with how to make
this work?

DOS boot partition on hda1
Linux on hda2
NT on hdb1

Dave Wiard
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CS - Western Washington University

HP J3171 PCI Lan Adapter under Debian 2.1

[Gary Young]

I have installed debian 2.1 on an HP Vectra Xu
platform with the "HP 10/100 Mbps Network Interface".
When I try to configure the kernel module driver,
hp100.o, in the installation or later with 'modconf'
I get "Device or resource busy".

I temporarily inserted a LinkSys EtherPCI II card
and installed the ne2k-pci driver.  The modconf
added it fine, and the network link worked.

Does anyone have any experience with the HP Lan card
or know of any additional resources I could contact.
I have looked at the hp100.o module in the kernel
and messages on the kernel list, the debian-users
archives, the www.hp.com site, and such without any
luck.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Linux/NT dual booting

[Jean Pierre LeJacq]

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Dave Wiard wrote:

> i want to boot both NT and Linux directly from the hard disk (dual boot)..  is
> this even possible with an x86 machine?  i want the x86 machine to somewhat
> match my Alpha, but i've never been successful in getting this to work..  NT

There's a Linux HOWTO on this topic.  I works great.

-- 
Jean Pierre

NIS & current unstable

[Wakko Warner]

Is there any known problems with NIS and the current unstable (as of
9-30-1999)

I have a diskless machine booting that mounts another for it's root (it's
root is seperate of the server and has the latest unstable as of the above
date).

I have added the +:  stuff to passwd/shadow, nsswitch.conf has:
passwd: compat
group: compat
shadow: compat

Here's what happens:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/] chroot /[nfs-server here] /usr/bin/perl -e
'(@a)=getpwnam("[username here]");print "$a[1]\n"'
0ytKPR777ROBY
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/] perl -e '(@a)=getpwnam("wd4d");print "$a[1]\n"'
*
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/]

the nfs server this machine mounts as root has also mounted that server's
root into another directory.  This works (just happens that the nfs server
is running hamm.  No I'm not upgrading what works ).  nsswitch.conf,
passwd, and shadow are the exact same things on the nfs server and this
client's etc dir.

As shown above, it's not an access problem!

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Re: Newer LICQ?

[Bill]

Thanks I've,
I've been using GTKICQ, it works but sometimes behaves a bit unstably... I'm
still looking for something better.
Thanks again
Bill

Rob wrote:

> Ive used them all (X versions) and have had the best luck with GtkIcq. Using V
> 0.57.
> Robert
> ICQ 815773
>
> On 23-Sep-99 Bill wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > I've been using the licq package that is standard with slink, this
> > version is very old something like version 0.44. On the net the latest
> > stable version is .701. Is there a deb for this anywhere or is there a
> > better client that I can use?
> > Thanks
> > Bill

Sound: "no sndstat device", yet there it is

[Kent West]

According to the howto I'm following (sortta - it appears to be out of
date, maybe?), I'm supposed to be able to give the command "cat
/dev/sndstat" and get a list of info on my sound card. Yet when I try, I
get "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device". Yet when I do an "ls -l
\dev\snd*" I get:
   crw-rw   1 root audio 14,   6 Oct  1 16:46 /dev/sndstat
which is pretty much what the howto suggests I should get.

If I run "saytime" or play some other sound utility, etc,  I hear a dit,
like something's being played VERY fast, so I suspect it may be related
to an IRQ conflict or something, but this is a PCI card (ES137x) which I
thought was more or less PnP. Of course I'm still very green in
LinuxLand, so it could be something very simple that I'm
stupidly/ignorantly overlooking.

Apparently the dmesg "queue" has been replaced with other system events
since the last reboot; is there anyway I can get to that information
without rebooting (after all, reboots are for that other OS...)?

Thanks for any help!

Proxy Server Problems

[Bill]

Hello again,
I have a problem. I have two networks 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.2.0,
they have a router joining them. What I want  to do is put a proxy
server on one network (192.168.1.0) and have machines on both networks
have access to the Internet.
Can anyone tell me which proxy server to use. I've tried using SOCKS
and it lets the machines on the 192.168.1.0 network communicate with the
internet, but machines on the other network do not get out. I get
messages like:

Sep 30 14:09:26 debian sockd[5075]: Error in socks_GetDst: No such file
or directory; from host 192.168.2.2
Sep 30 14:10:07 debian sockd[5076]: connected -- Connect from
SSL(unknown)@192.168.2.2 to debian.bermudez (1080)
Sep 30 14:10:07 debian sockd[5077]: error -- wrong version (0x47) from
host debian.bermudez.
Sep 30 14:10:07 debian sockd[5076]: terminated -- Connect from
SSL(unknown)@192.168.2.2 to debian.bermudez (1080).
Sep 30 14:10:07 debian sockd[5076]: 414 bytes from 192.168.2.2, 0 bytes
from debian.bermudez

However I can ping and telnet from network to the other. The 192.168.1.0
network can get mail and all other net services I need but nada from the
192.168.2.0 network.

