fglrx: Out of memory when allocating device heads
Hello i guess this is no new issue, but even after some extensive websearch i couldn't find a comprehensive answer as to what i've to do to get it running. After some over-due update, X stopped working on my laptop. * Thinkpad T60 with ATI FireGL X1300 * Debian testing/unstable * xorg-server 1.6.1.901 Build Date: 14 May 2009 05:49:41PM * fglrx 8.56.4 [Dec 1 2008] Some tests revealed the following 2 issues: (1) #root: modprobe fglrx Kernel 2.6.29-2: [ 3838.545456] [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 1413 MBytes. [ 3838.546986] [fglrx:drm_alloc] *ERROR* [driver] Allocating 0 bytes [ 3838.547708] [fglrx:firegl_init_device_list] *ERROR* Out of memory when allocating device heads [ 3838.548758] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_init_devices failed Kernel 2.6.26-2: [ 554.979633] [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 1413 MBytes. [ 554.979959] [fglrx] vendor: 1002 device: 7149 count: 1 [ 554.980476] [fglrx] ioport: bar 1, base 0x2000, size: 0x100 [ 554.981110] ACPI: PCI Interrupt :01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [ 554.983174] [fglrx] Driver built-in PAT support is enabled successfully [ 554.984182] [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.56.4 [Dec 1 2008] with 1 minors (2) #user: /usr/bin/xinit (with kernel 2.6.26) X.Org X Server 1.6.1.901 (1.6.2 RC 1) Release Date: 2009-5-8 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.26-2-686 i686 Debian Current Operating System: Linux lynx 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 14 May 2009 05:49:41PM xorg-server 2:1.6.1.901-2 (jcris...@debian.org) xserver log: (II) LoadModule: "fglrx" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc." compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.61.2 Module class: X.Org Video Driver (II) Primary Device is: PCI 0...@00:00:0 (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.61.2 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: 8.612 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: Apr 28 2009 21:43:49 (II) PCS database file /etc/ati/amdpcsdb not found (II) Creating PCS database from initial defaults instead (WW) This ATI Proprietary Linux Driver does not guarantee support of video driver ABI higher than 2.0 (WW) Video driver ABI version of the X server is 5.0 I should note that i use this laptop for production, on travel, and need fast graphic rendering, and i'd be happy to have a full OpenGL running...also, to run google earth, which for me is most useful especially on travel. But if nothing helps i'd be satisfied at least to have any X at all. Any suggestions ? tia, Micha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: fglrx: Out of memory when allocating device heads
I purged all related packages (fglrx, sources, amd stuff), also remaining artefacts in /etc/ati, and reinstalled things to try it from the scratch. Now the status seems to be, it doesn't build with 2.6.26 anymore. It builds with 2.6.29, but then it doesn't load. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: fglrx: Out of memory when allocating device heads
Hello Martin ! Many thanks ! So it's radeonhd now and it even has 3d accel. I'll try it later, and tell how it works. Martin: > Try this one: http://mfluch.wordpress.com/linux-on-the-t60/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safe install
First of all, i've never tested it with Vista myself so i need to carefully
restrict my statements to XP.
Both Windows and ThinkVantage have their own bootloader, and grub can boot that
bootloader.
All you need is the chainloader command in grub.cfg (this is for grub2, but
it's very similar for the legacy old grub).
In a Debian system, this file will be automaticly updated after every kernel
install or update, and there need to be a 'safe' way to preserve custom
entries. This is /etc/grub/grub.d/40_custom file.
For example, to insert grub boot entries for Windows XP on partition sda1 and
Thinkvantage on sda2, you would put this into 40_custom:
!/bin/sh
exec tail -n +3 $0
# /etc/grub.d/40_custom:
menuentry "Chainloader sda1" {
set root=(hd0,1)
# insmod fat
# search --fs-uuid --set 0fa5641b-9105-4102-acf6-c68795e8bf62
chainloader +1
}
menuentry "ThinVantage sda2" {
set root=(hd0,2)
# search --fs-uuid --set 0fa5641b-9105-4102-acf6-c68795e8bf62
chainloader +1
}
Then run 'update-grub' (as root, or via sudo), it will update the 'real' config
in /boot.
The fs-uuid directive should normally be not necessary, it is optional. The
respective uuid of your specific partitions would be different of course. If
you don't know what it's about just drop it :)
If you install grub into the MasterBootRecord (MBR) then of course the Windows
code will be gone.
What you will see is that chainloading into Windows will launch the 'normal'
Windows Boot menu.
However, stuff like hibernation and special boot keys will be affected.
Some 2 years ago a german guy on this list, Stefan Bellon, told me a way to
boot into grub via the original Windows XP setup, which would preserve the
original Masterbootrecord and thus keep Windows hibernation and blue
Thinkvantage button working at startup (before any bootloader).
This works for XP, as far as i know Vista boots different, but probably can be
setup in some analog way.
You would reinstall Windows MBR again (there should be some onboard M$ System
Tool) and afterwards modify the Windows XP 'BOOT.INI' file to launch the grub
code from the Windows harddisk.
You can copy that code in linux commandline with dd into a binary file, say
'bootgrub.bin' and put that on the Windows filesystem (just beneath the
BOOT.INI). Since Linux has no good NTFS write support, you could for example
put it on a memory stick for transfer, or use a Samba network or even just
email.
An example BOOT.INI would look like that:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=C:\bootgrub.bin
[operating systems]
C:\bootgrub.bin="Linux Grub"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP nogui" /fastdetect
/bootlog /noguiboot /safeboot:network /sos
This setup was working with legacy grub, but i missed to prevent the package
script from writing into the MBR when i mirgated to grub2. It didn't matter
much to me, anyway, i think if the harddisk basically is ok, then i can launch
ThinkVantage via grub quite as well, i just don't really need the button
anymore. (And if the disk would not work, then also not ThinkVantage, so what.
And there always are those pretty Recovery CDs). However, for this reason, i
can't tell if it would work with grub2 exactly the same.
As a result, you will see the Windows boot menu, from where you can boot into
Windows, or 'jump' to the linux grub bootmenu.
The used grub binary will read the grub.cfg configuration of the linux
partition just as usual, and also that configuration will be kept updated via
package managemant just as usual. However, you need to recognize that the
bootgrub.bin code now is 'out of reach' for grub updates.
But, once it works, it works, so what. Most grub updates anyway would not modiy
that bootcode anyway, especially with grub2 which is highly modular, and the
modules are loaded dynamically from the linux /boot directory now. Most updates
will go there, anyway.
If there would be a security fix just in that initial code, then you need to
recreate the external binary file. But then, if you really need such a good
security for your laptop, then you would do completely different things anyway,
and in the end of that road it wouldn't matter how it gets booted, again,
because the ultimate solution is to store any sensible information (like your
complete home directory) on a small external encrypted device.
hth Micha
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Re: Safe install
Robert: > I recommend using the "GRUB For DOS" Yes looks like another (and maybe easier) way. Still, if you're mostly working from Linux, the most simple way is just to install grub and setup chainloaders (which is done at system install anyway). All you loos is the ThinkVantage button, no great deal IMHO. As for hibernation, i need to clarify, it works just as usual: Grub chainloads to Windows and that just resumes. What i meant is that if you would rely on WinLogon to protect your Windows access, now there's grub with it's insecure edit and commandline escapes - which can be deactivated of course. As i said, if you really need strong security, you wouldn't rely on either OS or BIOS side access protection, nor on any encryption, because anything can be cracked up to the point to remove the hard drive for professional analysis. You just would not store any sensitive information on such a laptop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to Fit Exercise into Your Life
Uhm Linux is way enough of exercise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: fglrx: Out of memory when allocating device heads
It still does not really work. The 'radeonhd' driver appears to have no GL
direct rendering. Google earth, for example, barfs that it will be using a slow
emulation.
When i used the 'radeon' driver it would not enable the maximal resolution
(1400x1...@16) so i stick with 'radeonhd'. Interestingly this one does not
depend on the firmware-linux package, and i deinstalled it.
Meanwhile i tried compiling fglrx with Debian kernel 2.6.30-2, in a recent Sid,
but it's still the same ("Cannot allocate memory").
According to
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.9&lan
ATI has dropped support for most of the X series Radeon cards.
