Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Bruce Perens]

From: Igor Grobman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bruce, you must have missed the latest editor war while on vacation! :).
> As a result, we have elvis-tiny (the reduced elvis) on the base disks (no
> impersonators! ).

Oh. I hope nobody gets too used to it - eventually I'd like to shrink
that disk some more so that I can get PPP and FTP on it, so that we can
do a one-floppy install via FTP.

Thanks

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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Igor Grobman]

On May 29, Bruce Perens wrote
> 
> From: Igor Grobman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Bruce, you must have missed the latest editor war while on vacation! :).
> > As a result, we have elvis-tiny (the reduced elvis) on the base disks (no
> > impersonators! ).
> 
> Oh. I hope nobody gets too used to it - eventually I'd like to shrink
> that disk some more so that I can get PPP and FTP on it, so that we can
> do a one-floppy install via FTP.

Note that I said "on the base disks".  Rescue disk still has the good old
ugly ae on it :).

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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Bruce Perens]

From: Igor Grobman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Note that I said "on the base disks".  Rescue disk still has the good old
> ugly ae on it :).

OK. Try "ae -f /etc/ae2vi.rc" on a 1.3 system sometime. It's impressive
what you can do with a 23k editor!

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Re: Debian Security packages?

[Christian Hudon]

On May 22, Kendrick Myatt wrote
> Be happy to make them... what all is involved?  Do I have to have permission
> of the author or anything weird like that?  Please point me in the direction
> oif whatever I need to get started.

Sorry for the delay...

To get started building Debian packages, you should take a look at the
"Debian Packaging Manual" and the "Debian Policy Manual". The former
describes the technical details of building packages (what goes into a
Debian source package, what goes into a .deb file, etc.) It comes comes
with the "dpkg" package, so you should already have it installed under
/usr/doc/dpkg/packaging.html 

The policy manual describes what should go into a Debian package and how it
should be organized (permissions of files, etc.) To get it, install the
"debian-policy" package. Section 6 talks about how to become a Debian
developper, so you'll definitely want to read that one. Another section
talks about "package copyrights" (what kinds of copyrights are too
restrictive for Debian, etc.)  Usually you don't need to ask permission
from the upstream author... they either allow other people to modify their
program and upload binaries, or they don't. To know if you're allowed,
you'll have to read the package's copyright notice. For instance, packages
which are distributed using the Artistic License, the GPL or the BSD
license are fine... in these cases, there's no problem with packaging up
the program for Debian and you don't need to ask any kind of permission to
do so. If you're not sure whether the package's license allows you to
package it up for Debian, ask on the debian-devel mailing list and people
will help you.

Finally, to create Debian packages, you'll need the "dpkg-dev"
package... but you probably already have it installed since it is marked
with "priority: important".

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl R. Sackett) has his name listed besides the "satan"
and "gabriel" packages in the "Work-Needing and Prospective Packages" list,
so if you were planning to package one of these you should email him first
to ask him if he's still insterested in packaging them up.

Hopefully that answers your questions... If you have any more, don't
hesitate to ask them, either here or on debian-devel.

Thanks,

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Re: PCMCIA Ethernet/Modem cards..

[Douglas L Stewart]

On Thu, 29 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone out there has gotten any of the
> PCMCIA Ethernet/Modem cards working under Debian/Linux on
> a laptop?  I'm looking at buying one.. but, of course I would
> like to buy a brand that I should be able to get to work
> under Debian.  If anyone has any testimonial stories or any
> other pointers to where I can find out this information..
> it would be great appreciated since those cards are a pretty
> penny!

I have a Megahertz XJEM336 modem that's a 33.6 and a 10bT/10b2 ethernet
card in one.

The modem worked from day 1 just fine.  The ethernet didn't work until I
upgraded the PCMCIA drivers to 2.9.2.  I'm not exactly sure why this was.

I still haven't gotten 10b2 to work, but I haven't had a pressing need for
it.  I'm sure it's quite fixable.

Another problem I've had is running ethernet and the modem at the same
time.  Occasionally I want to do this, but I've had some real problems.  I
start getting a lot of timeouts from the ethernet card when I do this and
it basically stops working.

One of my biggest complaints with the XJEM336 is the way the phone jack
interface hangs out.  It's extremely hard to use the modem side of the
card with another card at the same time, if the other card has a cable
sticking out of it and your PCMCIA slots are right on top of each other.
Of course, this isn't linux specific.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the card.

-douglas


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File version conflicts...

[Curt Howland]

I am trying to install the basic ftp file set, and I get the
following errors:

-
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libreadline2-dev:
 libreadline2-dev depends on libreadline2 (= 2.0.1-2); however:
  Version of libreadline2 on system is 2.1-2.
dpkg: error processing libreadline2-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc5-dev:
 libc5-dev depends on libc5 (= 5.4.20-1); however:
  Version of libc5 on system is 5.4.23-3.
dpkg: error processing libc5-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libg++27-dev:
 libg++27-dev depends on libc5-dev; however:
  Package libc5-dev is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing libg++27-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libdb1-dev:
 libdb1-dev depends on libc5-dev (>= 5.2.16-1); however:
  Package libc5-dev is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing libdb1-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libgdbm1-dev:
 libgdbm1-dev depends on libc5-dev (>= 5.2.16); however:
  Package libc5-dev is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing libgdbm1-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 libreadline2-dev
 libc5-dev
 libg++27-dev
 libdb1-dev
 libgdbm1-dev
DPKG ERROR
-

This is kind of an FYI, has anyone else had this
problem? If so, what fixed it?

