Re: Looking for a sponsor: geektool

[John Buttery]

* C?dric Gehin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-04 00:16:22 +0100]:
> geektool prints file's content on screen's background, in real time. It 
> allows 
> to keep any file on background, with any new line added to the file  
> automatically printed on screen. For exemple, you can use it to be informed 
> of system's message by printing /var/log/message.
> It allows to choose the geometry of output window, color of police, if you 
> want all the file or only next lines, and the refresh delay.

  This sounds a lot like a subset of "root-portal" and a clone of
"root-tail", which are already in Debian...

-- 
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GNU polyxmass: brand new lintian-linda-clean packages

[Filippo Rusconi]

Hi all,

Some days ago I asked if someone would help me assess if the packages
I prepared for the GNU polyxmass project were OK, and some kind soul
pointed me to some errors that were detected by lintian.

(This project is GPL'ed software, aimed at allowing user perform
simulations and analyzes of polymer mass spectrometric data.)

I've reworked the packages now and they are lintian-linda-clean unless
for two things:

1. the menu icon (that is limited to 24 colors using The Gimp) makes
   the verification programs complain about colors which are non
   correct. I could not find a solution to this problem and found on
   the web that lintian was buggy with this respect. Anyone ideas ?

2. the verification program also pretends that the detailed
   description might contain a non-indented section (control
   file). However, I could not find why there was this diagnostic.

Apart from those lintian W/E messages, the packages are clean.

I would be glad if someone was interested in that software, and would
try the packages that I made.

The packages should be apt-get'table from

deb http://www.polyxmass.org/debian-packages binary-i386/
deb-src http://www.polyxmass.org/debian-packages source/

I tried this with

# apt-get install polyxdef

and it correctly determined the dependencies on a virginal Debian
GNU/Linux machine, downloading everything needed (what a wonder !).

Overall, the fact that I had to prepare Debian packages certainly made
me improve the upstream material. That's clever, for a packaging
system!

Thanks for your help,

Bye,

--

Filippo

Mass spectrometry in GNU/Linux ? GNU polyxmass !

 www.gnu.org/software/polyxmass or www.polyxmass.org

  Free software that you are welcome to distribute!
   
  http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_freesoft/index.shtml



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Re: Packaging .deb vs .rpm - Re: C library for numerical analysis and math

[Florent Rougon]

Zenaan Harkness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyway, I know I wouldn't want to spend time learning _two_
> packaging systems - .deb (and .tar of course) are surely enough?

It seems you don't realize that converting from one packaging system to
another and hoping the results works correctly in most cases is doomed
to failure. Debian Policy is not Redhat Policy (if a such a thing
exists). This will suck. Definitely.

If you are upstream, I wouldn't advise you to prepare .deb and .rpm for
your programs unless you know the packaging system and distribution
*well*. Otherwise, the packages will suck. If the software is valuable,
someone is going to package it anyway.

-- 
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Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello there,

some of you might remember my name, I have already applied for a Debian
maintainer status some time ago, but dropped it because of personal time
issues.

I've been working with Debian for three years now and consider myself to be
very experienced regarding the system. I maintain several servers and
routers and even support datacenters using Debian systems. I've written down
about 100 pages of documentation for myself right now.

To show my enthusiasm and to be "a part of the community", I would like to
become an official Debian "developer". The reason why I wrote developer in
quotation marks is that I'm not a programmer all the way. I can "hack" down
some scripts, but that's not my best job.

Mainly, I would like support the marketing and user support area, especially
focussing on Germans educational and governmental institutions, as I already
have experience in that field. I work together closely with some schools (on
a honorary basis, so I don't do this commercially) and plan to extend my
work.

My question to you is: Is this already sufficient for an application, or do
I need to do all those technical skills tests like packaging, which I do not
need, as I don't want to contribute in that area?

Would like to be a part of the community and I hope someone can help me :-)

Thanks!
-- florian

Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Joe Nahmias]

Hello Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> I've been working with Debian for three years now and consider myself to be
> very experienced regarding the system. I maintain several servers and
> routers and even support datacenters using Debian systems. I've written down
> about 100 pages of documentation for myself right now.

Wow!  That's certainly impressive.

