Re: Req Fer Code: Mirrors list checker tool
On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 09:51:02PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > Hi all > > Our mirror list has grown somewhat out of proportion and there are > probably lots of hooped/partial mirrors. > > Thus I would like to request that someone cookup a python/perl script to > check this out. The basic operation would be to take the mirror list and > probe each mirror to determine how it is feeling and then write a new > mirror list with updated information and produce a web page for inclusion > in the web site with information about dead mirrors so people can advoid > them. > > Any takers? Shouldn't be forward to QA committee? I really find this a good candidate for a task. [ But not for me... I'm too mediocre in web tools ;) ] > > Thanks, > Jason > > -- ---* *- Fabien Niñoles/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chevalier Servant de Sa Dame / / C15D FE9E BB35 F596 127F Veneur Gris par la Clef / /BF7D 8F1F DFC9 BCE0 9436 Chaton pour Debian / / http://www.tzone.org/~fabien --* *-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)
o remove
it from my backgrounds at a previous jobs !! ]. Remember: people at Debian
have only three contraint: the Constitution, the DFSG Policy, and the Law.
This include the opinion of developpers as a whole and the will of the
maintainer of a package. We have to deal with both in a reasonable way.
> >
> > >Cons:
> > > 1) People which don't have access to the net find these packages
> > > invaluable...
> > >Reply: Yes, then create a separate project "WebDeb" with the goal
> > > of packaging anything in the .deb format.
> >
> > I think this is by far the best solution, but I think Debian should be
> > broken up into smaller, more independent pieces anyway. ;-)
That's address with data.
>
> this could be done not - priorities (I know, they are not always correct)
This too (if you mean, like I think, dependencies vs priorities, instead of
just priorities).
> >
> > ..deb is really just a tarball with extra information on the package and
> > some guidelines for what should be inside it. It's much cleaner as a
> > "pure data" encapsulation format for distribution than some of the things
> > other people use, e.g. self-installing Win32 .EXE files.
> >
> > As other people pointed out, there are other advantages to having pure
> > data in .deb format: easy distribution via apt, and management of the
> > files when they're installed on the system.
>
> so build a program that inserts the information about files unpacked from
> downloaded archive. It could be useful also for other packages (rvplayer comes
> to mind).
See also my previous mail on the same thread about the special Source-Only
package. The overhead can go down near to nothing and can be easy to
implement. I also proposed something on debian-doc (look for my name this
month) about handling of i18n who can also address issue like not installing
some parts of the files through a dpkg-divert to /dev/null mecanism. This
can save lot of space on installation too.
>
> Petr Cech
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Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)
On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:29:53PM +, Alexander Koch wrote: > [f'up] > > On Tue, 19 October 1999 21:43:57 +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > Why not allow Source only packages ? > > Something like that is the only workable thing, methinks. > Having a source where a source is 99+ % the same data is waste. > > Before that is agreed on (and there is a need, I read it > here) I would not touch anything. I am strongly against > the data section and especially the bigger packages. Why are you against a data section (which is just a separate archives like contrib or non-us)? I would like to know what's wrong with it since who doesn't have much opposition in debian-policy. Please, read the proposal carefully before answering. > > Alexander > > -- > "Video killed the radio star ... then the Spice Girls killed the rest." > -- Alan Braverman > Alexander Koch - <>< - WWJD - aka Efraim - PGP 0xE7694969 - ARGH-RIPE > -- Fabien NinolesChevalier servant de la Dame Catherine des Rosiers aka Corbeau aka le Veneur Gris Debian GNU/Linux maintainer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage:http://www.tzone.org/~fabien RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70
Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)
