accepting talk from only some users

[Pere Camps]

Hi!

I'd like to accept only talk from a list of users I specify...
something like: if you're not on the list the "your party is refusing
messages" pop-up shows up, and if you're on the list the as usual.

Does anybody know how to make this?

TIA!

-- p.

please help with backspace

[Shao Zhang]

Hi,
somehow my backspace key does not work in rxvt and Netscape, but
it works in xterm. How do I fix this??

Thanks.
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fetchmail again.

[Shao Zhang]

Hi,
Netscape mail has got the following two options for the pop3
server:
Leave the messages on server
Remove the messages from server when deleted locally

How do I do this with fetchmail??

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Please HELP ME!!!

[mike shupp]

On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Nuno Donato wrote:

> I really need some help here.
> How can I have Linux to mount automatically my hard drives 
> at boot. Because every time I run Linux, I have to mount all 
> my partitions into separate directories.
>  Can I create some type of autoexec file?

You have such a thing (or can create one) in your .login file.
Note the prefixed period which generally keeps the file from
showing up when you look at your home directory (use "ls -al"
to see all your files and related parameters).  UNIX had this
first, and Microsoft copied the idea with Autoexec.Bat.

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it's far, far more than a mere editor.

[mike shupp]

I hadn't been intending to ask about this, but since folks are
exposing their prej--er-- discussing fine points of editors,
has there ever been a UNIX or Linux port of XyWrite in any of
its incarnations or of NotaBena?  (or Atex, a dedicated word
processing system from which XyWrite was derived?)

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question regarding this news group and accessing it.

[Ramiel Givergis]

I really hate having to download all of these messages every day
when I read only a handfull.  I do all my email on my side
NT computer with Eudora and filter all the debian user emails to
another folder.

I was wondering if there is a place that all the Debian-Users
news group is archived so I can just read it from there?





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Netscape 4.08 questions

[Tommy]

I while ago I installed netscape communicator 4.08 in /usr/local. I
works fine except that it is extremely slow.  Specificly, If I am at the
browser page and try to open the mail window it takes about 2 minutes. 
That is not the time to get the mail, but simply to open the window. 
Does anyone know what the problem could be?  Thanks

Re: question regarding this news group and accessing it.

[whbell]

Quoting Ramiel Givergis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I really hate having to download all of these messages every day
> when I read only a handfull.  I do all my email on my side
> NT computer with Eudora and filter all the debian user emails to
> another folder.
> 
> I was wondering if there is a place that all the Debian-Users
> news group is archived so I can just read it from there?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ramiel Givergis, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.relm.net 
> --~~~===<[^]>===~~~-- 
> This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and 
> grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to 
> be considered flaws or defects.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> /dev/null
> 

Ramiel,

I watch the digest version of this list at:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

when I am not looking for help.  This way I only
receive a few 30k messages a day.  The headers let me scan
quickly for "interesting" items.

I use this command to turn on the digest.

mail -s subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

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forcing dselect to downgrade

[Tommy]

I have been experiencing some problems due to my carelessly mixing
releases. In order to fix the problem I would like to bring my system
back to a state where only " Stable" components from my Debian 2.0 cd
are on it, so that everything works correctly. And I can move forward
from there if I choose.

Dselect, will not normally replace a newer version with an old one.  How
do I override this?

Re: question regarding this news group and accessing it.

[Ramiel Givergis]

thanks, I just did it
do I need to now unsubscribe to this email so I don't get the messages?

At 07:45 PM 3/4/99 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Quoting Ramiel Givergis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I really hate having to download all of these messages every day
>> when I read only a handfull.  I do all my email on my side
>> NT computer with Eudora and filter all the debian user emails to
>> another folder.
>> 
>> I was wondering if there is a place that all the Debian-Users
>> news group is archived so I can just read it from there?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ramiel Givergis, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.relm.net 
>> --~~~===<[^]>===~~~-- 
>> This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and 
>> grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to 
>> be considered flaws or defects.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
>> /dev/null
>> 
>
>Ramiel,
>
>I watch the digest version of this list at:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>when I am not looking for help.  This way I only
>receive a few 30k messages a day.  The headers let me scan
>quickly for "interesting" items.
>
>I use this command to turn on the digest.
>
>mail -s subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
>
>-Bill
>
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Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.

[John C. Ellingboe]

Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X
writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't.  Some of those disks
are still unusable today because of that.  I would make sure that
there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that. 
I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never
access my Linux disks in any way.  You have been warned...

John C. Ellingboe


Person, Roderick wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> Recently, I added a new drive to my system as the slave 2nd drive.
> Therefore, I made my old drive a Win95 drive so the family could play games
> and such. Now it seems that everytime I log into my Linux drive (/dev/hdb) I
> get file system not unmount correctly errors. I fsck and get it in operating
> conditions and a day or two later i get the same errors. Could this be due
> to how other users are logging out of win95 or not logging out and just
> shuting off the machine? Drive 1 is totally win95(1.2GB) drive 2 is 5GB for
> Linux in 4 partitions and 1GB for win in one partition. Anyone having this
> problem.
> 
> Roderick P. Person
> DBA/Programmer
> 454-2616
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Re: ipmasqadm question

[whbell]

Quoting "Ralf G. R. Bergs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:51:51 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Please help me find this beast :-)
> 
> I *think* it's
> 
> http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-
> i386/net/ipmasq_3.3.1.deb
> 
> Unfortunately I'm still under NT (:-) and I can't easily boot into the 
> Debian system I have the binary installed under since this would involve 
> removing my IDE hard drive and replacing it against the other drive, and I 
> need to get work done at the moment.
> 
> Could you check the above URL, and if it turns out that this is NOT 
> ipmasqadm get back to me?
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
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> 
Ralf,

Thanks but...

I checked with dselect and found I have ipmasq 3.3.1 installed already.
There is NO sign of ipmasqadm on my system anywhere.

I have run 'find / -name ipmasqadm' with no hits.

I do appreciate your help.  Please don't stop now, but I am in no big
hurry.  Perhaps there are others out there that have the needed info.

Danke,  (sp?)
-Bill

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Cheap pnp ne2000 Lan cards

[Tommy]

I bought some cheap PNP ide ne2000 compatible crds to setup a small net
work. My bios does not seeem to recognise the cards, but it does see my
pnp sound card.  Is there anything I can do via debian to use these
cards? 
The cards are made by LanStar.  They were only $12 each so it won't
break me if they are junk.  But any help is appreciated.
 By the way I only have or use Gnu/Debian, so a solution involving other
os's is not viable.  Thanks

Re: question regarding this news group and accessing it.

[whbell]

Quoting Ramiel Givergis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> thanks, I just did it
> do I need to now unsubscribe to this email so I don't get the messages?
> 
> At 07:45 PM 3/4/99 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Quoting Ramiel Givergis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> I really hate having to download all of these messages every day
> >> when I read only a handfull.  I do all my email on my side
> >> NT computer with Eudora and filter all the debian user emails to
> >> another folder.
> >> 
> >> I was wondering if there is a place that all the Debian-Users
> >> news group is archived so I can just read it from there?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Ramiel Givergis, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.relm.net 
> >>
> --~~~===<[^]>===~~~-- 
> >> This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and 
> >> grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
> 
> >> be considered flaws or defects.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> >> /dev/null
> >> 
> >
> >Ramiel,
> >
> >I watch the digest version of this list at:
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >when I am not looking for help.  This way I only
> >receive a few 30k messages a day.  The headers let me scan
> >quickly for "interesting" items.
> >
> >I use this command to turn on the digest.
> >
> >mail -s subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> >
> >-Bill
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> Ramiel Givergis, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.relm.net 
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> 

Ramiel,

That is the easy one,

mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
subject: unsubscribe

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Re: forcing dselect to downgrade

[Stephen Pitts]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 09:17:52PM -0500, Tommy wrote:
> I have been experiencing some problems due to my carelessly mixing
> releases. In order to fix the problem I would like to bring my system
> back to a state where only " Stable" components from my Debian 2.0 cd
> are on it, so that everything works correctly. And I can move forward
> from there if I choose.
> 
> Dselect, will not normally replace a newer version with an old one.  How
> do I override this?
> 
> 
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> 
You don't. Downgrading packages has undefined results. A better option would be 
to 
tell the list about your problems and we'll help you fix them
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Re: Netscape 4.08 questions

[Stephen Pitts]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 09:08:15PM -0500, Tommy wrote:
> I while ago I installed netscape communicator 4.08 in /usr/local. I
> works fine except that it is extremely slow.  Specificly, If I am at the
> browser page and try to open the mail window it takes about 2 minutes. 
> That is not the time to get the mail, but simply to open the window. 
> Does anyone know what the problem could be?  Thanks
> 
> 
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> 
What type of system are you running it on? How much RAM and Swap? Netscape uses 
lots of RAM.
Right now, on my system, navigator 4.08 is using 35 MB of ram.
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Re: Maximal Mount Check

[Stephen Pitts]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 11:05:46AM -0500,  Raymond A. Ingles wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
> 
> > > In a message dated 3/4/99 7:40:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
> > > PROTECTED]
> > > writes:
> > > 
> > > So, defragging your disk isn't a normal Debian maintenance task?  Is this 
> > > true
> > > for all you guys that have been running Debian "forever"?
> > 
> > Yes, defragging your disk is _not_ a normal Debian maintenance task.  I
> > have been running linux for some 3 three years now (started with
> > Slackware) and never defragged a linux disk.  The point is that the
> > ext2 file system is, unlike fat or vfat, mostly `self-defragmenting'.
> 
>  Yup. The ext2 filesystem is a *lot* more intelligent about such things
> than the FAT filesystem ever could be. For example, typically 5-10% of the
> space on a partition is reserved for root-only access. Since the
> filesystem can generally count on that space being available, it can
> usually prevent fragmentation from arising in the first place.
> 
>  When you add in Linux's intelligent disk-cacheing (any unused RAM is used
> as a disk cache) if there *is* fragmentation, you only notice it once,
> when the file is first loaded. After that, it's in RAM.
> 
>  You can often *hear* the difference between filesystems on a noisy drive.
> Whit FAT, when you access a file you get a lot of jumping around the disk.
> With ext2, you generally hear something like "tick-tick-buzz" as it hits
> the inode table a couple of times and then gets the file more-or-less
> continuously.
> 
>  (Of course, I've got 128MB of RAM now. I can log in, start up X, and
> launch several shells before I need to load anything that isn't already in
> the cache. It's disconcerting the first few times to do all that in
> near-total silence. :-> )
> 
>  About the only time you get fragmentation is if the filesystem gets
> *really* full. If it happens, the defrag tools are available, but the best
> thing to do is just back up the partition, reformat, and restore from
> backup. This defragmentats at least as effectively, and you should really
> back stuff up *anyway* before you defrag, right?
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles  (248) 377-7735  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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> every day for the rest of your life." - Anonymous
> 
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I've got a similar system. Top reports that I have a 50 MB disk cache. I was
showing a friend Linux and he thought my hard drive had broken or that X had
crashed when we had to wait for a program to start. :-)
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Re: Permissions of the sysadmin

[Torsten Landschoff]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 09:32:53AM -0600, Jonathan Guthrie wrote:
 
> Oh, I wasn't advocating rethinking "root" I was just pointing out that you
> cannot effectively prevent root from accessing anything you want to.  (In
> fact, it can be damn tough to prevent access to certain users if you allow
> them to "sudo" stuff.)