This happened both the first time, and after my
complete reinstall yesterday.

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efax

[Jim Smith]

Is anyone using Efax? According to Page 15 of the manpage one can add
an entry to /etc/printcap and then print to efax as though it was a
regular printer. It didn't work for me as expected, I was given an error
message "fax: No Such printer". Has anyone had success using this method
and if so could someone post a correct /etc/printcap entry.

Many thanks.

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Re: File version conflicts...

[Christian Hudon]

On May 29, Curt Howland wrote
> 
> I am trying to install the basic ftp file set, and I get the
> following errors:

The problem is that the versions of libc5 and libc5-dev don't match (and
likewise for libreadline2 and libreadline2-dev). If you're not planning on
doing development, you don't need the -dev packages. Otherwise... What are
you trying to install from? Whatever it is, it's got a problem. Debian 1.2
and the soon to be released Debian 1.3 don't have that problem on
ftp.debian.org. You might want to get your packages from there, or at least
from a mirror that's closer to ftp.debian.org. (Assuming you are doing your
install through ftp.)

  Christian


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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Eloy A. Paris]

Bruce Perens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: From: Igor Grobman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: > Bruce, you must have missed the latest editor war while on vacation! :).
: > As a result, we have elvis-tiny (the reduced elvis) on the base disks (no
: > impersonators! ).
: 
: Oh. I hope nobody gets too used to it - eventually I'd like to shrink
: that disk some more so that I can get PPP and FTP on it, so that we can
: do a one-floppy install via FTP.

I missed that editor war too (did it take place in debian-devel?).

Regarding the fact that a tiny vi is included in the base disks, I agree
with Bruce that it is more important to get one disk installs than
placing vi on the base disks. I think that any one used to vi can get 
used to a small editor like ae without problems. Besides, there is 
little need for a powerful editor at installation time.

E.-

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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Dale Scheetz]

On Thu, 29 May 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

> From: Che Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Pretty much everything went well -- the biggest surprise was that
> > the base disks, although there were 5 of them, offered *much* more
> > functionality this time around than ever before. Having elvis was
> > lovely
> 
> That's not Elvis, it's an Elvis impersonator! If I'm not mistaken
> it's actually a macro file for "ae" to emulate vi!

Actually Bruce, although the ae imposter is still included, it has been
superceded by a tiny version of elvis. The worst part of it is that this
version refuses to let other versions of vi execute after they have been
installed. I haven't had the time to look into it and figure out a work
around. I really hate it. It doesn't do word wrap and drops out of insert
mode at very surprising times. I have several reports that installations
of other vi packages are completely ignored and any call to vi continues
to give the crippled elvis version.

Luck,

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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Eloy A. Paris]

Igor Grobman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: Note that I said "on the base disks".  Rescue disk still has the good old
: ugly ae on it :).

Ooppsss. Sorry for my last message. I read this one too late :-)

E.-

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xvmount

[Jim Smith]

Attempting to run xvmount, I get an error msg: "can't load library
'libxview.so.3'". Doing an "ls" in /usr/X11R6/lib shows that in fact
libxview.so.3 is there (and is a link to libxview.so.3.2.3). Something
missing here?

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Arggggghhh!!! Why is this so hard???

[Seth Rutenberg]

I solved the compiling problem I was having b4.  Now I'm having all kinds
of fun new problems trying to compile one with ppp and other options.  Just
thought I'd gripe... :P
Thanks 4 listening :)


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Compaq modem?!?

[Rick Jones]

I have a compaq presario 336 modem that isn't plug-n-play but doesn't seem
to be recognised.  Is their a trick to it or is it another of Compaq's
little tricks to isolate their hardware?

L8R,

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PCMCIA Ethernet/Modem cards..

[Christian Lynbech]

I have just tested out a laptop, and I recommend that you AVOID the
Dell Latitude.

They newer ones comes with an unsupported graphic card (MagigGraph or
NeoMagic). The result was both that I could not combine X in high
resolution (800x600) and text mode (if one was working the other was
unusable) and that it needed to run from the VGA16 server, meaning
that only 16 colours was available.