"AMD has moved a number of DX9 ATI Radeon™ graphics accelerators products to a
legacy driver support structure. This change impacts Windows XP, Windows
Vista, and Linux distributions.
(...) No new features will be provided in future driver updates. The Linux ATI
Catalyst™ driver will only be supported in Linux distributions prior to
February 2009 for the legacy products listed above."
However why does that necessarily imply that the latest fglrx packages do not
work anymore.
I have 2 questions:
(1) 'modprobe fglrx' results in the 'Cannot allocate memory' failure, it seems
to be a kernel related problem. Would it be possible to fix that on the kernel
side ?
(2) The previous fglrx versions worked in the past, is it possible to prepare a
working package for Sid ?
I tried to downgrade Xorg and any fglrx packages to 'stable' but then
fglrx-source would no more build. It also seemed that reinstalling fglrx messed
up radeonhd somehow, and i had to purge all fglrx-* packages to get it clean
again.
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Re: fglrx: Out of memory when allocating device heads
thx, Marvin and Matthew. Actually i'm not motivated to file a bug since there already are lots of 'Cannot allocate memory' bugs filed. I also don't think this would be a debian package bug, it should go anywhere else - it is not the Debian maintainers fault that fglrx is not updated against new kernels and Xorg ABIs. Since fglrx is the prop ATI driver, the bug probably need to go to ATI and i lack the arguments as to why they should do anything about it - besides that their decision leaves a bad image and that people who experienced the consequences would dissuade from buying an ATI board for Linux, generally, now. And this is especially sad since AMD is the only competitor of Intel, and i always felt it is a good thing to support them just for some balance. I think all hope rests on the free driver now, i hope they will be able to implement some DRI in the future. But maybe they would not work on the now-older X cards either. Well, any short-time solution would probably only get a chance if ATI would release their Catalyst driver completely to the community. But how can we convince them to do that, after so many years. Maybe AMD has an ear. btw. I was told that i can't exchange the Grafik chip on that Thinkpad (T60p) is that true ? Does anybody know how could i have it done in Germany (w/o shipping it to Taiwan or so) ? I think this would be another, shorthand solution... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
How to set up language and textconsole ?
Hi all, (Would you pls cc to me directly ?) I've some nagging questions around this since long :) my textconsole is somehow broken, it does lacks correct localization and does not display the german umlauts. The specific problem is that (1) the laptop has american keyboard layout. Still i'd need the umlauts for the localized messages (manpages etc) and user interfaces (like midnight commander). The first question is about localization. I've installed locales 2.9.25 (update ATM waiting for libc6 update) localization-config I did choose several locales to be generated, like en_US and de_DE in three encodings: UTF-8, ISO-8859-1 and -15. I can see them compile w/o error. How do i configure the language ? My login shell (bash) seems to source ~/.profile, and i tried different export LANG= strings there but none shows any effect. What's the correct syntax ? For example, in /etc/locale.gen it's de_DE.UTF-8 but somehow i remember also de_DE.utf8 ? Should i make it LANG=de or LANG=de_DE ? I tried all these but i just can not see any german manpages, although manpages-de is installed. Does it make sense to choose UTF-8 at all, since it's american keyboard ? But i like to be able to read UTF-8 encoded textfiles on textconsole. And would this setting also affect the X environment ? Would i need UTF-8 then for X, because i have to deal with UTF-8 files (documents, filenames) ? I also saw LANGUAGE=bla, do i need this too ? Is it exchangeable with LANG= or something different ? Then the next question is, where to put this export ? There are so many config files ! I'd like to set system default to something like en_US (do i need to make it en_US.ISO-88591 ??) * I think /etc/default/locale is used for sure. * But how about /etc/environment ? * I would not touch /etc/profile to avoid update syncs. Then the user specific setting: * Is ~/.profile the proper choice ? * Will this be recognized in X ? * Is xorg Option XkbLayout unaffected from all those settings ? *sigh* i'm horribly lost ! Now for console ... It's a Thinkpad T60, small 14" display with 1400x1050 resolution, standard debian sid/testing, stock kernel 2.6.30. (Does it matter it's an ATI GPU?) I can see there are different packages around 'console'. Actually i've installed: console-setup console-common console-kit console-terminus kbd The display has a 1400x1050 resolution and ATM the configured console font Terminus size 12 is the best i can get. But in the past i had a smaller font which looke3d very nice, i guess it was Terminus 12, but this would not work at all anymore. This changed suddenly at some update. I think it was the move to grub2, which displayed a way too small menu image (a sqaure in the left upper corner) when i set the gfxpayload to 1400x1050. Maybe this is related ? Maybe i should mention that i don't install any display manager like kdm. The machine boots into text login, i need to type two short strings, and then X to startup a standard KDE. I would like to keep it that way, because it has proven reliable under so many difficult circumstances (like no-working ATI, nealry-out-of-battery-power, or simply totally in a hurry to lookup some phone number or so) and i am used to textconsole tools. Still, i often start standard X session. But i can't leave the language configuration to kdm. So far...! I know this quite a bunch of question, but i'm thankful if even a few could be addressed. Maybe someone with german textconsole layout could look up some of the mentioned configurations, and tell me how it looks like ? hopefully Micha ps. I'm roaming for several days and may not be able to respond immediately. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to turn the screen off, while working in console
Krzysztof, I'd also start with BIOS and /etc/console-tools/config (BLANK_TIME and POWERDOWN_TIME). If you rather like to trigger it manually, then you're better off with sudo. There's a NOPASSWD option (man sudoers). micha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what laptop to buy
Daniel, Be careful with non-recent ATI FireGL video cards, that was working bad for some time (dunno today though). Some older Thinkpads still ship with these. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Follow up: About W/L double-boot systems
Funny. I just cleared off the Adobe Reader stuff from my laptops' W$, a few days ago, replacing it by a free viewer, which as side effect released some hundred Mbytes of harddisk space. No notorious updates anymore, no amazing list of software patents on every startup. I preserved the OEM thing in my doubleboot system because i thought i would need, for example, the ThinkVantage tools for BIOS upgrade. But burning and using the BIOS Upgrade Boot CD from the Lenovo website worked like a charm, and those ThinkVantage tools don't do anymore else then updating themselves, and backup the Windows, which i didn't need for anything since long. GRUB can boot the Rescue partition anyway, which again primarily deals with recovering the unneeded Windows; and for anything else a Knoppix shell has much more capabilities. (I think i a specific linux backup on that partition would be more useful to me.) So right now, the main reason i keep the preinstalled system is because i'm curious how long i can refuse the introduction of the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool. (Lastly, they even went so far to let me choose "Yes i want install IE 8 *and* the MSR" only together, or nothing.) I think there are reasons to run a Windows, for example if you're doing .Net and need a good DE. It's just it always leaves you with a paradox feeling that it's not you using the system but the other way round. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100704100733.36327...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Follow up: About W/L double-boot systems
Sorry i missed the reply-to the spammers. Please don't repeat my mistake ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100704101634.22ce8...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: help diagnosing possible graphics issue with Thinkpad T61 Nvidia Quadro NVS140
Doesn't Lenovo grant 2 years warranty ? Claim it. I would tell them the issue anyway, because only then they might get attentive and fix the issue in new models. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120126223859.4a118...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: help diagnosing possible graphics issue with Thinkpad T61 Nvidia Quadro NVS140
Uh, sorry, last year you bought the monitor, not the laptop. Well then, like Preston said. If you are lucky the DVI is a separate part and exchangeable. Graphic card could be exchangeable too (but could be also on-board chip). If you find another T61, in the used parts market, which is defect in some other way, you could be able to do it yourself. But it's a lot of effort with totally uncertain outcome. I would be interested in your resolution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120126224729.7c5bf...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: help diagnosing possible graphics issue with Thinkpad T61 Nvidia Quadro NVS140
> As a temporary stopgap, I've been able to get slow 2D graphics on my > external monitor via the fbdev X11 driver. fbdev does use the GPU memory but not the GPU itself, if i recall right. So maybe either the GPU chip is defect (or lose) or there was a change in driver or kernel (upgrade). Or the always unknown third possibility ;) Anyway, i would at least screw it open and have a close look, maybe something simply got lose or some rubbish laying around. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120128024947.70c98...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
Tina, Since debugging wireless can be tedious especially under this circumstances (newbie and mailing list), i suggest go to the person who prepared the laptop, and ask her to configure it for you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120321233106.245b7...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
