Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:37:52PM -0500, Stephan Foley wrote:
> Very true, I agree with all of your points. Going back to my original
> purpose of posting this question, I wanted to do a sort of "sales
> pitch" to encourage Debian to offer Fluxbox as a task in the
> installer. I actually wrote up a spec which you can find here:

Well, since Debian is a volunteer-driven distribution, a sales pitch doesn't
really help all that much.

The best way to get anything done in Debian is to do it yourself. If you
want to encourage Debian to have Fluxbox as an easy-to-select option for
a desktop install, I encourage you to talk to the tasksel maintainers
and the debian-boot mailinglist to see what the needed bits would be,
and try to get them available.

Thanks for your enthousiasm, at the very least :-)

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Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stephan Foley dijo [Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:37:52PM -0500]:
> Very true, I agree with all of your points. Going back to my original
> purpose of posting this question, I wanted to do a sort of "sales
> pitch" to encourage Debian to offer Fluxbox as a task in the
> installer. I actually wrote up a spec which you can find here:
> (...)
> So, I thought this might be a good angle for my pitch...hey, Debian is
> for the technically savvy, so why not offer a technically savvy
> windows manager in addition to the others. As for the others (Gnome,
> KDE, etc), I might add that they are mostly just aping the Windows
> paradigm, but that might be my chauvinist Fluxbox attitude :-)

Adding to what Wouter rightfully said here about Debian not needing a
sales pitch, I would add that a tech-savvy user is extremely picky on
what they like, and targetting them would not be an easy task. Lets
exemplify, exaggerating my own worldview.

In this very simple example you bring up, I also believe that Fluxbox
is basically based on what you call "the Windows paradigm".

I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the
*real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as
i3:

https://screenshots.debian.net/package/i3
http://i3wm.org/

I mean, just look at its manifesto! It has "tech savvy" written all
over it. Besides, it is more beautiful, in a simplicity sense. Small
is beautiful.

Best of all, we don't need to make no stinkin' list of recommended
programs. Just install i3-wm, rxvt-unicode-256color, and... That's all
a tech-savvy user needs.

Oh, and don't get me started as to why rxvt-unicode-256color and not
xterm, lxterminal, roxterm, or (sigh) terminator, terminal.app,
gnome-terminal, or a long etcætera ad nauseam of lesser terminal
programs.



Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]

On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the
> *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as
> i3:

Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)

-- 
It is easy to love a country that is famous for chocolate and beer

  -- Barack Obama, speaking in Brussels, Belgium, 2014-03-26



DE discussions

2016-02-05 Thread Amruth Chand
Hey, why ain't anyone bringing in dwm? Sure, no config is a bummer... But just 
a few thousand lines of code sure makes it compile fast. Add dmenu and 
powerline and it is pretty awesome!

Re: DE discussions

2016-02-05 Thread Riley Baird
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 08:30:54 +0530
Amruth Chand  wrote:

> Hey, why ain't anyone bringing in dwm? Sure, no config is a bummer... But 
> just a few thousand lines of code sure makes it compile fast. Add dmenu and 
> powerline and it is pretty awesome!

dwm already is in Debian. You can install it using:
$ sudo apt-get install dwm


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