> To show my enthusiasm and to be "a part of the community", I would like to
> become an official Debian "developer". The reason why I wrote developer in
> quotation marks is that I'm not a programmer all the way. I can "hack" down
> some scripts, but that's not my best job.
> 
> Mainly, I would like support the marketing and user support area, especially
> focussing on Germans educational and governmental institutions, as I already
> have experience in that field. I work together closely with some schools (on
> a honorary basis, so I don't do this commercially) and plan to extend my
> work.
> 
> My question to you is: Is this already sufficient for an application, or do
> I need to do all those technical skills tests like packaging, which I do not
> need, as I don't want to contribute in that area?

There are many ways to contribute to Debian besides maintaining
packages.  In fact, the current NM process already has a number of
alternative tracks for those who are not interested in packaging.

AIUI, you follow the normal NM process, but when it comes time for the
Tasks & Skills check, you will get something different than a packager
will.  See  for more
information on this.  Also, you can ask on the debian-newmaint list, as
it is more appropriate for NM questions of this type [M-F-T set].

> Would like to be a part of the community and I hope someone can help me :-)

Thank you for your offer!

--Joe

Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Joe,

and thanks for your reply. Glad to hear that this could be possible! I'm
crossposting this reply to both lists. If someone gives me his OK to support
my application, I will start to enter my data on nm.debian.org ;-)

> There are many ways to contribute to Debian besides maintaining packages.
> In fact, the current NM process already has a number of alternative tracks
> for those who are not interested in packaging.
> AIUI, you follow the normal NM process, but when it comes time for the
> Tasks & Skills check, you will get something different than a packager
> will.  See  for more
> information on this.  Also, you can ask on the debian-newmaint list, as it
> is more appropriate for NM questions of this type [M-F-T set].

Looking forward of being a part of the community,
Florian

Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Thomas Viehmann]

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> crossposting this reply to both lists. If someone gives me his OK to support
> my application, I will start to enter my data on nm.debian.org ;-)
You should cooperate for a while with a DD already working on something
that you intend to be your primary field of contribution. Then that
person will advocate you. (Unless you think you're famous enough that
most people will advocate you immediately. Sometimes this seems to be
the case.)

Cheers

T.
-- 
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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Thomas,

> You should cooperate for a while with a DD already working on something
> that you intend to be your primary field of contribution. Then that
> person will advocate you. (Unless you think you're famous enough that
> most people will advocate you immediately. Sometimes this seems to be
> the case.)

Well, that's exactly the problem when you're not maintaining docs or
packages, nothing to prove what you're doing ;)

However, I hope this helps - some suggestions and bug reports:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=floeff%40arcor.de&archive=no

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=floeff%40web.de&archive=no

Hope that is okay so someone can support my application! :-)

Thanks
Florian

Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Thomas Viehmann]

Hi.

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hope that is okay so someone can support my application! :-)
Well, I'd probably tell you to stick around some more and try to submit
bugs with patches or do whatever you do. If you're not doing package
maintentance you'd probably not be in a hurry to become a developer
anyway. There's quite a few applicants or new maintainers that are
probably much wider known for their work on various areas (e.g. Joe,
Nathanial, Frank, ...).
OTOH, obviously someone advocated you last time around.
But I'm not a DD, so I have no say in it anyway.

Kind regards

Thomas
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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Thomas,

> Well, I'd probably tell you to stick around some more and try to submit
> bugs with patches or do whatever you do. If you're not doing package
> maintentance you'd probably not be in a hurry to become a developer
> anyway. There's quite a few applicants or new maintainers that are
> probably much wider known for their work on various areas (e.g. Joe,
> Nathanial, Frank, ...). OTOH, obviously someone advocated you last time
> around. But I'm not a DD, so I have no say in it anyway.

Well, I've been waiting for quite a while, and if I want to start more
projects with Debian, now it's time to become an official developer. :-)

So I hope someone on the list with appropriate permissions could help me *g*

Thanks!
Florian

Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On Sunday 08 February 2004 12:43, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> > Well, I'd probably tell you to stick around some more and try to submit
> > bugs with patches or do whatever you do. If you're not doing package
> > maintentance you'd probably not be in a hurry to become a developer
> > anyway. There's quite a few applicants or new maintainers that are
> > probably much wider known for their work on various areas (e.g. Joe,
> > Nathanial, Frank, ...). OTOH, obviously someone advocated you last time
> > around. But I'm not a DD, so I have no say in it anyway.
>
> Well, I've been waiting for quite a while, and if I want to start more
> projects with Debian, now it's time to become an official developer. :-)
>
> So I hope someone on the list with appropriate permissions could help me
> *g*
>

Not to sound negative but ..

