Sid-specific list?
A fair number of people I know who aren't heavily-involved in Debian run Sid these days. Some of that, probably, is me begging them not to run Sarge (for the obvious reasons). I've been telling them that they should be fine, so long as they double-check with somebody "in the know" before upgrading (whether on a daily or semi-daily basis). I've been wondering if maybe it would be worthwhile to have a mailing list specific to any humdrum issues that show up in Sid. Something moderated so there isn't a huge amount of traffic for these people to keep up with. Two or three posts a day, I'm thinking. Thoughts? -- Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you realise the pig is enjoying it. OpenPGP v4 key ID: 4096R/59DDCB9F Fingerprint: CC53 F124 35C0 7BC2 58FE 7A3C 157D DFD9 59DD CB9F Retreive from subkeys.pgp.net or risk key corruption
Re: Sid-specific list?
David B Harris wrote: > I've been wondering if maybe it would be worthwhile to have a mailing > list specific to any humdrum issues that show up in Sid. Something > moderated so there isn't a huge amount of traffic for these people to > keep up with. Two or three posts a day, I'm thinking. Such are sent and discussed on debian-devel in the past. I believe this is still adaequate, especially since we keep telling people that they should not run sid when they don't subscribe to debian-devel and -announce. Regards, Joey -- The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media. -- H. Peter Anvin
Re: Sid-specific list?
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:57:49 +0200 Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David B Harris wrote: > > I've been wondering if maybe it would be worthwhile to have a mailing > > list specific to any humdrum issues that show up in Sid. Something > > moderated so there isn't a huge amount of traffic for these people to > > keep up with. Two or three posts a day, I'm thinking. > > Such are sent and discussed on debian-devel in the past. I believe this > is still adaequate, especially since we keep telling people that they > should not run sid when they don't subscribe to debian-devel and -announce. I would have agreed last year. I don't know if I've just lost patience for it, but it seems to me like debian-devel is just way too heavy for this sort of thing. I have serious trouble drumming up interest for a full 85% of the traffic there, and I'm a maintainer and somebody who's active in the community. -- Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you realise the pig is enjoying it. OpenPGP v4 key ID: 4096R/59DDCB9F Fingerprint: CC53 F124 35C0 7BC2 58FE 7A3C 157D DFD9 59DD CB9F Retreive from subkeys.pgp.net or risk key corruption
Re: Sid-specific list?
Would the list say anything different to what apt-listbugs produces? -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sid-specific list?
le Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 03:15:17AM -0500 par David B Harris : > A fair number of people I know who aren't heavily-involved in Debian run > Sid these days. Some of that, probably, is me begging them not to run > Sarge (for the obvious reasons). I've been telling them that they should > be fine, so long as they double-check with somebody "in the know" before > upgrading (whether on a daily or semi-daily basis). > > I've been wondering if maybe it would be worthwhile to have a mailing > list specific to any humdrum issues that show up in Sid. Something > moderated so there isn't a huge amount of traffic for these people to > keep up with. Two or three posts a day, I'm thinking. > > Thoughts? - that would be a worthful tool ! cheers, mose
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Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
For a while I wondered if we need a moderated list for infrastructure issue. For important public changes there is debian-news, for release issues we have debian-announce, and for development concerns we have debian-devel-announce. In theory there's also debian-mirrors for announcements concerning mirror maintainers. Where should we send mails such as . Host foo out of order, local admin will run local maintenance tomorrow . Host foo finally turned off, services will be rebuilt on host bar, baz and waz . http.us rotation borked due to downtime of host foo . Service bar moves from host foo to baz . New host foo at bar for services baz, waz, and guuz . Architecture foo porting host turned into buildd, access restricted . New architecture foo porting host donated by bar, hosted by baz, with local admin quux and guuz . Service bar shut down for maintenance/security/lazyness Regards, Joey -- The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media. -- H. Peter Anvin
Re: Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040328 15:55]: > For a while I wondered if we need a moderated list for infrastructure > issue. [...] > > Where should we send mails such as > [...] I for myself would be quite happy with most of them at d-d-a (at least all permanent messages as "services moved", "host (un)restricted", ...), because they have more or less the same audience as d-d-a. "Temporary" messages are IMHO quite good announced in d-d, together with an appropriate irc-topic. (And whoever ignores the few messages of a debian-admin-member to d-d probably is also not hit by temporary outages.) Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C