Sure. I am not against additional users with part of the rights of root
controlled by the kernel. What I am against is having no root user at all. I
try to work as root as less as possible. But it is great to have this
possibilities when there is no other way.

cu
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Re: ipmasqadm question

[Bob Nielsen]

Are you sure you don't mean ipfwadm (which is part of netbase)?

Bob

On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I checked with dselect and found I have ipmasq 3.3.1 installed already.
> There is NO sign of ipmasqadm on my system anywhere.
> 
> I have run 'find / -name ipmasqadm' with no hits.
> 
> I do appreciate your help.  Please don't stop now, but I am in no big
> hurry.  Perhaps there are others out there that have the needed info.


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Re: Shared PPP connection?

[D'jinnie]

On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Ramiel Givergis wrote:
:
:If you plan to use applications like ICQ or any servers on client computer
:on your network you'll need to use a Proxy aswell.

I don't have any proxying enabled and ICQ as well as silly AOL messenger
work fine. I loaded all the ip_masq modules but that's pretty much it?

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Re: cpu used too much

[D'jinnie]

speaking of things going into infinite loops and eating up CPU, is there
any way to get rid of zombie processes? Good ol' kill -9 doesn't cut
it...I don't want to reboot just to get rid of them :(

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Re: Netscape 4.08 questions

[Tommy]

Stephen Pitts wrote:
>
> What type of system are you running it on? How much RAM and Swap? Netscape 
> uses lots of RAM.
> Right now, on my system, navigator 4.08 is using 35 MB of ram.

My system is an AMD 586 133 with 64 mg Ram and a 128mg swap. Kernel
2.1.125
 I did not have this problem with previous versions of netscape.  Thanks

Re: ipmasqadm question

[whbell]

Quoting Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Are you sure you don't mean ipfwadm (which is part of netbase)?
> 
> Bob
> 
> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I checked with dselect and found I have ipmasq 3.3.1 installed already.
> > There is NO sign of ipmasqadm on my system anywhere.
> > 
> > I have run 'find / -name ipmasqadm' with no hits.
> > 
> > I do appreciate your help.  Please don't stop now, but I am in no big
> > hurry.  Perhaps there are others out there that have the needed info.
> 
> 
> Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tucson, AZ  AMPRnet:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> DM42nh  http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
> 

Hi Bob,

I believe ipfwadm only works with kernels < 2.1.90 or so.  The reading
I get from the kernel source with 2.2.1 is that ipmasqadm is required.

This thread has been heavily cut.  The full details of my system are:

Slink (mostly)
2.2.1 kernel
Looking for port forwarding tool(s).

Thanks for you help,
-Bill


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Re: question regarding this news group and accessing it.

[ragOO]

Ramiel Givergis wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if there is a place that all the Debian-Users
> news group is archived so I can just read it from there?
> 

There is an archive of the mails but is there a repository where one can
get/download the compressed mail archive, say ordered by month ?   I have
subscribed to the mailing-list-digest but I want a tar.gz archive of the
mailing list `debian-user' which can be downloaded from one place.


ragOO, VU2RGU.

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libc6-19981211-6

[Shao Zhang]

Hi,
Anyone had problem with this version of libc6?

After I install it, all my dns stop working, I had to down grade
to the version in the stable hamm.

A couple of weeks ago, I upgrade my system to slink, I had the
same problem when I install libc6-19981211-4. The next day, a new libc6
came out(libc6-19981211-5), I installed this one, and everything works
again. Now, with this newest version, the problem is back!! Where can I
download libc-19981211-5 again?? As I need apt, and apt need a fairly
recent version of libc.

Thanks.

Shao.



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Re: Cheap pnp ne2000 Lan cards

[Will Lowe]

> The cards are made by LanStar.  They were only $12 each so it won't
> break me if they are junk.  But any help is appreciated.
>  By the way I only have or use Gnu/Debian, so a solution involving other
> os's is not viable.  Thanks

Did you try isapnptools?
Will


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Re: fetchmail

[wtopa]

Subject: Re: fetchmail
Date: Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 10:28:33PM +1100

In reply to:Shao Zhang

Quoting Shao Zhang([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> 
> Sorry, I did not describe what I want very clear. What I need is to leave
> them as Unread on the pop3 server. I retrieve them from pop3 at work, I
> want those mails still set to unread & when I retrieve them for the second
> time, I still know what are the new messages I checked earlier at work. I
> guess I am trying to get it working more similar to an IMAP server.
> 
> thx


man fetchmail says -k

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Re: accepting talk from only some users

[Matt Folwell]

On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 12:01:52AM +, Pere Camps wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>   I'd like to accept only talk from a list of users I specify...
> something like: if you're not on the list the "your party is refusing
> messages" pop-up shows up, and if you're on the list the as usual.
> 
>   Does anybody know how to make this?

You might want to take a look at the xitalk package.  You should be able
to configure it to do something like that.  Although it only runs under X.

-- 
Matt Folwell, P2 Whewell's Court, Trinity College, Cambridge.  CB2 1TQ
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PPP-Dialup: ioctl(PPPIOCGUNIT): Operation not permitted

[matthschulz]

I'm trying to use my working (as root) ISP-Dialupconnection as an normal
user.

I got following in ppp.log:


Mar  4 19:55:29 Toshiba pppd[336]: pppd 2.2.0 started by matthschulz,
uid 1000
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: timeout set to 20 seconds
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: abort on (ERROR)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: send (+++ATZ^M)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: expect (OK)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: ATZ^M^M
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: OK -- got it
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: send (AT&F^M)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: expect (OK)
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: ^M
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: AT&F^M^M
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: OK -- got it
Mar  4 19:55:30 Toshiba chat[337]: send (ATDT9,656^M)
Mar  4 19:55:31 Toshiba chat[337]: timeout set to 60 seconds
Mar  4 19:55:31 Toshiba chat[337]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar  4 19:55:31 Toshiba chat[337]: ^M
Mar  4 19:55:51 Toshiba chat[337]: ATDT9,656^M^M
Mar  4 19:55:51 Toshiba chat[337]: CONNECT -- got it
Mar  4 19:55:51 Toshiba pppd[336]: Serial connection established.
Mar  4 19:55:52 Toshiba pppd[336]: ioctl(PPPIOCGUNIT): Operation not
permitted
Mar  4 19:55:52 Toshiba pppd[336]: ioctl(PPPIOCGDEBUG): Operation not
permitted
Mar  4 19:55:52 Toshiba pppd[336]: Exit.


I'm in the group dip and all files in /etc/ppp, /etc/ppp.chatscript, pon
and poff are owned by dip.

(P.S. The entry for dip is only in gshadow, not in passwd or passwd-)

What's wrong?

Matth

Re: forcing dselect to downgrade

[Tommy]

Stephen Pitts wrote:

> >
> You don't. Downgrading packages has undefined results. A better option would 
> be to
> tell the list about your problems and we'll help you fix them
> --

 Currently dselect marks 90% of the package on my system as broken. And
there are a lot of them.  I tried switching to exim from smail, just to
try it. I have constant error messages.  Several aps/ games like quake
no longer run when not in X and I can not seem to find the requested
libraries or get them installed.  Fetchmail does not work  Most things
on the box seem to work fine, but the whole thing seems a little whacked

In the hope that my errors will not be repeated by other I will endure
the embarrassment of explaining how this happened. My system was running
fine off  the packages is on my Debian 2.0 cdrom.  I decided to upgrade
some of the packages via ftp.  When I upgraded the package lists  of 
stable, unstable, contrib, and non-free dselect presumed that I wanted
to upgrade everything on my system.  That everything I had previously
installed that had a newer package available was selected for install
and included in the download list.  

This created a serious problem for me because I need the packaging
system to warn me about dependencies.  If I cancel the download and try
to install individual packages via dpkg the required packages will
already be marked as selected and no dependency warnings will be given.  

I tried getting part of the list of aps I wanted to upgrade, but got a
ton of error messages for the reasons just cited.  Not knowing what else
to do I decided to get everything that had been selected.  I must say
I'm kind of ashamed of this since I really do know better than to hog an
ftp site like that, but I really did not know what else to do.

Needless to say lots of errors occur when you try to ftp hundreds of mgs
of  files. Now dselect say 90% of my packages are broken. Far to many to
fix one at a time using dpkg.  I feel as if I have lost control of my
system.  I would like to get control back.  Any help is greatly
appreciated.  Thank You

Dependences Problem - dselect

[Marshall Savage]

I'm trying to install Debian slink over the web.  I don't 
have the CDs.  The base install from the floppy images goes 
ok & when debian.org is up I can update the packages.  Now 
after 2 weeks of repeatedly trying & now using the 2/23/99 
disk images & selecting the very smallest package, 25MB, 
this evening I got it to install over the web, I 
think.  I've read all I can find on dselect, dpkg, 
installation instructions , v1 & 2 Debian manual & none of 
them cover my problem.  The 'Q' command character in 
dselect doesn't do as the online documentation says & only 
lets it start the install until it checks the dependences & 
then it, I presume dselect, refuses to go ahead.  I have a 
suspicion, with only scant evidence, that the following 
modules are set to both require the dependent 
modules/libraries & be incompatable with them.

libc6-dev 2.0.7t-1 requires libc6 2.0.7t-1  and
perl 5.004.04-6 requires perl-base 5.004.04-6
Yes, the dependent modules are selected to be installed but 
that doesn't help.


I selected Debian because of the completeness of the 
packages included & because of the volunteer nature of the 
project.  However, this reminds me of the GNU software that 
I have tried to install & use a little in years past.  As 
near as I could tell the programs worked well, with scant 
evidence, but I could never be sure what was going on since 
the documentation was mostly not there.

Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.

[Tom Pfeifer]

"John C. Ellingboe" wrote:
> 
> Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X
> writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't.  Some of those disks
> are still unusable today because of that.  I would make sure that
> there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that.
> I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never
> access my Linux disks in any way.  You have been warned...