Tina, > I do not have the root or admin passwords and have not been able to get them. That's another problem. If the installed software really already is 2y old, then consider a totally new installation. It could possibly solve your problems 'on-the-fly' but there is no guarantee, and usually requires help by someone experienced to be finally successful. I'd download and burn a recent Debian Linux installation-CD, and boot this CD and follow the instructions. Let it wipe out your old installation, but backup your working data and account data first (on memory stick or burn to CD) - you would need to restore these in the working new installation, from the backup. later. It may include reconfigure your accounts in some applications like skype, email, whatever (note this is only the access data stored on your laptop, like password and login, of course you do not touch at all your mail account at yahoo) Doing this 'net-install' requires reliable internet access during the process, meaning cable connection, to finish the installation. Instead of trying by wireless, it is highly recommended to go to some place where you can plug in a cable. Your laptop probably have a 32bit Processor, so you would chose this file (download and burn:) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.iso but i recommend to check first if this is really true. The alternative is 64bit and there the respective installer would be http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso (assuming your laptop have an Intel processor, see 'intel inside' sticker.) I'm not sure what's the best way for you to find out this spec, unless it's not mentioned on some label or in the manual. Maybe you can find your laptop specs online. Maybe you have the 'cpuid' command (from a command terminal) available. Note that i recommended the 'testing' version of Debian here. Despite its name, it should run fine, and the 'stable' version is rather old right now. If there are bugs, they use to be minor and usually can be fixed with simple application update. If you like to go that way, read http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst and print out or do notes from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386 (for the installation process, as seen by the user, the 32 / 64 bit question is rather irrelevant, it should be the same). If your laptop is very important, or if you have NO TIME, then leave all this to an experienced linux user or expert. You may ask for help of a local linux user group, ask for someone dropping in at your place (or meetiung in some suitable, bright lighted populated place :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_User_Group http://limestone.uoregon.edu/woven/lugww/ http://lug.org.uk/listings Good luck ^^ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120322001323.35629...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
And by the way, if someone else likes to answer by explaining how to break root: Please don't do on public lists, and consider if that really solves anything. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120322001717.35486...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
Richard, > I'm not convinced I'd go for a daily build, or the testing distro, either, > but that's another issue. I used daily 'testing' installers more often and there never was a problem with the installer or base system. If there would be a minor bug with a desktop app, later. then you can update or change app. It is strategic recommendation. I was using stable installers in the past and always ended up with upgrade to testing, then unstable, because i wanted more recent features. For example, latest video codecs, or new website features (css3, html5, flash). Especially big internet players never wait for Debian with their upgrades ... Then, upgrading from stable to testing can be quite cumbersome, since the distance can be huge, but from testing to unstable is not such a big deal. Agreed, Ubuntu always is an option and the most popular. But over the last years, whenever i installed the latest Ubuntu (up to 11) for someone else (or did remote support), i found so many deficits and bugs, that i always ended up with installing better or less annoying apps, or just newer versions, and then the whole thing just sucks. And i finally switched back to plain Debian. It was rather surprising to me too. But even inexperienced users have specific requirements (even when they got used to Windows or Ubuntu since long) and then you can adjust a plain Debian much easier. Like, resolving dependencies when upgrading certain packages (or all) to unstable. Of course YMMV and there are good reasons for staying stable too. It's also true that even trivial problems can be mountain ranges for someone who no idea what's up. > ie replace ia64 with amd64. ia64 is for Itanium machines, which is mostly > expensive servers. oops...so 'amd' is for intel too ? I always forget it and confuse itsorry! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120322021638.1c61d...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
Ah, and it was Brandon, not Richard, yepp. Time to go to bed... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120322021951.0a684...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Go for Open Source Software
It is definitely a SPAM using the mailing list as gateway to automatically detect and process valid mail addresses (per bounces). The content actually is quite a joke considering the purpose. They have humor. Welcome in the world of Spammers. It's like a natural hazard. Anyone reacting emotionally on such a thing should stay indoor because there may be rain. ps. Best SPAM ever: From: "Acted F. Spangled" Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2006 11:03:37 +0200 1) We do not unsubscribe anymore becouse abusses go to unsubscribe url. 2) If we unsubscribe u others spamers are not. 3) If u abuse this e-mail we will never make spam more usefull. -- spamrec...@yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120509192000.56914...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Problems with battery charging
Ivan, I don't have your laptop brand and never had your problem, but just a few quick shots: asus_wmi seems to be the keypad backlight kernel driver. Old piece from 2011: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1102.3/00970.html I don't see how the wmi driver should be related to battery charging. Maybe it's rather random that the kernel message gets triggered. Make sure your power connector is not flaky, or the supply adapter is working correctly. Try a replacement one (no need to buy, only for testing, maybe from a friend ?). Also check the battery connectors, and make sure that it's generally healthy. If there are any (non-character) function keys then make sure the keys keys aren't flakey, like maybe dirty underneath, or simply damaged. Especially if you poured out your coffee over the keypad... The touchpad could be flaky too, sending random input triggering some desktop shortcut function. Counter-check with a different kernel version. If you compiled a custom kernel you could disable the wmi driver. (Or is there a way to disable it at boot time, by boot options, for every kernel ? Dunno.) But as i said, i can't see the connection, and that should also only just clear the error message, not the problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130110195849.0f447...@mirrors.kernel.org
shutdown from xfce desktop ?
The last few times i installed via Debian netinstall, choosing xfce Desktop, i ended up with a desktop that requires the user to type in the root password to shutdown the machine. It's essentially the same when trying to shutdown from the login-manager (lightdm or gdm3). I know the reason why a shutdown is prevented on a multiuser terminal server, but i think it's justified to expect a user to be able to shutdown just with one click on a single desktop machine ? Maybe it's my fault, and i wiped out some essential package later (doing kind of cleanup) so i wanted to ask these 2 things: (1) anyway who's managing the log out /shut down thing normally (at the backend level) ? (2) Is there a way to configure this from within the desktop session (like, some system-settings module) ? I could not find anything so far, but as i said, maybe it's just not installed right now. This happened to me 2 years ago, and with three different machines with an install image (netinstall 'testing') from January. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130208022123.147bd...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: 64 bit download for Intel Pentium
Should be amd64 http://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130217034458.3c54b...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: acpi handler
Maybe the documentation (or maybe the source code) of package 'acpitool' can be helpful to you ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130310222317.03e15...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: console mode
Bob, Many thanks for the interesting hint ! Another thing you could do is run console-log (and bootlogd) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130329172954.228d0...@mirrors.kernel.org
Measures against overheating / Was: static or dynamic /dev
sting wing, although there isn't really anything left to add to Bobs reply (which is good work, as expected); but just for the fun of it, some related ideas. If you need to monitor harddrive temperature, then possibly you've already reason to fear overheating, and you finally would need to lower the temperature generally, right. There are settings in the BIOS as well as in the desktop settings what to do after so much idle time (or tools like 'sleepd', or you could screw some hdparm -f -Y command into the right places.) However, that does not really work since there are too many processes doing continuous small disk writes, like logs and network activities. Therefore, you should configure as much things as possible into RAM (see /etc/default/tmpfs) and even link specific folders there. As a small demonstration, some image viewers clutter your disk with large amounts of thumbnails in ~/.thumbnails, and you could make that a symbolic link to a /tmp/thumbnails folder which you create at desktop launch, via autostart script. (I invented this just now, not tested.) The thumbs will be lost, after shutdown, but usually most of them are obsolete anyway. Highly experimental would be /var/log mounted as tmpfs :) but why not. However, if you've got serious overheating, then the real solution is to get the heat out of the computer. With PCs for example i tend to use external drives for the busy system partitions. In very modern laptops you would have an internal flash disk anyway, which probably don't produce much heat. But a simple thing you can do is to clean the inbuilt fan from heavy dust and you may even consider to open up some additional slots in the case, manually, or make the existing one larger (loosing warranty of course). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130406004427.77074...