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amd - errors / not working

[loki]

I'm trying to use amd 5.2.2.2 unoficial patch lev 102 under debian 1.2
could some other users please post their amd configuration files, with
copious comments? As far as I can tell from the error messages, the
NFS systems are never mounted anywhere in any way.  Trafshow tells me
that no udp requests even leave the computer when I start up amd. 
When I cd to the map mount directory, however (/amd as below), i get
the message nfs_return_code_116 The startup command I use has changed
a lot, but the one I have now seems to be the best according to how I
understand the docs.  I'll remove the -D test when it's working. I
start amd on computer arvs.cimc.com with the command (using a text 
file map)

amd -a /tmp_amd -D test -r -x all -d cimc.com /amd /etc/amd/amd.arvs1

and my configuration file (amd.arvs1) is 

# want to access the floppy drive in such a way that removing it
# without unmounting will not cause a kernel panic.
floptype:=link;fs:=/mnt/floppy

mnt/floppy  type:=ufs;fs:=${autodir}/${key};dev:=/dev/fd0

# beowulf and joe are 2 other hosts on the network, want to
# mount their entire file systems.
mnt/beowulf -opts:=rw,grpid,nosuid,intr,soft \
type:=host;rhost:=beowulf;fs:=${autodir}/${key};rfs:=/

mnt/ljoe-opts:=rw,grpid,nosuid,intr,soft \
type:=host;rhost:=joe;fs:=${autodir}/${key};rfs:=/


This is my configuration  at the moment (/etc/amd/amd.arvs1) 
- I have gone through many
configurations.  My understanding is that under /amd  amd will create
symbolic links to /mnt/floppy, /mnt/joe. and /mnt/beowulf.  When I cd
to or ls /mnt/floppy or /mnt/joe or /mnt/beowulf, amd will catch the
reference and if that filesystem is not mounted, amd will mount it.

And here is the other bit of debugging that seems relevant.  After
starting amd, here's the interaction:

# cd /amd
# ls
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug: getattr:
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug:retry=116
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug: Select waits for 106s
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug: getattr:
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug:retry=116
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug: Select waits for 106s
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug: readdir:
May 26 07:26:28 arvs amd[692]/debug: Select waits for 106s


other configurations I have tried include putting the floppy mounts at
the end of the file, so maybe amd will get to the nfs mounts first
(maybe it's crapping out on the link mount). Other things I've tried
include specifying 

type:=nfs;fs:=/mnt/joe   for the joe system

/defaults  opts:=rw,soft,intr,timeo=10,retrans=5 

This used to be the top line of the amd.arvs1 map.

Is my understanding wrong (is ${autodir}/$key}   mounting stuff other
places?   then why didn't specifying fs:=/an/absolute/pathnot
work?I searched dejanews, but could not find anything pertinent.
Any help appreciated, TIA


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svgalib

[Klaus Ethgen]

Hi!

I use the debian-linux distribution for some month. Now I have a small
problem: If I start the game squake as user, I get the message:

svgalib: Cannot open /dev/console.
Exit -1

If I start this game as root then everythink is ok. But I don't like to
start any game as root. Also few weeks ago there was no problem.

Do anybody know what to do?

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Type1 fonts for X11

[Rainer Dorsch]

I recently installed Staroffice on my Debian computer. I found a problem, 
which is caused by Debian, not by StarOffice. When I start a screen 
presentation with star draw, it uses large X fonts, which look ugly, because 
they are zoomed pixel fonts. As far as I know, there are Type1 fonts available 
for Linux as well. Are there such fonts contained in any package?

If yes, please add this question to faq because many people willrun in this 
problem. Otherwise I would suggest to provide such a package.

If this problem is solved in 1.3, please send me an e-mail, and ignore the 
mail.

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Type1 fonts for X11 <2>

[Rainer Dorsch]

http://goblet.anu.edu.au/~m9305357/type1inst.html contains information about 
type1 fonts, if it is neccessary to build such a package.
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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Mark Boyns]

29 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Actually Bruce, although the ae imposter is still included, it has been
> superceded by a tiny version of elvis. The worst part of it is that this
> version refuses to let other versions of vi execute after they have been
> installed. I haven't had the time to look into it and figure out a work
> around. I really hate it. It doesn't do word wrap and drops out of insert
> mode at very surprising times. I have several reports that installations
> of other vi packages are completely ignored and any call to vi continues
> to give the crippled elvis version.

`dpkg -r tiny-elvis' followed by `dpkg -i nvi...' seems to work ok.


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Re: gzip always gives me error

[joost witteveen]

> # dpkg -i povray-manual_3.0.10-3.deb 
> 
> gzip: stdout: Broken pipe

Could you check the file povray-manual_3.0.10-3.deb ?
Is it equal to:

bo/binary-all/graphics$ ls -al povray-manual_3.0.10-3.deb
-r--r--r--   1 joostusers 1518294 Apr 10 21:57 
povray-manual_3.0.10-3.deb
bo/binary-all/graphics$ md5sum povray-manual_3.0.10-3.deb
7643ca13c6e3f0e527fc9ab2015661f3  povray-manual_3.0.10-3.deb

> -lars
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But how long are your .debs?

