Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.
The message from 2005 seems to indicate it was produced using Illustrator, not Photoshop. Attached is an image I just created using Illustrator 14.0.0, my goal was to recreate the Debian logo. I used the 'rough charcoal' brush with the swirl tool. I didn't create the original Debian logo but it is clear to me that the same technique was used by whoever created Debian's swirl logo. As you can see, my swirl shares all the attributes of the Debian logo, but is not identical: mine has small three dabs at the end of the swirl in the center and the two dabs on the left of the swirl on the outside. Mine is not identical because the swirl path in the Debian logo is not the default, mine had to be tweaked slightly to get as close as it is. There is no question in my mind that the blue logo under debate is a copy of the Debian logo, followed by a color change. There are too many degrees of freedom (beginning of the swirl path, brush thickness, etc). Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > Can it really be "reasonable", in any sense of the word, to > > believe that this company would independently invent an identical > > logo, pixel for pixel, changing only the hue. > > No, not reasonable. Unless both copied from the same swirl. Which seems > reasonable. See > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/06/msg00340.html > and the associated image. > > I think we need someone with a copy of photoshop (hopefully the same > version) to check where the swirl is and how much the debian one > differs. > > /alessandro > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/20101201150626.ga10...@morgana.i.gnudd.com > > <>
Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.
Correct, I swirled it too much, that is my point. What are the odds that the blue logo in question swirled their logo pixel-for-pixel the same as Debian's? I believe the odds are low given the couple minutes of work I put into using the tool (Illustrator). Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 10:24:34AM -0600, Michael Cassano wrote: > > The message from 2005 seems to indicate it was produced using > Illustrator, > > not Photoshop. > > > > Attached is an image I just created using Illustrator 14.0.0, my goal was > to > > recreate the Debian logo. I used the 'rough charcoal' brush with the > swirl > > tool. I didn't create the original Debian logo but it is clear to me > that > > the same technique was used by whoever created Debian's swirl logo. As > you > > can see, my swirl shares all the attributes of the Debian logo, but is > not > > identical: mine has small three dabs at the end of the swirl in the > center > > and the two dabs on the left of the swirl on the outside. Mine is not > > identical because the swirl path in the Debian logo is not the default, > mine > > had to be tweaked slightly to get as close as it is. > > > > There is no question in my mind that the blue logo under debate is a copy > of > > the Debian logo, followed by a color change. There are too many degrees > of > > freedom (beginning of the swirl path, brush thickness, etc). > > You swirled it too much. Other than that, it's the same. > > Mike >
Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.
I didn't get the exact parameters needed to obtain Debian's logo, but I did show that they are not default. Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:50:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > > > FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > > > > business. > > > > > > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg > > > > > Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. > > > > > > [...] > > > > "The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, we > desgined it > > > > from the stretch. if you have somethins to say, give us a call." > > > > > > Unfortunately, they may be right and in good faith. > > > This message confirms the swirl is just one of the defaults: > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/06/msg00340.html > > > > This is an unsubstantiated claim that has been repeated ad absurdum on > the > > lists for years. Sure, it uses a default brush. But who has > demonstrated > > that the exact swirl pattern can be reproduced trivially by accident? No > > one. When companies show up with a logo that reproduces your exact > > *application* of the brush, angle for angle down to the pixel, it > stretches > > credulity to claim that this occurred to them independently. > > Until someone gives the exact parameters needed to obtain the same > result, there is no way to conclusively say whether this is trivial to > accidentally reproduce or not. > > Mike > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101201232155.ga6...@glandium.org > >
