Re: Bug in date (1.1)
Yves Arrouye writes: Yves> I can't find the name of the package maintainer, so here's the Yves> problem: when the timezone is incorrectly set (the default in my 1.1 Yves> brand new installation), saying Yves> Yves> % date +%Z Yves> Yves> does something bad: instead of returning an empty timezone (as if I Yves> say "date '+%H %Z'" which works perfectly), the disk starts spinning Yves> and date does not return until it is killed. Works for me (note the ' around the call): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/progs/knn> date '+%Z' EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/progs/knn> dpkg -s shellutils Package: shellutils Essential: yes Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: base Maintainer: David P. Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Version: 1.12-5 Pre-Depends: libc5 (>=5.2.18-1) Description: The GNU shell programming utilities. -- Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
On Thu, 9 May 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:
> The subject says it: none of these keys work with Motif apps on a
> fresh installation. I'm sure some xmodmap commands (though I'm not
> sure which ones, if you can help) would do the trick, but I wonder
> what neither of them is usable by default?
Blame it on XFree. They switched the Backspace and Delete keysyms around.
Not the best thing to do, in my not-so-humble opinion. The problem isn't
with X-based apps, where there's enough info to distinguish between all the
keys. The problem is with terminal-based apps, which only see special keys
through control codes.
Yes, xmodmap will fix it. You need to swap back Backspace and Delete. The
magic incantation goes like this
xmodmap -e "keysym BackSpace = Delete" -e "keysym Delete = BackSpace"
Then add the following in your /etc/X11/Xresources file to make
terminal-based apps happy:
XTerm.vt100.translations: #override \
Delete: string("ESC[3~")\n\
BackSpace: string(0x7F)
(You need to enter a literal 'Escape' where the ESC is.)
Then all should be fine, assuming you're running with stty erase = "^?". I
very much recommends reading the Key-Setup mini-HOWTO if you want to know
more about that kind of stuff... (Like how to make bash/tcsh recognize the
Delete key, etc.)
Christian
Re: Pb. with 1.1's telinit (sysvinit 2.60)
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yves Arrouye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >When issuing a telinit command to change runlevel (from 2 to 4, for >example), nothing happens :-(, processes are not being sent any signal >and new processes don't start. Why? I don't know. I have tested it on a range of Linux systems and 2.60 works fine, including changing runlevels. Perhaps it is a problem with your setup? Is "telinit" a link to "init" (it should be, otherwise you're running something else then telinit). >I heard about a 2.70 sysvinit package on this list. Is it debianized >somewhere? No, 2.60 is the latest. Unless I have been programming in my sleep again.. Mike. -- + Miquel van Smoorenburg + Cistron Internet Services + Living is a | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SP6) | Independent Dutch ISP | horizontal | + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.cistron.nl/+ fall+
Re: Checking if the network is up
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: > The question is: > > Is there any way of checking whether the network is responding so that I only > run popclient when it is? I wrote a series of scripts to handle this (however a virus infected my partition table - am still re-installing), basically it involved creating a lock file when the network is up (in the ppp-connect script), and removing it in the ppp-off script. Then just check if the file is there in the popclient script. If you want my scripts I'll mail them to you once I finish re-installing. -- Run.exe First Law of the Universe: No law applies to ALL of the Universe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntplx.net/~runexe/ Finger me for PGP key
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
> "K" == "Keith Beattie[SFSU Student]" writes: K> I don't think there is a .deb package for it but it compiled "out K> of the box" for me. FYI: Actually, there is a debian package for xkeycaps. -- Rob
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
> "G" == Gerry Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: G> It's interesting that people are having problems now with Motif G> apps, because suddenly, my problems with Motif apps have been G> magically solved. That is, the backspace key now works correctly G> for both Motif and non-Motif apps. Previously, if I wanted the G> backspace key to work correctly with Motif apps, I would have to G> map it to backspace (where the default was mapped to delete). But, I've always had some magic in my Xdefaults for Motif. *XmText.translations: #override\n\ osfDelete: delete-previous-character() *XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ osfDelete: delete-previous-character() Without this, things were kind of screwy. I've never investigated what it does or if I still need it. Someone just told me when I was getting started with Linux, "You need this in your Xdefaults for Motif." so I added it and went on. -- Rob
Re: Checking if the network is up