Well, let's not *too* get carried away with the anti-MS stuff. Nothing
any OS writes to any disk, anywhere, will make it permanently unusable.
If nothing else, clearing the MBR sector and starting from scratch will
work.

Tom

-- 
Try Debian GNU/Linux - it's free, it's open source, and it rocks
http://www.debian.org

dselect handling stable AND unstable [was Re: forcing dselect to downgrade]

[Rick Macdonald]

Tommy wrote:
> 
> When I upgraded the package lists  of
> stable, unstable, contrib, and non-free dselect ...

This is something that I've always wondered about. Can you actually tell
dselect about both stable and unstable at the same time? I've always
been afraid to do that.

-- 
...RickM...

Re: forcing dselect to downgrade

[Stephen Pitts]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 10:42:23PM -0500, Tommy wrote:
> Stephen Pitts wrote:
> 
> > >
> > You don't. Downgrading packages has undefined results. A better option 
> > would be to
> > tell the list about your problems and we'll help you fix them
> > --
> 
>  Currently dselect marks 90% of the package on my system as broken. And
> there are a lot of them.  I tried switching to exim from smail, just to
> try it. I have constant error messages.  Several aps/ games like quake
> no longer run when not in X and I can not seem to find the requested
> libraries or get them installed.  Fetchmail does not work  Most things
> on the box seem to work fine, but the whole thing seems a little whacked
> 
> In the hope that my errors will not be repeated by other I will endure
> the embarrassment of explaining how this happened. My system was running
> fine off  the packages is on my Debian 2.0 cdrom.  I decided to upgrade
> some of the packages via ftp.  When I upgraded the package lists  of 
> stable, unstable, contrib, and non-free dselect presumed that I wanted
> to upgrade everything on my system.  That everything I had previously
> installed that had a newer package available was selected for install
> and included in the download list.  
> 
> This created a serious problem for me because I need the packaging
> system to warn me about dependencies.  If I cancel the download and try
> to install individual packages via dpkg the required packages will
> already be marked as selected and no dependency warnings will be given.  
> 
> I tried getting part of the list of aps I wanted to upgrade, but got a
> ton of error messages for the reasons just cited.  Not knowing what else
> to do I decided to get everything that had been selected.  I must say
> I'm kind of ashamed of this since I really do know better than to hog an
> ftp site like that, but I really did not know what else to do.
> 
> Needless to say lots of errors occur when you try to ftp hundreds of mgs
> of  files. Now dselect say 90% of my packages are broken. Far to many to
> fix one at a time using dpkg.  I feel as if I have lost control of my
> system.  I would like to get control back.  Any help is greatly
> appreciated.  Thank You
> 
> 
> -- 
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 
First off, don't be embarrassed. While trying to nuke a RedHat parition two 
months ago, 
I also nuked 700 MB of DATA on a Win98 partition that was mounted. We all screw 
up 
sometimes.

Here's my advice:
Download and install APT, manually if needed, from ftp.debian.org . On my 
system, 
it only requires libc6 and libstdc++2.9. I'm pretty sure you've got those. Once 
that is done,
setup your /etc/apt/sources.list. Mine (using ftp.debian.org, the GA TECH 
mirror) is:

deb ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable main contrib non-free

Once you've done that, run apt-get -m -f install. That tells APT to grab 
whatever is needed
to fix your system. Don't worry about consuming network bandwidth. You'll only 
have
to do this once. At most, it should take 4 hours on a 28.8 modem. 
-- 
Stephen Pitts
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
webmaster - http://www.mschess.org

Re: dselect handling stable AND unstable [was Re: forcing dselect to downgrade]

[Jim Foltz]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 08:01:43PM -0800, George Bonser wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> > This is something that I've always wondered about. Can you actually tell
> > dselect about both stable and unstable at the same time? I've always
> > been afraid to do that.
> 
> Yes, you can do that. Just make sure you go in the order of most stable to
> least stable. In other words, define stable first then unstable.

What do you mean by define them? In /etc/apt/sources.list? (assuming I use apt)

-- 
   Jim Foltz   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ACORN techie   
  AOL/IM   Jim Foltz

Janet

[ktb]

You are beautiful.
Kent

RE: G3

[Shaleh]

On 04-Mar-99 tracheotomy bob wrote:
> Hallo all,
>   Has anyone put Debian GNU/Linux onto Apples new G3? Are there any
> particular issues one should be aware of when putting Debian onto Apples?
> I've never touched an Apple before so I'm just wondering...
> thanks
> 

We are working on it (we not including me because I can not afford one).  The
main issue is that EVERYTHING is usb based -- keyboard, mouse, etc.  So we need
usb support first.  It is kind of hard to test something when the keyboard does
nto even work (-:

We will get there though.  BTW new iMac based laptops due in the next 3 - 6
months.

Re: Janet

[ktb]

oops, sorry.

ktb wrote:

> You are beautiful.
> Kent
>
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> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

Re: forcing dselect to downgrade

[Marshall Savage]

I have been following your thread & you have my 
sympathy.  I'm too ignorant to have any ideas or 
suggestions.  Your problems sound like mine except on a 
bigger scale.  The Debian people keep claiming that dpkg & 
dselect are so great but in my experience they are at best 
medium in practice.  They admit that the interface is not 
the best but that the basic workingness is very good.  And 
they do seem to be a good place to start from to write 
something that does work well.  And the 
documentation!  Enough said.


At 3/4/99 08:42 PM , you wrote:

Stephen Pitts wrote:


>
You don't. Downgrading packages has undefined results. A 
better option would be to
tell the list about your problems and we'll help you fix 
them

--


Currently dselect marks 90% of the package on my system 
as broken. And
there are a lot of them.  I tried switching to exim from 
smail, just to
try it. I have constant error messages.  Several aps/ 
games like quake
no longer run when not in X and I can not seem to find the 
requested
libraries or get them installed.  Fetchmail does not 
work  Most things
on the box seem to work fine, but the whole thing seems a 
little whacked


In the hope that my errors will not be repeated by other I 
will endure
the embarrassment of explaining how this happened. My 
system was running
fine off  the packages is on my Debian 2.0 cdrom.  I 
decided to upgrade
some of the packages via ftp.  When I upgraded the package 
lists  of
stable, unstable, contrib, and non-free dselect presumed 
that I wanted
to upgrade everything on my system.  That everything I had 
previously
installed that had a newer package available was selected 
for install

and included in the download list.

This created a serious problem for me because I need the 
packaging
system to warn me about dependencies.  If I cancel the 
download and try
to install individual packages via dpkg the required 
packages will
already be marked as selected and no dependency warnings 
will be given.


I tried getting part of the list of aps I wanted to 
upgrade, but got a
ton of error messages for the reasons just cited.  Not 
knowing what else
to do I decided to get everything that had been 
selected.  I must say
I'm kind of ashamed of this since I really do know better 
than to hog an
ftp site like that, but I really did not know what else to 
do.


Needless to say lots of errors occur when you try to ftp 
hundreds of mgs
of  files. Now dselect say 90% of my packages are broken. 
Far to many to
fix one at a time using dpkg.  I feel as if I have lost 
control of my
system.  I would like to get control back.  Any help is 
greatly

appreciated.  Thank You

Re: PPP-Dialup: ioctl(PPPIOCGUNIT): Operation not permitted

[John Hasler]

> I'm in the group dip and all files in /etc/ppp, /etc/ppp.chatscript, pon
> and poff are owned by dip.

A normal Debian installation has no /etc/ppp.chatscript.

/etc/chatscripts and /etc/ppp/ should be owned by root but in the dip
group:

drwx--x---   2 root dip  1024 Dec 22 17:47 /etc/chatscripts/
drwx--x---   5 root dip  1024 Feb 20 15:40 /etc/ppp/

The files in /etc/chatscripts/ should be likewise:

-rw-r-   1 root dip   176 Oct 29 19:46 provider

With the exception of peers, the files in /etc/ppp should be owned by root
and in group root:

-rw---   1 root root   69 Mar  1  1998 chap-secrets
-rwxr--r--   1 root root 1454 Feb 25  1998 ip-down
drwxr-xr--   2 root root 1024 Feb 28 16:59 ip-down.d
-rwxr--r--   1 root root 1452 Feb 25  1998 ip-up
drwxr-xr--   2 root root 1024 Feb 28 16:59 ip-up.d
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   85 Mar  1  1997 no_ppp_on_boot
-rw---   1 root root 9678 Dec  5 22:56 options
-rw-rw-r--   1 root root  900 Sep 24 11:02 options.ttyS2
-rw---   1 root root  385 Sep 28 10:53 pap-secrets
drw---x---   2 root dip  1024 Dec 22 17:47 peers

Note that /etc/ppp/peers is owned by root but in group dip.

The files in /etc/ppp/peers should be owned by root but in group dip:

-rw-r-   1 root dip   217 Dec  5 22:58 provider

'pon' and 'poff' should be owned by root, in group root, and executable by
anyone:

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root 2712 Dec 27 15:31 /usr/bin/poff
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   45 Jun 18  1998 /usr/bin/pon

pppd should be owned by root, in group dip, and setuid:

-rwsr-xr--   1 root dip105532 Jun 18  1998 /usr/sbin/pppd

> The entry for dip is only in gshadow, not in passwd or passwd-

dip is a group, not a user.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: Here is some more on deb bus ideas (jc@crack.com) (fwd)

[Paul Nathan Puri]

Please explain what kaberos does.  I've quite understood it...

NatePuri
Certified Law Student
& Debian GNU/Linux Monk
McGeorge School of Law
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://ompages.com

On 4 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote:

> Paul Nathan Puri writes:
> > I'm interested in starting commercial service that offers the set up and
> > maintenance of secure networks under linux (preferably debian).
> 
> This sounds interesting and I might be interested in getting involved.
> However, that man you really want to get on board is Bear Giles
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  He has packaged kerboros 5.  Debian can't
> distribute it because of the export laws, but your service could certainly
> use it.
> -- 
> John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will.
> Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
> Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 
> 

Print command

[Jerry Human]

Could anyone tell a newbie the command to print a text file or a man page
item, like a file named "vi.1.gz" on a dot matrix printer? I have installed
the 'base' system from D/Led floppies (used the 'rescue' disk and installed
the drivers disk and the five 'base' disks). During the install, I did
install the 'lp' module for the parallel ports. At this point, the 'man'
program  is either not available or not on the disk. I have been reading
some of the man pages using zmore but I don't know how to print or do very
much else. I don't have any docs except for what was installed. I'm having
a very rough time trying learn how to do things in Debian, I'm good in
DOS and Win95 but just beginning to learn Linux.
Apparently I have a lot to read and learn before I can get my install
to the point I can log onto the web and upgrade to a full system. The few
commands I can use I have learned by reading this ng.
So far Debian seems to be a great OS with a lot more power than anything
I've used in the past, including OS/2 Warp. But the docs are difficult
to find and read for a newbie that doesn't have any Unix experience. You
could say that Debian is my Unix experience.  Is there a list
of basic commands for navigation and operations available on the web? The
"Howto" pages are great for an in depth explanation of lilo and fips but
get a little bit tedious when all I want to do is look at the current fstab
or ppp.conf or list a dir.
Also, using the 'ls' command, man6 dir doesn't exist and man7 is empty.
Is this normal?
A Debian geek wannabe is anxious to learn.
Thank you.

