OF setting for Quik booting in a 7200
Could I please have your help? I have three Macs which I intend to use with Debian. I'm experienced in IBM PC-compatibles installations but never succeeded in a RISC one - have already tried a Digital Alpha and a beige G3. Now I have a 7200/75 from which I eliminated any HFS traces thru the i command in mac-fdisk. I booted it with diskettes (the ones with kernel 2.2.17) and performed the installation up to almost the end. Then I've tryed nvsetenv but it failed not finding /dev/nvram. Any ideas? Also, if there are docs besides the ones in http://debian.org./ and the CD I would like to know. TIA! --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
Re: OF setting for Quik booting in a 7200
> From: Ethan Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:51:40PM -0200, Leandro Dutra wrote: > > Could I please have your help? I have three Macs which > I intend to > > use with Debian. I'm experienced in IBM PC-compatibles > installations but > > never succeeded in a RISC one - have already tried a > Digital Alpha and a > > beige G3. > > > > Now I have a 7200/75 from which I eliminated any HFS > traces thru the > > i command in mac-fdisk. I booted it with diskettes (the > ones with kernel > > 2.2.17) and performed the installation up to almost the > end. Then I've > > tryed nvsetenv but it failed not finding /dev/nvram. > > > > Any ideas? Also, if there are docs besides the ones in > > http://debian.org./ and the CD I would like to know. > > you must have older boot floppies: > > cd /dev > mknod nvram c 10 144 Instead I found a message stating I first needed to do chroot /target. That did it, I could do nvsetenv all right now. > that should do it, the device path is scsi/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0 iirc. for > internal > stock scsi drive. But the SCSI id is 3, wouldn't that make it scsi/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0? And the partition I created for / was /dev/sda3. That would make the file path scsi/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:3:/vmlinuz? Now I think that I screwed it. Instead of using ofpath, I tryed to use the Mac device paths as above and now the machine doesn't boot neither from the floppy nor from the hard disk. I also directed output to screen, but that also failed and I can see nothing anymore. Neither Cmd+Opt+O+F neither Cmd+Opt+Shf+Del work anymore. Isn't there a way of restoring OpenFirmware to default settings? SOL... stupid me! --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
Re: help
> From: Chris Bryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > As far as word processing goes, I think StarOffice is the most popular > choice for Linux in general... if you think about it, let me > know if you get > it installed, because I'm not sure about compatibility :) StarOffice 5.2 I think doesn't have an Linux PPC binary or a source distribution; but the alpha version of StarOffice 6, called OpenOffice is available. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
Re: help
> From: Sven LUTHER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 12:09:24AM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 09:00:51AM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > > > > is it sufficiently free to be a Debian package ? > > > > OpenOffice yes, StarOffice no. > > StarOffice don't compile on PPC, form what I have heard, Last time I checked I think *OpenOffice* build 613 compiled, if I read it right. StarOffice 4.X had a Mac OS port, and that was all. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
Re: successes on several fronts
Andrew, what exactly was the problem that led you to create new boot floppies? --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: External Modems
> From: Mike Fedyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I have a bunch of external Mac modems that use the > printer/modem port on a Mac. > > I'm wondering if I can use any of them for a fax/modem server. > > Are they supported by Linux? Do I just need to plug it in > and type "AT" to test > or does it use some other protocol? Yes, all modems are Hayes compatible. Fax/modem software will usually stick to the standard AT Hayes commands. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: External Modems
> From: Mike Fedyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Do you know if I'll be able to chain any modems together? > Using one modem port > for two modems... Is that possible? Don't know enough, but how would you choose to which modem to send a signal? What you could do is getting a PCI adapter with multiple RS-422A (is this the correct name of the Mac serial port) connectors and attach one modem to each port. But I don't even know if such adapters exist. They are fairly common in the IBM-compatible world, the Cyclades ones even are made by Linux-friendly (and Brazilian!) people. > I saw an UPS that chained it's connection to a bunch of Macs. > Maybe that's just > for one way broadcast... Looks like you are right. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: NEWBIE: bootdisk for powermac
> From: Sebastiaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Is this not strange, I always thought Apple hated M$? Many Apple users do, but most depend on M$ Office. Now for Apple itself... Gates and Jobs are rumoured to be friends, and their world views are more similar than people realise. Both of them are big-time monopolists - it's just that Jobs has stuck himself as monopolist of a small niche; both of them have eschewed open systems whenever possible (Gates dumped Xenix when M$ got enough power, Jobs only adopted BSD and GNU when he couldn't possibly deliver his own proprietary solution, for example), both want to be - and are - dirty rich. See that M$ hasn't yet dumped Mac Office, but their OS/2 counterparts are long gone into the dustbin of History. Anyway the brokenness of OpenFirmware in OldWorld Macs is proof enough that Apple wasn't really in love with open systems, just used OF because it needed something working fast - all right, probably the aborted IBM agreements had something to do with this one. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: X 4.0.2 issues...
