Where can I find the ramdisk image for sarge for Old World Macs?

[jrolland]

Hello, all!

After trying unsuccessfully to install Yellow Dog Linux on my Power
Macintosh 7500, I am trying Debian.

After seeing the daunting 14 CD isos, the #debian irc channel told me I
would only need the first 3, so that's all I burned for now.

The instruction on

claim that a ramdisk image named ramdisk.image.gz will be on the first
installation CD, but it isn't. There is one .gz file, but it is not a
ramdisk, I found out the hard way. The file linux.bin is also not there,
but the file vmlinux is a kernel, I found out the hard way.

Does anyone know where can I find the ramdisk image for Debian 3.1r2 for
Old World Macs?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Where can I find the ramdisk image for sarge for Old World Macs?

[jrolland]

Harold,

Ah-ha! initrd.img is the ramdisk!

Thank you so much.

I have tried to install Yellow Dog , and actually had it running, so I
believe I have the rest down, but I'll post more later.

Thanks again,
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> Jeffrey,
>
> You have what is referred to these days as an "OldWorld", a Mac that has a
> particular architecture which (currently) requires the use of a piece of
> software called BootX in order to boot into Linux.  (In the near future,
> it's possible you'll be able to boot and install Linux using another
> method;
> stay tuned for that.)
>
> I'll begin posting the installation procedure here, supposing you've never
> installed Debian (or any flavor of Linux) on your OldWorld Power Mac.  If
> anyone else reading this finds that I've missed a step or am doling out
> false information, please correct me.  Anyway, here goes nothing.
>
> First, you'll need to format your hard drive using Apple's system software
> (prior to OS X), creating at least two partitions.  I use OS 9 to do so,
> but
> I believe you can use earlier systems.  You'll simply need to have a basic
> booting Mac system, one that can load the BootX extension (which will in
> turn load your Linux system).  For example, I've had an OS 9 partition as
> small as 40MB that worked for installing and booting Ubuntu (which is
> Debian-based).  I'd recommend allowing for more space, however, if this is
> your first installation.  You'll never know which OS 9 software you may
> end
> up wishing to use -- for example, you may find that you'd like to use the
> Internet software at some point during the installation.  You may not
> *need*
> to access the Internet in order to install Debian, but you may find that
> it
> makes things easier for you.  It kind of depends on how you choose to
> perform a certain step in the installation -- namely, moving your Linux
> kernel (vmlinux) and ramdisk.image.gz (initrd.img) files back over to your
> Mac OS partition.  (More explanation later.)
>
> Okay, I have to jet.  Partition your disk, and later I'll post some more
> info.  (I'd post links to more info. now, but a quick search isn't
> revealing
> the resources seeking.)  Also, let us know your progress as this
> installation pans out.
>
> Harold J. Johnson
>
> On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello, all!
>>
>> After trying unsuccessfully to install Yellow Dog Linux on my Power
>> Macintosh 7500, I am trying Debian.
>>
>> After seeing the daunting 14 CD isos, the #debian irc channel told me I
>> would only need the first 3, so that's all I burned for now.
>>
>> The instruction on
>> <
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-oldworld
>> >
>> claim that a ramdisk image named ramdisk.image.gz will be on the first
>> installation CD, but it isn't. There is one .gz file, but it is not a
>> ramdisk, I found out the hard way. The file linux.bin is also not there,
>> but the file vmlinux is a kernel, I found out the hard way.
>>
>> Does anyone know where can I find the ramdisk image for Debian 3.1r2 for
>> Old World Macs?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> --
>> Jeffrey Rolland
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
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Where can I find the ramdisk image for sarge for Old World Macs?

[jrolland]

Hello, all!

After trying unsuccessfully to install Yellow Dog Linux on my Power
Macintosh 7500, I am trying Debian.

After seeing the daunting 14 CD isos, the #debian irc channel told me I
would only need the first 3, so that's all I burned for now.