Re: Print command

[ktb]

Others can give you better answers to your questions but I'll point out
a couple of sites, if you haven't found them yet, that might help.  At
least something to get you by for a few hours:)

http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/LDP/gs/gs.html

http://www.debian.org/

http://www.debian.org/doc/
Good luck,
Kent

Jerry Human wrote:

> Could anyone tell a newbie the command to print a text file or a man
> page item, like a file named "vi.1.gz" on a dot matrix printer? I have
> installed the 'base' system from D/Led floppies (used the 'rescue'
> disk and installed the drivers disk and the five 'base' disks). During
> the install, I did install the 'lp' module for the parallel ports. At
> this point, the 'man' program  is either not available or not on the
> disk. I have been reading some of the man pages using zmore but I
> don't know how to print or do very much else. I don't have any docs
> except for what was installed. I'm having a very rough time trying
> learn how to do things in Debian, I'm good in DOS and Win95 but just
> beginning to learn Linux.
>
> Apparently I have a lot to read and learn before I can get my install
> to the point I can log onto the web and upgrade to a full system. The
> few commands I can use I have learned by reading this ng.
>
> So far Debian seems to be a great OS with a lot more power than
> anything I've used in the past, including OS/2 Warp. But the docs are
> difficult to find and read for a newbie that doesn't have any Unix
> experience. You could say that Debian is my Unix experience.  Is there
> a list of basic commands for navigation and operations available on
> the web? The "Howto" pages are great for an in depth explanation of
> lilo and fips but get a little bit tedious when all I want to do is
> look at the current fstab or ppp.conf or list a dir.
>
> Also, using the 'ls' command, man6 dir doesn't exist and man7 is
> empty. Is this normal?
>
> A Debian geek wannabe is anxious to learn.
>
> Thank you.

Re: dselect handling stable AND unstable [was Re: forcing dselect to downgrade]

[Rick Macdonald]

George Bonser wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> > This is something that I've always wondered about. Can you actually tell
> > dselect about both stable and unstable at the same time? I've always
> > been afraid to do that.
> 
> Yes, you can do that. Just make sure you go in the order of most stable to
> least stable. In other words, define stable first then unstable.

So what does it look like in dselect?

Right now, with stable, contrib, non-free and non-US, I see, for
example:

--- available packages in section net ---
--- available packages in section non-free/net ---
--- available packages in section non-US/net ---
--- available packages in section contrib/net ---

Does it merge stable and unstable and just show the newest version of
each package, or keep them separate so I can choose?

-- 
...RickM...

Problem Connecting to ISP

[Shawn Nguyen]

Hi,
I am having an extremely difficult time trying to connect to the Prodiy 
ISP.  If anyone can help me out I'd appreciate it.  I have used everything 
available trying to connect to thei network but haven't had any luck. 
 Apparently, as soon as I get connected my Debian PPP send the LCP packet 
but nothing happens after that and the connection times out.  Here is what 
it looks like in my /var/log/messages file.

Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: timeout set to 30 seconds
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: abort on (ERROR)
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: report (CONNECT)
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: send (AT\&F^M)
Mar  4 19:57:33 shawn chat[477]: expect (OK)
Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]: AT&F^M^M
Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]: OK

Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]:  -- got it
Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]: send (ATD7913790^M)
Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]: timeout set to 75 seconds
Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar  4 19:57:52 shawn chat[477]: ^M
Mar  4 19:58:22 shawn kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully 
unregistered
Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn chat[477]: ATD7913790^M
Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn chat[477]: CONNECT
Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn chat[477]:  -- got it
Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn pppd[476]: Serial connection established.
Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel 
allocation)
Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 
1995 Caldera, Inc.
Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn kernel: registered device ppp0
Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn pppd[476]: Using interface ppp0
Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn pppd[476]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS3
Mar  4 19:59:03 shawn pppd[476]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Mar  4 19:59:32 shawn pppd[476]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Mar  4 19:59:32 shawn pppd[476]: Modem hangup
Mar  4 19:59:32 shawn pppd[476]: Connection terminated.
Mar  4 19:59:33 shawn pppd[476]: Exit.

I am using pppsetup to set up my connection.  I have all the needed files 
including, /etc/ppp/ppp.chatscript, /etc/ppp/options, /etc/resolv.conf and 
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets file.  I don't know what the problem could be.  If 
someone is getting on with prodigy or just have some advice please reply. 
 I have the Debian 2.0 dist.

Thanks,
Shawn Nguyen

Re: dselect handling stable AND unstable [was Re: forcing dselect to downgrade]

[Rick Macdonald]

George Bonser wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> > Does it merge stable and unstable and just show the newest version of
> > each package,
> 
> Yes.
> 
> or keep them separate so I can choose?
> 
> No

Hmmm, that doesn't seem much different than if you just define unstable,
except for packages that are only in one or the other. The intersection
of stable and unstable would just be the same as unstable anyway. Right?

-- 
...RickM...

Re: please help with backspace

[Joop Stakenborg]

On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 11:11:12AM +1100, Shao Zhang wrote:
> Hi,
>   somehow my backspace key does not work in rxvt and Netscape, but
> it works in xterm. How do I fix this??
>

xmodmap is your friend. Read the manual page
 
Joop
-- 

 Joop Stakenborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Linux Hamradio Applications and Utilities Homepage
 http://www.casema.net/~aba

potato -"heyho!" message?

[Anthony Mulcahy]

I upgraded from hamm to potato yesterday without any trouble, however after
the upgrade was completed, I noticed a strange problem.

I had several Eterms open when the message "heyho!" (followed by a newline
character) started to be repeatedly printed on one of them. The keyboard did
not seem to have any effect (even CTRL-C) and the only way to stop the
message from being repeated was to close the Eterm window.

That was the second time that this problem occurred. The first time I didn't
take much notice of it, so I'm not sure whether it appeared on an xterm or
an Eterm.

The second time, the problem occurred, I tried "ps -a" on another terminal
while the message was being printed, but I didn't notice anything out of the
ordinary.

Has anybody else experienced this? Does anyone know what it is?

Anthony

PPP log message

[Ivan S Chandra]

Dear all,

I've been trying to connect to my provider
using PPP on my debian machine.
Frequent disconnect happened and
I have these messages in my /var/log/ppp.log 
==
Mar  5 13:27:11 mariah pppd[314]: Serial connection established.
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: Using interface ppp0
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1  
  ]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 < 11 04 05 f4> < 13 09 03 00 c0 7b 7c 36 7e>]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 11 04 05 f4> < 13 
09 03 00 c0 7b 7c 36 7e>]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1  
  ]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:27:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  
]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  
]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x1  
]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [IPXCP ConfReq id=0x1  
 < 03 06 00 02 0f 00>  ]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: Unsupported protocol (0x802b) received
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP ProtRej id=0x2 80 2b 01 01 00 1e 01 
06 00 03 01 48 02 08 00 c0 7b 7c 36 7e 03 06 00 02 0f 00 04 04 00 00 06 02]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 ]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2  ]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  ]
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy 
ARP
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: local  IP address 129.94.16.168
Mar  5 13:27:13 mariah pppd[314]: remote IP address 129.94.15.8
Mar  5 13:27:42 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:27:44 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:28:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x2 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:28:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x2 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:28:42 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x3 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:28:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x3 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:29:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x4 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:29:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x4 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:29:42 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x5 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:29:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x5 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:30:12 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x6 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:30:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x6 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:30:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x7 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:30:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x7 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:31:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x8 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:31:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x8 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:31:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x9 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:31:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x9 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:32:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xa magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:32:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xa magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:32:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xb magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:32:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xb magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:33:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xc magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:33:15 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xc magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:33:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xd magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:34:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xe magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:34:33 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xd magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:34:34 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xe magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:34:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xf magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:34:44 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xf magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:35:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x10 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:35:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x10 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:35:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x11 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:35:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x11 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:36:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x12 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:36:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x12 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:36:43 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x13 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:36:43 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x13 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:37:13 mariah pppd[314]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x14 magic=0xffdb]
Mar  5 13:37:13 mariah pppd[314]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x14 magic=0x0]
Mar  5 13:37:30 mariah pppd[314]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Mar  5 13:37:30 mariah pppd[314]: Modem hangup
Mar  5 13:37:30 mariah pppd[314]: Connection terminated.
Mar  5 13:37:31 mariah pppd[314]: Exit.
==

Is this normal? Just want to localiz

Howto install Debian 2.0/2.1 on my Laptop

[Mats Mattila]

I have problems installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 or 2.1on my IBM Thinkpad
600
its a PII300mhz , 64mbram, Neomagic 128XD 5.1GB IDE.
I booted up with hamm resc1440.bin and it starts booting.
After the Loading Linux... the machine hangs.. it justs stands
there.. with the loading linux. on the screen. I tried to press
enter but nothing happens, Ctrl + Alt + Delete works either.. have to
shut the power down.
Have tried with tecra,safe disks.. all are same.
Autobooted from hamm cd also but no success.
Redhat 5.2 works fine. but i want Debian ;)

Please help.. i really want to wipe out windows from this laptop and go
into the lovely world of Linux.

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Re: ipmasqadm question

[Ralf G. R. Bergs]

On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:24:38 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I believe ipfwadm only works with kernels < 2.1.90 or so.  The reading
>I get from the kernel source with 2.2.1 is that ipmasqadm is required.

You're right. ipfwadm is obsolete for 2.2.x kernels.

Ralf


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Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!

[Nuno Donato]

Please Help me again!
Thanks for helping me with mounting, but now I would like to 
ask you another thing.

How can I setup my sound card(Sound Blaster 16)?
I have heard something about "make menuconfig" "make config" 
but this doesn't work in my computer. A error message 
appears saying "no target to make rule config".
How can I solve this problem. 
I have heard something about compiling the kernel, how?