> From: Sergio Brandano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Was X version 4 supposed to be that magic next step, The magic here is yours only. > where companies like ATi and Matrox could make > their own drivers? Was X version 4 supposed to have Could and can. Doesn't mean they will, even if they should. In fact, they could make their own servers before - they didn't because they wanted to make them proprietary and few people would accept a proprietary server. > a mechanism for which these drivers could be added > modularly with no need to hack the main code? Was And it has. It is called drivers. Before X had no drivers, just monolithic servers. > that one of the reasons why we could not have a free > version of X Version 4? If so, why is that we are We have a free version of XFree. In fact, XFree is free, that's where it got its name. Now the X reference implementation (because X itself is just the specs) at a time was to become proprietary, but they reversed it (mainly because XFree devs and users cried out) and the X Reference Implementations remain free up to now. What people expected is that we would have some extra proprietary drivers in addition to the free ones. But AFAIK the only vendor doing proprietary X drivers is NVidia, and then only for the i386 architecture. Thanks God, because I'd rather have everything GPL'd, no more free riders. > now having this problem in running an ATi driver? Because you and me are too lazy to debug and improve the existing driver, and we don't step up to ATi and demand they create one or fix the existing one. Perhaps because no one has yet convinced ATi they could sell more boards if there was a good free driver for them. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: Pushing up daisies...
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Does anyone know a quick fix (opening the unit is not an > issue, I replaced What about opening the machine, disconnecting the power cable from the hard disk drive, booting from a diskette, and then shutting down the machine? This should reset the Open Firmware. Just remember not to try to disconnect or connect the IDE cable with the hard disk spinning, and *if* you try to reconnect the power cable with the machine running be extra carefult, I almost fried my 233 MHz G3 by touching the right-hand side of the connector plug into the wrong pin in the disk drive. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: Pushing up daisies...
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In newsgate.debian.powerpc, Leandro Dutra wrote: > > >What about opening the machine, disconnecting the power > cable from > > the hard disk drive, booting from a diskette, and then > shutting down the > > machine? This should reset the Open Firmware. > > The iBook doesn't have a floppy drive :/ What about being nice and substituting CD for floppy, as you probably have done in your mind already? > It's not actually getting as far as booting any media. I > think what I've > done is set the entry point for open firmware to a location > in memory that > isn't where OF starts. > > Since OF can't start, it can't enter the boot code that starts any OS. > And since the OF variables are stored in flashrom, resetting > it could be a > problem. Maybe I'm naive, but why then your disk drive and CD would spin? Aren't they spinned by OpenFirware, or just by having power applied to them? I wouldn't think you could alter the entry point for Open Firmware, but that you could alter the initialization process after Open Firmware has started. Booting from CD, or simply don't booting maybe will do the trick. AFAIK, the trick is getting to boot without the hard disk attached so that OF will try the default initialization methods, namely the CD or floppy. But maybe I've just misunderstood the method. Anyway no hurt in trying. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL > > -- > rob off list/ng replies: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: Pushing up daisies...