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Vladan, It appears i have thrown out my last 2 WD disks just recently ... ;) The reason, of course, was they were worn out. I didn't know of the idle3 problem, then. Anyway, now i'm using only SG and even fresh new drives always show several 'pre failure' values in smartd. I'm lazy using gsmartcontrol, btw. > Is there any way to reduce numbers of load cycles on PATA drives? Beats me sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130406012906.5f81b...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Vladan, maybe the hdparm -m and -M options would ba also interesting for you. It's amazing what you learn and discover just by dropping into some random mailing list question. For example, you made me just install cpufreqd on my PC where i never considered that a priority. But why should i waste energy ? And it definitely effects heat. I find the cpufreq config quite easy to understand. While i know we're talking Laptops here, but as a sidenote, on this PC, the hot GPU card is directly under the CPU fan, and the case does not have any side opening. Apparently makes the CPU fan blow the hot GPU air onto the CPU chip :| I wanted to equip the case with one of those large, slow side fans, since long. Some modern cases even have a second sidewall fan directed at the harddisk slots. Well, i always just put the busy system disk out-of-case, main problem solved. (Using a 50cm SATA cable) As for the dust, i plan to place 3 or 4 small quiet indoor fountains around the PC. - kidding. As another sidenote, i've a couple of rarely used storage disks (like Backups or Archives) which i'd like to send hdparm -Y at boot time, but then, linux apparently needs to wake them up (hard resetting) at shutdown just to tell them to shutdown. Sucks. Any idea ? this is kernel 3.0.2 on Debian testing. --- Bob, > I have that problem of continuously increasing load cycle count from > head parking with a brand new Seagate 2T drive. It isn't just WD with > this problem anymore. Many thanks ! - I'll keep an eye on that. > File /etc/hdparm.conf: I'm trying to not change the default config templates, because linux does not have any mechanism to merge user modifications into template updates, so user have to do it manually. Therefore i gathered all possible tweaks in my personal boot script called by /etc/rc.local. (Another possibility is /etc/default/hdparm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130406042659.19a1a...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Sting Wing, Since your disk is SSD (if i understood correctly), and those normally don't produce much heat, i wonder if it is some other component which (as side effect) heats up the disk drive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130411032056.095c1...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Thanks for the info ! Indeed, on my laptops it just worked fine since long. However, i was talking about a PC (always ON AC) and there, i needed to install the daemon to have the CPU actually scaled. Or at least i did not know hot to user-configure the kernel driver. The cpufreqd config is easy to grok. As i said, it's experimental, to save energy and reduce heat. I don't feel any performance loss since then. It's a 3.2.x kernel btw, i just downgraded to testing after i nearly screwed the box with too heavy version/arch experiments. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130411153715.3850b...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Babu, > Having been using Debian 64bit on AMD server as a gateway/fileserver with > samba for a while, the ondemand governor is working perfectly fine For this office pC, the kernel cpufreq driver just did not scale anything although the capability was reported. Go figure. Maybe the K8 mainboard is too old for that. But i really don't feel like debugging this any further. It works now, i'm happy. I may give it another try after some kernel upgrade. However, i really like the configuration of the daemon - i could adapt it much to my needs, easily. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130416061615.24300...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Turning back to harddisk sleep vs. write access of OS subsystems: Here is my 'todays workout' for the smart OS. On most of my machines (no online servers) i did not need the last weeks of logs, for years. The only reason would be intrusion detection, but hey, i'm talking about laptops and office PCs with nothing worth to break the router. So, to stop the continuous harddisk access, i just de-installed rsyslog daemon. Then, i made /var/log a tmpfs and out of curiosity, just to see if ot works, reinstalled rsyslog again. As expceted, after each boot, the standard logs get created at syslog start (which is in desktop runlevel rc2, in debian) and so far noone is barfing. Anyway, it can be easily reverted, only one '#' in /etc/fstab, and reboot. Here is what happened (tm Monk): (1) Booted into 'single' mode (runlevel 1) because here, no syslog should be running (that is, per debian default; if your system is different then issue '/etc/init.d/*syslog stop' to shutdown the log daemon) (2) Edited /etc/fstab with mcedit (package 'mc' - else you could use nano or vi or whatever) and added this line: tmpfs/var/log tmpfs noatime,nodiratime,uid=0,gid=4,mode=755,size=50M 0 0 Please note: a. If you mount /var as separate partition (which i always do) then the new entry has to be AFTER the /var one, because /var/log can only be mounted after /var. (The line order in fstab equals time order) b. 'uid' for root, gid for 'adm', permissions 755 are 'rwx r-x r-x'. I may have lost the original permissions of /var/log some year ago when i fiddled with tiger; correct me if 755 is wrong. (3) I copied /var/log to /var/log-BAK, just in case. It can be deleted after some days, if you're sure anything is fine. (4) Afterward, i deleted all content of /var/log, with mc. You may use commandline 'rm -rf' but be very careful with this.You can as well leave the old /var/log/* since it will be mounted-over. I just felt like cleaning the disk up. This steps generally leaves /var/log as mountpoint with original permissions, in case you'd revert the thing some day. (5) Rebooted. By the way, i also de-installed much desktop/server/network stuff that i never really needed on my 'office' machines. Namely exim4, the highly active avahi-daemon, ssh-server, network-manager (i use plain ifup), ntp (i use rdate on all my machines). Other candidates for office - depending on your needs - could be bluetooth, wireless, samba, nfs. It also turned out that i can live without 'hal'. In total, it was a huge amount of packages which i got rid of. Finally, my smart desktop boots a lot faster too. There is some argument that sometimes you suddenly need an ssh-server, or samba, and what if the internet is down and you can't install. So, alternatively, one could only switch the init scripts off. Lookup the /etc/rc2.d README for the debian way. However, it's real funny to walk around and mark 'deinstall' anything you don't know what it's good for, and look which packages get broken, and if those can't be just deinstalled too (which was the case for avahi-daemon, only required by llibreoffice java on my desktops, which i never ever needed anyway.) Maybe one should start with the package manager anyway, and configure it not to install 'recommendet' packages automaticly. That would free most systems of several hundred packages and lots of unneeded stuff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130416065226.1bfeb...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Measures against overheating
Stefan, > Note that this risks will fill your ram&swap with logs, next time some > problem shows up causing infinitely repeated log entries. For this > reason I prefer to install busybox-syslogd: it's much smaller than > rsyslogd, keeps the logs in memory (like your tmpfs) but only keeps the > last few KBs of it, so there's no risk of overflowing. Nice hint ! Thanks! However, i've got no log daemon at all right now, and the only logs left are lastlog, X log, dmesg and consolekit. Of these, as i believe, only dmesg could potentially be flooded; but IIRR the kernel cuts repetitions (which occur regularly with flakey hardware) automaticly. At least i saw something like 'last message repeated xyz times' in the past. It's actually an interesting question how the system behaves in the worst crisis (and with no swap) - it makes me think to trigger this purposely some day :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130427223441.4c71a...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: it is avahi? Re: network
Does he even need avahi service at all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624203832.24f21...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: it is avahi? Re: network
But ugh, that's a lot of stuff to study, when the problem may be rather trivial. How about try reinstalling all avahi packages. (Using a package manager, check anything with *avahi* in their names.) I recommend to move to Debian 'testing' anyway (i.e. upgrade) except your laptop is way old. I bet the upgrade fixes the error message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130625014353.46e09...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: it is avahi? Re: network
Hannu, just curious, how did you translate 'region' (in the error message) ? Is the original finnish (?) word a technical term and what does it refer to exactly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130625142856.2c361...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: it is avahi? Re: network
