Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that
> have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree,
> wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark
> themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on
> python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable.
I think they should simply be updated to not use ${python:Depends}.
I wonder if that should be replaced by some custom dependency however.
Probably not. There's no reason to depend on python-2.4... that's the
job of packages containing python scripts requiring 2.4.
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Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
[Raphael Hertzog, 2008-04-15 09:31]
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that
> > have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree,
> > wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark
> > themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on
> > python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable.
>
> I think they should simply be updated to not use ${python:Depends}.
> I wonder if that should be replaced by some custom dependency however.
> Probably not. There's no reason to depend on python-2.4... that's the
> job of packages containing python scripts requiring 2.4.
I guess my mail from yesterday didn't make it... anyway, ctypes and wgsiref
are already fixed (I will file bugs against python-support and python-central
later) and celementtree should be fixed by binNMU (it worked on my
desktop)
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Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:28:00 +0200]:
> On lun, 2008-04-14 at 22:57 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that
> > have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree,
> > wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark
> > themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on
> > python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable.
> The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list.
That's a good point, but that's about rdepends only, and orthogonal to these
packages being uninstallable.
Anyway, FTR, all three packages have been uploaded like this:
python-wsgiref (0.1.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium
.
* Replace ${python:Depends} with "python (<<2.5) | python2.4,
python-support (>=0.6.4)" as python-support generates wrong dependencies
(and makes this package uninstallable with python2.5 set as default)
celementtree (1.0.5-10) unstable; urgency=low
.
- don't use ${python:Depends} in depens fields so
that the package can coexist with python >= 2.5 (Closes: #475897)
ctypes (1.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium
.
* Change "all" to "<<2.5" in XS-Python-Version and let python-central
generate dependencies, add python2.4 to Depends (closes: #475906)
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Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
On lun, 2008-04-14 at 22:57 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that > have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree, > wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark > themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on > python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable. The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
[Josselin Mouette, 2008-04-15 12:32] > On lun, 2008-04-14 at 22:57 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that > > have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree, > > wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark > > themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on > > python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable. > > The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. python2.5 package already does that, the problem was that python-support generated something like "python (<<2.5)" for "2.1-2.4", anyway, Depends are filled in by hand in python-wsgiref package and I will file a bug in python-support after work. In python-ctypes there was a different problem - XS-Python-Version's content was wrong (I changed "all" to ">=2.1, <<2.5") -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:28:00 +0200]: > On lun, 2008-04-14 at 22:57 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that > > have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree, > > wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark > > themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on > > python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable. > The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. Plus, uhm, can't really be done for (c)elementtree, since python 2.5 provides the modules under a different name/namespace. Which leads to the interesting question of whether some program is going to break by this (the dependency will be satisfied, but the modules won't be available under the names where the program *may* be expecting them). python-pysqlite2, on the other hand/for example, still provides the modules for python 2.5 under the old name. elementtree could do this, or else the packages should be somehow checked, I guess? -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Carlos Berlanga - Sueños -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
On mar, 2008-04-15 at 12:46 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Josselin Mouette, 2008-04-15 12:32] > > The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. > > python2.5 package already does that But python does not: Provides: python-email, python-xmlbase > , the problem was that python-support > generated something like "python (<<2.5)" for "2.1-2.4", anyway, Depends > are filled in by hand in python-wsgiref package and I will file a bug in > python-support after work. This behavior is intentional; if python-foo only supports python << 2.5, introducing a dependency on python (<< 2.5) | python2.4 will just break all python-foo’s reverse dependencies, allowing them to be installed with python 2.5 while they can’t work with it. Thus, there needs to be some special-casing for modules being moved to core python packages. As they are doomed to be removed soon enough, I think they can live with some manual dependencies. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Josselin Mouette [Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:28:00 +0200]: > > The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. > > Plus, uhm, can't really be done for (c)elementtree, since python 2.5 > provides the modules under a different name/namespace. ?! In that case it might be a good idea to build python-celementtree for python 2.5 as well... I haven't heard of technical incompatibility but just that it was bundled with python 2.5 and thus unneeded/in conflict. But if the namespace is different, there's no file conflict and I don't understand why we cared about not generating the module for python 2.5. > python-pysqlite2, on the other hand/for example, still provides the > modules for python 2.5 under the old name. elementtree could do this, > or else the packages should be somehow checked, I guess? Indeed. (I should read mails entirely before replying :)) Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
Raphael Hertzog writes: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Adeodato Sim
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Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-15 14:56:40 +0200]: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > * Josselin Mouette [Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:28:00 +0200]: > > > The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. > > > > Plus, uhm, can't really be done for (c)elementtree, since python 2.5 > > provides the modules under a different name/namespace. > > ?! > > In that case it might be a good idea to build python-celementtree for > python 2.5 as well... I haven't heard of technical incompatibility but > just that it was bundled with python 2.5 and thus unneeded/in conflict. Since elementtree/celementtree is still released as a standalone module, a program or library might be using newer features that aren't available in the stdlib version; this would be more complex to fix than just a simple try/except ImportError. > But if the namespace is different, there's no file conflict and I don't > understand why we cared about not generating the module for python 2.5. I'm not really sure either; it seems over-eager to get rid of the standalone module, even if most software can be fairly easily fixed to import the module from either location. -- mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bugs that'll block python 2.5
* Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-15 12:28:00 +0200]: > On lun, 2008-04-14 at 22:57 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Finally, and quite importantly, there is what to do with modules that > > have been added to the standard library in 2.5 (ctypes, celementtree, > > wgsiref). These use either pycentral or pysupport, and since they mark > > themselves as for python << 2.5 only, the dependency generated is on > > python (<< 2.5), rendering them uninstallable. > > The solution is really simple, just add them to python’s Provides: list. I really don't think python2.5 should have Provides: python-celementtree, as python2.5 and python-celementtree are not API-compatible due to the modules being located in different places. -- mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