On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 10:57:51PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Torsten Landschoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:43:57PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > > > > Why not allow Source only packages ? > > > > That will win nothing. You can't use apt-get on them, have to rebuilt > > and have them twice locally. > > You could set the arch flag in the packages file to "source-only". Apt > could then run "apt-get source" and the source be dowloaded. Then it > can be compiled or directly installed. No current way to directly installed it. Also no way to add a depends against those packages since the package doesn't exist. > > Its only data, there is actually no need to compile anything and dpkg > could be told to install from a source and debian dir directly. Even > if it has to be compiled, so what. People without a few MB space won´t > download 47 MB packages. dpkg currently can't install from a debian dir directly. Also think about pristine source. Having a few mb of space is already a trouble since you must have at least twice the size of a binary package to install it. With source only package and the current situations, you need at least three time (if done correctly and for straight copy package) the size as free space. That's just can be too much especially if you upgrade from an old stable to a new stable! We already need an apt able to take into account how much space is left so it can download a bunch, install it, clean up packages, download another bunch, etc. > > After installation the source and deb file can be deleted and > everything is fine again. > > May the Source be with you. > Goswin > > PS: Its just a dream to only have to mirror source to install and > maintain a debian system at the moment, but we´r getting nearer with > the autobuild demons. > That's a good thing too, but do I really need to build all those xserver just to install my fbdev server? -- Fabien NinolesChevalier servant de la Dame Catherine des Rosiers aka Corbeau aka le Veneur Gris Debian GNU/Linux maintainer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage:http://www.tzone.org/~fabien RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70
Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)
On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:43:57PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 1) The way the Debian archive works requires the data to be stored > > twice (source package and .deb). > > Why not allow Source only packages ? Because installing such package requires you to have three times the necessary space and there no way to make it installable from dselect or apt-get install. For sure, if we can make those options works correctly, I'm not opppsed to it. See also my suggestion about a deb package who used .orig.tar.gz as an "external" data.tar.gz. > > May the Source be with you. > Goswin > -- -------- Fabien NinolesChevalier servant de la Dame Catherine des Rosiers aka Corbeau aka le Veneur Gris Debian GNU/Linux maintainer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage:http://www.tzone.org/~fabien RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70
Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 11:36:30AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 07:37:55AM -0700, Robert Jones wrote: > > Quoth Anthony Towns on 25 Oct, 1999: > > > All this `I've got a proposal, let's vote on it' stuff isn't quite right. > We didn't vote on debconf, we discussed it, then implemented it. Compare > and contrast with the data/ section: we discussed it, voted (via -policy), > and... nothing. Hum... implementing data... mkdir data add data in the available section list of dinstall and apt/dpkg/etc. The implementation of data is just a renamed copy of contrib or non-free but with a different purpose. It's a policy thing, nothing else. I agree with you however that voting on the proposal is bit... too early. I'd like to see some codes first and some work with the ftp maintainers for testing it. > > Cheers, > aj > > -- > Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> > I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred. > > ``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it > results in slower code, and it results in more bugs.'' > -- Linus Torvalds -- Fabien NinolesChevalier servant de la Dame Catherine des Rosiers aka Corbeau aka le Veneur Gris Debian GNU/Linux maintainer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage:http://www.tzone.org/~fabien RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70
Funny Observation [was Re: Debian for the developing world: help making CD's]
On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 01:59:21AM -0500, David Coe wrote: > > Also, if VA (or someone else) can contribue Slink-and-a-half CDs or > CDs and books like we handed out at LWE, we'd love to distribute those > too. > Just off topic: do you see that Debian is the only distro where everybody refers to versions by their name (I remember more easily the order of the name of each release than the version just before 2.0). It's so true that you can easily simply talking about slink or potato to RH or SuSE users and they know what you talking about! Even if most software project has a codename for each version, AFAIK, at the exception of Gnome, people external to the project use the version number and often even ignore the codename. All of this to conclude: Debian is the only distribution "with a name" ;) Happy bugsquash-weekend everybody! -- -------- Fabien NinolesChevalier servant de la Dame Catherine des Rosiers aka Corbeau aka le Veneur Gris Debian GNU/Linux maintainer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage:http://www.tzone.org/~fabien RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70