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Could very well be completely wrong, judging from what I read here: > http://bananajr6000.apple.com/1275/proposals/Closed/Withdrawn/ > 315-it.txt Sorry, you outsmarted me now. Do you mean somewhere in this text there's somehing I don't understand to the effect you can use Open Firmware to make a machine useless by sidestepping Open Firmware itself? Canny... I think you will have to stick to leave your motherboard power starved for half an hour... --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: Pushing up daisies...
> From: Mike Fedyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP)" > > Does that mean that the open specs from IBM have hardware > made from them, or is > this something else? It was the set of standards created for Power PC computers that would be made by various manufacturers and run OS/2, Mac OS and AIX. Actually no one ever really conformed to CHRP, except IBM itself... or did they? How I miss the mass-market CHRP boards IBM promised us! --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
CHRP (Was: Pushing up daisies...)
> From: Geert Uytterhoeven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Leandro Dutra wrote: > > > From: Mike Fedyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > "Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP)" > > > > > > > It was the set of standards created for Power PC computers that > > would be made by various manufacturers and run OS/2, Mac OS and AIX. > > And Solaris... Yes, and perhaps NT too - the PowerPC version of NT was ARC (Advanced RISC Computer) compatible, perhaps it would need another HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer, a fancy name for a port and relevant drivers). In fact the AIM (Apple, IBM, Motorola) intended that PowerPC and CHRP would replace the "IBM-PC compatible" i386 platform, but enabling far more powerful OS's than Windows. > IBM didn't want to produce the boards themselves. They just > provided a reference > implementation. It's (a.o.?) Tatung and Umax that are to > blame, for not wanting > to produce those boards (they didn't believe in Linux) after > Steve Jobs killed > Mac OS for CHRP... At the time GNU/Linux wasn't really on the radar. Up to this very day it wouldn't be feasible to produce a totally new platform alternative to i386 just on the grounds of "Linux runs it". If there was also other popular OS's perhaps, but just GNU/Linux not yet. IBM itself was to blame, because it killed OS/2 PowerPC and never bothered to try to mass-market AIX as Sun tried (to no avail) with the entry-level SPARC workstations, or Microsoft almost succeeded with Xenix. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: 164sx PROBLEMS
> From: Anish Patel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with out a problem. This is on a 164SX that's booting and EB > variant kernel > from the SRM console. Isn't this an Alpha problem? --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RE: 164sx PROBLEMS
> From: Grant Grundler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Anish Patel" wrote: > > how is it an Alpha problem, when i can load up FreeBSD but > not Linux, > > points to something wrong in the IDE driver for the alpha > doesn't it now. > > Anish, > Leandro suggested it's a problem specific to the Alpha Linux port > and not a HW problem specific to your machine. > I think his msg also implied it doesn't need to be broadcast to all > Debian ports. I don't know. I think there was a mistake... the problem is that he sent a help request to debian-powerpc, while his issue was with debian-alpha. Wrong mailing list, only that, I do not even use Debian Alpha. He would get better help if he subscribes to debian-alpha. --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 8913 coml X http://terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra (E-mail).vcf Description: Binary data
RES: Hello!