> Is there any way of checking whether the network is responding so that I > only run popclient when it is? Try using `fping' on your network gateway host. e.g.: if fping -q $GWHOST then popclient ... fi Or, if you prefer compactness (also good for crontabs): fping -q $GWHOST && popclient ... Substituting $GWHOST with the name/address of your gateway, of course. Better yet, substitute the name of your POP server. -- Robert Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
Guy Maor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 9 May 1996 20:44: >! Shouldn't be necessary >keycode 107 = Delete This is useless for me. I keep getting ESC[3~ when I type delete. With the latest ncurses libs I still have to use stty erase ^H to be able to erase when I type backspace. xbase-3.1.2-8.deb comes with this default Xresources entry: ! Fix Motif client handling of backspace/delete ! *XmText.translations: #override\n\ osfDelete: delete-previous-character() *XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ osfDelete: delete-previous-character() It's not necessary if you use the xmodmap entry keycode 22 = BackSpace, at least not in .99R6. I didn't try removing the translations above in 1.1 to check if it's still enough. One odd problem is that for another user the backspace doesn't erase in netscape, but it does for me :-( Carlos
Re: Checking if the network is up
Luis> Is there any way of checking whether the network is responding so Luis> that I only run popclient when it is? Here's my crontab entry. Every 5 minutes, fping tests whether we can connect to the pop hosts. In case we are, popclient is called with the account password on rosebud being stored in ~/.rosebud. */5 * * * * fping -q rosebud && popclient -s -3 -P ~/.rosebud rosebud -- Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
Re: 1.1 installation notes.
> From: Steve Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: 1.1 installation notes. > > ... > > One trouble is that I find the dselect "Select" screen confusing. > Admittedly, It is not immediately obvious to me which line is the > "selection". Also I was surprised, the first time I used dselect, to > see each section (admin, doc, text, etc.) show up multiple times. > > I would prefer not starting in a split-screen mode here. > > Another trouble was when dselect throws you into its > conflict/dependency sublists. I was afraid to hit 'Enter' (to get > back to the main package list), for fear it would end the whole > package selection process. Of course, I didn't know that I could go > back to the "Select" screen even if I did accidentally leave it. > > ... > -- > Steve Preston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I do agree with steve about the confusion that raise from those two screens of dselect. I recently installed debian 1.1 and never had installed any debian before and I would not have been able to set up my system without my technical linux knowledge. I had to use the dpkg command interface to reach my system requirements. For example, one of the basics X package need cpp, and I had already installed gcc so I didn't want to install the cpp package, I was not able to do it with dselect. I thought that the debian installation should be easy to carry out by almost anybody. I have to say that in my opinion, up to now, it's not true. The documentation should also point out what package you need to get to set up what you want. When you want to set up X11 how do you easily know every package that you need to have before dselect or dpkg tells you he needs the package '..deb' that it can't find ? I hope those points may help to build an easier debian set up process. Romuald du Song ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Checking if the network is up
> Hi, > I am trying to write a script to use popclient to download the mail from > the office's server. This will run on a portable. I want the script to > check whether the network is up before attempting to retrieve any mail, > as I am likely to use the notebook in other places and won't be hooked > to the network. > > The question is: > > Is there any way of checking whether the network is responding so that I > only run popclient when it is? Yes, there are probably a number of ways. You could check the output of netstat -r for a default route (something like "[ `netstat -rn | grep '^0\.0\.0\.0' | wc --lines` = 0 ] || popclient...", although there is probably an easier way to do that) I have set it up so that on my system, bringing up my PPP connection automatically creates a "/var/lock/ip-is-up", and bringing it down deletes that file. Since I only have a single net connection, this works. For multiple net connetions, some modification might have to be done. There are probably others, but I don't know them offhand. One final note: I don't use a lap-top, but my computer is also not connected to the internet fulltime. However, I run two popclients every 5 minutes via a cron entry. I've decided that I don't need to have then even check for the net connection first. Since popclient aborts very quickly when it can't establish a connection, I don't even notice that i have them running. Will this not work for you, too? > > Thanks. > Luis. > -- Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] "She was infatuated with their male prostitutes, whose members were like those of donkeys and whose seed came in floods like that of stallions." -- Ezekiel 23:20