Re: Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:06:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > I for myself would be quite happy with most of them at d-d-a (at least > all permanent messages as "services moved", "host (un)restricted", > ...), because they have more or less the same audience as d-d-a. > "Temporary" messages are IMHO quite good announced in d-d, together > with an appropriate irc-topic. (And whoever ignores the few messages > of a debian-admin-member to d-d probably is also not hit by temporary > outages.) Depending on the traffic, if it's low I see nothing against d-d-a, and if it'd be high, weekly summaries of what happens in d-d-a linked to messages in -devel may do the trick. Ciao, Enrico
Re: Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:06:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040328 15:55]: > > For a while I wondered if we need a moderated list for infrastructure > > issue. [...] > > > > Where should we send mails such as > > [...] > > I for myself would be quite happy with most of them at d-d-a (at least > all permanent messages as "services moved", "host (un)restricted", > ...), because they have more or less the same audience as d-d-a. > "Temporary" messages are IMHO quite good announced in d-d, together > with an appropriate irc-topic. (And whoever ignores the few messages > of a debian-admin-member to d-d probably is also not hit by temporary > outages.) I dunno. We *want* -devel-announce to be read be every DD, even the ones which are almost-MIA, in the hope that they'd react to urgent stuff. If there'll be a lot more of infrastructural messages (which I fully approve of per se) on -devel-announce, some of them might feel annoyed by them (if they're almost-MIA, they're probably not interested whether the BTS moves from master to spohr or whatever) and unsubscribe from -devel-announce. Thus I'd rather see an -infrastructure list (but that is partly due to the fact that I'm not subscribed to -devel right now). More general infrastructural messages with permanent or critical impact should still be CC'd to -devel-announce, regardless of -infrastructure, IMHO. Michael -- Michael Banck Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary.html
Re: Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
Hi, Am So, den 28.03.2004 schrieb Michael Banck um 16:41: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:06:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > I dunno. We *want* -devel-announce to be read be every DD, even the ones > which are almost-MIA, in the hope that they'd react to urgent stuff. If > there'll be a lot more of infrastructural messages (which I fully > approve of per se) on -devel-announce, some of them might feel annoyed > by them (if they're almost-MIA, they're probably not interested whether > the BTS moves from master to spohr or whatever) and unsubscribe from > -devel-announce. Thus I'd rather see an -infrastructure list (but that > is partly due to the fact that I'm not subscribed to -devel right now). I think that almost-MIAs that would unsubscribe because of these kind of messages would have done so already, considering the weekly automatic bug reports. Or do you expect the infrastructional messages to be more frequent than maybe one per week? I'm in favor for using d-d-a instead of creating yet another mailing list. nomeata -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Do we need a debian-infrastructure list?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:23:58PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am So, den 28.03.2004 schrieb Michael Banck um 16:41: > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:06:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > I dunno. We *want* -devel-announce to be read be every DD, even the ones > > which are almost-MIA, in the hope that they'd react to urgent stuff. If > > there'll be a lot more of infrastructural messages (which I fully > > approve of per se) on -devel-announce, some of them might feel annoyed > > by them (if they're almost-MIA, they're probably not interested whether > > the BTS moves from master to spohr or whatever) and unsubscribe from > > -devel-announce. Thus I'd rather see an -infrastructure list (but that > > is partly due to the fact that I'm not subscribed to -devel right now). > > I think that almost-MIAs that would unsubscribe because of these kind of > messages would have done so already, considering the weekly automatic > bug reports. Or do you expect the infrastructional messages to be more > frequent than maybe one per week? You can easily procmail those auto-generated messages away, and they have been around for years. But anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on this. Michael -- Michael Banck Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary.html
Re: Sid-specific list?
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:14:43 +0100 Mark Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would the list say anything different to what apt-listbugs produces? When I last looked at it, I found it wanting. But it looks reasonably decent now. I'll give it a try for a week or so, see how well it does in practice, before I ask for a new list to be created. -- Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you realise the pig is enjoying it. OpenPGP v4 key ID: 4096R/59DDCB9F Fingerprint: CC53 F124 35C0 7BC2 58FE 7A3C 157D DFD9 59DD CB9F Retreive from subkeys.pgp.net or risk key corruption
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