Re: Release Team meeting minutes - 2005-06-18

2005-06-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050620 05:47]:
> Not everyone can be in an IRC discussion.  There are pesky things like
> sleep, work, and Real Life that mean that it's not possible for
> everyone to participate in a real-time discussion.  

I think IRC meetings are fine for teams like the release team (where we
choose an appropriate time at least for the team members). Of course, if
it were me to do the python policy discussion (but as I said, I think
that's more the python team's call), I think mail would be more
appropriate, and perhaps - if there are hairy issues - one meeting about
the hairy issues on IRC. But didn't we want to postpone that discussion? :)


Cheers,
Andi


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Re: Release Team meeting minutes - 2005-06-18

2005-06-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Andi, Matthias,

I'd like to apologise for being unnecessarily aggressive yesterday. I
guess I'm becoming too suspicious against many developers as a result of
the behaviour of only a very few ones.

I hope it won't serve as an excuse for even less discussion that what we
have currently. I happen to prefer when discussions heat up and things
get flattened thereafter, than when nothing is said.

Regards,
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Re: Release Team meeting minutes - 2005-06-18

2005-06-20 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:03:05AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050620 05:47]:
> > Not everyone can be in an IRC discussion.  There are pesky things like
> > sleep, work, and Real Life that mean that it's not possible for
> > everyone to participate in a real-time discussion.  
> 
> I think IRC meetings are fine for teams like the release team (where we
> choose an appropriate time at least for the team members). Of course, if

I'm not saying otherwise.  I'm just saying that full and accurate
meetings, or at least IRC logs, ought to be posted.  Saying "oh, our
decisions were controversial, therefore we won't tell anyone" only makes
the legendary communication problems within Debian worse.

-- John


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Re: Release Team meeting minutes - 2005-06-18

2005-06-20 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 04:23, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Andi, Matthias,
> 
> I'd like to apologise for being unnecessarily aggressive yesterday. I
> guess I'm becoming too suspicious against many developers as a result of
> the behaviour of only a very few ones.
> 
> I hope it won't serve as an excuse for even less discussion that what we
> have currently. I happen to prefer when discussions heat up and things
> get flattened thereafter, than when nothing is said.

It sounds like this was a similar to a case of "If you feel like you are
out of the loop and things are being done behind your back, it usually
means there is no loop, and nothing is getting done at all" :-)

See http://minkirri.apana.org.au/Wiki/OrganisationTips

It also shows how important it is for people to feel informed... even if
there is nothing to inform them about.

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