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I've been experiencing sudden loss of subscription to this list. No warnings,
nothing to indicate that the list might have a problem with delivering mail.
One day I will have new mail from the list, the next day, nothing... and
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Re: File Verision Conflicts

[Curt Howland]

>From: "Christian Hudon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>On May 29, Curt Howland wrote
>> 
>> I am trying to install the basic ftp file set, and I get the
>> following errors:

>The problem is that the versions of libc5 and libc5-dev don't match (and 
>likewise
>for libreadline2 and libreadline2-dev). If you're not planning on doing
>development, you don't need the -dev packages. Otherwise... What are you 
>trying to
>install from? Whatever it is, it's got a problem. Debian 1.2 and the soon to be
>released Debian 1.3 don't have that problem on ftp.debian.org. You might want 
>to
>get your packages from there, or at least from a mirror that's closer to
>ftp.debian.org. (Assuming you are doing your install through ftp.)

>  Christian

Thanks, except that I *am* using ftp.debian.org. Three or
four times, now, each time allowing the "recomended/required"
files to download, because I am not sure I could prevent
the download without "uninstalling" important stuff by
accident. Thank goodness I'm not using a modem!

Could the problem be that I took my base floppy install 
images from the "stable" directory, rather than from the
"Debian 1.2.xxx" images? Could I be getting a version
conflict from that? The base install was compiled May 20th.
I knew I was taking a small risk, but what the heck, it's free.

:^>

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Re: 1.3 Installation Report

[Dale Scheetz]

On 30 May 1997, Mark Boyns wrote:

> 29 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > Actually Bruce, although the ae imposter is still included, it has been
> > superceded by a tiny version of elvis. The worst part of it is that this
> > version refuses to let other versions of vi execute after they have been
> > installed. I haven't had the time to look into it and figure out a work
> > around. I really hate it. It doesn't do word wrap and drops out of insert
> > mode at very surprising times. I have several reports that installations
> > of other vi packages are completely ignored and any call to vi continues
> > to give the crippled elvis version.
> 
> `dpkg -r tiny-elvis' followed by `dpkg -i nvi...' seems to work ok.
> 
While this gives access to nvi it doesn't also give access to tiny-elvis.
The problem is that tiny-elvis, nvi, and vim all use /etc/alternatives as
their method of obtaining access. However because tiny-elvis puts itself
in with a priority of 99, while nvi and vim only have priorities of 30 and
20, the result is that the only alternative possible is tiny-elvis. The
fix is to change tiny-elvis's priority to 10, so that either of the other
two packages can take over as top dog when they get installed. Under those
circumstances, when all three are installed the one that executes for the
command "vi" is nvi, but you can execute either of the other two by using
their explicit name, so "vim" will get you that program, as will
"tiny-elvis". Your method of removing the "offending" package also removes
it from possible use, while correct implementation of alternatives allows
all to live comfortably on the same system.

This is being fixed as we speak,

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libc6 version 2.0.3-4 and ecvt

[Douglas Bates]

I have reported this as a bug in the libc6 package but I think it is
important enough to warn people on this list also.  It appears that
the ecvt function in libc6 version 2.0.3-4 is producing incorrect
results.  A test program shown below produces different results when
compiled against libc6 and against libc5.  According to the manual
page for ecvt the results from the libc5 version are the correct
results.

 bash-2.00$ cat ecvt_test.c
 #include 
 #include 

 void main(int argc, char **argv)
 {
   int decpt, sign; char * result;
   result = ecvt((double) 1234.567, (size_t) 7, &decpt, &sign);
   printf("result is %s, decpt is %d, sign is %d\n", result, decpt, sign);
   result = ecvt((double) -987.654321, (size_t) 7, &decpt, &sign);
   printf("result is %s, decpt is %d, sign is %d\n", result, decpt, sign);
   result = ecvt((double) 0, (size_t) 7, &decpt, &sign);
   printf("result is %s, decpt is %d, sign is %d\n", result, decpt, sign);
 }
 bash-2.00$ /usr/bin/gcc ecvt_test.c -o ecvt_test_libc6
 bash-2.00$ ldd ecvt_test_libc6
 libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4000f000)
 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
 bash-2.00$ /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/bin/gcc ecvt_test.c -o ecvt_test_libc5
 bash-2.00$ ldd ecvt_test_libc5
 libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5 (0x4000b000)
 bash-2.00$ ecvt_test_libc5
 result is 1234567, decpt is 4, sign is 0
 result is 9876543, decpt is 3, sign is 1
 result is 000, decpt is 0, sign is 0
 bash-2.00$ ecvt_test_libc6
 result is 11234.567, decpt is 4, sign is 0
 result is 9987.6543, decpt is 3, sign is 1
 result is 00.00, decpt is 1, sign is 0

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Re: svgalib

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 30 May 1997, Klaus Ethgen wrote:

> problem: If I start the game squake as user, I get the message:
> 
> svgalib: Cannot open /dev/console.
> Exit -1
> 
> If I start this game as root then everythink is ok. But I don't like to
> start any game as root. Also few weeks ago there was no problem.

This was done intentionally. You could make it suid again, but you
just said thast you don't want to run it as root. ;-)

>From the Changelog:

quake (1.06-5) frozen; urgency=high

  * A security hole is known in squake which could allow users to get root
if the program is installed suid. As a temporary fix until a fixed
version is available, squake is no longer installed suid.