What will you give to Debian directly?  We do not really have marketing people 
per se.

From your intro it looks like you could assist with the documentation 
projects.  Perhaps with the new installer docs?  We always need more and 
better documentation.

Debian likes new blood, really we do (-:

RFS: python-albatross (due to original sponsor's time constraints)

[Fabian Fagerholm]

Hello,

I'm looking for a temporary sponsor for the python-albatross package.
Due to time constraints, my original sponsor has been unable to upload
the package. I'm hoping someone could take a look at the package and
then upload it fairly quickly. I've progressed in NM queue and this
would be a one-time sponsorship only.

The package is temporarily available at
http://people.debian.org/~fabbe/tmp/albatross/ or I can send whatever
you need by email.

* Package name: albatross
  Version : 1.01
  Upstream Author : Object Craft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/
* License : BSD
  Description : a Toolkit for Stateful Web Applications

Albatross is a small and flexible Python toolkit for developing highly
stateful web applications. It includes, among other things:
 * An extensible HTML templating system similar to DTML that promotes
   separation of presentation and implementation.
 * The ability to place Python code for each page in a dynamically loaded
   module, or to place each page in its own class.
 * Optional sessions.
 * Deployment as CGI programs or mod_python modules.

Homepage: http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/

-- 
Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Sean,

> Not to sound negative but ..

> What will you give to Debian directly?  We do not really have marketing
> people per se.

> From your intro it looks like you could assist with the documentation
> projects.  Perhaps with the new installer docs?  We always need more and
> better documentation.

> Debian likes new blood, really we do (-:

Well - due to a lot of contacts I have and a lot of projects I support, I
might have good possibilites of getting more attention to Debian, especially
in the educational area in Germany. Doing that as an "official" Debian guy
is better than doing it as just a "fan" of Debian.

I can be your man! The fact that you don't have official marketing people
yet doesn't mean you can't have some in the future. What did you just say
about new blood? :-)

So, what do you think? :-)

-- florian

Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Joe Nahmias]

Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> From your intro it looks like you could assist with the documentation 
> projects.  Perhaps with the new installer docs?  We always need more and 
> better documentation.

Agreed.  I would recommend that Florian subscribe to the debian-boot
mailing list and see what you can do to assist the people putting
together the installation manual.  There's definitely alot of work that
needs to be done in this (release-) critical area and not many people
who are doing it.  So, that would be an ideal proving ground for getting
an advocate and into Debian.

Just my $0.02,
--Joe

Re: Looking for a sponsor: geektool

[John Buttery]

* C?dric Gehin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-04 00:16:22 +0100]:
> geektool prints file's content on screen's background, in real time. It allows 
> to keep any file on background, with any new line added to the file  
> automatically printed on screen. For exemple, you can use it to be informed 
> of system's message by printing /var/log/message.
> It allows to choose the geometry of output window, color of police, if you 
> want all the file or only next lines, and the refresh delay.

  This sounds a lot like a subset of "root-portal" and a clone of
"root-tail", which are already in Debian...

-- 
  John  ! Being a local sysadmin/network admin is different. It's your
 Buttery! baby, you get the call at 3am when things go bad, you make
www.io.c! sure that doesn't happen. Too bad employers don't see that..
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GNU polyxmass: brand new lintian-linda-clean packages

[Filippo Rusconi]

Hi all,

Some days ago I asked if someone would help me assess if the packages
I prepared for the GNU polyxmass project were OK, and some kind soul
pointed me to some errors that were detected by lintian.

(This project is GPL'ed software, aimed at allowing user perform
simulations and analyzes of polymer mass spectrometric data.)

I've reworked the packages now and they are lintian-linda-clean unless
for two things:

1. the menu icon (that is limited to 24 colors using The Gimp) makes
   the verification programs complain about colors which are non
   correct. I could not find a solution to this problem and found on
   the web that lintian was buggy with this respect. Anyone ideas ?

2. the verification program also pretends that the detailed
   description might contain a non-indented section (control
   file). However, I could not find why there was this diagnostic.

Apart from those lintian W/E messages, the packages are clean.

I would be glad if someone was interested in that software, and would
try the packages that I made.

The packages should be apt-get'table from

deb http://www.polyxmass.org/debian-packages binary-i386/
deb-src http://www.polyxmass.org/debian-packages source/

I tried this with

# apt-get install polyxdef

and it correctly determined the dependencies on a virginal Debian
GNU/Linux machine, downloading everything needed (what a wonder !).