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Martin Konold wrote: > I did a ln -s /usr/X11R6 /usr/X386 > in order to get the motif application netscape running. > This way it will find the > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB > for wihich netscape looks at > /usr/X386/lib/X11/XKeysymDB That's a really gross solution. Here's a very clean way to get netscape to work: 1. Unpack the entire netscape tar.gz in /usr/local/lib/netscape 2. Use this file as /usr/local/bin/netscape: ---cut--- #!/bin/sh XNLSPATH=/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls XKEYSYMDB=/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB export XNLSPATH XKEYSYMDB exec /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape $* ---cut--- chmod 755 it of course. Guy
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Martin Konold wrote: > I did a ln -s /usr/X11R6 /usr/X386 > in order to get the motif application netscape running. > This way it will find the > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB > for wihich netscape looks at > /usr/X386/lib/X11/XKeysymDB > > May the debian team will include this symlink in the xbase package No, this symlink won't be included in the xbase package. It is a nasty hack. Instead, the Netscape installation should arrange for environment variables to make Netscape look in the right place for its files. Steve Early [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Checking if the network is up
> I just have my ip-up script (it's a ppp config script, see man pppd) > touch a file in /usr/local/etc/ppp when I connect, and ip-down remove > the file when I disconnect. Then I can just check for the existence > of that file, and know if I'm connected. Alternatively, you could doesn't work if the connection is dropped by a bad line or such things. Maarten ___ | Maarten Boekhold, Faculty of Electrical Engineering TU Delft, NL | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Take life as a party! | ---
Re: Checking if the network is up
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: > The question is: > > Is there any way of checking whether the network is responding so that I only > run popclient when it is? Try this: #!/bin/sh #Change ppp0 to the network device (eth0, etc.) DEVICE=ppp0 if [ -r /var/run/$DEVICE.pid ]; then popclient mail.myisp.com fi -- Run.exe First Law of the Universe: No law applies to ALL of the Universe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntplx.net/~runexe/ Finger me for PGP key
Re: News
**Dans l'article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ** Rob Ransbottom (Rob Ransbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) écrivait: RR>With the installation of 1.1, I would like to RR>set up a news server to serve myself news which RR>which will be snagged by 'suck' or equivalent. RR> RR>What package should I be installing? Any RR>other tips appreciated. (I've stretched my RR>knowledge of bnews far enough.) You must install inn debian package. Suck is not yet debianized... but i think i'll make a package soon because i still use inn+suck ( with no problem!)... -- Christophe Le Bars - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01001GNU00110ESPERANTO010011DEBIAN0LINUX01001010111001
ftp-ing
Hi, If I want to ftp something onto my home computer (via a ppp link over my modem to my university), I currently have two options available to me. I can use a two step process: first ftp the stuff from the site in question to my account at university, then ftp (I use ncftp) the stuff from uni to my home machine. Alternatively I can use netscape to ftp stuff directly from the site of origin to my home computer. Question: is it possible to ftp (or ncftp) stuff directly from the site of origin to your home computer in a single step (like netscape allows you to)? If so, how? Thanks for your help, Mark Phillips ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dselect proposed interface (was Re: 1.1 installation notes.)
> All of the '012..9' keystrokes would move the scrollboxes as if you were > pressing an arrow. Looks OK (we can include a mouse interface). But what is required more then a new look is the ability to list only the 'installed' packages, or select a singe package to be installed/removed, and a method of seeing which package (installed) is older than its archive version (and will therefore be updated). Greetings bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],ka.sub.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +4972573817 *plush* (OO) If privacy is outlawed only Outlaws have privacy
Re: problems with nis
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dale Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am trying to use the nis package in debian. I have it >setup as a master. When I boot up my system I get the >following message. >YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: No bound server for domain Chipper >Once I have finished the boot if I do a ypcat hosts >the sae message appears. If I then start a ppp link >the message goes away and everything is fine. It sounds as if you don't have an ethernet card or a network. NIS needs a network interface to be "happy", or so it seems. It should work over the loopback interface but I've never tried that. Mike. -- + Miquel van Smoorenburg + Cistron Internet Services + Living is a | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SP6) | Independent Dutch ISP | horizontal | + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.cistron.nl/+ fall+
__NR_sysinfo while building dpkg-1.1.5 (on 1.1 beta)
While compiling dpkg, the configure scripts says: checking for sysinfo... no checking __NR_sysinfo... yes; tsk tsk - get your libc fixed. So what I am supposed to do? I thought I had the most recent possible installation ;-) Thanks for any advice, Yves.