The instruction on

claim that a ramdisk image named ramdisk.image.gz will be on the first
installation CD, but it isn't. There is one .gz file, but it is not a
ramdisk, I found out the hard way. The file linux.bin is also not there,
but the file vmlinux is a kernel, I found out the hard way.

Does anyone know where can I find the ramdisk image for Debian 3.1r2 for
Old World Macs?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Where can I find the ramdisk image for sarge for Old World Macs?

[jrolland]

Harold,

I didn't find an initrd.img, I found an initrd.gz and an initrd.info -
.info complains not a valid ramdisk, .gz gives me a blank screen. Could
you double check the names off the CD?

Will try .gz again, renaming to ramdisk.image.gz. In the meantime, can
someone find the woody directory for me?

Sincerely,
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Jeffrey Rolland
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> Yes, you'll be looking for two things:
>
> 1. vmlinux
> 2. initrd.img
>
> You'll find both of these on your Debian installer CD (probably the first
> CD) in a folder/directory called PowerPC.  What you'll need to do is first
> set up the BootX application to use both vmlinux and initrd (which you'll
> be
> renaming to ramdisk.image.gz).
>
> Let us know how it goes, if you will, and I'll be happy to continue
> posting
> the installation procedure.  I've been meaning to do this anyway, for my
> own
> reference as much as anyone else's.
>
> Harold
>
>
> On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Harold,
>>
>> Ah-ha! initrd.img is the ramdisk!
>>
>> Thank you so much.
>>
>> I have tried to install Yellow Dog , and actually had it running, so I
>> believe I have the rest down, but I'll post more later.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> --
>> Jeffrey Rolland
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > Jeffrey,
>> >
>> > You have what is referred to these days as an "OldWorld", a Mac that
>> has
>> a
>> > particular architecture which (currently) requires the use of a piece
>> of
>> > software called BootX in order to boot into Linux.  (In the near
>> future,
>> > it's possible you'll be able to boot and install Linux using another
>> > method;
>> > stay tuned for that.)
>> >
>> > I'll begin posting the installation procedure here, supposing you've
>> never
>> > installed Debian (or any flavor of Linux) on your OldWorld Power
>> Mac.  If
>> > anyone else reading this finds that I've missed a step or am doling
>> out
>> > false information, please correct me.  Anyway, here goes nothing.
>> >
>> > First, you'll need to format your hard drive using Apple's system
>> software
>> > (prior to OS X), creating at least two partitions.  I use OS 9 to do
>> so,
>> > but
>> > I believe you can use earlier systems.  You'll simply need to have a
>> basic
>> > booting Mac system, one that can load the BootX extension (which will
>> in
>> > turn load your Linux system).  For example, I've had an OS 9 partition
>> as
>> > small as 40MB that worked for installing and booting Ubuntu (which is
>> > Debian-based).  I'd recommend allowing for more space, however, if
>> this
>> is
>> > your first installation.  You'll never know which OS 9 software you
>> may
>> > end
>> > up wishing to use -- for example, you may find that you'd like to use
>> the
>> > Internet software at some point during the installation.  You may not
>> > *need*
>> > to access the Internet in order to install Debian, but you may find
>> that
>> > it
>> > makes things easier for you.  It kind of depends on how you choose to
>> > perform a certain step in the installation -- namely, moving your
>> Linux
>> > kernel (vmlinux) and ramdisk.image.gz (initrd.img) files back over to
>> your
>> > Mac OS partition.  (More explanation later.)
>> >
>> > Okay, I have to jet.  Partition your disk, and later I'll post some
>> more
>> > info.  (I'd post links to more info. now, but a quick search isn't
>> > revealing
>> > the resources seeking.)  Also, let us know your progress as this
>> > installation pans out.
>> >
>> > Harold J. Johnson
>> >
>> > On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello, all!
>> >>
>> >> After trying unsuccessfully to install Yellow Dog Linux on my Power
>> >> Macintosh 7500, I am trying Debian.
>> >>
>> >> After seeing the daunting 14 CD isos, the #debian irc channel told me
>> I
>> >> would only need the first 3, so that's all I burned for now.
>> >>
>> >> The instruction on
>> >> <
>> >>
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-oldworld
>> >> >
>> >> claim that a ramdisk image named ramdisk.image.gz will be on the
>> first
>> >> installation CD, but it isn't. There is one .gz file, but it is not a
>> >> ramdisk, I found out the hard way. The file linux.bin is also not
>> there,
>> >> but the file vmlinux is a kernel, I found out the hard way.
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone know where can I find the ramdisk image for Debian
>> 3.1r2for
>> >> Old World Macs?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >> --
>> >> Jeffrey Rolland
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>
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Re: Problems with Dial-up on Old World Mac