 -- Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:50:06 -0400


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nameserver problems after 1.3 upgrade! HELP

[Brian K Servis]

HELP,

Here is the problem.  I upgraded to frozen from uiarchive.uiuc.edu
over the weekend.  I am having all kinds of network type problems now.
Everything upgraded ok with no real problems that couldn't be fixed
with a second run of install in dselect.  I am running on a stand
alone machine at home.  I use diald to dial in to the university and
run slirp and emulate ppp on my host widget.ecn.purdue.edu.  So I
don't have a constant connection to the net or a real hostname.  Now
when diald starts pppd it just hangs and diald times out.  I can't
ping my own local machine at all it says host is unknown.  I can't
print anything because lpr gives this error, "lpr: unable to get
official name for local machine".  Ping of my local machine returns a
host unknown.  Emacs takes forever to load because it is trying to
find the hostname. However hostname returns my fake machine name just
fine. dnsdomainname fails with "dnsdomainname: Host name lookup
failure".  When named starts it gives these errors in
/var/log/messages:

May 30 11:12:50 widget-servis named[12619]: starting.  named 4.9.5-REL Mon Apr 
28 20:39:58 MET DST 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/debian/bind/bind-4.9.5/named
May 30 11:12:50 widget-servis named[12619]: cache zone "" loaded (serial 0)
May 30 11:12:50 widget-servis named[12619]: primary zone "localhost" loaded 
(serial 1)
May 30 11:12:50 widget-servis named[12619]: primary zone "127.in-addr.arpa" 
loaded (serial 1)
May 30 11:12:50 widget-servis named[12620]: Ready to answer queries.
May 30 11:12:50 widget-servis named[12620]: sysquery: sendto([198.41.0.4].53): 
Network is unreachable

I didn't change any of the conf files for network related
programs... What is going on?

Here are some of the files which might be of help.

hostname:
widget-servis

resolv.conf:
domain ecn.purdue.edu
search widget.ecn.purdue.edu widget.ecn widget
nameserver 128.46.131.20
nameserver 128.46.131.20
nameserver 128.46.131.20

hosts:(harbor is the main dns at ecn.purdue.edu)
127.0.0.1   widget-servis.ecn.purdue.edu widget-servis 
loopback localhost
128.46.129.76   harbor.ecn.purdue.edu harbor harbor.ecn
[other common hosts snipped] 

Like I said this all worked just fine for 1.2 now I am having all
kinds of trouble after upgrade to 1.3. 

Any and all help needed.

Thanks,
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Re: ppp packet errors

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Robert D. Hilliard wrote:
> 
>  When ifconfig reports packet errors, does this mean errors that
> were caught and corrected, or does it mean errors that got through?

Note that the ifconfig output showed the packets as "dropped". Thus,
the packets didn't get through. ppp has a CRC checksum in every packet
so the chance of a corrupt packet getting through is very slim. TCP 
has it's own error checking, so you don't need to worry about errors.
 
>  On a different, but related, subject, does dselect check the
> md5sum of packages when installing?
> 

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Re: crypt

[Rick Jones]

On Tue, 27 May 1997, Nathan E Norman wrote:

> The crypt (1) algorithm is based on the German WWII era "Enigma" cipher
> - except that it's not as good.  It emulates an Enigma machine with one
> rotor.  I'll point out that the chaps at Bletchley Park cracked four
> rotor ciphers in the 1940s using mechanical computers.

During the war there was only one way to decypher anything created this
way.  You had to have the machine.  If these people where able to do it
then where were they during the war?

> If you need strong encryption, take a look at PGP, or one of the RSA
> offerings.  Or use DES (which is also available in source code, and
> should be available in Solaris)

These are not "strong" encryption methods.  The government and RSA want
you to think they are but the fact is they aren't.  I guarentee you the
government can make short work of these encryption methods.

> PS - Many people confuse the crypt (1) command with the crypt (3)
> function in libc, which is used to "encrypt" passwords.  It actually
> hashes them ... they cannot be "decrypted".

This is completely false.  I don't care what is done to a password.  If it
is constant and repeatable, as password's need to be, then it's only a
matter of time.  If the method is public knowledge as with the source code
to encrypt passwords, it can be decrypted in no time.

These are the only methods available because of restrictions.  They are by
no means strong, or decryption proof.  The whole idea is that not many are
going to go to the extremes it takes to actually break these things.

The military trains Military Intelligence soldiers to break codes up to 9
levels deep with pencil and paper.  DES is only 3 levels deep.  

The only thing DES is used for is very low class items.  They use DES to
encrypt their magnetic media after it's been wiped before it's ground up
with a grinder and shredded with metal shears, in a highly classified
environment.

I'm sure that many of you think I have no idea what I'm talking about.  I
wrote to RSA once and offered to help them come up with a better
encryption system than they have and they blew me off too.  I know because
I was in Military Intelligence for 6 years.  I was a trained cryptoanalyst
and dealt with crypto DAILY.  I dealt with the best crypto the government
has daily.