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Re: Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!

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Item Subject: Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!
 
try changing your directory :-)

Stefan

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Please Help me again!
Thanks for helping me with mounting, but now I would like to 
ask you another thing.
 
How can I setup my sound card(Sound Blaster 16)?
I have heard something about "make menuconfig" "make config" 
but this doesn't work in my computer. A error message 
appears saying "no target to make rule config".
How can I solve this problem. 
I have heard something about compiling the kernel, how?
 
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Re: forcing dselect to downgrade

[Tommy]

Marshall Savage wrote:
> 
> I have been following your thread & you have my
> sympathy.  I'm too ignorant to have any ideas or
> suggestions.  Your problems sound like mine except on a
> bigger scale.  The Debian people keep claiming that dpkg &
> dselect are so great but in my experience they are at best
> medium in practice.  They admit that the interface is not
> the best but that the basic workingness is very good.  And
> they do seem to be a good place to start from to write
> something that does work well.  And the
> documentation!  Enough said.
> 

Actually I think dselect is pretty good.  It was just  designed for when
Gnu/Debian was much smaller and had much fewer applications.  In my case
it probably should not have assumed that I wanted to upgrade everything,
but not doing that could create different kinds of problems
It is very difficult to write an installation / administration interface
that helps the beginner / novice  run a stable system, but at the same
time not take away the power and control that more advanced users want
and need.  And when you consider that ideally people are going to
progress step by step from beginner to expert the difficulty of writing
such a usable interface seems quite great.  There are just some really
fundamental problems when beginners are system administrators.

Tom

Re: ipmasqadm question

[Ralf G. R. Bergs]

On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:52:34 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I checked with dselect and found I have ipmasq 3.3.1 installed already.
>There is NO sign of ipmasqadm on my system anywhere.
>
>I have run 'find / -name ipmasqadm' with no hits.
>
>I do appreciate your help.  Please don't stop now, but I am in no big
>hurry.  Perhaps there are others out there that have the needed info.

Ok, another day, another try. :-)

Here's the info you want, but you may not like it:

  #dpkg -S ipmasqadm
  netbase: /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm
  [...]

  #dpkg -l netbase
  Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
  | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config
  |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,
  ||/ NameVersionDescription
  +++-===-==-=
  ii  netbase 3.12-2 Basic TCP/IP networking binaries

As you see it's the "unstable" version of netbase. Don't worry you can 
install it without having to fear that it breaks your system (at least it 
didn't on my system ;-)

>Danke,  (sp?)

You're welcome. (The spelling of "Danke" is right. :-)

Ralf


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Problem with dselect

[Jean-Georges Carbonnier]

hello,

when I install the latest version of linux (debian) from a CDROM
eveything works good until it begins with dselect. It ask me for the
source and I tell it CDROM, after
it ask me for "the block device type" and it is imposible to go ahead. I
try some things like this:
/dev/hdb
but it say that the kernel do not support the iso9660 norm. I do not
understand because it make the all instalation from the CDROM. If I
execute a shell I can't mount the CDROM and it tell me the same thing
about the iso norm even if I mount it with the next command:
mount /dev/hdb -t iso9660 /cdrom
Last year with the same computer I could install an older version of
debian. Now I can't install the same version. The only thing that difers
from before is that I have install a CDROM writer.
I have a pentium 166MMX.

Notes:  
- I can install the latest version of RED HAT and after I can mount
perfectly the CDROM but I prefer to install the Debian distribution. 
- Somebody told me that probably the iso9660 file system is configured
as a module but I couldn't do anything wiyh the insmod command. May be I
don't do it well.

Thanks a lot.

Re: Problem Connecting to ISP

[Nils Rennebarth]

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 08:29:26PM -, Shawn Nguyen wrote:
>   I am having an extremely difficult time trying to connect to the Prodiy 
> ISP.

> Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn chat[477]: ATD7913790^M
> Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn chat[477]: CONNECT
> Mar  4 19:58:32 shawn chat[477]:  -- got it
ok so far

> Mar  4 19:58:33 shawn pppd[476]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS3
> Mar  4 19:59:03 shawn pppd[476]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
This means, the other site hasn't yet switched to a PPP connection.

Login to their site with minicom and see what appears on the screen.
Maybe they present a menu where PPP must be selected, maybe they wait for a
simple Return,...

Might be helpful to see their instruction how to setup an internet
connection under windows, they'll surely provide those.

Nils

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Re: Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!

[Per-Olof Widstrom]

On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Nuno Donato wrote:

> How can I setup my sound card(Sound Blaster 16)?
> I have heard something about "make menuconfig" "make config" 
> but this doesn't work in my computer. A error message 
> appears saying "no target to make rule config".
> How can I solve this problem. 
> I have heard something about compiling the kernel, how?
change dir `cd /usr/src/kernel-source2.x.x` (the x is your kernel
version).

type `make menuconfig`
that should get you started, but before you do that, please read some
howto:s or something about how to do it, you get a lot of alternatives
how to configure the kernel, I can not tell you what you need and dont
need. If you make modules remember to fix the module dependencys 
`depmod -a` and how to edit the lilo.conf in /etc. Try man
`lilo.conf`.

After you have done all that, type `lilo` to "install" the new kernel, but
keep your old one, thats a good thing.

(I hope you understand my english)



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APT: packages held back

[Maarten Boekhold]

Hi,

Yesterday I wondered how much MBs I'd have to download to upgrade my
hamm
system (plus *some* slink stuff in there) to slink, so I set my
sources.list
and did 'apt-get update' + 'apt-get upgrade' (and answered 'no' ;).

This showed numerous packages as being 'kept back':

The following packages have been kept back
  zgv libtiff3g-dev mc most aalib1 lynx eeyes xv ncftp gnome-panel xbase
aumix
  elvis g++ util-linux imlib-progs xemacs20-nomule tk8.0 minicom
jdk1.1-dev
  apache transfig whiptail libreadlineg2-dev dialog gnome-utils
tk8.0-dev
  libobgnome0 octave screen tcl8.0-dev libgtkxmhtml0 xemacs20-bin tcl8.0
  xdelta bsdmainutils libjpeg-progs egcc ddd xserver-common ncurses-bin
gdb
  netstd bash libtiff3g kbd xpaint gnome-core libgpmg1 procps joe dpkg
cftp
  libobgtk1 gpm libgnome0 gimp tcsh-i18n statserial bc ae less lftp rpm
  libreadlineg2 tcsh tya

Now to my understanding this means that these packages *are* already
installed, but will not be upgraded to the versions in slink because of
some
potential dependency/conflict problems.

What kind of effect will this have on my system? How to find out what
kind of
conflicts there are, and how to go about to fix them?

I also have a remark concerning the current apt package in slink:
Although the
man-pages refer to documentation in /usr/doc/apt (ie. guide.text.gz),
these
documents are no longer available. My previous version of apt (0.16-1 I
think,
pretty old), did have these docs in the package. Could this be
considered as a
bug?

Maarten

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Help w Xemacs and hscroll-mode

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

I have hscroll-mode in emacs but don't appear to have it in Xemacs
20.4.  What happened to this mode and how do I get it back into Xemacs
20.4?


also, when I start emacs the first time I type a character I get an
error

'while opening UMTP file: no such file or directory'


but if I scroll down a page the error goes away and I am able to type. 
How can I stop this error from appearing?  It doesn't really prevent me
from doing anything it is just annoying because I always have
to scroll down a page to see what I am doing because it inserts this
error right at my insertion point.


Lance

Using Procmail - mail won't deliver to Default

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

in .procmailrc

SHELL = /bin/sh
MAILDIR =$HOME/Mail
LOGFILE =$HOME/_logfile
VERBOSE = yes
LOGABSTRACT = no
PATH =
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/bin/mh
DEFAULT=Inbox
#ORGMAIL=/var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME

but mail does not go to Inbox.  I have also tried 

DEFAULT /$HOME/Mail/Inbox
and
#Default

I am getting the _logfile so what have I got wrong in the syntax to
prevent me from getting mail in /$HOME/Mail/Inbox.  There is an Inbox in
/Mail.

Lance

Booting

[Doug Dine]

Hi,

When I installed Debian I put it on my second hard drive and didn't
make it bootable but instead just made a boot floppy as I wasn't
familiar with Lilo or Loadlin but now I want to make the hard drive
bootable. How do I do this at this point? Do I need to re-install or
what?

Thanks.


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Re: backspace behaviour

[Thomas Gebhardt]

> I have never had this problem at home, but now it happens to me at
> work. My backspace does not work in Netscape, only the delete key. My
> backspace does not work in rxvt and nor the delete key.

Hi,

did you install kde 1.1?

uncomment
! i386 and alpha
keycode 22 = BackSpace
keycode 107 = Delete  

in /etc/X11/Xmodmap and restart your X server.
(or install your personal .xmodmap)

Regards, Thomas

Exim configuration

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

What do I need to add to exim.conf to be able to send mail.  I have a
PPP connection to a provider and use fetchmail to get mail but I cannot
send mail except through netscape.


In /var/log/exim/mainlog.01

SMTP error from remote mailer after Mail From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=2522:
host smtp-gw01.ibm.net Unresolvable domain name

What is this error telling me?

Re: fetchmail

[Richard Harran]

I don't think -k on its own is what you're looking for.  This keeps
messages on the remote server, but marks them as read.  However, it may
be of some use in conjunction with the -a (fetchall) option.  This makes
fetchmail fetch all messages, including those marked as read.

HTH
Rich

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> 
> Subject: Re: fetchmail
> Date: Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 10:28:33PM +1100
> 
> In reply to:Shao Zhang
> 
> Quoting Shao Zhang([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I did not describe what I want very clear. What I need is to leave
> > them as Unread on the pop3 server. I retrieve them from pop3 at work, I
> > want those mails still set to unread & when I retrieve them for the second
> > time, I still know what are the new messages I checked earlier at work. I
> > guess I am trying to get it working more similar to an IMAP server.
> >
> > thx
> 
> man fetchmail says -k
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FrameBuffer - keyboard problems

[Bernhard Dobbels]

hi,

I have an S3 Trio3D video card so i had to use the framebuffer device if i
wanted a 1024x768 display.
Now i have some anoying keyboard problems. I can't use the AltGr key
anymore (it has become left-key). So any key like |@#{}[]`\ i cannot use
anymore in X. 
The PgUp/PgDn and some other keys aren't working either, but i could solve
this with xmodmap. Though some people said me this is not a good
sollution. 