Re: 1.1 installation notes.
On Fri, 10 May 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > For example, one of the basics X package need cpp, and I had already > installed gcc so I didn't want to install the cpp package, I was not > able to do it with dselect. Actually that was a bug that's since been fixed. Guy
Re: Checking if the network is up
Hello, > It does if you also have these set. > > lcp-echo-interval > lcp-echo-failure > > Actually, I think hardware handshaking should handle the problem, but > it doesn't always seem to (grrr). Actually if your modem is configured correctly (CD drop on Carrier loss &C1), and if the pppd is given the option "modem" the Process will hangup if the line goes down. This is not the actual hardware handshake, but on of the RS232 signals. # modem Use the modem control lines. This option is the # default. With this option, pppd will wait for the # CD (Carrier Detect) signal from the modem to be # asserted when opening the serial device (unless a # connect script is specified), and it will drop the # DTR (Data Terminal Ready) signal briefly when the # connection is terminated and before executing the # connect script. On Ultrix, this option implies # hardware flow control, as for the crtscts option. Hangup on DTR dropping should be configured, too (&D2). Greetings Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],ka.sub.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +4972573817 *plush* (OO) If privacy is outlawed only Outlaws have privacy
Re: Sendmail Log
>> I'm not sure I understand the situation. Can you provide an excerpt of your >> sendmail log where this has occurred? > > I guess the receive lines are logged from the stand-alone SMTP-Server to a > rotated logfile, the delivery-requests are logged into the correct one by > runq. Think there is a kill -HUP missing in the savelog for sendmail? (Dont > know, I prefer smail). Sendmail logs messages via syslog. By default, I believe syslog routes mail.* messages to /var/log/daemon.log, and this is rotated weekly by /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd. If you've changed your syslog configuration, you'll have to do something about rotation yourself. I'm not sure what you're referring to by `runq'. -- Robert Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/papersize?
> > Could someone email a sample /etc/papersize file on this list? > > Yves. > If you usually want "a4" sized paper, then /etc/papersize will simply contain the two characters "a" and "4". If you like us letter format better, the /etc/papersize file will be much more complicated, as it then has to contain the six letters "l", "e", "t", "t", "e", and "r". BTW, gs will recognice much more than these to (about 30 or so), but I guess "a4" and "letter" are the only two that all packages that use /etc/papersize recognise. -- joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Use Debian Linux!
How to 'tset'
Am I missing something? I don't see a tset, but I have all of the standard packages for Debian 0.93R6. Should I be using something else instead? Thanks! Ben -- Ben Armstrong -. Medianet Development Group, [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-.Dymaxion Research Limited http://www.dymaxion.ns.ca/>`- Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: ftp-ing
Hi, I'm afraid I can't reproduce this behaviour (downloading patch-100.gz from europe as I speak). _Why_ can't you just download to your machine directly? What are the error messages? If you are interested in troubleshooting this yourself, it maybe interesting to look at how your ppp is setup. do you have a permanent ip, or is it dynamically specified? (I have a remotely-specified dynamic ip address, and connect to a dynamically assigned server ip, so that ftp should work for even dynamic ip's) manoj -- "Reliable software must kill people reliably." -- Andy Mickel %% Manoj Srivastava Systems Research Programmer, Project Pilgrim, Phone: (413) 545-3918A143B Lederle Graduate Research Center, Fax: (413) 545-1249 University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/%7Esrivasta/>
Re: Sendmail Log
Hello, > I'm not sure I understand the situation. Can you provide an excerpt of your > sendmail log where this has occurred? I guess the receive lines are logged from the stand-alone SMTP-Server to a rotated logfile, the delivery-requests are logged into the correct one by runq. Think there is a kill -HUP missing in the savelog for sendmail? (Dont know, I prefer smail). Gruss Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],ka.sub.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +4972573817 *plush* (OO) If privacy is outlawed only Outlaws have privacy
Re: Checking if the network is up