Overall, the fact that I had to prepare Debian packages certainly made
me improve the upstream material. That's clever, for a packaging
system!

Thanks for your help,

Bye,

--

Filippo

Mass spectrometry in GNU/Linux ? GNU polyxmass !

 www.gnu.org/software/polyxmass or www.polyxmass.org

  Free software that you are welcome to distribute!
   
  http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_freesoft/index.shtml



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Re: Packaging .deb vs .rpm - Re: C library for numerical analysis and math

[Florent Rougon]

Zenaan Harkness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyway, I know I wouldn't want to spend time learning _two_
> packaging systems - .deb (and .tar of course) are surely enough?

It seems you don't realize that converting from one packaging system to
another and hoping the results works correctly in most cases is doomed
to failure. Debian Policy is not Redhat Policy (if a such a thing
exists). This will suck. Definitely.

If you are upstream, I wouldn't advise you to prepare .deb and .rpm for
your programs unless you know the packaging system and distribution
*well*. Otherwise, the packages will suck. If the software is valuable,
someone is going to package it anyway.

-- 
Florent


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低风险、高回报、介入教育市场的良机!

“金眼通”快速阅读远程训练系统是广州市天河区教育局、科技局“十五”规划课题的研究

成果之一，并通过广东省软件协会专家组的一致好评。“金眼通”将电脑多媒体、互联网和

专家指导系统等多种技术与快速阅读训练方法和大量的技巧结合在一起，在国内首创了“金

眼通”快速阅读远程训练系统，该系统全面提高了训练的效果，大大降低训练难度。通过国

内外3000多名的学员的验证，95%以上的训练者在40-60小时内，成功的将阅读速度提高了10

倍以上。2003年多所大学邀请我们做报告会，学生非常踊跃的参加了“金眼通”的培训，并

取得了很好的训练效果。
..
面对全国巨大的速读培训市场和发展前景。为了让各地更多的人，在当地就能咨询“金眼通

”的训练、交款和参加代理商举办的活动以及初始训练指导、辅导班等。我们首次公开向全

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良好的售后服务保障等有利于我们共同发展的政策体系。

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市场目标客户和分析：
“金眼通”目标客户群主要分为中小学生、大学生、白领人士和礼品赠送等。
2-1、学生：帮助学生提高学习能力和达到教育部要求的阅读速度，完成国家教育部课外阅读

量！
国家教育部学生阅读速度标准：
小学生（五、六年级）阅读速度   300字/分钟 理解率 70%以上
初中生  阅读速度   500字/分钟 理解率 70%以上 
高中生  阅读速度   600字/分钟 理解率 70%以上 
..
 调查和测试结果都表明：只有5%的学生达到这一要求。我国绝大部分学生和成人的阅读

能力都处于每分钟约200-300字之间。而这种阅读速度如何能完成国家教育部课外阅读量的标

准（小学生不少于145万字；初中生不少于405万字；高中生不少于555万字）目前各地都在想

方设法，完成教育部规定的课外阅读量。
..
面对巨大的学习和课外学习任务，学生们能完成吗？重要的是上海、江苏等地学生中考出题

于课外阅读相挂钩！如果将学生的阅读速度提高五倍、十倍，而且还能够同样快速记忆和理

解，换句话讲，能够只用几分之一的时间，学得同样、甚至更多的东西，考试自然没问题。

提高学生的学习能力和阅读效率。――这就是“金眼通”快速阅读的目的！

2-2、白领：面对强大工作压力和晋升压力，要学的东西太多太多了，一不充电就怕自己的工

作潜在危机感。但时间那么有限，只有下班后的“散碎银两”，如何能一一学完呢？维一的

办法是提高单位时间的效率，而学习的最有效方式之一是大量阅读。因为通过大量的阅读才

能构建你厚实的知识背景及知识网络，才能发挥你的能力。从而得到提升的机会。
.
2-3、礼品赠送：目标客户是政府、企业、社团、个人等。
中国送礼的习惯源远流长从送烟送酒过渡到20世纪未送健康， 21世纪信息时代送礼送学习能

力，将是一种新的时尚！
..
信息时代的挑战：
应该说，现时代完全可以称为“信息时代”。每天大量的媒体制造出数以亿万计的印刷品，

一份日报或晚报动辄数十版、数百版毫不奇怪，而且每天发行的不同报纸也成百上千之多。

除了资讯泛滥以外，知识更新的速度在现时代也是惊人。互联网信息技术为我们提供了更多

的信息、知识，使我们补充知识更加便利了。但同时我们也被知识信息淹没了！“阅读”是

各种知识学习的最主要途径，若依靠传统阅读法来阅读，便会出现还没阅读完已经过时了。




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Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello there,

some of you might remember my name, I have already applied for a Debian
maintainer status some time ago, but dropped it because of personal time
issues.