I got the keyboard section from sombody with the same videocard and
was also using Framebuffer device and had the same problems. For him
this was a sollution, for me not. This is my keyboard section for the
moment:

Section "Keyboard"
Protocol"Standard" #Standard|Xqueue
#   XkbDisable
AutoRepeat  500 5
LeftAlt Meta
RightAltModeShift
ScrollLock  Compose
RightCtlControl
XkbRules"xfree86"
XkbModel"pc101" #pc101|pc102|xfree86|microsoft
XkbLayout   "be"
EndSection

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Long filenames on cdr

[Bernhard Dobbels]

Hi,

I've tried the joliet extention, but aparently, when i mount the cdimage,
the filenames are cutoff at 32 characters. 
Any ideas?

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Re: ipmasqadm question

[wtopa]

Subject: ipmasqadm question
Date: Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 01:25:07PM -0600

In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I seem to be lost on this issue, but here goes.  I am running a mostly slink 
> system with a 2.2.1 kernel.  How do I enable port forwarding with this setup?
> 
> I have the kernel built correctly, (I believe), so I am not concerned in that 
> area.  My question has to do with the tool(s) used to manage the port 
> forwarding.  It looks like the ipportfw tool only works with a kernel < 
> 2.1.90. 
> I have read that the tool I am looking for is called ipmasqadm, found at:
> 
> http://juanjox.linuxhq.com/
> 
> I have found the RH RPM at this site, along with the source code for this 
> tool. 
>  My first try at compiling and installing was unsuccessful.  (I have not put 
> too
> 
> much effort into this approach yet).
>



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Re: Print command

[wtopa]

Subject: Print command
Date: Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 12:54:20AM -0500

In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
>Could anyone tell a newbie the command to print a text file or a man
>page item, like a file named "vi.1.gz" on a dot matrix printer? I have
>installed the 'base' system from D/Led floppies (used the 'rescue'
>disk and installed the drivers disk and the five 'base' disks). During
>the install, I did install the 'lp' module for the parallel ports. At
>this point, the 'man' program  is either not available or not on the
>disk. I have been reading some of the man pages using zmore but I
>don't know how to print or do very much else. I don't have any docs
>except for what was installed. I'm having a very rough time trying
>learn how to do things in Debian, I'm good in DOS and Win95 but just
>beginning to learn Linux.
>
>Apparently I have a lot to read and learn before I can get my install
>to the point I can log onto the web and upgrade to a full system. The
>few commands I can use I have learned by reading this ng.
>
>So far Debian seems to be a great OS with a lot more power than
>anything I've used in the past, including OS/2 Warp. But the docs are
>difficult to find and read for a newbie that doesn't have any Unix
>experience. You could say that Debian is my Unix experience.  Is there
>a list of basic commands for navigation and operations available on
>the web? The "Howto" pages are great for an in depth explanation of
>lilo and fips but get a little bit tedious when all I want to do is
>look at the current fstab or ppp.conf or list a dir.
>
>Also, using the 'ls' command, man6 dir doesn't exist and man7 is
>empty. Is this normal?
>
>A Debian geek wannabe is anxious to learn.
>
>Thank you.

1.  Look for a directory called howto. (find / -type d -iname howto)
2.  Look at Printing-HOWTO, Printing-Usage-howto.
3.  If you haven't yet downloaded the magicfilter package, do.
4.  If you have not yet downloaded the a2ps package, do.
5.  Grin as you print out whatever you want.

HTH


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Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

[Kenneth Scharf]

But TECO was the greatest, most programmable, powerful editor ever.  If
only
it had run on a *NIX OS  :-(

-
I remember when working at DEC being told that teco was more than an
editor, it was a language.  Infact someone had written a StarTrek game
in teco. (They also wrote a startrek game in Cobol ... YUCK!)


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Re: FrameBuffer - keyboard problems

[Matt Folwell]

On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 01:52:22PM +0100, Bernhard Dobbels wrote:

> I have an S3 Trio3D video card so i had to use the framebuffer device if i
> wanted a 1024x768 display.
> Now i have some anoying keyboard problems. I can't use the AltGr key
> anymore (it has become left-key). So any key like |@#{}[]`\ i cannot use
> anymore in X. 
> The PgUp/PgDn and some other keys aren't working either, but i could solve
> this with xmodmap. Though some people said me this is not a good
> sollution. 
> 
> I got the keyboard section from sombody with the same videocard and
> was also using Framebuffer device and had the same problems. For him
> this was a sollution, for me not. This is my keyboard section for the
> moment:
> 
> Section "Keyboard"
> Protocol"Standard" #Standard|Xqueue
> #   XkbDisable
> AutoRepeat  500 5
> LeftAlt Meta
> RightAltModeShift

If you want AltGr to do the same as Alt, change that to Meta

> ScrollLock  Compose
> RightCtlControl
> XkbRules"xfree86"
> XkbModel"pc101" #pc101|pc102|xfree86|microsoft

If it's a standard pc keyboard (or  a windows 95 one) that should
be pc102

> XkbLayout   "be"
> EndSection
> 
> Any help?

The rest is the same as mine, but I also have the following lines:

   XkbKeycodes "xfree86"
   XkbTypes"default"
   XkbCompat   "default"
   XkbSymbols  "us(pc101)"
   XkbGeometry "pc"

They were all put there by XF86Setup; I don't know what difference they make.

Hope that helps,
Matt

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Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.

[Kenneth Scharf]

Windows and Linux can co-exist on the same disk drive without
problems.  I have windows 95 and debian on different partitions of the
same disk.  Windows / dos will ignore partition types 81, 82 ,83 etc. 
What you need to do is to first partition the virgin disk under
windows (leaving room for linux!) then add your linux partitions using
linux fdisk.  The reason is to insure that MS fdisk doesn't do the job
wrong and grab part of the linux partitions. (I have heard that MS
fdisk can try to make partitions not using whole number of cylinders
while linux fdisk always rounds up to a whole cylinder.)  Also
installing windows first allows you to set up lilo to use the MBA and
boot windows as the second (or first) choice.  (Seems weird having
lilo boot windows by default, but I have done this!).



==
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re: Cheap pnp ne2000 Lan cards

[Kenneth Scharf]

>>.

I bought some cheap PNP ide ne2000 compatible crds to setup a small net
work. My bios does not seeem to recognise the cards, but it does see my
pnp sound card.  Is there anything I can do via debian to use these
cards? 
The cards are made by LanStar.  They were only $12 each so it won't
break me if they are junk.  But any help is appreciated.
 By the way I only have or use Gnu/Debian, so a solution involving other
os's is not viable.  Thanks

--
I assume they are Isa cards.  PCI cards shouldn't do this!  We had a
similar problem here.  By first putting the cards in a different
computer (with a bios that would find the cardsyour problem IS THE
BIOS!) we ran the dos configure utility that came with the cards. 
Then the card was yanked out and put in the first computer...where it
now worked!  I guess there is flash rom on the card that must be
programed first before it will work.


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Re: Using Procmail - mail won't deliver to Default

[wtopa]

Subject: Using Procmail - mail won't deliver to Default
Date: Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 06:14:13AM -0600

In reply to:Lance Hoffmeyer

Quoting Lance Hoffmeyer([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> in .procmailrc
> 
> SHELL = /bin/sh
> MAILDIR =$HOME/Mail
> LOGFILE =$HOME/_logfile
> VERBOSE = yes
> LOGABSTRACT = no
> PATH =
> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/bin/mh
> DEFAULT=Inbox
> #ORGMAIL=/var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME
> 
> but mail does not go to Inbox.  I have also tried 
> 
> DEFAULT /$HOME/Mail/Inbox
> and
> #Default
> 
> I am getting the _logfile so what have I got wrong in the syntax to
> prevent me from getting mail in /$HOME/Mail/Inbox.  There is an Inbox in
> /Mail.
> 
> Lance

The answer to the above can be found in man procmailrc.  Reading the
man pages answers 50%i, or more,  of questions people post to mailing 
lists and newsgroups.  In says past asking questions like the above 
would have received the response   RTFM.  

Times are changing, some.  

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I have not looked back since.
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Re: Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!

[wtopa]

Subject: Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!
Date: Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 01:13:31AM -0800

In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> Please Help me again!
> Thanks for helping me with mounting, but now I would like to 
> ask you another thing.
> 
> How can I setup my sound card(Sound Blaster 16)?
> I have heard something about "make menuconfig" "make config" 
> but this doesn't work in my computer. A error message 
> appears saying "no target to make rule config".
> How can I solve this problem. 
> I have heard something about compiling the kernel, how?
> 
> Thanks again!
> 

#1 requirement for a Linux newbie.  Read the DOC's!  In this case
The Linux Kernel HOWTO.

Some research on your part might save you some embarrassment and
lead to more people responding to message subjects that indicate you
have not tried to help yourself, first.


-- 
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-- S. C. Johnson
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Re: potato -"heyho!" message?

[wtopa]

Subject: potato -"heyho!" message?
Date: Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 04:43:28PM +0900

In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> I upgraded from hamm to potato yesterday without any trouble, however after
> the upgrade was completed, I noticed a strange problem.
> 
> I had several Eterms open when the message "heyho!" (followed by a newline
> character) started to be repeatedly printed on one of them. The keyboard did
> not seem to have any effect (even CTRL-C) and the only way to stop the
> message from being repeated was to close the Eterm window.
> 
> That was the second time that this problem occurred. The first time I didn't
> take much notice of it, so I'm not sure whether it appeared on an xterm or
> an Eterm.
> 
> The second time, the problem occurred, I tried "ps -a" on another terminal
> while the message was being printed, but I didn't notice anything out of the
> ordinary.
> 
> Has anybody else experienced this? Does anyone know what it is?
> 
> Anthony

I can offer a thought.  Did you load any packages to use X10 devices?
Maybe xtend?  If so there is a package called 'heyu' which is used to
talk to an X10 controller.  That 'might' be what you are seeing.

HTH

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nothing.
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Re: PPP log message

[John Hasler]

ivan writes:
> Is this normal?

Your ppp.log looks quite normal.  

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Dancing Horse Hill
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Re:[SOLVED] ipmasqadm question

[whbell]

Quoting "Ralf G. R. Bergs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:52:34 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >I checked with dselect and found I have ipmasq 3.3.1 installed already.
> >There is NO sign of ipmasqadm on my system anywhere.
> >
> >I have run 'find / -name ipmasqadm' with no hits.
> >
> >I do appreciate your help.  Please don't stop now, but I am in no big
> >hurry.  Perhaps there are others out there that have the needed info.
> 
> Ok, another day, another try. :-)
> 
> Here's the info you want, but you may not like it:
> 
>   #dpkg -S ipmasqadm
>   netbase: /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm
>   [...]
> 
>   #dpkg -l netbase
>   Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
>   | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config
>   |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,
>   ||/ NameVersionDescription
>   +++-===-==-=
>   ii  netbase 3.12-2 Basic TCP/IP networking binaries
> 
> As you see it's the "unstable" version of netbase. Don't worry you can 
> install it without having to fear that it breaks your system (at least it 
> didn't on my system ;-)
> 
> >Danke,  (sp?)
> 
> You're welcome. (The spelling of "Danke" is right. :-)
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
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> 

Thank you Ralf,

You have found the missing ipmasqadm for me.  I am not getting the same
returns you are showing using the 'dpkg -S' and '-l' commands, (I will
leave that for another thread).