[jrolland]

> Jeffrey Rolland wrote:
>> Hello, all!
>>
>> I have a Power Macintosh 7500 running Debian Sarge. I have a US
>> Robotics 56.6K modem.
>>
>> When I try to dial up, Debian gets the modem to dial, and the modem
>> negotiates a connection, but then the remote computer can't hear
>> anything Debian says, and Debian can't hear anything the remote
>> computer says. I have tested with KPPP and C-Kermit, and on two
>> different PAP authenticating ISPs and on two BBS - same thing.
>>
>> Using the same computer and modem with Mac OS 8.6, I am able to log
>> into both the ISPs and the BBSs. Thus, I don't believe the problem is
>> the modem.
>>
>> On a possibly related note, I am unable to detect an Apple
>> Laserwriter 4/600 PS I have hooked up via ethernet, an ethernet
>> switch, and an AsanteTalk ethertalk-to-localtalk bridge. Again, it
>> prints just fine from the same computer running Mac OS 8.6 and from
>> an iBook G3 running OS 10.4.8 hooked up the the ethernet switch.
>> Thus, I don't believe the problem is the AsanteTalk bridge.
>
> If this USR is a sportster, that is an init string that you need to give
> it
> or you will run into problems like this.  I don't remember what it was off
> the top of my head, but it is the modem (according to past experiences
> with
> USR modems)

It is indeed a sportster.. If you could remember the init string or tell
me where to look it up, I would be eternally grateful.

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Re: Problems with Dial-up on Old World Mac

[jrolland]

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Jeffrey Rolland wrote:
>> On a possibly related note, I am unable to detect an Apple
>> Laserwriter 4/600 PS I have hooked up via ethernet, an ethernet
>> switch, and an AsanteTalk ethertalk-to-localtalk bridge. Again, it
>> prints just fine from the same computer running Mac OS 8.6 and from
>> an iBook G3 running OS 10.4.8 hooked up the the ethernet switch.
>> Thus, I don't believe the problem is the AsanteTalk bridge.
>>
>> It almost appears that Debian just doesn't want to talk over the
>> localnet wires - but I'm not using localtalk! It doesn't make sense
>> to me.
>
> You don't say much about how you tried to use the Laserwriter. You might
> want to post the output of nbplkup or some of the other appletalk
> utilities to help debug the problem.
>
>   Brad Boyer
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Brad,

The output of nbplkup is null. It doesn't appear to be sending traffic
though the localnet.

One interesting point is that I sometimes have my iBook running OS 10.4.8
hooked up via ethernet to an ethernet switch (which the ethernet switch is
then hooked up to the 7500 and to the AsanteTalk bridge) and I am unable
to see the iBook via nbplkup or any other means from  Debian, I am unable
to see the Debian box from "Browse Network" in the iBook, but if I choose
"Connect to Server" and input the Debian box's IP address in the iBook, I
*am* able to log into the Debian box, which acts as an AppleTalk server. I
dunno if that has any bearing, but just in case it might ...

