Just noticed that this didn't get sent to the lists. Guess this leaves
one design in two different colors (#6 and #7). I don't have a strong
preference between the two.
--Adam
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Datum: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:53:21 -0700
Von: David Mertz
An: Adam , Paul Wise , Yaroslav
Halchenko
Cc: David Mertz , psf-trademarks
Betreff: Re: [psf-trademarks] [PSF-Board] may be a logo?
> Dear Debian developers/designers,
>
> Unfortunately, after discussing it on the Python Software Foundation
> Trademarks Committee, our unanimous opinion is that the use of the Python
> logo as a tiled/distorted "fill" element for a larger Debian design is
> dilutive and contrary to our trademark usage policy.
>
> In general, use of the Python logo should retain the shape intact, and where
> possible the colors (but this latter is more flexible). Typically designs
> that incorporate it have juxtaposed the Python logo next to some other shape
> and/or words to indicate that connection of the two things, but radical
> alteration of the shape infringes our trademark, and our need for due
> diligence in enforcement.
>
> It is outside our scope to determine this, but one Trademarks Committee
> member opined that this derivation was also a violation of Debian's trademark
> rules, so you may wish to examine those anew as well in designing a different
> composite logo.
>
> Yours, David Mertz
> Chair, PSF Trademarks Committee
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:42 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
> > See my reply to Adam below.
> >
> > I don't think we should approve using the Python Logo as texture
> > for another logo.
> >
> >
> > Original Message
> > Subject: Re: [PSF-Board] may be a logo?
> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:40:20 +0200
> > From: M.-A. Lemburg
> > Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH; http://www.egenix.com/
> > To: Adam
> > CC: debian-python@lists.debian.org, Paul Wise ,
> > p...@python.org, python-apps-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> >
> > Adam wrote:
> >> Paul Wise wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> Do we have a logo for our Python-In-Debian effort(s) (was needing one
> for a recent talk but failed to deliver in time)? What about
> having one? I am not a designer and possibly lacking any taste, so
> please do not judge wildly. What would be your choice among the
> following 6:
>
> http://www.onerussian.com/tmp/pydebian-red_tuned/
>
> ? choice 0 == do not like any
> >>
> >> Very nice logos. I favour #2.
> >>
> >> An alternative suggestion is #6 in the colors blue and yellow (let's
> >> call it #6by). It is attached (changes done with Gimp's fill tool).
> >>
> >>> I wonder if that is an allowed use of the Python trademark though.
> >>>
> >>> A similar combination of the GNOME foot and the Debian logo is
> >>> apparently not allowed:
> >>>
> >>> http://lists.debian.org/1309267090.5023.15.ca...@novo.hadess.net
> >>
> >> The Python Trademark Policy¹ states under "Derived Logos":
> >>
> >> | * Derived logos must always be sufficiently different from the Python
> >> | logos to allow the community to tell the difference. For example, if
> >> you | want to create a derived logo for a local Python user group, you
> >> might | be able to insert an unaltered Python logo graphic into the local
> >> | group's name in a way that does not cause confusion. But confusingly
> >> | similar derived logos are not allowed. This includes entwining Python
> >> | logos with other logos, or connecting them together in a confusing
> >> | manner. Logos that simply change the colors or fonts are not allowed.
> >> |
> >> | * […]
> >> |
> >> | * Use of derived logos for user groups and conferences -- Allowed if
> >> | used to refer to the Python programming language.
> >>
> >> So all logos should be fine. CCing the python-foundation so they correct
> >> me if needed (and FYI).
> >
> > I'll forward this to the PSF trademark committee.
> >
> > FWIW: Your logo suggestions mix the Debian Logo with the Python
> > one and change its shape. We generally prefer to have the logo
> > used unaltered when combined with other logos, e.g. you could
> > put the Python logo centered and on top of the Debian one.
> >
> > --
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