Socks route file - router are at x.x.x.13
# routes for sockd
#
# IP of interface destination netmask for destination
# eg: 10.0.0.254 10.0.0.28 255.255.255.255

#new lines
192.168.1.1  192.168.2.13 255.255.255.255
192.168.1.13  192.168.2.13 255.255.255.0

#original line added first
192.168.1.1  0.0.0.0  0.0.0.0

Socks conf file
# Replace 'my.domain' below with your own domain name before using.
# Make sure you retain the leading period.

#deny ALL  0.0.0.0  .my.domain  0.0.0.0

#permit my.domain  0.0.0.0 ALL  0.0.0.0
permit  ?=n 192.168.0.0  255.255.0.0  ALL 0.0.0.0

Thanks all
Bill

ps I think that route file looks fishy

wvdial hangs?

[pplaw]

debs,

is wvdial "hanging" when the cursor gets a blank line after: " - - >
starting pppd
@ (date/time) 1999"?  or am i supposed to do something?  shouldn't i
get some
sort of prompt?

ia, t.

bentley taylor.

//

Where's the HOWTO's?

[Kent West]

According to the FAQOMATIC I'm reading, I should be able to find a howto
in /usr/doc/HOWTO if I have installed the doc-linux-text package. So I
just installed it, and there is no /usr/doc/HOWTO directory that I can
find. I went into dselect to look at the package description, but it
doesn't indicate where the files are installed.

Did something go wrong with the install (with no error messages that
I saw)? Or is the FAQOMATIC wrong, in which case, where can I find the
HOWTOs?

Thanks!

Re: anacron read out

[eric k. wolven]

Ray:

You suggested I didn't have textutils installed:  both apt-get & dselect say 
the "newest version" is installed. (textutils-2.01).

Generally system is ok but the most recent update of gpm, message error says 
"id" not found.  Whatever is missing/not linked is elusive.

Eric Wolven




> Hi!
> 
> Newbie here
> 
> I'm getting this read-out from my daily cron but haven't a clue what is wrong 
> or more importantly, how to fix it.  Any ideas?
> 
> /etc/cron.daily/cracklib
> /usr/sbin/crack_mdict: tr: command not found
> /usr/sbin/crack_mdict: tr: command not found
> /usr/sbin/crack_mdict: line 23: 645 Boken pipe zcat -f $*
>   646 Done(127)   | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'
>   647 Done(127)   | tr -cd '\012[a-z][0-9]'
>   648 Done| $Sort
>   649 Done| uniq
>   650 Done| grep -v '^#'
>   651 Done| grep -v '^$'
> /etc/cron.daily/standard:
> /usr/sbin/checksecurity: wc: command not found
> /usr/sbin/checksecurity: [: -gt: unary operator expected
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Where's the HOWTO's?

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

> According to the FAQOMATIC I'm reading, I should be able to find a howto
> in /usr/doc/HOWTO if I have installed the doc-linux-text package. So I
> just installed it, and there is no /usr/doc/HOWTO directory that I can
> find. I went into dselect to look at the package description, but it
> doesn't indicate where the files are installed.
>
> Did something go wrong with the install (with no error messages that
> I saw)? Or is the FAQOMATIC wrong, in which case, where can I find the
> HOWTOs?
>
> Thanks!

Never mind. I did an "updatedb", and then a "locate HOWTO"; they are in
/usr/share/doc, not /usr/doc.

Thanks anyway!

Re: Where's the HOWTO's?

[Brad]

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On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Kent West wrote:

> Kent West wrote:
> 
> > According to the FAQOMATIC I'm reading, I should be able to find a howto
> > in /usr/doc/HOWTO if I have installed the doc-linux-text package. So I
> > just installed it, and there is no /usr/doc/HOWTO directory that I can
> > find. I went into dselect to look at the package description, but it
> > doesn't indicate where the files are installed.
> >
> > Did something go wrong with the install (with no error messages that
> > I saw)? Or is the FAQOMATIC wrong, in which case, where can I find the
> > HOWTOs?
> 
> Never mind. I did an "updatedb", and then a "locate HOWTO"; they are in
> /usr/share/doc, not /usr/doc.

Just for the good of the list, i'll point out another way you could've
done it. Since you know that they came from the doc-linux-text package,
you could use "dpkg -L doc-linux-text" to display all files in that
package.

This won't catch files dynamically created in the pre/postinst IIRC.


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Re: Where's the HOWTO's?