I don't have any problem playing with the new toys.  I just have not
installed from potato untill needed.

Thanks again for your help.

-Bill


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Safest way to segregate /usr (or others)

[Ian Keith Setford]

I would like to separate /usr onto its own partition on a different disk.
First, I am under the assumption that this might speed my I/O times
because both disks are Ultra2's.  Secondly given my set-up below, what is
the *safest* method to separate /usr.  I thought of two ways but would
feel safer if I had some outside advice.

/dev/sda = 2.1G
/dev/sdb = 4.5G

Current:
-
/dev/sda1   /
/dev/sda2   /home
/dev/sda3   /export1
/dev/sda4   swap

Desired:

/dev/sda1   /
/dev/sda2   /home
/dev/sda3   /export1
/dev/sda4   swap

/dev/sdb1   /usr
/dev/sdb2   /export2
/dev/sdb3   /export3
--

I am open to any other suggestions about ideal partitioning/mount-points
for this new drive but I still desire a safe method to get any new
directories on the new drive.

TIA.

-Ian
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Re: FrameBuffer - keyboard problems

[Bernhard Dobbels]

|If it's a standard pc keyboard (or  a windows 95 one) that
should
|be pc102

It is an original IBM keyboard manufactered in the UK in 1985, and still
working very fine ;-) and it has 102 keys. But changing this line, didn't
change anything in X?

Maybe i've lost some file that x needs, but it doesn't complain:

|XFree86 Version 3.3.3.1 / X Window System
|(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
|Release Date: December 29 1998
|If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
|than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
|problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
|Operating System: Linux 2.0.36 i586 [ELF]
^ ^

Can this be a problem? I have 2.2.1 i686

|Configured drivers:
|   FBDev: Server for frame buffer device
|   (Patchlevel 10): mfb, cfb8, cfb16, cfb24, cfb32
|(using VT number 12)

|XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
|(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
|(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
|(**) XKB: model: "pc102"
|(**) XKB: layout: "be"
|(**) Mouse: type: MouseSystems, device: /dev/gpmdata, baudrate: 1200
|(**) Mouse: buttons: 3
|(**) FBDev: Graphics device ID: "Primary Card"
|(**) FBDev: Monitor ID: "Primary Monitor"
|(**) FontPath set to
|"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/freefont,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
|(**) FBDev: Using default frame buffer video mode
|(--) FBDev: Frame buffer device: VESA VGA
|(--) FBDev: Video memory: 4096K @ 0xd800
|(--) FBDev: MMIO regs: 0K @ (nil)
|(--) FBDev: Type 0 type_aux 0 bits_per_pixel 32
||(--) FBDev: Hardware accelerator: None
|(--) FBDev: No driver support for hardware acceleration
|(--) FBDev: Using cfb32 driver
|Warning: /dev/gpmdata unable to get status of mouse fd (Invalid argument)

Is this normal?

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Re: Booting

[Andrei Ivanov]

I have a procedure to make Deb bootable described on my homepage, under
LILO section.
URL is below,
  Andrew

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Re: Safest way to segregate /usr (or others)

[Andrei Ivanov]

Just get the new drive ready for Linux (partition and make fs)
Make a new directory on the drive,
and then just copy the /usr files into it.
Then edit /etc/fstab to indicate the new mount point.
Reboot to make sure it's all fine, and you are set.
Andrew 

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Re: Long filenames on cdr

[Odin]

On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Bernhard Dobbels wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've tried the joliet extention, but aparently, when i mount the cdimage,
> the filenames are cutoff at 32 characters. 
> Any ideas?

If you're not going to be using these discs in any M$ products, Rockridge
is the unix way to do it.  Although, I _thought_ Joliet did 80 chars.

-R option to mkhybrid or mkisofs whichever you use.

I believe you need to give -R to cdrecord as well, though you'll have to
man cdrecord on that one.

HTH

-Dano

Dselect apt method removes files when you select install?

[Jim Foltz]

Hi,

I use apt to keep up with slink. I used dselect/apt-method and selcted 2 files
to purge. I then selected INSTALL from dselect and it proceeded to remove the
packages. I did not select any new packages to install, so I assumed that
INSTALL would simply report that there were 0 packages to install. Then I could
select REMOVE is I so desired. 

Isn't it backwards to select INSTALL and have the result be to REMOVE packages?

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RE: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.

[Person, Roderick]

This is what I did, except I believe I used the Linux fdisk to create the
partitions. Is this going to make such a difference. Windows does not detect
my Linux partitions - so maybe the overlapping partitions my be the answer I
will check that out as soon as I get home. Thanks All!!



> -Original Message-
> From: Kenneth Scharf [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:29 AM
> To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:  Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
> 
> Windows and Linux can co-exist on the same disk drive without
> problems.  I have windows 95 and debian on different partitions of the
> same disk.  Windows / dos will ignore partition types 81, 82 ,83 etc. 
> What you need to do is to first partition the virgin disk under
> windows (leaving room for linux!) then add your linux partitions using
> linux fdisk.  The reason is to insure that MS fdisk doesn't do the job
> wrong and grab part of the linux partitions. (I have heard that MS
> fdisk can try to make partitions not using whole number of cylinders
> while linux fdisk always rounds up to a whole cylinder.)  Also
> installing windows first allows you to set up lilo to use the MBA and
> boot windows as the second (or first) choice.  (Seems weird having
> lilo boot windows by default, but I have done this!).
> 
> 
> 
> ==
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> 
> http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: Janet

[Keith G. Murphy]

I can't let that pass.  Sorry.

I once knew a guy that broadcast something very similar to every user on
an entire (large) VAXCluster at a major hospital.  :-)

ktb wrote:
> 
> oops, sorry.
> 
> ktb wrote:
> 
> > You are beautiful.
> > Kent
> >
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RE: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive - Other Co-existi ng OS Problems...

[Person, Roderick]

This maybe true, but I have noticed that once I mount a DOS floppy in Debian
after two or three times It is unreadable by Windows. It seems to me that
Linux is Hell on floppies. Even my Debian only floppies seem to have a
extremely short life. I thought my Floppy was dying then i changed it and
still the same problems.

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Pfeifer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:38 PM
> To:   Debian User Mailing List
> Subject:  Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
> 
> "John C. Ellingboe" wrote:
> > 
> > Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X
> > writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't.  Some of those disks
> > are still unusable today because of that.  I would make sure that
> > there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that.
> > I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never
> > access my Linux disks in any way.  You have been warned...
> 
> Well, let's not *too* get carried away with the anti-MS stuff. Nothing
> any OS writes to any disk, anywhere, will make it permanently unusable.
> If nothing else, clearing the MBR sector and starting from scratch will
> work.
> 
> Tom
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.debian.org
> 
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RE: Dselect apt method removes files when you select install?

[Shaleh]

On 05-Mar-99 Jim Foltz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I use apt to keep up with slink. I used dselect/apt-method and selcted 2
> files
> to purge. I then selected INSTALL from dselect and it proceeded to remove the
> packages. I did not select any new packages to install, so I assumed that
> INSTALL would simply report that there were 0 packages to install. Then I
> could
> select REMOVE is I so desired. 
> 
> Isn't it backwards to select INSTALL and have the result be to REMOVE
> packages?
> 

If you use the apt method only the update, select, and install options do
anything.  The configure and remove are never touched.

apt will remove packages in the way, then install new ones, and finally
configure the whole lot.

Re: Help! Debian install

[Steve McIntyre]

[Removed Ian from cc:]

On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Nick wrote:

>On Fri 05 Mar, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Nick wrote:
>>
>> >> Hmmm. Actually, thinking again, I had a similar problem myself a while
>> >> back when I first installed Debian, and I ended up having to build a
>> >> custom kernel. ISTR it was a SCSI or network card probe getting 
>confused,
>> >> maybe by a sound card. Do you have audio on this laptop?
>> >
>> >Yes. ESS Maestro or something - I don't think it is supported by Debian.
>>
>> OK, I'd suggest disabling it if possible and see if that helps...
>
>Thanks, but that sounds rather more hardware than I can manage ;-/ There
>isn't a BIOS setting for it, and even if it were a separate card (and
>it probably isn't) I'd have a hard time taking my portable to bits to get
>at it.
>
>Isn't there some fancy command I can give the Debian installer to stop it
>probing the sound?

To be honest, I'm not too sure. Maybe somebody on debian-user can help...

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Vote Linus for Person of the Century

[Kevin Traas]

Hey, Linus Torvalds isn't even in the top 20!  Let's change that!  ;-)

>Time Magazine is allowing us to vote for Time Magazines
>Person of the Century, which will be in their December 1999 issue.
> To vote go to:
>http://www.pathfinder.com/time/time100/toppersonmain.html


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Re: ipmasqadm question

[Bob Nielsen]

Bill,

Yes, the thread was cut a bit.  I didn't see the part about 2.2.1, sorry.

I am not running ppp on my machine with 2.2.2, but Documentation/Changes
says: 

   As of 2.1.102, the IP firewalling code has been replaced; ipfwadm
will no longer work.  You need to obtain "ipchains," available from
http://www.rustcorp.com/linux/ipchains/ , and use that instead of
ipfwadm.

   To use masq forwarding you will need to obtain "ipmasqadm,"
available from http://juanjox.linuxhq.com/ .

The frozen and unstable Packages file discription for ipmasq refers to a
ipmasqadm package, but this package does not seem to exist.   Until it
gets packaged, you'll have to get it from the sources mentioned above.

Bob

On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Quoting Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Are you sure you don't mean ipfwadm (which is part of netbase)?
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > I checked with dselect and found I have ipmasq 3.3.1 installed already.
> > > There is NO sign of ipmasqadm on my system anywhere.
> > > 
> > > I have run 'find / -name ipmasqadm' with no hits.
> > > 
> > > I do appreciate your help.  Please don't stop now, but I am in no big
> > > hurry.  Perhaps there are others out there that have the needed info.
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I believe ipfwadm only works with kernels < 2.1.90 or so.  The reading
> I get from the kernel source with 2.2.1 is that ipmasqadm is required.
> 
> This thread has been heavily cut.  The full details of my system are:
> 
> Slink (mostly)
> 2.2.1 kernel
> Looking for port forwarding tool(s).
> 
> Thanks for you help,
> -Bill
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Questions about kernel-package 6.x and kernel-source*.deb's

[Richard Kaszeta]

Recently I upgraded most of my machines from the version of
kernel-package that came with hamm to 6.05.