> "e" == eckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: e> Actually if your modem is configured correctly (CD drop on Carrier e> loss &C1), and if the pppd is given the option "modem" the Process e> will hangup if the line goes down. This is not the actual hardware e> handshake, but on of the RS232 signals. Right, I have this set up, but I still got somewhat flaky behavior. I haven't tested it again recently, but I think it might be my modem. I have one of the internal Sportsters (an older one of the 28.8 flavor), and I had heard some rumbling about problems with those. I'm going to get a modem ROM upgrade soon. Maybe that'll fix it. Thanks -- Rob
Re: Checking if the network is up
> "M" == Maarten Boekhold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I just have my ip-up script (it's a ppp config script, see man >> pppd) touch a file in /usr/local/etc/ppp when I connect, and >> ip-down remove the file when I disconnect. Then I can just check >> for the existence of that file, and know if I'm connected. >> Alternatively, you could M> doesn't work if the connection is dropped by a bad line or such M> things. It does if you also have these set. lcp-echo-interval lcp-echo-failure Actually, I think hardware handshaking should handle the problem, but it doesn't always seem to (grrr). -- Rob
Re: Sendmail Log
> Just a quick question. I was looking through the log for sendmail this > afternoon and noticed that it stopped recording where mail was comming > from and only recording who the mail is for. > > What is causing this to happen ? and how can I get it to record who the > mail is from and who it is to. I'm not sure I understand the situation. Can you provide an excerpt of your sendmail log where this has occurred? Sendmail normally logs mail transfers as a two-line event, the first line indicating the sender and source statistics, and the next line indicating the destination and delivery status. These two lines can be separated, unfortunately, by other syslog events. But I don't have any idea yet what would cause sendmail to log one but not the other... -- Robert Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supra 288i Sp Modem
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Shawn Asmussen wrote: > Well, I have a Supra 288i modem although it's not speakerphone. I think > the problem with plug and play stuff is that it's kind of undefined until > the operating system tells it what irq and port to use. I also have dos > and windows (Not Win95) on my system, and I first boot into dos to let > the dos device driver that came with the modem to set the port and irq (I > used other software that came with it to force it to pick the io port and > irq that I wanted it to use), and then once I get a dos prompt, I > control-alt-delete and go into linux with lilo, and the modem keeps the > values that it's been set with, and works under linux. I've had similar problems, and solved them using Loadlin. That way you can load the drivers (and have a choice of OS) with the dos config.sys and autoexec.bat (using a config.sys menu for selecting a configuration or OS). Loadlin runs when ordered to by autoexec.bat, and does a `logical reload,' clearing memory and booting Linux as usual. The advantages: 1) No need for a ctrl-alt-del as part of your boot 2) Loadlin is safer and easier to use than Lilo # [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Steven Bolt # popular science monthly KIJK #
help with ppp
Hi, I seem to have a double problem to use ppp. 1) If I try pppd as a normal user, I get an error that I miss write access, and pppd exits immediately. This should be easy... 2) (tougher) If I try as a superuser, I can connect, ping, etc... But if I try to telnet certain addresses (nearly local ones), I get the following curious message: kernel: Problem: block on freelist at 0062a808 isn't free. This gets repeated at the frightening rate of growing the /var/log/messages file 0.5Mb/minute or so... This might be related to a message I see at boot time: (out of memory: this does not get written anywhere...) IOCADDR error no such device Any idea? Thanks! Amities, Jean Orloff + + + + + + + + ++ +Tel:(33)50.09.16.75 Fax:(33)50.09.94.95 http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+ + + + + + + + + ++ "A pedestrian hit me and went under my car." True accident report, from the Toronto News on July 26, 1977. + + + + + + + + +
Sendmail Log
Hi, Just a quick question. I was looking through the log for sendmail this afternoon and noticed that it stopped recording where mail was comming from and only recording who the mail is for. What is causing this to happen ? and how can I get it to record who the mail is from and who it is to. Regards, Andrew =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= andrew stephenPost Office Box 299 E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]Gosnells, 6110 Web: http://byteline.com.au Western Australia =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dselect proposed interface (was Re: 1.1 installation notes.)