> is there an archive of this list anywhere? I could not find it... http://debian.org./Lists-Archives/ Enjoy! Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda http://www.terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/
RES: About PowerPC processors
> Hi, I'm just wondering what kind of hardware I can buy to > build a Linux > machine around for example a G4-processor. I don't want to G4s are not yet available as far as I know. > buy an ordinary > Macintosh. I have always built my own computers with the > things I like, but Motorola has some interesting PCI motherboards with SCSI integrated. > I have always based them on a Intel-processor. I thought it > was time to try > something else, and I read about the new powerful > Motorola/IBM PowerPC > processor-family. Could you please give me some tips about Not so knew, they have already many years in the market. It is already a stabilished and proven architecture. > what processor I > should buy, and what kind of things I should buy around it, I think the only one available for general purpose computers is the G3 generation... even the cheapest G3 should be a very fast machine to run GNU/Linux under. > for example > motherboard, memory, graphics adapter... and so on, that I Memory should now be around 32 to 64 MBs, more than that only if you will run some big fat program like heavy graphics or databases. Graphics adapter, check http://xfree.org./ and http://www.dartmouth.edu/~jonh/lppc-serve/cache/60.html Ah, and first thing http://debian.org./ports/powerpc/ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
About PowerPC processors
> > Motorola has some interesting PCI motherboards with > SCSI integrated. > > Where can these be purchased? Does any manufacturer sell > non-Macintosh PowerPC systems on which Linux/PPC can be run? I've read about them probably at http://slashdot.org./ or http://mot.com./ -- search and good luck! Some time ago both Motorola and IBM sold PPC systems, do not know if they still do. Wished I could have bought these little babies at Brazil -- Macs are *very* expensive here! Ah, here it is: http://slashdot.org/articles/99/02/09/2210244.shtml Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
About PowerPC processors
This is more a curiosity for me, since I'm at Brasil and it is not feasible to bring this equipment here... But at http://www.mcg.mot.com I've found only 604 motherboards, no G3s; and the systems are just rack-mounted servers. Similarly from IBM I've found just servers and workstations, nothing comparable in price and features with an Apple or PC. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
Printing, USB and Centronics...
Here is a somewhat hypotethical question... I have a PowerMac G3 233 (beige) and a Canon BJC-600 printer. Now the printer is Centronics (parallel) only, while the Mac has PCI slots and ADB ports but no Centronics. In MacOS I could buy PowerPrint Plus which is an ADB to Centronics adapter together with printing drivers. What I could do in GNU/Linux? I thought of buying a PCI to USB card and an USB to Centronics adapter, and then printing thru Ghostscript, but I would like to know beforehands if this has a chance of working. That is, assuming USB is working in the PowerPC under Linux or shortly will be. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
RES: Lombard
> I am currently using LinuxPPC. Are the two > developments independent? The same kernel, different installers, package managers and package file formats. Debian uses the *.deb packages and dpkg package manager, LinuxPPC uses *.rpm and the RPM Red Hat Package Manager. There's some confusion added because sometimes people refer to LinuxPPC as the name of the monolithic (commom) kernel of Linux compiled for the PowerPC, and that's the same kernel Debian uses, but LinuxPPC is really the name of the PowerPC Linux Red Hat-based distribution. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
RES: About PowerPC processors
> Phillip> Maybe we should all band together, chip in, and start our > Phillip> own company selling PowerPC machines. ;) > > You say that in jest, but that's not such a bad idea. Would you be able to export some units into Brazil? :) Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda http://www.terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/
About PowerPC processors
> They are, unfortunately. And I wouldn't bother with Penguin Computing. > IIRC, they were the company that thinks WinModems that work with > Linux are a really great idea. }:P It is a great idea, but not for Penguin's target market of high reliability. It would be great for things like appliances and $200 computers, where you don't care for CPU use. For example, Amiga would find them good for A500-class machines, but not for A4000-class ones. The problem with Penguin providing PowerPC boxen is that they adopt a policy of restricting the range of software and hardware provided in order to ease the quality assurance. For example, they won't install anything but RedHat. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda http://www.terravista.pt./Enseada/1989/
RES: About PowerPC processors
> petitions/"I would order X machines" type things), it might > be possible to > get VA interested.. Other companies interesting to ask for our machines would be the ones with Debian experience. I remember VA once sold Debian machines, don't know now. There are also that laptop folks who standardized on Debian. Other than these I don't know. Some time ago there was a Debian system vendors page, couldn't find it in the site anymore. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