Anyone that doubts me when I say these encryption methods are like table
scraps the government allows us to use (possibly because they can break
them while having coffee) is a fool.  Flame me if you like.  I'll only
laugh at your ignorance and government brain-washing.

I have the knowledge and will spread it whenever possible because I know
what the government is doing when they regulate this stuff.  They want to
make sure that if they can't controle the internet they can at least know
what everyone is saying to each other.

Do you doubt me :-)

L8R,

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Re: mgetty & ppp

[Kevin Traas]

> On Wed, 28 May 1997, Kevin Traas wrote:
> 
> > This sounds like a device lock contention problem. Try using
> > /dev/ttyS1 for incoming (i.e. mgetty) and use /dev/cua1 for outgoing
> > (i.e. PPP).
> 
> NO!
> 
> Don't use cua devices for anything. They're obsolete and doing this will
> CAUSE locking problems if not used carefully. Trying to get cua & ttyS
> devices working together is a LOT more trouble than using ttyS devices
> with lockfiles.

Sorry about that.  After review, I realized my mistake  (Along with few
other similar "comments" from others.)   However, I have been doing this on
one of my systems in the past without problems 

My accumulated unix guru points took a real hit on that one 

Later,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper CA
http://www.eroper.bc.ca


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Re: drop dead?

[Bruce Perens]

SmartList will remove you if it gets too many bounces. Ask the list
manager Pete Templin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for help.

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Re: mgetty & ppp

[Kevin Traas]

> On Wed, 28 May 1997, Kevin Traas wrote:
> 
> > This sounds like a device lock contention problem. Try using
> > /dev/ttyS1 for incoming (i.e. mgetty) and use /dev/cua1 for outgoing
> > (i.e. PPP).
> 
> NO!
> 
> Don't use cua devices for anything. They're obsolete and doing this will
> CAUSE locking problems if not used carefully. Trying to get cua & ttyS
> devices working together is a LOT more trouble than using ttyS devices
> with lockfiles.

My apologies.  After review (and with "help" from a few others too.), I
recognise the "bad" information I've offered  However, I have been
doing this on one of my systems in the past without problems

My accumulated unix guru points took a real hit on that one 

Later,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper CA
http://www.eroper.bc.ca


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Re: couldn't get a free page

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Brandon Mitchell wrote:
> 
> Kernel 2.0.30 changed the way it handles memory.  It's supposed to be a
> stable kernel (by this I'm saying it's a 2.0.x and not a 2.1.x), but
> problems like this make me think it shouldn't be used in 1.3.  Could you
> try downgrading to 2.0.29 and let me (or the whole list) know if it works?
> 

I have two systems, P100 desktop w/ 32MB and P120 laptop w/ 32MB, 
(both have swap = 2 * mem). I get this from time to time when I run
squake, but I've never gotten it outside of this.

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minor debian 1.3 buglet, in fvwm2_2.0.45-BETA-4?

[John M. Rulnick]

Can anyone confirm the disappearance of window outlines (those that
appear during window placement) under fvwm2_2.0.45-BETA-4?  Restoring
2.0.43-BETA-0 fixes the problem for me.

If I get a confirmation I'll send a note to the maintainer or submit a
bug report as appropriate.  Apologies to all if this is a known problem.


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ps, pdf viewer

[Matthew Tebbens]

Can someone suggest a good PS or PDF viewer.

Debian has the GhostView and GV packages, but which does everyone like ?
>From reading the descriptions, GV looks better.

Matthew


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Re: drop dead?

[Pete Templin]

On Fri, 30 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've been experiencing sudden loss of subscription to this list. No warnings,
> nothing to indicate that the list might have a problem with delivering mail.
> One day I will have new mail from the list, the next day, nothing... and
> nothing afterwards. Has anyone else had this experience as well?

The mailing list server logs indicate that you were unsubscribed for
excessive bounces twice since the lists moved to debian.novare.net and
templinux.bucknell.edu.  Smartlist removes addresses if it gets a certain
number of bounce messages back.  Those bounce messages are usually the
result of misconfigured mail servers, faulty network links, etc.  If it
was having trouble delivering list mail, it stands to reason that it would
have trouble delivering the unsubscription message.

I've recently increased the threshold for unsubscription on debian-user
*only*.  With the most traffic of the debian lists, it's also the most
likely to suffer bounce removals.  I get copies of the 200-500 bounce
messages a day, so I'm fairly certain that *in general* the list server
isn't making things up.

If anyone finds themselves getting unsubscribed regularly, please contact
me and I'll dig through the logs for further information.

Pete

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Re: libc6 version 2.0.3-4 and ecvt

[Oleg Krivosheev]

On Fri, 30 May 1997, Douglas Bates wrote:

> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:05:16 -0500
> From: Douglas Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.DEBIAN.org
> Subject: libc6 version 2.0.3-4 and ecvt
> Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:03:58 +
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.DEBIAN.org
> Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ;
> 
> I have reported this as a bug in the libc6 package but I think it is
> important enough to warn people on this list also.  It appears that
> the ecvt function in libc6 version 2.0.3-4 is producing incorrect results.  

glibc 2.04 is out. Check std GNU sites.