I've been working with Debian for three years now and consider myself to be
very experienced regarding the system. I maintain several servers and
routers and even support datacenters using Debian systems. I've written down
about 100 pages of documentation for myself right now.

To show my enthusiasm and to be "a part of the community", I would like to
become an official Debian "developer". The reason why I wrote developer in
quotation marks is that I'm not a programmer all the way. I can "hack" down
some scripts, but that's not my best job.

Mainly, I would like support the marketing and user support area, especially
focussing on Germans educational and governmental institutions, as I already
have experience in that field. I work together closely with some schools (on
a honorary basis, so I don't do this commercially) and plan to extend my
work.

My question to you is: Is this already sufficient for an application, or do
I need to do all those technical skills tests like packaging, which I do not
need, as I don't want to contribute in that area?

Would like to be a part of the community and I hope someone can help me :-)

Thanks!
-- florian


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Joe Nahmias]

Hello Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> I've been working with Debian for three years now and consider myself to be
> very experienced regarding the system. I maintain several servers and
> routers and even support datacenters using Debian systems. I've written down
> about 100 pages of documentation for myself right now.

Wow!  That's certainly impressive.

> To show my enthusiasm and to be "a part of the community", I would like to
> become an official Debian "developer". The reason why I wrote developer in
> quotation marks is that I'm not a programmer all the way. I can "hack" down
> some scripts, but that's not my best job.
> 
> Mainly, I would like support the marketing and user support area, especially
> focussing on Germans educational and governmental institutions, as I already
> have experience in that field. I work together closely with some schools (on
> a honorary basis, so I don't do this commercially) and plan to extend my
> work.
> 
> My question to you is: Is this already sufficient for an application, or do
> I need to do all those technical skills tests like packaging, which I do not
> need, as I don't want to contribute in that area?

There are many ways to contribute to Debian besides maintaining
packages.  In fact, the current NM process already has a number of
alternative tracks for those who are not interested in packaging.

AIUI, you follow the normal NM process, but when it comes time for the
Tasks & Skills check, you will get something different than a packager
will.  See  for more
information on this.  Also, you can ask on the debian-newmaint list, as
it is more appropriate for NM questions of this type [M-F-T set].

> Would like to be a part of the community and I hope someone can help me :-)

Thank you for your offer!

--Joe


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Joe,

and thanks for your reply. Glad to hear that this could be possible! I'm
crossposting this reply to both lists. If someone gives me his OK to support
my application, I will start to enter my data on nm.debian.org ;-)

> There are many ways to contribute to Debian besides maintaining packages.
> In fact, the current NM process already has a number of alternative tracks
> for those who are not interested in packaging.
> AIUI, you follow the normal NM process, but when it comes time for the
> Tasks & Skills check, you will get something different than a packager
> will.  See  for more
> information on this.  Also, you can ask on the debian-newmaint list, as it
> is more appropriate for NM questions of this type [M-F-T set].

Looking forward of being a part of the community,
Florian


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Thomas Viehmann]

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> crossposting this reply to both lists. If someone gives me his OK to support
> my application, I will start to enter my data on nm.debian.org ;-)
You should cooperate for a while with a DD already working on something
that you intend to be your primary field of contribution. Then that
person will advocate you. (Unless you think you're famous enough that
most people will advocate you immediately. Sometimes this seems to be
the case.)

Cheers

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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Thomas,

> You should cooperate for a while with a DD already working on something
> that you intend to be your primary field of contribution. Then that
> person will advocate you. (Unless you think you're famous enough that
> most people will advocate you immediately. Sometimes this seems to be
> the case.)

Well, that's exactly the problem when you're not maintaining docs or
packages, nothing to prove what you're doing ;)

However, I hope this helps - some suggestions and bug reports:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=floeff%40arcor.de&archive=no

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=floeff%40web.de&archive=no

Hope that is okay so someone can support my application! :-)

Thanks
Florian


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Thomas Viehmann]

Hi.

