Re: Non-Free SGML entity files

2015-11-30 Thread Francesco Poli 
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 23:39:19 +0100 stresswa...@ruggedinbox.com wrote:

> > Please note that IANADD, I am just a Debian external contributor.
> > I don't speak on behalf of the Debian Project or of the Debian FTP
> > Masters: please contact them, if you want to know their opinion.
> 
> How would I contact them?

Their collective e-mail address is , as listed in
https://www.debian.org/intro/organization

> 
> > Among other things, I noticed that also fbreader includes files under
> > this same license:
> > https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/f/fbreader/copyright-0.12.10dfsg-10
> 
> This is what one of the files mentioned in the fbreader copyright file
> says:
> 
> 
> 
> It seems that they think that the files can be relicenced. Perhaps
> because the derivation is trivial enough?

Maybe they obtained a permission to derive those files from
iso-pub.gml, I don't know.
It's actually unclear to me, as it is not explicitly explained: they
say the file is derived in part from a file with no permission to
modify, so it seems that the derived file is legally undistributable
(copyright violation).
But, as I said, maybe there's more than what is written there...


Any other debian-legal regular willing to share his/her opinion?


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Re: Non-Free SGML entity files

2015-11-30 Thread Paul Tagliamonte 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:23:22PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote:
> Any other debian-legal regular willing to share his/her opinion?

Without looking further into it (anyone have a source package I can look
at?), any license that restricts use to only that of implementing a
standard (and not modification nor derived works) is not fit for main.

I've seen similar stuff out of IETF-land (RFCs are non-free by default
because of a simialr restriction), and somewhere else. 

I've totally seen this type of stuff in NEW before. I have been rejecting them.

Stuff like Unicode docs, too, IIRC.


I'm cc'ing the rest of the ftp-master team; can someone reply with a bad source
package (or d/copyright file) that we can evaluate in main?

Thanks a ton!
  Paul


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Re: Non-Free SGML entity files

2015-11-30 Thread Paul Tagliamonte 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:20:21PM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> I'm cc'ing the rest of the ftp-master team; can someone reply with a bad 
> source
> package (or d/copyright file) that we can evaluate in main?

(actually cc'ing them now)


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Re: Non-Free SGML entity files

2015-11-30 Thread stressware2 
> [C]an someone reply with a bad source package (or d/copyright file)
> that we can evaluate in main?

Here is sgml-data's copyright file:
.

Here is the source of sgml-data:
.
Offending files are in sgml/entities/sgml-iso-entities*/. Also, files
in xml/entities/xml-iso-entities-8879.1986 are derived from files with
the same licence.

The files and files derived from them are in other packages as well.