Hannu, The only things a fresh avahi-daemon installation puts into the config (that is, not commented) are: [server] use-ipv4=yes use-ipv6=yes ratelimit-interval-usec=100 ratelimit-burst=1000 [wide-area] enable-wide-area=yes [publish] [reflector] [rlimits] rlimit-core=0 rlimit-data=4194304 rlimit-fsize=0 rlimit-nofile=768 rlimit-stack=4194304 rlimit-nproc=3 If there was a domain name default, it would be "domain-name=local" (but commented out), without dot. But it will be derived from your hostname anyway. So maybe try commenting (disabling) any domain setup. If any, it should be something like 'gone.local' if gone is your machine. Check the /etc/avahi/hosts file too. My version has commented examples, only: # Examples: # 192.168.0.1 router.local # 2001::81:1 test.local so i guess it should work w/o any manual explicit configuration too. Also check if you got libnss-mdns installed, which is recommended by avahi. I am sorry i can not easily check how it works w/o manual configuration. I just can't remember any installation asked me anything about it so i guess the defaults should work out of the box. I deinstalled any avahi services on all machines in this small intranet because we don't seem to have any need for it, and we didn't miss anything afterwards. For example, i don't understand why laptops need a avahi-daemon, or rather, why avahi-discover should be depending on the daemon. Do you really want to publish your laptop 'files to access' in a mixed environment ? We have one printer and it seems network access via IPP works fine even without avahi. I guess a roaming laptop or smartphone could benefit in some trusted environment though. But seriously, in which business or university environment do you send off a printing job from your laptop without first being granted explicit access to the printer ? I admit i am oldfashioned and do not understand any modern usages of multicast dns. Well. in your situation, i would deinstall (with complete 'purge') anything with 'avahi' in its name, except it breaks essential other packages (for example, cups and gvfs need some avahi libs), especially the daemon. Then, i'd check if something i need does not work anymore. If so, reinstall avahi-discover. With luck, the error will be gone with a new package default config. It should be noted that such a task needs some experience (or boldness) with 'apt-get' or a good package manager. It's rather easy, and safe, if you know how to use 'aptitude'. If you configured things manually, and want to preserve the config, don't use 'purge'. Keep in mind that even if you deinstalled half your system, it can be reinstalled in a few moments, if only you keep track of what was removed (for example, the /var/log/aptitude). gl mi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130625200440.0d571...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: it is avahi? Re: network
Cristian, > That looks like someone is attempting to eavesdrop on you. I would be interested in how that could work and how to defend against it. Would you mind to try to explain it, for short ... ? Here are my questions: (1) If i understand correctly, the 'dig' result shows that domain 'local' is directed to either "ns1.inet.fi" or "hostmaster.sonera.fi" correct ? How would a SOA answer section look like for a non-grabbed domain, in a regular dig result ? (2) As far as i know the regular setup only has 'localhost' for loopback, i don't know anyone using 'local', except, as it appears, avahi. So would this redirect (or rather, grabbed domain) take effect only for the avahi system, in a default installation ? (3) I don't think that Hannu's situation necessarily indicates anything criminal like eavesdropping. But anyway, if so, then what use could you imagine to 'eavesdrop' especially avahi communications ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130627200300.19357...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Installing debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on a partition of a Macbook 5,2
Daniel, > as MBR has a four partition limit. the standard way was to make partition #4 of type 'logical' which is a container where you can add several more partitions, like separate linux /home (recommended) and linux swap. also, if necessary, grub could even boot a logical partition too. i dunno about efi but for sure grub can boot a lot of things in different ways. it also has an efi emulation module. > but do install GRUB-ps to your Debian partition (should be /dev/sda4) guess that should have been 'GRUB-pc' here -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140126204741.0a853...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Optimus_x64
... perhaps you should have explained first that Linux calls it "Bumblebee" ? https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/FAQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus hth > hi, > > > I am on dual-boot debian 7 & ubuntu 14 (updated) with two choices on my > laptop : > Nvidia or Intel. > Optimus technology manage it with the soft "prime" allowing switching > the graphic-card easily. > > On ubuntu, it is clear & neat ; i add nvidia settings - it chooses and > download the driver ; then, i restart. > On Debian, it is not clear, not at all. > > > I wish obtain the same thing on my debian. > What must i do ? > Is someone know a how-to (recent please) ? > Is someone working with optimus ? > Does Debian accept Optimus & Nvidia settings + Prime ? > > Very simple with ubuntu, even the french doc is easily readable : > http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/prime > > apt://nvidia-331 nvidia-prime mesa-utils. > or > sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 nvidia-prime mesa-utils > > Nota Bene : it works only with proprietary driver > > > That is one part of my problem. > > *** > > The second part occurs when i follow a debian tutorial : installing a > proprietary driver : it is not the same that ubuntu' choice !!! > driver 331 -Nvidia settings_ubuntu > driver 340 -Nvidia site_debian > > Like every user, we prefer let the assistant do the right choice. > If i choose another driver (maybe better) is there not a risk to crash > my system ? > With the Nvidia assistant, the better driver will be choose without any > risk. > > Why have i not on my software the prime soft & nvidia 331 (mesa-utils > is) included in the packages (Optimus on laptop is a modern function > well known) or at least a quick help/explanation ? > > I looked for information on several sites but i did not find something > coherent or relevant. > OK, it is maybe not free, not tolerated but i need it : it saves the > life of my battery on debian and allows me playing on line on ubuntu. > > Different tutorials are on the web but i do not know which one i must > follow. > > I would like solve that on debian with the same manner/procedure that i > did on ubuntu. > > *** > > > How to install Optimus_Prime on Debian 7 ? > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2221392 > trouble-shooting help > > https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports > unclear > http://mirror.onat.edu.ua/debian/pool/contrib/n/nvidia-settings/ > unreadable > http://pkgs.org/download/nvidia-settings > can i download it whithout any risk ? > http://pkgs.org/debian-wheezy/debian-backports-contrib-amd64/nvidia-set > Is it unstable or a verified package ppa ? > > What must i choose ? > > > Thank you by advances for your answers. > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140820011448.7f001...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: ALSA replacement
Hmm, why didn't you dub this 'pulse audio replacement', i wonder. For most desktop users, ALSA is already doing about anything they need. Most of the rest can be done by just the player (maybe using some pulse lib but would not require the server). Well apparently gnome-media depends on it. Many good players (including vlc) do not. Go figure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141006021249.44a65...@mirrors.kernel.org
Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
Hello, Someone gots me a 4y old Lenovo Thinkpad X301 with a 64G Samsung SSD and i'd like to give it a try and follow this instruction https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_Memory_Cell_Clearing There is no usable OS yet on this laptop (albeit a Windows 7) and i consider booting a Live-CD. Does anyone know (1) If i need a specific boot disk. I'm going to download grml.org for the first try. (2) If there's any problem with using Samsung Magician for SSD BIOS update even when the Samsung Download Center does not know the harddrive (anymore), so i downloaded just the first thing i saw, version 4.1 from 06/2013 Anyone have a little experience with this ? tia mi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141214210513.7d951...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
As for the firmware, Samsung (and also Magician) seem to support only model 470 and newer. My drive has firmware PS105L16. Would anybody be able to tell if there was any newer version available ? I guess i'll just skip this step and continue with cell clearing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141214215251.30ff5...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
Florian, thx for reply. I got no further yet through workload delays. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_Memory_Cell_Clearing > i would just reinstall, and the use "fstrim" to clear the rest of the drive. Another friendly guy from this list already recommended this approach. So. i will try reformatting then manually TRIM the whole disk from a grml bootdisk. which hopefully has trim support in hdparm. But you think it yields the same result ? The few articles i read did not make clear if TRIM command is doing cell clearing actively, or if it's something that only advises the SSD to clear at writes, and only those blocks affected. For example, this does not make it clear: "A Trim command (commonly typeset as TRIM) allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM The problem here is the 'can'. While this seems to point out some 'fragmentation' issue: "Write performance is known to degrade over time even on SSDs with native TRIM support. TRIM only safeguards against file deletes, not replacements such as an incremental save." https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#TRIM which would not apply if starting from a freshly formatted disk. Couldn't find the answer here, too http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738/8 I also wonder if i should mount my usb memory pen drives with the 'discard' option ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141216162457.38e9d...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
Leslie, Ah, but since fstrim works only on a mounted filesystem, there is already a difference to a reset by SSD BIOS. A filesystem allocates lots of blocks, for tables and journal and the redundancy backups. (I wonder if that's even anymore useful with a SSD, and if there are specific SSD mkfs options to drop all that?) A little offtopic, but while we are at 'lifetime optimization': I also wonder about swap space. Is it still needed for hibernation or is there a 'pagefile.sys' option in the linux subsystem (pm-utils?). But as i've understood, any separation by partitions would lead to less freedom for the SSD to allocate free cells, because there shall be as much free space as possible, thus i should do only the essential split into / and /home. Which would be necessary for the chance to re-install another OS some day. For example, one w/o sysetmd ! Anyway, if there is a way to tell installers to keep a /home folder, then even that would not be required. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141216212604.78770...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
Bjørn, thx for the infos. There is more of these old TPs (next is a T410) which i'm giving away, so i have to calculate a bit. But i'll consider your ideas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141216225746.13eb3...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
