Re: common issue: setlocale handling?

2010-09-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 25, 2010, at 01:22 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Barry Warsaw  wrote:
>
>> My guess is that you'd get a lot of push back from folks in
>> python-dev.  Won't a change like this have the potential to produce
>> confusing, wrong, or hard to track down bugs?  This kind of implicit
>> behavior change seems to run counter to the "explicit is better"
>> mantra.
>>
>> Note too that there's no way this would change before Python 3.2.
>>
>> I'm not qualified to personally champion this upstream, but I do
>> encourage you to submit a bug at bugs.python.org if you feel
>> strongly about it.  If you can't or don't want to bring it to the
>> attention of python-dev, I will do so in a neutral way.
>
>I missed your mail due to an evil mail provider, but it looks like
>doko has filed a bug about this:
>
>http://bugs.python.org/issue1703592
>
>Some particularly insightful comments by cjwatson there.

Yep.  Unfortunately I don't think upstream can do anything but improve the
documentation for Python 2.7.  As I followed up in the bug report, I'm +0 for
adding a convenience function to Python 3.2 that swallows the exception.

-Barry


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Fw: Call for proposals -- PyCon 2011

2010-09-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi folks.  Most of you probably have seen this, but just in case, I hope it's
okay to forward to this list.  It would be awesome have a nice representation
of debian-python at the conference.

Some talk ideas:

 * explaining to folks how Python is delivered on Debian.  This would include
   things like our customizations (dist-packages), default versions,
   dh*/python-support/central/etc., the functioning of DPMT and PAPT
 * intro to packaging Python libraries and applications for Debian, including
   how to get new packages reviewed and sponsored
 * PEPs 3147, 3149 and how they and other technical developments will improve
   the Python experience on Debian, and what still needs to be done
   (e.g. libraries only compatible with one version of Python 3).
 * The uneasy marriage between Cheeseshop and apt and some possible solutions
   from a DD's perspective
 
Now I'm probably not the best person to give these talks (certainly not *all*
of them :) so if you agree that Atlanta is very nice in March and have talk
ideas, I encourage you to propose one!  If you have other ideas, let us know.
It would be nice to have some coordination, I think.

Also: definitely plan on coming to the sprints.  They're the free part of the
conference (not counting travel, room and board ;) and always a great way to
spend some face time with other Python hackers on difficult problems.

-Barry


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:35:22 -0400
From: Jesse Noller 
To: python-announce-l...@python.org
Subject: Call for proposals -- PyCon 2011


Call for proposals -- PyCon 2011 -- 
===

Proposal Due date: November 1st, 2010

PyCon is back! With a rocking new website, a great location and
more Python hackers and luminaries under one roof than you could
possibly shake a stick at. We've also added an "Extreme" talk
track this year - no introduction, no fluff - only the pure
technical meat!

PyCon 2011 will be held March 9th through the 17th, 2011 in Atlanta,
Georgia. (Home of some of the best southern food you can possibly
find on Earth!) The PyCon conference days will be March 11-13,
preceded by two tutorial days (March 9-10), and followed by four
days of development sprints (March 14-17).

PyCon 2011 is looking for proposals for the formal presentation
tracks (this includes "extreme talks"). A request for proposals for
poster sessions and tutorials will come separately.

Want to showcase your skills as a Python Hacker? Want to have
hundreds of people see your talk on the subject of your choice? Have
some hot button issue you think the community needs to address, or have
some package, code or project you simply love talking about? Want to
launch your master plan to take over the world with Python?

PyCon is your platform for getting the word out and teaching something
new to hundreds of people, face to face.

In the past, PyCon has had a broad range of presentations, from reports
on academic and commercial projects, tutorials on a broad range of
subjects, and case studies. All conference speakers are volunteers and
come from a myriad of backgrounds: some are new speakers, some have been
speaking for years. Everyone is welcome, so bring your passion and your
code! We've had some incredible past PyCons, and we're looking to you to
help us top them!

Online proposal submission is open now! Proposals  will be accepted
through November 10th, with acceptance notifications coming out by
January 20th. To get started, please see:



For videos of talks from previous years - check out:



For more information on "Extreme Talks" see:



We look forward to seeing you in Atlanta!

Please also note - registration for PyCon 2011 will also be capped at a
maximum of 1,500 delegates, including speakers. When registration opens
(soon), you're going to want to make sure you register early! Speakers
with accepted talks will have a guaranteed slot.

Important Dates:
* November 1st, 2010: Talk proposals due.
* December 15th, 2010: Acceptance emails sent.
* January 19th, 2010: Early bird registration closes.
* March 9-10th, 2011: Tutorial days at PyCon.
* March 11-13th, 2011: PyCon main conference.
* March 14-17th, 2011: PyCon sprints days.

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