OK



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Re: File version conflicts...

[Christian Hudon]

On May 30, Curt Howland wrote
> 
> Believe me, that was the first thing I thought of. Trouble
> is, ftp.debian.org is exactly where I'm getting it from.

Well, I just checked the version of libc5 and libc5-dev for every
distribution on ftp.debian.org and they match, so your problem is
elsewhere. You'll have to provide more information... what distributions
are you installing? Using dpkg-ftp or something else? etc. Maybe the
problem is caused by old files lying around under
/var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/debian...

  Christian

PS Please keep the cc to debian-user. Other people might have a better clue
as to the cause of your problem...


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fetch (leafnode) doesn't get anything

[Alexandre Lebrun]

I just tried leafnode, and by me fetch does'nt suck anything :(

I put my NNTP server in /etc/leafnode.conf,
ran fetch
ran tin : error
rtin with NNTPSERVER=myself ok : lists my newsgroups as empty
fetch : does nothing. ?
here is a transcript :

bash# fetch -v -v -v
verbosity level is 3
LIST ACTIVE done only 4482 seconds ago, skipping

The directories for the newsgroup exist and are empty.
in intesting.groups are empty files corresponding to the newsgroups.

What did I miss ?

Alexandre


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iBCS for kernel 2.0.30

[Mika Marjamäki]

Hi! Does anyone know, if there's a .deb-packet of iBCS that is compiled
for kernel 2.0.30? I've installed Debian 1.3 (frozen) from mirror at
ftp.funet.fi, and when i try to install iBCS i get this:

atuki_linux# modprobe iBCS
/lib/modules/misc/iBCS: kernel-module version mismatch
/lib/modules/misc/iBCS was compiled for kernel version 2.0.29-ISS
while this kernel is version 2.0.30.
atuki_linux#

If you know location of 2.0.30-iBCS, please mail me!

  Mika

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Re: File version conflicts...

[Curt Howland]

>On May 30, Curt Howland wrote
>> 
>> Believe me, that was the first thing I thought of. Trouble
>> is, ftp.debian.org is exactly where I'm getting it from.

In reply to 30 May message from "Christian Hudon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Well, I just checked the version of libc5 and libc5-dev for every distribution 
>on
>ftp.debian.org and they match, so your problem is elsewhere. You'll have to
>provide more information... what distributions are you installing? Using 
>dpkg-ftp
>or something else? etc. Maybe the problem is caused by old files lying around
>under
>/var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/debian...

>  Christian

>PS Please keep the cc to debian-user. Other people might have a better clue as 
>to
>the cause of your problem...

Ok, I'll be as specific as I can...

I installed from 1.44M floppies the images from /stable/i386/May-20-1997/
Using "dselect" that came on the system, and whatever may have been
downloaded and installed in the 4 times I've run "dselect". I agree, it's
a strange error to be getting. 

The first time I ran "dselect", I got stuck in a "conflict" loop, and 
just quit. after that, I used "Q" to move on to the download and
install, and received the version conflict errors. Most things seem
to be working anyway, except for the life of me I can't get "man" to 
work. No matter what I do in "dselect", "bash: man: command not found"

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exim and virtual domains

[Tim Sailer]

I know there are a few of you Debian users running exim for a MTA.
I need some help in getting virtual domains running the way I want.
What do I need to do to make the following alias file work?

info:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I set up the virtual stuff right out of the manual, but the mail
dies with 'too many hops'..

Tim

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PPP,Samba and Linux

[Marc D. Jones]

Does anyone know how to setup linux so that when a Win95 machine dials in you can see the linux and any other Irix, Unix, or other machines in the Workgroup.Right now we've been able to dial in to the debian sys and in turn go out to the ISP and access the web.  I am able to ping all machines on my LAN, including the PPP server (which I am dialed into).the "ifconfig" looks correct in that there are two connections.the "route -n" looks proper with the remote IP being forwarded from the ppp/options.ttyS2All I need is to be able to "see" the Debian and another Win95 machine (which is properly mounted with smbmount)from a dial up machine using mgetty.Any ideas 'cause I'm about out of 'em.Marc D. Jones

Re: minor debian 1.3 buglet, in fvwm2_2.0.45-BETA-4?

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 30 May 1997, John M. Rulnick wrote:

> Can anyone confirm the disappearance of window outlines (those that
> appear during window placement) under fvwm2_2.0.45-BETA-4?  Restoring
> 2.0.43-BETA-0 fixes the problem for me.
> 
> If I get a confirmation I'll send a note to the maintainer or submit a
> bug report as appropriate.  Apologies to all if this is a known problem.

The default for XORvalue changed, that's all. The following in my
~./fvwm2rc works for me. Try different values. See the man page.

XORvalue 32767



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rcp with root?