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Re: Problems with Dial-up on Old World Mac

[jrolland]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > If this USR is a sportster, that is an init string that you need to
>> give
>> > it
>> > or you will run into problems like this.  I don't remember what it was
>> off
>> > the top of my head, but it is the modem (according to past experiences
>> > with
>> > USR modems)
>>
>> It is indeed a sportster.. If you could remember the init string or tell
>> me where to look it up, I would be eternally grateful.
>
> Here is the string I used on a 56k sportster at work:
> AT&F&C1&D2S11=50&B1
>
> I believe &B1 is the part that makes it work for me.  S11=50 makes the
> modem
> dial as fast as it can.  You may not want this especially if your phone co
> can't handle it.
>
> You should verify the commands with the manual before blindly using the
> one
> I gave you.

IT WORKED!! (Well, sorta ...)

I couldn't find my manual (only the manual for an old SupraExpress), so I
had to try your init string "blindly".

AT&F&B1 didn't work, so I tried AT&F&C1&D2&B1 - and IT WORKED!

Unfortunately, my "system adminstrator" (the guy at the Linux Users' Group
who helped me set up my system) has my Debian box set up as a DHCP (sp?)
server (so that I can log into my Debian box from my iBook using the
"Connect to Server" in the Finder) so I wan't immediately able to use the
connection (at least, I believe the DHCP server settings were the
problem). I'll have to contact the "system administrator" about what to do
now, but it definitely did log into my ISP.

I could kiss you, WW! Thanks so much!

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Re: Problems with Dial-up on Old World Mac

[jrolland]

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 07:25:30PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> The output of nbplkup is null. It doesn't appear to be sending traffic
>> though the localnet.
>>
>> One interesting point is that I sometimes have my iBook running OS
>> 10.4.8
>> hooked up via ethernet to an ethernet switch (which the ethernet switch
>> is
>> then hooked up to the 7500 and to the AsanteTalk bridge) and I am unable
>> to see the iBook via nbplkup or any other means from  Debian, I am
>> unable
>> to see the Debian box from "Browse Network" in the iBook, but if I
>> choose
>> "Connect to Server" and input the Debian box's IP address in the iBook,
>> I
>> *am* able to log into the Debian box, which acts as an AppleTalk server.
>> I
>> dunno if that has any bearing, but just in case it might ...
>
> It's possible that you don't have the appletalk protocol setup correctly
> for some reason. The afpd process will run just fine and serve files over
> an IP based connection even without appletalk. Check to see if the process
> atalkd is running, and if the appletalk module is loaded into the kernel.
>
> $ ps auxww | grep atalkd | grep -v grep
> root  4051  0.0  0.0  2028  692 ?SOct04   0:00
> /usr/sbin/atalkd
> $ lsmod | grep appletalk
> appletalk  54356  20
>
>   Brad Boyer
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Brad,

I gave the commands you asked

$ ps auxww | grep atalkd | grep -v grep
root  1308  0.0  0.0  2028  688 ?S17:43   0:00
/usr/sbin/atalkd
$ lsmod | grep appletalk
appletalk  43456  18

and both appear to be working properly. I really believe that this problem
has to do with network not being passed across the AsanteTalk - but I
don't believe  the AsanteTalk is faulty (if that makes any sense). I think
there's some black magic voodoo (like the init string with the modem) that
I'm missing. The AsanteTalk works fine with Mac OS 8.6 and 10.4.8.

One UseNet post I found claimed his AsanteTalk only worked with Linux if
some traffic was passed over it first (via MacOS). The manual for the
AsanteTalk claims that the AsanteTalk must be the last device started.
While neither of these solutions worked for me, I believe it is something
like this.

One thing that may be useful to you is that when Debian starts, it claims
it is starting AppleTalk (and that this may take a while). Then it claims
that nbp_register (sp?) timed out trying to register
computername:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and something else (I didn't write it down, but
I can try if it is relevant). Is this helpful?

Thanks for your help.

Sincerely,
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