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hope that is okay so someone can support my application! :-)
Well, I'd probably tell you to stick around some more and try to submit
bugs with patches or do whatever you do. If you're not doing package
maintentance you'd probably not be in a hurry to become a developer
anyway. There's quite a few applicants or new maintainers that are
probably much wider known for their work on various areas (e.g. Joe,
Nathanial, Frank, ...).
OTOH, obviously someone advocated you last time around.
But I'm not a DD, so I have no say in it anyway.

Kind regards

Thomas
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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Thomas,

> Well, I'd probably tell you to stick around some more and try to submit
> bugs with patches or do whatever you do. If you're not doing package
> maintentance you'd probably not be in a hurry to become a developer
> anyway. There's quite a few applicants or new maintainers that are
> probably much wider known for their work on various areas (e.g. Joe,
> Nathanial, Frank, ...). OTOH, obviously someone advocated you last time
> around. But I'm not a DD, so I have no say in it anyway.

Well, I've been waiting for quite a while, and if I want to start more
projects with Debian, now it's time to become an official developer. :-)

So I hope someone on the list with appropriate permissions could help me *g*

Thanks!
Florian


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On Sunday 08 February 2004 12:43, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> > Well, I'd probably tell you to stick around some more and try to submit
> > bugs with patches or do whatever you do. If you're not doing package
> > maintentance you'd probably not be in a hurry to become a developer
> > anyway. There's quite a few applicants or new maintainers that are
> > probably much wider known for their work on various areas (e.g. Joe,
> > Nathanial, Frank, ...). OTOH, obviously someone advocated you last time
> > around. But I'm not a DD, so I have no say in it anyway.
>
> Well, I've been waiting for quite a while, and if I want to start more
> projects with Debian, now it's time to become an official developer. :-)
>
> So I hope someone on the list with appropriate permissions could help me
> *g*
>

Not to sound negative but ..

What will you give to Debian directly?  We do not really have marketing people 
per se.

From your intro it looks like you could assist with the documentation 
projects.  Perhaps with the new installer docs?  We always need more and 
better documentation.

Debian likes new blood, really we do (-:


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RFS: python-albatross (due to original sponsor's time constraints)

[Fabian Fagerholm]

Hello,

I'm looking for a temporary sponsor for the python-albatross package.
Due to time constraints, my original sponsor has been unable to upload
the package. I'm hoping someone could take a look at the package and
then upload it fairly quickly. I've progressed in NM queue and this
would be a one-time sponsorship only.

The package is temporarily available at
http://people.debian.org/~fabbe/tmp/albatross/ or I can send whatever
you need by email.

* Package name: albatross
  Version : 1.01
  Upstream Author : Object Craft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/
* License : BSD
  Description : a Toolkit for Stateful Web Applications

Albatross is a small and flexible Python toolkit for developing highly
stateful web applications. It includes, among other things:
 * An extensible HTML templating system similar to DTML that promotes
   separation of presentation and implementation.
 * The ability to place Python code for each page in a dynamically loaded
   module, or to place each page in its own class.
 * Optional sessions.
 * Deployment as CGI programs or mod_python modules.

Homepage: http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/

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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Sean,

> Not to sound negative but ..

> What will you give to Debian directly?  We do not really have marketing
> people per se.

> From your intro it looks like you could assist with the documentation
> projects.  Perhaps with the new installer docs?  We always need more and
> better documentation.

> Debian likes new blood, really we do (-:

Well - due to a lot of contacts I have and a lot of projects I support, I
might have good possibilites of getting more attention to Debian, especially
in the educational area in Germany. Doing that as an "official" Debian guy
is better than doing it as just a "fan" of Debian.

I can be your man! The fact that you don't have official marketing people
yet doesn't mean you can't have some in the future. What did you just say
about new blood? :-)

So, what do you think? :-)

-- florian


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Re: Is this sufficient for an application?

[Joe Nahmias]

Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> From your intro it looks like you could assist with the documentation 
> projects.  Perhaps with the new installer docs?  We always need more and 
> better documentation.

Agreed.  I would recommend that Florian subscribe to the debian-boot
mailing list and see what you can do to assist the people putting
together the installation manual.  There's definitely alot of work that
needs to be done in this (release-) critical area and not many people
who are doing it.  So, that would be an ideal proving ground for getting
an advocate and into Debian.

Just my $0.02,
--Joe


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