[Carlo U. Segre]

Hello All:

I just finished upgrading our Debian cluster to the frozen distribution
and now the mechanism we used for synchronizing important system files is
no longer working.  With the previous setup we used the rcp command as
root to copy passwd files and system.fvwmrc files to all of the machines
in the cluster from the master.  The authentication was through the
.rhosts file in the /root directory.

The .rhosts file seems to be still there and OK.  I can still rlogin
between machines using my personal user account, but any attempt to use
rcp as root results in a response: 'permission denied'.  

Is this a new security feature?  Is it possible to switch it off?  

Thanks in advance,

Carlo



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Re: rcp with root?

[Carlo U. Segre]

Upon a more careful observation of the new man page for rshd (I can't
imagine how I failed to see it except that the option was buried in the
paragraph and not on the left margin where it is visible) I noticed that
using the -h option for rshd will re-enable the feature allowing rcp as
root.

Sorry for wasting bandwidth :)

Carlo


On Fri, 30 May 1997, Carlo U. Segre wrote:

> Hello All:
> 
> I just finished upgrading our Debian cluster to the frozen distribution
> and now the mechanism we used for synchronizing important system files is
> no longer working.  With the previous setup we used the rcp command as
> root to copy passwd files and system.fvwmrc files to all of the machines
> in the cluster from the master.  The authentication was through the
> .rhosts file in the /root directory.
> 
> The .rhosts file seems to be still there and OK.  I can still rlogin
> between machines using my personal user account, but any attempt to use
> rcp as root results in a response: 'permission denied'.  
> 
> Is this a new security feature?  Is it possible to switch it off?  
> 



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Re: exim and virtual domains

[Behan Webster]

Tim Sailer wrote:
> I know there are a few of you Debian users running exim for a MTA.
> I need some help in getting virtual domains running the way I want.
> What do I need to do to make the following alias file work?
> 
> info:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I set up the virtual stuff right out of the manual, but the mail
> dies with 'too many hops'..

Since the way in the manual didn't seem to address the particular
needs of our site, I made up my own setup.

Amongst other things it has an alias file per virtual domain and
easily supports multidrop mailboxes which is what we needed.

You are welcome to this setup if you wish.  It currently uses
procmail to deliver mail, but it can be easily changed to not
use procmail if you wish.  I also run exim as a daemon instead
of out of inetd.conf.  (Just edit /etc/init.d/exim to change this)

In the following files, just change "YOUR.DOMAIN" in /etc/exim.conf
to the real domain of your computer (what domain you want outgoing
mail to come from) and then just edit /etc/mail/domains.  For every
domain you add to this file, make sure there is an alias file in
/etc/mail/aliases of the same name as the domain.  Make sure the
alias file is readable by the userid under which exim runs.

I hope this helps!

Behan

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Re: crypt

[Vadim Vygonets]

Ok, first I'd like to say, that although I know Rabin and Shamir (the
R and S from RSA, not the Israeli prime ministers) personally, I have
no clue in cryptography, and I do respect what Rick says, but...  But.

On Fri, 30 May 1997, Rick Jones wrote:

> These are not "strong" encryption methods.  The government and RSA want
> you to think they are but the fact is they aren't.  I guarentee you the
> government can make short work of these encryption methods.

[...]

> This is completely false.  I don't care what is done to a password.  If it
> is constant and repeatable, as password's need to be, then it's only a
> matter of time.  If the method ispublic knowledge as with the source code
> to encrypt passwords, it can be decrypted in no time.

Well, the question I have to you is a logical one: if you say that the
Unix password crypting method and even RSAREF are weak encryption
methods, then why doesn't anyone actually say it in public?  Do we
have so few cryptologists on the Net?  I was sure that the only method
to decrtypt Unix passwords is to use the method that the crack program
uses -- to try each and every one of them.  But, as far as I
understood you, you are saying that there is a possibility to do it
with crypto-analysis.  Then, why haven't anyone done it until now?
And do you know people who can do it?

> These are the only methods available because of restrictions.  They are by
> no means strong, or decryption proof.  The whole idea is that not many are
> going to go to the extremes it takes to actually break these things.

Which restrictions?  USA is not the only country (and even not the
only country with smart people) in this world, so how can one
government control the Net?

> Anyone that doubts me when I say these encryption methods are like table
> scraps the government allows us to use (possibly because they can break
> them while having coffee) is a fool.  Flame me if you like.  I'll only
> laugh at your ignorance and government brain-washing.

Just a second, I am in Israel, people on this list are in Ireland,
Jamaica and Brasil, so what have we got to do with _your_ government?
I'm allowed to use any encryption system I can get.  And yes, please
explain me that bit about Zimmerman's case in FBA -- what does it
worth if PGP is so weak?

> I have the knowledge and will spread it whenever possible because I know
> what the government is doing when they regulate this stuff.  They want to
> make sure that if they can't controle the internet they can at least know
> what everyone is saying to each other.

Huh, the Net is too big even to auto-scan it all.  Again, can USA
control the line between Israel and Finland, which goes through
Switzerland (as far as I remember)?

> Do you doubt me :-)

I respect you, but I doubt you.

Vadik.

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