Now when I build kernel source packages, instead of the kernel-source
package unrolling to /usr/src/kernel-source-x.x.x it just creates
/usr/src/kernel-source-x.x.x.tar.gz.  

The make-kpkg man page states:

kernel_source
  This  target  produces  a debianised package of the
  Linux kernel sources. The package produced also has
  scripts  called  at  install  and delete times that
  manage the symbolic link /usr/src/linux and  ensure
  that   the   link   is   pointed   at   the  latest
  source/header package on the system.

suggesting that the /usr/src/linux link gets updated by the
kernel-source and kernel-headers packages.  But on my system, after
installing custom kernel packages, I get:

%ls -la /usr/src
total 12944
drwxrwsr-x   4 root src  1024 Mar  5 08:46 .
drwxr-xr-x  17 root root 1024 Feb  4 10:18 ..
drwxr-xr-x   8 root root 1024 Oct 26 09:48 boot-floppies
drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 1024 Mar  5 08:45 kernel-headers-2.2.1
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 13196998 Feb  5 09:58 
kernel-source-2.2.1.tar.gz

so this obviously isn't happening.

The problem I have is that I have a number of third party kernel
modules (mostly gpib), which are expecting to find a configured src
tree in /usr/src, including module information .  Even if I unroll
kernel-source-2.2.1.tar.gz and point /usr/src/linux to it, these won't
building since neither of these packages include the version
information contained in /usr/src/linux/modversions.h and
/usr/src/linux/modules/*.ver.  So something isn't working here.

My workaround has been ugly... when I make a custom kernel, I sandbag
the .config.  When I need to build third-party modules, I unroll my
upstream kerenl source in /usr/src/linux, copy in the .config, do a
full kernel build but no install, then build the modules, install the
modules, and clean up my mess.
 
There's definitely at least one bug here, but I thought I'd ask for a
clarification before submitting a bug report.

Can anyone clear up this mess?

Thanks.


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Re: Safest way to segregate /usr (or others)

[Frankie]

Andrei Ivanov wrote:
> 
> Just get the new drive ready for Linux (partition and make fs)
> Make a new directory on the drive,
> and then just copy the /usr files into it.

cp -av should do it.

(assuming you didnt know how to copy or you wouldnt have asked how to do
it)

frankie

> Then edit /etc/fstab to indicate the new mount point.
> Reboot to make sure it's all fine, and you are set.
> Andrew
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Problems using vfat mounts as ordinary user

[eric Farris]

I have been slowly moving from Windows95 to Debian Linux. For the past
several months, i've been using root as my everyday login. i know that's
a bad idea, but to get me started it seemed the simplest way. now i feel
comfortable enough using Linux and WindowMaker to switch from root to an
ordinary account. Among the problems i've encountered is this one: my
vfat drives (/dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb1) are read-only to me as an ordinary
user. these drives are mounted on startup by the following lines in my
/etc/fstab:

/dev/hda1  /cdrive vfat  rw,user,errors=remount-ro  
0 1
/dev/hdb1  /cdrive vfat  rw,user,errors=remount-ro  
0 1

As root, the mounts are rw; but as an ordinary user they are ro. any
suggestions?

MTIA
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Re: Using Procmail - mail won't deliver to Default

[Bob Nielsen]

That should be:

DEFAULT=$HOME/Mail/Inbox

On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote:

> in .procmailrc
> 
> SHELL = /bin/sh
> MAILDIR =$HOME/Mail
> LOGFILE =$HOME/_logfile
> VERBOSE = yes
> LOGABSTRACT = no
> PATH =
> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/bin/mh
> DEFAULT=Inbox
> #ORGMAIL=/var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME
> 
> but mail does not go to Inbox.  I have also tried 
> 
> DEFAULT /$HOME/Mail/Inbox
> and
> #Default
> 
> I am getting the _logfile so what have I got wrong in the syntax to
> prevent me from getting mail in /$HOME/Mail/Inbox.  There is an Inbox in
> /Mail.
> 
> Lance
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Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

[Frankie]

Ed Cogburn wrote:
> 
> Frankie wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > You are perhaps referring the "Linux Standard Base" that RH and
> > > Deb have, for the moment, agreed to?  The problem is that the
> > > greater RH's dominance becomes, the greater the chance that they
> > > will no longer see this kind of cooperation as desirable, and in
> > > effect decide on their own that RH *is* the "Linux Standard
> > > Base".  If they don't try too hard too quickly, then I fear they
> > > just might get away with it.
> >
> > This is exactly what I meant in my original post, when I asked if redhat
> > were the next MS.
> >
> > The thing that worried me most about the poll I saw, was that there was
> > only one major distro, and such a huge gap between the others:
> >
> > If all of the distros are growing at a rate of, say, 30%, then where
> > does that leave us in 1 years time?
> > the bigger get bigger and the smaller get smaller, relatively.
> > That is, debian has to grow at 130% just to stay in the same league as
> > redhat.
> >
> > This is, perhaps, an inherent flaw of capitalism, although lets not go
> > into that.
> >
> > With MS, once they were the biggest, (corporation/market share/whatever)
> > it became very hard for them to be knocked. They always had the
> > upperhand against any of their competitors. (Plus they may (pending
> > result of US suit against MS) have been prepared to play dirty)
> >
> > Thus Redhat, being 3 times as large as debian will be able to push
> > debian aside if it desires, or to impose conditions on debian if it
> > decides to do so.
> >
> > At the moment that seems impossible, and I think it is, but as linux
> > stops being a geeky sideline OS (as is happening at the moment), but
> > becomes a serious player, both in the server and desktop markets, then
> > linux will be mainstream, and then there will be no more friendly
> > cooperation between the distros.
> >
> > This is why debian needs to expand its user base, apart from anything
> > else.
> 
> We're in agreement, although I'm more pessimistic about Linux's
> chances in the desktop market.
> 
> The problem is how can Debian grow its user base any faster?
> Debian is not a commercial company that defines its success by its
> market share.  Even if Debian had the money to spend on
> advertising, I'm willing to bet there will be a significant number
> of developers who would consider paying for advertising as a waste
> of money.

Quite possibly - if everyone who has a website were to stick a debian
logo on it, it would increase visibility and knowledge of debian. This
would cost nothing. I know I've said it before, but if I say it again it
will do no harm.

Slashdot has a redhat logo, for example, and linus t and alan c are
known to use redhat - I think I read that rms uses debian (or has
recently installed it or sthg). Couldn't this info be disseminated to a
wider audience?

"The bloke that wrote (or whatever) the majority of the programs you
use uses debian?"


> Like George Bonser has said previously, I think the only way that
> Debian is going to grow its market share better than its currently
> growing is for the creation of a commercial company which adopts
> Debian as its base distribution.  This company can provide
> corporate support to enhance Debian's position in the corporate
> world, and improve the install and maintenance of the system, by
> adding new software which isn't a priority for current Debian
> developers.

That may be true, but debian has become deputy leading distro with NO
paid advertising, and no commercial backing, So it must have reasonable
marketing anyway. This is my list of ways to improve the position of
debian for free: (the more times I repeat it on debian user, the more it
will sink in hopefully :-)

) Obviously recommending debian to colleagues/associates/friends
) sticking a debian logo on your website
) pestering major sites to display a debian logo
) Making sure that articles are written for stuff like
slashdot/32bitsonline etc that mention debian.
)


> When potential customers discover Debian is purely a volunteer
> effort, they will assume that Debian is some kind of slap-dash,
> low quality product.  Most of these companies will want a
> distribution that has corporate support available for it.
> Unfortunately, I don't see any improvement of the situation,
> unless such a commercial company actually gets established.

Valid point - couldn't the volunteer nature be made into a positive
thing? Like that the people who work on debian are every bit as
qualified, but WANT TO.

(that hopefully implies dedication/committedness/quality or whatever)

frankie


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Re: dselect handling stable AND unstable [was Re: forcing dselect to downgrade]

[Rick Macdonald]

George Bonser wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> > Hmmm, that doesn't seem much different than if you just define unstable,
> > except for packages that are only in one or the other. The intersection
> > of stable and unstable would just be the same as unstable anyway. Right?
> 
> For the most part, correct.

One last clarification.

You stressed that one should tell dselect (apt) about stable first, then
unstable. Does this indicate that in fact dselect doesn't always present
the _newest_ version, it presents the last occurrence found?

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Re: Problems using vfat mounts as ordinary user

[J.H.M. Dassen]

On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 10:10:42 -0500, eric Farris wrote:
> /dev/hda1  /cdrive vfat  rw,user,errors=remount-ro  
> 0 1

> As root, the mounts are rw; but as an ordinary user they are ro. any
> suggestions?

Put the users that should have write access in a group, and use the uid=,
gid= and umask= settings in /etc/fstab ; they're documented in mount(8).

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Please HELP ME AGAIN!!!

[Andrei Ivanov]

Ok, concerning 'make menuconfig'
It's a command to start configuration for your own kernel. For that you
have to have the kernel source package installed, it should be in
/usr/src/kernel-*/
Go there, and do either 
'make xconfig' or 'make menuconfig' I like the first one, because it's
a GUI so I can jump between options in no particular order.
What you need to knowfor your own kernel config. is what you want your
computer to have. Basic kernel , which you arerunning now, comes with a
bunch of options which you may not need, and is missing some others.
So, know what you want first. Then, for example, to the sound card:
You have to have parameters of the card( IO, IRQ, DMAs). You can get those
in Windows. If your card is PnP, then you need to modify the kernel
compilation slightly.
Anyway, if you got any questions about this, email me. 
Andrew

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RE: cpu used too much

[Lewis, James M.]

zombie processes are the remains of a process that exited.  The reason
they hang around is that the parent process didn't do a "wait" on them.
As soon as the parent process exits, the zombie should be inherited by
init and init will clean them up.  Zombie's don't use any cpu and they
don't use any memory.  The only thing left is the entry in the process
table.  They don't hurt you except if you fill up the process table with
them (in which case you start seeing "cannot fork" errors).  I suppose
there could be circumstances where you would expect zombies but it is
usually considered a bug in the parent process.

jim

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>any way to get rid of zombie processes? Good ol' kill -9 doesn't cut
>it...I don't want to reboot just to get rid of them :(
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