Re: list of package for python_support -> dh_python2 ?
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 23:34, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 20:06 +, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:05, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> > [Barry Warsaw, 2011-06-09] >> >> What is the process for deprecating python-support? Who makes that >> >> decision? >> > >> > I'd ask Joss, Sandro and Jakub what they think first (if they still >> > don't think it's a good idea, it'll never happen) >> >> Do what you (plural) want, I don't care. > > You sound unhappy. What's up? Could you please stop acting like this, seeing feelings everywhere in our mls? It diverges attention from the technical matters at hand, adding no value to the discussion. It has also already been pointed out on d-devel. kthxbye, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikcpejqsm5x-bewszjfert260s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: list of package for python_support -> dh_python2 ?
OoO Lors de la soirée naissante du jeudi 09 juin 2011, vers 17:05, Bernd Zeimetz disait : >> but pysupport is not deprecated so you cannot file bugs and ask people >> to convert now > Can we please do so for Wheezy? It would help some of us (at least me) if someone could explain what the story behind python-support and dh-python2 is. It seems that everything was dealed in private. From my point of view, dh-python2 is here only because python-central could not be deprecated by its author in favor of python-support for political reasons. That does not help to adopt it. -- Vincent Bernat ☯ http://www.luffy.cx Treat end of file conditions in a uniform manner. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger) pgpRjE9vU8KHM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for sponsor: python-llfuse
OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du dimanche 05 juin 2011, vers 00:07, Nikolaus Rath disait : > * URL : http://code.google.com/p/python-llfuse/ > * License : LGPL > * Section : python [...] > I would also be happy to join the python team and have this package team > maintained. Would that be preferred? My alioth login is > nikratio-guest. I can sponsor you. Please join the team. Piotr, could you add Nikolaus to the team? -- Vincent Bernat ☯ http://www.luffy.cx Don't patch bad code - rewrite it. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger) pgpEN6NyTfO3w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for sponsor: python-llfuse
Vincent Bernat writes: > OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du dimanche 05 juin 2011, vers 00:07, > Nikolaus Rath disait : > >> * URL : http://code.google.com/p/python-llfuse/ >> * License : LGPL >> * Section : python > > [...] > >> I would also be happy to join the python team and have this package team >> maintained. Would that be preferred? My alioth login is >> nikratio-guest. > > I can sponsor you. Please join the team. Piotr, could you add Nikolaus > to the team? Cool, thanks! So I'll change debian/control to Maintainer: Debian Python Team Uploader: Nikolaus Rath and then upload the package with svn-inject. Is there anything else I need to do? Best, -Nikolaus -- »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« PGP fingerprint: 5B93 61F8 4EA2 E279 ABF6 02CF A9AD B7F8 AE4E 425C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vt816jt@vostro.rath.org
Re: list of package for python_support -> dh_python2 ?
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 07:51 +, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 23:34, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe > wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 20:06 +, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:05, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > >> > [Barry Warsaw, 2011-06-09] > >> >> What is the process for deprecating python-support? Who makes that > >> >> decision? > >> > > >> > I'd ask Joss, Sandro and Jakub what they think first (if they still > >> > don't think it's a good idea, it'll never happen) > >> > >> Do what you (plural) want, I don't care. > > > > You sound unhappy. What's up? > > Could you please stop acting like this, seeing feelings everywhere in > our mls? It diverges attention from the technical matters at hand, > adding no value to the discussion. It has also already been pointed > out on d-devel. I did not intend to annoy. Forgive me. Anyways, I responded like that because you said "I don't care". I read that as "I am not happy with the deprecation of python-support"? Is that accurate? Also, I mentioned the question I was actually interested in: What does Debian lose if it deprecates python-support? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307830009.10343.7.camel@debian
Re: list of package for python_support -> dh_python2 ?
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 22:06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > Anyways, I responded like that because you said "I don't care". I read > that as "I am not happy with the deprecation of python-support"? Is that > accurate? No, I said "I don't care" because I don't care. -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTim+P0bSJ=-e5inggd5jwxgkf06...@mail.gmail.com
Re: list of package for python_support -> dh_python2 ?
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >Do what you (plural) want, I don't care. > Personally, I want one helper. The consistency will make life much easier for > new packagers, for documentation, and for helping focus the community on > fixing bugs, adding features, and improving the state of the art. YEAP -- one mighty helper would be better than many less mighty. Even: one mighty helper would be better than 2 mighty, because we hate duplication and trying to reduce our maintenance effort. But ATM, is there any source/documentation which could give me a clear answer why pysupport sucks and dh_python2 rules (or why should I care about python_support -> dh_python2)? I am asking because I have a few packages which use pysupport now and it seems to work (so it is the mighty for me)... not sure if I am ready to invest time into doing a conversion which has some plausible benefits which I could not sense right away. > Even though it will eventually all be made moot by the retirement of Python 2 > , especially then -- both could die in peace sooner or later ;-) > As my previous message stated, we're on a mission to remove python-support and > python-central from the Ubuntu CDs. Officially deprecating python-support in > Debian would make our lives easier. :) Thanks for the frankness ;) -- =--= Keep in touch www.onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko www.ohloh.net/accounts/yarikoptic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110612001149.gr17...@onerussian.com
Re: list of package for python_support -> dh_python2 ?
On Jun 11, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: >It would help some of us (at least me) if someone could explain what the >story behind python-support and dh-python2 is. It seems that everything >was dealed in private. From my point of view, dh-python2 is here only >because python-central could not be deprecated by its author in favor of >python-support for political reasons. That does not help to adopt it. The main reason why we're favoring dh_python2 is because, to the extent possible with Python 2[*], everything is in the package. Because pyc files cannot be shared across Python versions, and yet in almost every case the source code can, the Python 2 helpers create symlinks for the py files from a shared directory into a version-specific directory, because Python will put the pyc files next to the py files. Unlike the other helpers, dh_python2 includes the symlinks in the package, so in most cases, packages which use dh_python2 will come with everything they need instead of being created at installation time, which is fragile. (py files are still and always byte-compiled upon installation, but that's fine). With Python 3, the symlinks are no longer necessary because pyc and .so files from different Python versions (well, >= 3.2) can coexist. Cheers, -Barry [*] The only exception is namespace package __init__.py files, which unfortunately still need to be created at package installation time, and which dh_python2 does properly by reference counting them. Hopefully PEP 382 will land in Python 3.2 and be back-portable, which would eliminate the need to create even these files at installation time. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