Bob, That was a lot of useful information. Thank you ! No i'm not affiliated :) i'm just occasionally (as a hobby) doing support for people who run into problems. I think i kind of know this OS a little bit, and i have to admit over the years (although i was indifferent at the beginning) i started to hate it. I could write 10 mails each day to the developers, about why the hell dare they impose absurd workloads upon their customers.They really keep people busy, telling them doing things instead of doing things for them. -To be fair, usually i'm called when it's already screwed so i'm biased. And yes it got a few good points. But still. I'm a G/linux user since many years and i always had to fix a lot of things, but it's a very different feeling. But i didn't dig into SSD so far. For me this is a chance to learn. Yes, i understood your point. But this is old hardware, maybe it's worth a little consideration. (And i'm not gonna replace things because i'm donating these TPs && rather leave investments to the owners.) I didn't know that partitions are just only logical things nowadays. Does that mean partition layouts are obsolete now ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217000431.58283...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: How to use Solid State Drives (SSD)
I think i meant GPT here. And from what i've read, following the link Bob Prolux posted, i conclude it doesn't really matter, as GPT is just a newer and more flexible system to cover disk sizes >2T, but for laptops the old MRB system should be good enough (as long as grub supports it). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217015944.62dba...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Solid State Drive BIOS update and Memory Cell Clearing
Hello all, I booted the laptop into a grml boot-cd, then checked things with hpdarm -I. It appeared this old SSD does not do TRIM. Given that it's just an old disk with possibly low firmware performance, and a small and cheap one anyway, and without TRIM, i decided to just go with the memory clearing option, even if only to see if it works; and followed the instructions of the archlinux wiki [1] -- and anything went fine so far, just as described. I should mention that indeed the drive was 'frozen' and indeed it went 'not frozen' after a suspend. I had to remember the 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state' method (it's ages since i used such stuff) because the bootdisk did not come with any suspending tools. The clearing process itself needed only about 10 seconds, and differently to the wiki example, there was no gauge or feedback whatsoever. But checking with cfdisk, all the Windows partitions were gone and there wasn't any table too, just a clean disk. I think it's safe to reuse this experience with the other Thinkpads. (It's a pity it can't be done just from the mainboard BIOS) Let me finally say, many thanks for your advice, i really didn't know my options and how to evaluate them, and i learned a lot (: but be warned, i'm still curious ;) mi [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_Memory_Cell_Clearing [2] http://xkcd.com/309/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217030002.154bc...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: How to use Solid State Drives (SSD)
I'm going to setup just one partition for anything (except swap), since i could not find any arguments why to split /home or anything else, applying to me. I don't keep massive data on a travel laptop anyway, and If i'd need a reinstall i can backup /home easily to some external drive, with the slight advantage that i can memory reset the disk again. I will setup a swap partition, because the hibernation swapfile thing seems to allocate fixed disk space too, so there's not much difference except that a separate partition seem to be somewhat easier to understand (and maintain). Well, a swapfile can be easily extended, if you add more memory, but then, I don't think i'll ever need so much for hibernation anyway. It's not my habit to leave everything opened when i close the lid, it's not too much asked to shut some windows, especially when it leads to faster wake up. But even on a desktop, there can be cases when SSD partitioning might be useful. For example, you might consider to increase the FS blocksize on a separate video storage partition, and you'll probably have no need for any timestamps there. In fact, it could be a much reduced filesystem, optimized for space, with less table redundancy, no preserved-root space, and so on. Does anybody know if the barrier / nobarrier mount option takes effect on SSD ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217043752.5d9ed...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: No halt/poweroff on an EliteBook 840 G1 after upgrade
Edit /etc/default/halt and change the value as Eddy writes. Yes, systemd is probably the cause, it replaced pm acpi by its own terminology, disregarding the legacy convention. if nothing else helps, replace systemd with systemd-shim emulation (maybe also switching back to sysvinit). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217215637.1660a...@bendel.debian.org
Re: No halt/poweroff on an EliteBook 840 G1 after upgrade
Bjørn, > Yes, systemd will happily break existing ACPI PM setups without any > warning. > > The systemd point of view is that any breakage is caused by other > packages failing to detect that systemd is installed. And besides, that's how they shot down the Debian OpenBSD port, just like that. The said behavior even stands up against the kernel. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935#c36 That said. We just have to get used to systemd configuration. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141218125621.26cf6...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: No halt/poweroff on an EliteBook 840 G1 after upgrade
Florian, i did not mean it literally. I meant that systemd upstream rejected to care for any other kernel, than Linux, and that was the result. I can dig up the respective mails if you require me too, but it will be some work since i did not bookmark them (and i have no browser history). But, if you know the true story, then i'm not offend if you correct me. mi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141218212232.151e2...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: No halt/poweroff on an EliteBook 840 G1 after upgrade
Florian, Well, you can see it this way. I'd rather seen a bit more sensibility in doing that 'big step' when it means so much damage. > systemd is a big step for debian, but its not the cause for everything. Yes, true. Well, anyway, poweroff button stopped working for me too, on both my laptop and my PC, right after the systemd update switch. I did not like it and moved back to sysvinit, and suddenly poweroff worked again. But of course, it could be by case. So, my problem was rather that of 'good style'. Without any warning, or asking me for choice, my sophisticated custom init setup altogether with some hardware go screwed up, and that made me angry. I was not used to such a treatment from Debian, in all the years before, to the contrary, the updates used to ask me about every little thing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141218222403.34cfe...@mirrors.kernel.org
OT: Debian BSD port / systemd incompatibilities
Florian, > so the argument, that they "rejected to care for other kernels" is > simple invalid. if there are some developers who care, nobody will stop > them in getting the bsd port in shape for release. Please have mercy when i'm not really into the exact tech specs, and i'm not a developer either. But to my understanding, systemd explicitly requires kernel cgroups which are not implemented in other kernels types (BSD, Hurd). So how do you expect to get the BSD port 'in shape' ? I found a link, not the one i was reading, but anyway: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html "systemd is Linux-only. That means if we still care for those non-Linux platforms replacements have to be written." I've seen this kind of statement more often, from that person, and he's quite clearly the inofficial leader. That was May 2011. Since then, systemd expanded like a fungus into amazingly more essential subsystems. It's really becoming kind of a OS layer. Do you really expect BSD staff to 'rewrite' pretty much the whole thing ? In my view, the lack of these resources were clear from the beginning, and it was also clear tha abandoning compatibility will deeply separate those sister archs from the GNU/Linux mainstream. In the same post of 2011 Poettering already suggests tie systemd to Gnome, which in turn impacts the decision of many distros to accept the switch to systemd even if they did not like it. KDE now have no choice but to follow. If that course is continued (and it definitely will, as Poettering supports the Gnome OS thing) then some day soon BSD and other archs will not have that kind of desktop anymore. Well, ok, they could try fix their kernel. I don't know if this works out though. > the release team just decided, not to wait for them. I wonder if there will be nothing to wait for, anymore. mi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141219110642.7746e...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: OT: Debian BSD port / systemd incompatibilities
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589#c9 Status: RESOLVED FIXED -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141219113227.52ccb...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: No halt/poweroff on an EliteBook 840 G1 after upgrade
Like https://bugzilla.kernel.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=systemd https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=systemd https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Known_Issues_and_Workarounds ? > Could you please point me (us?) to a good and reasonably short summary > about the known issues in debian related to systemd, and how to switch > back to sysvinit, in case? There is no real switch back. Systemd grabbed libpam (login) which now is libpam-systemd, and is required by policy-kit, networkmanager, gdm, and finally just Gnome session, and also is required by udisks2 which k3b needs ... and so forth. You'll find something everywhere which finally pulls in systemd. So it will be installed anyway. But you can revert to the sysv init system (reading the rc files) by installing systemd-shim and sysvinit packages, and add kernel commandline 'init=/lib/sysvinit/init' (probably best in a separate menu entry added to /etc/grub.d/custom.cfg). At least this is how i understood things and it works for me. If your problem is just only hardware issues then this is probably overkill and you should just try to track it down and file a bug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141219115257.2e7f3...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: OT: Debian BSD port / systemd incompatibilities