[Brian Servis]

*- On  1 Oct, Kent West wrote about "Re: Where's the HOWTO's?"
> Kent West wrote:
> 
>> According to the FAQOMATIC I'm reading, I should be able to find a howto
>> in /usr/doc/HOWTO if I have installed the doc-linux-text package. So I
>> just installed it, and there is no /usr/doc/HOWTO directory that I can
>> find. I went into dselect to look at the package description, but it
>> doesn't indicate where the files are installed.
>>
>> Did something go wrong with the install (with no error messages that
>> I saw)? Or is the FAQOMATIC wrong, in which case, where can I find the
>> HOWTOs?
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
> Never mind. I did an "updatedb", and then a "locate HOWTO"; they are in
> /usr/share/doc, not /usr/doc.
> 

This is because the FAQOMATIC was written before Debian started
adopting the FHS.  The FSSTND said that doc's should go in /usr/doc and
FHS says docs should go into /usr/share/doc.  There has been LOTS of
debate on debian-devel about how to deal with this. (Read the archive
for all the details.)

One way to check the true locations of where a package put its files is
to do a 'dpkg -L ', this will list the contents of the
/var/lib/dpkg/info/.list file.

Example:
# dpkg -L hello
/.
/usr
/usr/doc
/usr/doc/hello
/usr/doc/hello/copyright
/usr/doc/hello/changelog.gz
/usr/doc/hello/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/man
/usr/man/man1
/usr/man/man1/hello.1.gz
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/hello
/usr/info
/usr/info/hello.info.gz

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Re: Strange Behaviour of apt-get update

[Todd Suess]

To fix this, do the following:

edit 
/var/state/apt/lists/ftp.br.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i38 
6_Packages
with your favorite text editor (I use JOE), and search for aleph-dev and 
aleph-doc.  Correct the
spelling of the word optional in the priority fields of each package (there 
are 2).


save the file, and issue the command:

dpkg --merge-avail 
/var/state/apt/lists/ftp.br.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i38 
6_Packages


This will merge the package file into your database and you will have 
access to all packages.


Be aware that if you issue an apt-get update command again, you will have 
to redo the

above steps, at least until the package file is corrected on the remote end.

Regards,

Todd



At 09:19 AM 10/1/1999 +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote:

Hi all,
today I'm trying to update my machines with apt and there is a 
strange

error:
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/main Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/main Release
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/contrib Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/contrib Release
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.br.debian.org unstable/non-free Release
Reading Package Lists... Error!
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
E: Problem with MergeList
/var/state/apt/lists/ftp.br.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i3 
86_Packages

E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
update available list script returned error exit status 100.
Press RETURN to continue.

What is this?
Thanks, Paulo Henrique


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Re: anacron read out

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 01-Oct-99 eric k. wolven wrote:
> Ray:
> 
> You suggested I didn't have textutils installed:  both apt-get & dselect say 
> the "newest version" is installed. (textutils-2.01).
> 
> Generally system is ok but the most recent update of gpm, message error says 
> "id" not found.  Whatever is missing/not linked is elusive.
> 

Perhaps the PATH value is unhappy?

Re: Sound: "no sndstat device", yet there it is

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

> According to the howto I'm following (sortta - it appears to be out of
> date, maybe?), I'm supposed to be able to give the command "cat
> /dev/sndstat" and get a list of info on my sound card. Yet when I try, I
> get "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device". Yet when I do an "ls -l
> \dev\snd*" I get:
>crw-rw   1 root audio 14,   6 Oct  1 16:46 /dev/sndstat
> which is pretty much what the howto suggests I should get.
>
> If I run "saytime" or play some other sound utility, etc,  I hear a dit,
> like something's being played VERY fast, so I suspect it may be related
> to an IRQ conflict or something, but this is a PCI card (ES137x) which I
> thought was more or less PnP. Of course I'm still very green in
> LinuxLand, so it could be something very simple that I'm
> stupidly/ignorantly overlooking.
>
> Apparently the dmesg "queue" has been replaced with other system events
> since the last reboot; is there anyway I can get to that information
> without rebooting (after all, reboots are for that other OS...)?
>
> Thanks for any help!

I did a "rmmod es1371" and then an "insmod es1371" and then was able to see 
some info
via dmesg. dmesg returned:

es1371: unloading
es1371: version v0.11 time 15:59:48 Sep 10 1999
es1371: found adapter at io 0x1080 irq 11
es1371: features: joystick 0x0
es1371: codec vendor CRY revision 3
es1371: codec features Headphone out 18bit DAC 18bit ADC
es1371: stereo enhancement: no 3D stereo enhancement
es1371: unloading
es1370: version v0.20 time 15:59:44 Sep 10 1999
es1371: version v0.11 time 15:59:48 Sep 10 1999
es1371: found adapter at io 0x1080 irq 11
es1371: features: joystick 0x0
es1371: codec vendor CRY revision 3
es1371: codec features Headphone out 18bit DAC 18bit ADC
es1371: stereo enhancement: no 3D stereo enhancement

Does this look okay?