About PowerPC processors
> I was told by a VA rep that they were considering supporting Debian > again. Reportedly, internally they are mostly Debian :). It seems that many people who want to get real work done are going for Debian... we should sell ourselves better. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
Apple vs. IBM
> In light of the recent board discussion, I decided to price some full > PowerPC systems. Check it out at > http://www.corplinux.com/powerpenguin if your > interested. Your link at IBM is broken, since it was for your personal shopping cart only. But are you considering different memory architectures, buses and video cards? AFAIK these factor much more into the equipment prices than clock speed or memory amount. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
RES: Apple vs. IBM
> 3. Sun Ultra5 machines (which start at $2400) outsell 43P150 > machines by a > large margin. All right, but last time I searched Ultra5 was an IDE, limited upgrade machine... 256 colors only! > not workstations. If service and support are so expensive, > they should be > made an option just like extra memory. Personally, I still True! That's what I'd love to see: workstation class machines running GNU/Linux or GNU/Hurd with service and support charged as options. > contend that IBM > is out of touch when it comes to Un*x workstations. Even the 43P140 is > overpriced if you look at how much they charge for components. IBM never made (only) small mistakes, did they? Proprietary MCA, handling of OS/2, PS/2 prices... But I still would like to see a more in-depth comparision of the RS/6000 and the G3 Macs. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
RES: HURD on ppc
De: Chris Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Is anyone working on/thinking of porting HURD to powerpc? I follow the HURD kernel cousin bulletin... what I've read there is that Hurd for now is strictly x86, even if it is being made with portability in mind. The ultimate goal is that Hurd's microkernel, modular architecture will make it even more portable and scalable than the Linux kernel. Also it seems that people are thinking of changing gnumach for something else as a microkernel. This could delay the porting into other platforms. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
HURD on ppc
De: Jeramy B Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think that with Darwin in development and mkLinux R1 coming > soon, the > impetus for a Hurd-PPC won't be very high. The microkernel > unix for PPC pool > is already crowded. Visit mkLinux.org for more info on Only that MkLinux and Darwin aren't really microkernel systems in the Hurd sense. Both run BSD on Mach, while the HURD is a set of servers which together provide all services a traditional Unix provides, and more. MkLinux and Darwin are quite restricted to the BSD feature set. Sure the pool isn't big, most people are satisfied with traditional Unix. But it is a separate, almost exclusive Hurd pool. > - Original Message - > From: Hartmut Koptein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > A 'port' is on the way or allready available, but not (yet) for > > debian. This will be done after the release of potato. Ah, and Debian *is* the Hurd distribution... since Hurd isn't just a kernel, but *the* GNU system. That is, most Hurd development these days *seems* to be in Debianspace. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda
Re: PowerPC CDs on hold, awaiting new floppies
> De: Philip Hands [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi, > > > > Sparc is still appearing as I type, and I'll need to do > powerpc after > > that, but otherwise the images are available via rsync here: > > I've been told that the current powerpc floppies are broken, so am not > bothering with TC3 images until someone tells me that they're fixed. > > So, powerpc folks, when you've fixed them, tell me. As soon as the CDs are fit for use, I have a 6360 and a 7200 which will receive them... can someone burn them and send me a copy? --_ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra +55 (11) 246 96 07 resl \ / Amdocs Brasil Ltda, Sao Paulo +55 (11) 3040 4724 coml X http://www.terravista.pt/Enseada/1989/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Campanha fita ASCII, contra correio HTML BRASIL
DebPPC at Israel
I live at Brazil and am working at Israel for a few weeks. Now I need a Linux notebook, and instead of a Intel machine I thought of getting a Debian PPC CD and an used PowerBook. I can't buy new because later I won't be able to import a new computer into Brazil without much hassle and taxes. Therefore I need to know: 1) Is there any Israeli vendor of Debian CDs who could provide PPC CD of Slink? Or any European one who could deliver in one to two weeks? 2) Are there Israeli DebPPC (or LinuxPPC) user groups? 3) Does anyone knows if there is any reseller of used PPC machines in Israel? After leaving Israel I will go thru Europe -- Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Rome, Paris or London --, so if nothing is available here I could buy there also, but I'd rather buy here and now. TIA! Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra AUREC/Amdocs, Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda Yamit Hotel, room 514 79 Ha'yarkon Street Tel Aviv, Israel