Florian, > you never even tested (debian/bsd), and you are not working on it. > > So you spread fear to problems you don't have, you don't understand, and > you don't work on them. But which of these apply to you :) i wonder. But, anyway, OT as is, let's not extend it any further. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141219124521.75c3b...@mirrors.kernel.org
how to make debian use my swapfile for hibernation
Hey all, On my old laptop, i used a swap partition for hibernate. It could be declared to the kernel (or rather, pm-utils?) by "resume=/dev/sdx" parameter. Now i'm going with a /swapfile, already created and mkswapped, but dunno how to tell the system about it. There is https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation but, one reason i decided to go with a swap file, is to be able to easily change its size anytime later. But according to this manual, if i recreate it, i also have to adjust the offset stuff ? That's several fiddling steps (which i need to remember or at least to write down and remember where) -- folks, this is no more what i call 'easily'. So, i wonder if there is some magic piece of software that i still did not discover, which simply detects the swapfile automaticly and dynamically (like, configuring only the filename or Label) ? tia mi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150319004253.19c73...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: how to make debian use my swapfile for hibernation
Cindy, Your idea is pretty close to what really happens, but it's happening in another 'sphere'. You probably mean the 'export' shell builtin command. It is used in the context of the shell (the login environment), for example when compiling code from sources. A shelled login creates a conext environment, for example, parameters that define how this shell works for you. When you start a process from that shell (launching an application), it gets it's own processing environment, often with only rudimentary environment parameters. Typical processes are launching the desktop, or stuff done via sudo, or compiling sourcecode. With 'export', you can set variables in the 'outer' shell login context, which may be used by any process or sub-context. Imagine it as setting up satellites into the earth orbit so everybody can 'read' them :) So far my understanding, which is not derived from the manuals but my best guess :) Hibernation however belongs to the kernel space. That space is no more earth orbit, since it is created way before any login happens. The kernel deals with the hardware, with booting up the machine. It's rather like the sun, apparently a little different from any planets. Although a user can tell some system software (like pm-utils) about the device, it's not going to happen via export. It's a real system configuration. Next thing is, that system software tells the kernel, and the kernel saves the snapshot image. So far, no problem. But what happens when the machine wakes up again ? Now, the operating system (GNU/Linux) is not even running, only the kernel starts to boot up and now have to find the piece of information where the snapshot image is. If you were to 'export' this information for this time of wake-up, where to drop it so the kernel can read it ? One possibility is the so-called 'initrd', which really comes close to a satellite. Only that it's rather an asteroid, but packed with stuff that every userspace-ship needs to survive down here :) Another method is to tell the bootloader (eg. grub) by inserting it into the boot commandline. The bootloader then tells the kernel. Well, don't ask me what a bootloader would be, in our little planetary computer system. Maybe a kind of Stargate ... Anyway. My question hits the difference between swap partition and swap file. It's a little tricky. Both kernel and bootloader have no problem to identify a partition, but normally they can not identify a single file. That would require the filesystem driver already being launched (which implies *a lot* of other stuff, and besides there are two dozen different file systems), which simply isn't happening. BUT grub does have file system drivers, so why not using that ? Grub should be able to tell the offset to the kernel, no ? Requirement would be a unique name, like pagefile.linux :) Well, it may add another 1-2 seconds to the bootup time, though. Meanwhile, i configured the swapfile 'physical offset' as per manual, and it works. But it's so inelegant. > Hoping this at least maybe triggers another similar thought Well, many Laptop brands ship their specific boot partition together with the OEM generic Windows, and they implement all the stuff that Windows would have difficulties with. I guess you can do this with Linux as well, only it requires a certain amount of work and time. It's rather a miracle that even a generic Linux *does* work on so many different machines... so, i do not want to complain for real. mi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150319033954.30401...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: how to make debian use my swapfile for hibernation
Florian, > too. There is no guarantee that the filesystem will not change the > offset. An FSCK Uh, i did not think of that...hmpf. Indeed, that's a problem. Well, as a workaround, i could figure the actual offset by boot script and ... uhm ... put it where ... ? (Building a new initrd in case it differs ? Ugly again...) Argh, this stuff is so cumbersome. Why the heck won't grub just lookout for the file, it does have file sys drivers no ? Only putting the path and name into grub should be enough. And even the kernel could figure the offset himself when hibernating. Well, somehow it does not seem an urgent todo for developers. Most people do only suspend their devices anyway. And buy new batteries more often... > Just use LVM Can i convert the existing partitions into LVM ? It was quite some work to configure this very specific laptop... It's another question how all that works out with a flash drive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150320192315.5e929...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev bb) and ilwifi on debian jessie
Maiky, > I'm running 3.16, but I can't use wifi. You did not tell the reason. IMHO in English, "can't" can mean it works, but you won't do it. > If I load Ubuntu Live using the "use only libre software" option at boot > everything work well. I do not understand this piece. If the nonfree iwlwifi firmware is needed then does Ubuntu still include it ? What about 'only libre' then ? OTOH if the firmware is not needed, why should you install it. By the way, did you at some point (temporarily) switch off wifi in the BIOS ? Then, a booting linux kernel can't see it at all and if that was an installation then maybe the proper drivers don't get installed. Just an idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150320202618.55158...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Debian Wheezy on Dell 7535
Gajadur, There is /etc/default/halt (or so, i'm no more using Debian), you can try to switch to the alternative. Maybe it works... If not, try to find out which command (as root or via sudo, from a terminal) does shut down the machine. For example, "shutdown -h now" should never do a reboot. If that command works, put it into a xfce4 panel button and use that instead of 'logout'. Or just hack the logout button. hth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330211247.672ea...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Debian Wheezy on Dell 7535
Dwijesh, What happens when you shut down from a boot DVD (life CD) Linux ? Like GRML oder some installer disk. www.grml.org If that works then try to install the same kernel. Anyway, does it work from Windows (does the laptop still have that ?), and can you do the Dell hardware check ? Should be onboard, otherwise try support, like http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/inspiron-15-7537/diagnose (this was the model closest to your 7535 that i could find though) Maybe it's worth to look into BIOS and switch off some IRQs or ports that you never need... If even Windows does not shut down then it's probably a warranty case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150331115716.28adf...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Debian on Acer Aspire E15
Dave, aptitude install firmware-atheros or apt-get install firmware-atheros will choose the most recent version available. If that is not what you need, then it's probably easier to use aptitude as a interactive application (start without any option) and do the downgrade manually - with aptitude, any dependency conflicts can be resolved automatically or manually, the latter is lots useful with backports. It would require to learn the aptitude key navigation, but it's worth it. For a quick shot you can try to download the package file (firmware-atheros_0.43~bpo70+1_all.deb) and install it with dpkg: dpkg -i firmware-atheros_0.43~bpo70+1_all.deb but if i recall right, this would not solve any dependency conflicts automagically, it only warns you and aborts. Make sure that general updates do not upgrade the package version too (you may put a file into /etc/apt/öpreferences.d). With aptitude, set the package to 'hold' (h). (i didn't use backports or downgrades in ages, sorry can't be more specific) (plus i'm on archlinux right now, can't lookup things easily) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150405140407.518bb...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Debian on Acer Aspire E15
wow, that's solid advice. Dave, what i've written before was off the road. Please do Loredanas thing. And i beg your pardon, i should not answer in a hurry, wen i'm not even in the position to do. (Is it Horsefall, for real ?? another wow. take care.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150405211637.36d88...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Debian Wheezy on Dell 7535
Dwijesh, Glad it works for you now. Anyway, i never suggested a firmware / BIOS update, though it's a really good idea with very new laptops, so please honor your own right doecision :) Just for the records, how did you do the update ? From the a Dell 'rescue&repair' boot (the dell system partition) or from Windows ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150406235750.09d17...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Laptop
Tobias, I installed Jessie on 4 year old Lenovo Thinkpad X301 (small) and 410 (larger), both with 128M SSD. As far as for my standard usage, anything works. I didn't try the WiMAX/ WWAN-GPS stuff or fingerprint sensor. You may lookout for Swiss keyboards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412002626.569ab...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Laptop