Related question: Do I need isapnptools for a PCI card (I don't think so). 
Should
"pnpdump" return any info on this card? The last line is "#No boards found". Or 
is
"pnpdump" just for ISA PnP cards?

Thanks.

Re: [OT] daylight savings in Brazil?

[Kristopher Johnson]

Taupter wrote:
> 
> John Hasler wrote:
> >
> > I suppose this is a dumb question, but why would anyone bother with
> > daylight savings time in a tropical country?
> 
> Despite some opinions, we have a large industrial park, 180 million
> people, a high energy comsumption. There is no outdoors with "Coming
> soon... Coca Cola!". Brazil is not one immense rain forest, as some
> people would think.
> 
> Taupter

I don't think the original poster intended to imply that Brazil
was "uncivilized".  Rather, being in the tropical zone, the
country gets roughly the same number of hours of daylight all
year long and so a summer daylight savings time doesn't make
sense.

- Kris

Re: Sound: "no sndstat device", yet there it is: More info

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

> Kent West wrote:
>
> > According to the howto I'm following (sortta - it appears to be out of
> > date, maybe?), I'm supposed to be able to give the command "cat
> > /dev/sndstat" and get a list of info on my sound card. Yet when I try, I
> > get "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device". Yet when I do an "ls -l
> > \dev\snd*" I get:
> >crw-rw   1 root audio 14,   6 Oct  1 16:46 /dev/sndstat
> > which is pretty much what the howto suggests I should get.
> >
> > If I run "saytime" or play some other sound utility, etc,  I hear a dit,
> > like something's being played VERY fast, so I suspect it may be related
> > to an IRQ conflict or something, but this is a PCI card (ES137x) which I
> > thought was more or less PnP. Of course I'm still very green in
> > LinuxLand, so it could be something very simple that I'm
> > stupidly/ignorantly overlooking.
> >
> > Apparently the dmesg "queue" has been replaced with other system events
> > since the last reboot; is there anyway I can get to that information
> > without rebooting (after all, reboots are for that other OS...)?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
>
> I did a "rmmod es1371" and then an "insmod es1371" and then was able to see 
> some info
> via dmesg. dmesg returned:
>
> es1371: unloading
> es1371: version v0.11 time 15:59:48 Sep 10 1999
> es1371: found adapter at io 0x1080 irq 11
> es1371: features: joystick 0x0
> es1371: codec vendor CRY revision 3
> es1371: codec features Headphone out 18bit DAC 18bit ADC
> es1371: stereo enhancement: no 3D stereo enhancement
> es1371: unloading
> es1370: version v0.20 time 15:59:44 Sep 10 1999
> es1371: version v0.11 time 15:59:48 Sep 10 1999
> es1371: found adapter at io 0x1080 irq 11
> es1371: features: joystick 0x0
> es1371: codec vendor CRY revision 3
> es1371: codec features Headphone out 18bit DAC 18bit ADC
> es1371: stereo enhancement: no 3D stereo enhancement
>
> Does this look okay?
>
> Related question: Do I need isapnptools for a PCI card (I don't think so). 
> Should
> "pnpdump" return any info on this card? The last line is "#No boards found". 
> Or is
> "pnpdump" just for ISA PnP cards?
>
> Thanks.

This is the configuration of my kernel (as indicated by
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.9/.config):
#
# Sound
#
CONFIG_SOUND=m
CONFIG_SOUND_ES1370=m
CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=m
# CONFIG_SOUND_SONICVIBES is not set
# CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDCLAS is not set
# CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDPIN is not set
# CONFIG_SOUND_OSS is not set

and this is the contents of /etc/modules:

#auto
nfs
smbfs
vfat
psaux
serial
lp
3c59x
es1371

I've tried an "insmod sound" (as per some HOWTOs), but all I get back is:
  insmod: sound: no module by that name found

Re: Permissions for non-root user to use ppp

[Robert Waldner]

Some (like me) who need send/expect may also have to chown root:dip 
/usr/bin/expect which is root:root by default (at least in slink). This way it 
worked for me.

&rw

>Brian Servis wrote:

>> The default setup for Debian is to make everything for ppp use with
>> ownership of root.dip.  So you should have just added your user account
>> to the dip group.  See /usr/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz for more info. My
>> user is also in group dialout which my ttyS? devices are root.dialout.
>> But I don't know if a current slink is setup by default that way or not
>> anymore.

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