Please wait before bloating Debian with python2- packages
Hi, I've recently seen some python2- modules being uploaded into Incoming. It seems that people did not read our previous thread and prefer to duplicate package for all Python interpreters. This is all non-sense. Please realize that this will bloat Debian an unconsistant way. Rob recently came up with an interesting proposal, inspired from emacsen way of installing modules. I don't know if he had a deeper look in it and if he started implementing something since then. Matthias, Gregor, what do you think of this? Thanks. Right now, I'm ready to help on implementing something but I don't want that we duplicate our efforts. Rob, did you start something ? Cheers, -- Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Debian Activity Page: http://jerome.marant.free.fr/debian ---
Re: Please wait before bloating Debian with python2- packages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jérôme Marant) writes: > Right now, I'm ready to help on implementing something but I don't > want that we duplicate our efforts. Rob, did you start something ? No, I've been pretty busy with work lately and haven't really had time to look into it any further. However, it may not be as urgently needed as I thought. It would probably still be nice to have some sort of automatic-compilation framework in place if anyone ever packages jpython/jython, but I think we may not need to have parallel installations of 1.5 and 2.0 for much longer. (Although I have no inside knowledge, I have heard that the GPL incompatibility issue has been worked out and will be fixed shortly. I certainly hope so...) In that case, I guess we would still need both of them long enough to allow package maintainers to switch to using /usr/lib/python2.0 instead of /usr/lib/python1.5, if nothing else. --Rob -- Rob Tillotson N9MTB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Please wait before bloating Debian with python2- packages
Rob Tillotson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, it may not be as urgently needed as I thought. It would > probably still be nice to have some sort of automatic-compilation > framework in place if anyone ever packages jpython/jython, but I think > we may not need to have parallel installations of 1.5 and 2.0 for much > longer. (Although I have no inside knowledge, I have heard that the > GPL incompatibility issue has been worked out and will be fixed > shortly. I certainly hope so...) In that case, I guess we would Were did you read about this ? So if there are no more GPL problems, and if there are no need to have 2 pythons at a time, we can add a Provides: python (=2.0) to python 2 and recompile all our modules for python 2 right ? So there is no need for 2 versions of each module. > still need both of them long enough to allow package maintainers to > switch to using /usr/lib/python2.0 instead of /usr/lib/python1.5, if > nothing else. Well, I think we need some mecanism allowing us to keep modules on the system, even if we change the interpreter. -- Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Debian Activity Page: http://jerome.marant.free.fr/debian ---
Re: Please wait before bloating Debian with python2- packages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jérôme Marant) writes: > Were did you read about this ? Someone mentioned it on this mailing list about a week ago, as I recall. > So if there are no more GPL problems, and if there are no need to > have 2 pythons at a time, we can add a Provides: python (=2.0) to > python 2 and recompile all our modules for python 2 right ? Yes, if it turns out that Python 2.0 is GPL compatible, this will be possible. (Of course it is remotely possible that some add-ons won't work with 2.0, but I don't think that's likely to be a problem.) > Well, I think we need some mecanism allowing us to keep modules on the > system, even if we change the interpreter. Perhaps, but it might not help much with this transition. One way or another, packages that depend on Python will have to be updated this time. (And really, it shouldn't take much more than changing a few directory references and a recompile -- if a package needs more work than that to build it for 2.0, it probably would have needed that work anyway.) --Rob -- Rob Tillotson N9MTB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Please wait before bloating Debian with python2- packages
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 02:16:25PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Were did you read about this ? Guido has told me that the GPL incompatibility is being straightened out. Neil
Re: Please wait before bloating Debian with python2- packages
On Jan 22, J?r?me Marant wrote: > I've recently seen some python2- modules being uploaded into Incoming. > It seems that people did not read our previous thread and prefer to > duplicate package for all Python interpreters. This is all non-sense. > > Please realize that this will bloat Debian an unconsistant way. > > Rob recently came up with an interesting proposal, inspired from > emacsen way of installing modules. I don't know if he had a deeper > look in it and if he started implementing something since then. > > Matthias, Gregor, what do you think of this? Thanks. > > Right now, I'm ready to help on implementing something but I don't > want that we duplicate our efforts. Rob, did you start something ? Unfortunately, this argument doesn't apply to binary modules, which are specific to the particular version of the interpreter (IIRC). That's why python2-pqueue is there. I suppose you could put both 1.5 and 2.0 modules in one package and depend on python-base (>= 1.5.2) | python2-base, but I really didn't think of that at the time... In any event, there are good technical reasons to keep both 1.5 and 2.0 for now that have nothing to do with the GPL issue. Chris -- Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ Computer Systems Manager (Physics & Astronomy, 125 Lewis, 662-915-5765) Instructor, POL 101 (Political Science, 208 Deupree, 662-915-5949)
python-xml 0.6.3 : seeking for sponsorship
Hi, I put a new version of python-xml at http://jerome.marant.free.fr/debian/unstable and I'm seeking for a sponsor. The last upload was done by Adrian Bunk and I would be please to be sponsored by him one again. Adrian, if you don't have time for it, please tell me and I will ask for someone else. Thanks. Note that there is python2 specific version yet as we have not stated about what python will be in Debian soon. Cheers, -- Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://jerome.marant.free.fr
Re: python-xml 0.6.3 : seeking for sponsorship
On 22 Jan 2001, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Hi, Hi Jérôme, > I put a new version of python-xml at > > http://jerome.marant.free.fr/debian/unstable > > and I'm seeking for a sponsor. The last upload was done by Adrian Bunk > and I would be please to be sponsored by him one again. Adrian, if you > don't have time for it, please tell me and I will ask for someone else. > Thanks. I have uploaded your package. >... > Cheers, cu, Adrian -- A "No" uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble. -- Mahatma Ghandi