On Fri, 10 May 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: Steve Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: 1.1 installation notes. > > > > ... > > > > One trouble is that I find the dselect "Select" screen confusing. > > Admittedly, It is not immediately obvious to me which line is the > > "selection". Also I was surprised, the first time I used dselect, to > > see each section (admin, doc, text, etc.) show up multiple times. > > > > I would prefer not starting in a split-screen mode here. > > > > Another trouble was when dselect throws you into its > > conflict/dependency sublists. I was afraid to hit 'Enter' (to get > > back to the main package list), for fear it would end the whole > > package selection process. Of course, I didn't know that I could go > > back to the "Select" screen even if I did accidentally leave it. Thinking about the dselect interface... What we need is a simpler job, yes power is nice, by the word here is interface, and we want an interface that any 'dos' user can understand. This is just a concept mockup -- it should be larger, not be made of ascii, etc. +-+ | GNU Emacs -- v1.0.3-2 |1| Package: X.XX MB Installed: X.XX |3| | | The extensible self documenting |#| Installed but not configured. |#| | text editor | | Requires: (name1), (name2)| | | | | Conflicts: (name3)| | | | | Suggests: (none) | | | | | Provides: (editor)| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_|2|___|4| |5< admin base comm devel doc [editor] electronics ham mail ... >6| |-+ +--+-Installed-+-| | Important Editor: | |7| | ed -- The classic Unix line editor | Yes | | | nvi -- 4.4BSD Reimplementation of vi | No | | | Standard Editor: | |#| +--> Emacs -- The GNU Emacs Editor.| Partial | | | Optional Editor: | | | | elisp-manual -- Emacs Lisp Reference Manual | | | | elv-vi -- elvis, vi, view, input - The editor | |8| +---+-+ |9< (+)Add package (H) General Help (D) Done (save results) >0| |9< (-)Remove package (C) Command Help (Q) Quit (without saving)>0| +-+ All of the '012..9' keystrokes would move the scrollboxes as if you were pressing an arrow. All of the keystroke commands could be listed in a box at the bottom with a scrollbar, the sections likewise in the middle. (shift could scroll bigger stuff a page at a time.) Just bang on the buttons and you scroll it... We can have all the letter commands we want and document as much as we want. I know it looks comical, but anyone who saw this would be able to grasp it -instantly-, leaving them to worry about more important things. The dpkg --info text blurb should is in the upper left hand block, and all the size/depends/status stuff can be in the upper right, including the (hold/installed/old/selection) status which is also given a one-word summary next to the package-name scrollbox in the center. Sections listed in the center, of course change the order with 'o' or whatever, but that can be dealt with later. The current dselect screen isn't bad -- it's efficient, etc. But it is too 'unix' ... which is to say, you're expected to think. At this stage the first time user has ~ 400 packages to deal with. All the power in the world can be hidden _just_below_ the surface, but the steering wheel and brakes have to be easy to find. Also someone suggested there be an installed size parameter in the packages file... this probably wouldn't be a bad idea. [EMAIL PROTECTED] So you think you know the real meaning of fear? Yeah, you think you do know, but I doubt it. When you sit in a shelter with bombs falling all over. And the houses around you are burning like torches. I agree that you experience horror and fright For such moments are dreadful, for as long as they last, But the all-clear sounds--then it's okay-- | -- Ilya Selvinskiy You take a deep breath, the stress has passed by. | (Taken from "The Sum But real fear is a stone deep down in your chest. | of All Fears" by You hear me? A stone. That's what it is, no more
Re: Locale in 1.1?
Yves Arrouye writes: > The fact that nvi (does not) displays diacritic characters has nothing > to do with the fonts, just to what isprint() returns. I had it work > under Linux using a Slackware 3.0 distribution. Plain Slackware? I thought my Slackware would do that too until I discoverd that tcsh in Slackware is ocmpiled to simulate NLS. > typing diacritic characters tells they are not printable with LANG set > to ISO-8859-1 :-( Is it a bug in the libc5 used with 1.1? A bug with > me? In any case, it's annoying... It's not a bug. You simply don't have the locale installed. It works fine for me since I installed the Gemrman NLS. Michael -- Michael Meskes |_ __ | / ___// / // / / __ \___ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | \__ \/ /_ / // /_/ /_/ / _ \/ ___/ ___/ | ___/ / __/ /__ __/\__, / __/ / (__ ) Use Debian Linux!| //_/ /_/ //\___/_/ //