The libreboot laptop mentioned by Francesco have Intel AMT removed. I didn't even know what this feature does, and looked it up. It's no surprise that corporate giants like Intel oder AMD evolve into that direction, but still, thinking about the kind of implicit power (for example, theoreticaly they could activate webcam and mic and transmit over WLAN) makes me shrivel. Gross: "Security technologies that protect access to the AMT features are built into the hardware and firmware. As with other hardware-based features of AMT, the security technologies are active even if the PC is powered off, the OS is crashed, software agents are missing, or hardware (such as a hard drive or memory) has failed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412005400.0a04a...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Laptop
In the past, installed GNU/Linux on Dell Inspiron as well. It's kind of sad that after so many years, recommendations still are Dell and Thinkpad (which is Lenovo of China now - go figure ...). I'm not up to date but maybe there are more options today. Intel based http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/ https://system76.com/laptops Dell http://emperorlinux.com/ http://thelinuxlaptop.com/stealth-linux-laptop.php Lenovo (?) http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Models (very old models still from IBM) Compatibility reviews http://linux-laptop.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412140431.0c1ad...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Laptop
Hi Loredana > Most modern laptop are much less powerful than older ones (as a rough measure > compare processor speed) I'm not sure about it. For example, my T401 have Intel Quadcore, and i believe most modern laptops have a multi core CPU. You probably know how parallel processing beats single core in speed even with lower per-core frequency. it also reduces heat and noise (by fan activity). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412143813.3d929...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Laptop
ah sorry i mistyped it all the time. It's a Thinkpad T410s not 401. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412143921.13f52...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Installing Debian with only 64mb RAM
Have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Linux_distribution Yes, with an old Laptop one really should chose a rather old kernel, but then, the latest 'stable' Debian possibly will not run on that thing (for example, systemd). So you would either chose an old Debian in the first place, or use some specialised minimal Linux. 64 M is a tough condition. Maybe you're already in the 'embedded systems' class with this ... ps. Maybe obvious, but still, for the final OS, you could install only a windowmanager as minimalistic desktop, for example, fluxbox or Windowmaker. Better not install a KDE or Gnome session. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150419040400.7be05...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Graphical display is black after upgrade from Debian 7 to 8
Ulff, I lost the thread already, sorry, but just in case you didn't know. Yuo probably have to debug this in 'single user mode' which you can get by grub, if the grub menu displays at all. (Try hitting escape, then chose 'advanced options' or maybe 'e' for edit to see the options). Lookup the 'linux' line. Booting the 'single' entry, you hopefully get a root console. Now you can lookup the graphic card via 'lspci -v' (maybe send us the result) and you can install packages with apt-get. If you know how to use aptitude, install and use this. If you install the meta-package xorg-driver-video then xorg will try to chose the best guess as driver. There are fallbacks like VESA framebuffer, so at least something should work. Do 'less /etc/X11/xorg.conf' to see if there's a driver preconfigured. Maybe disable that by renaming the file so something like xorg.conf-suspendet and relaunch X. (Xorg doesn't need this file, it figures things out by itself, but you still can place 'override' defaults here) by the way, if you need more extensive debugging you should temporarily disable the login manager (lightgdm or kdm or so) from the boot scripts. Today that's done via systemd 'systemctl' but i can't tell you exactly how, since i'm not using that init system. Without login manager, you can reboot and end hopefully up in textconsole login. Now you can login as root, and on another console (try Alt + arrows) as user. Just do 'startx' or 'xinit' from the user console, and immediately see the result. It just comes to my minid, if you don't know how to disable services, it might be easier to temporarily deinstall the loginmanager completely. good luck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150506162006.01c3a...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Memory usage Debian Jessie (stable)
> short of memory just because browsers (and, > more generally, graphics) are blowing up without control. From the point of the browser developers, their browsers got burdened with all kind of tasks that were desktop applications in the past: Multimedia, dynamic content from multiple sources, all kind of interactivities, independent processes, and countless plugins and snapp-in apps with nearly inpredictable interactions. And before all, the desktop simply becomes the internet. In fact, i know young people who already do not know what concepts like desktop or browser mean or what it's good for. Before talking about 'bloating browsers' one should consider this a paradigma change, and a future where the word 'browser' becomes meaningless. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150510185212.2718b...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Memory usage Debian Jessie (stable)
Sreedhav, Your links appear to not support the complaint. > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/firefox-3-0-4-overheats-system-memory-and-cpu-use-inacceptable-687418/ and that one is way old (Jan 2008) > A great song by Simon & Art Garfunkel- I Am a Rock with lyrics -url: finally, maybe this was the most useful link of your post ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150511012123.2fb43...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: Cant Boot into system
Arghya, You don't need any sudo when the script is run by init, because it will be executed with system (root) authority. Just make it one line echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch and it should work. That is, if "OFF" is correct here, and "vgaswitcheroo" really sounds a little weird to me too. (You didn't activate spelling auto completion, writing the script on your smartphone, no ?) It's not immediately clear to me why your system hangs. Maybe the switch does not what you expect. You should disable or remove the script and do more checks, like booting into 'single' mode and do the thing and check if it makes a difference. If you need to fix your system try to get the bootloaders (grub) commandline (press Esc or e, i can't quite remember) and add 'init=/bin/sh' to the linux kernel parameters. Then continue the boot (there is a short key helper at the bottom). If you can't access grub because it's blocked then you need a boot DVD to get a commandline, like the installer disk or grml or something. Mount th partition on some arbitrary folder (like /mnt/mydisk) and repair, or better, remove the script. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150519033249.3423c...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: cant boot into system
Arghya, > i can get into root terminal through elementary OS recovery mode but i cant > remove the entry from system startup. If update.rc does not work for you (for whatever reasons) just delete the script in init.d - that alone should suffice to give you a normal boot again, and you can clean up the (now broken) rc symlinks later. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3lrkcm5x3yz5...@dovecot03.posteo.de
USB audio device (webcam) for thinkpad 410
Hello, First of all: I can listen to music in all the players, by internal speakers or by headset headphones. I bought a Creative Live HD VF 0790 usb webcam, which is advertised to work with Linux, and plugged it into a Thinkpad 410s. According to dmesg, it is recognized by name and the kernel (v. 4.0.5) seems to use the uvc driver. According to lspci, there are HDA Intel 5 Series / 3400 audio chipset and a 'Mic' and 'Dock Mic' device on PCI. I can also see a CX20585 'hdaudioC1D0' type 'speaker', which appears as audio device in the players. It appears as both output and mic device in audacity. Somewhere i read i should make sure /dev/audio* gets created after i plug in the webcam. I can see a /dev/video0 appearing, but there is no /dev/audio*. I can see the Live cam named correctly as a capture device in xfce4-mixer (using ALSA) , it is the only channel shown for this device, and i turned it to maximal. For the the HDA Intel device, i turned all capture / mic channels either off or to 100 or 50%, it does not make any difference with regard to the tested applications. After starting guvcview, i have the video working but there seems to be no audio input (capture). Although i don't even know exactly how to test this. Just 'captured' video sequences and played them in vlc - always no audio. In guvcview, i can switch audio to the Live cam audio device. Then, the visible meter shows maximal (100%, red) input w/o me doing anything, and it does not respond to noise or voice. Still, saving a test stream, the result has no audio. Later on, after some reboot, it does not even show the noise thing, just dead silence. The guvcview, audio controls button lets me choose the API: No sound, portaudio, or pulseaudio. I did not install pulseaudio and would prefer to avoid it. Can't i use a webcam w/o pulseaudio ? Do i need jackd fpr 'portaudio' ? I installed jackd (version 2) and started it with qjackctl but it does not seem to make a difference. I tested some other other applications. In audacity, there is the 'Click to start monitoring' thing on the microphone meter. With internal mic, it works as expected, i can record my voice. With Live cam device (which is shown correctly and i can chose it as capture device) there are exactly 2 signals, depending on the XFCE4 alsamixer adjustment: With capture channel off, there is zero signal, with anything else, it's 100% (red) and just loud noise. As mentioned above, after some testing and reboot, all zero, not even the noise remained. I had to stop the testing at this point because i'm running out of time. vlc does also not 'capture' audio, when it records a webcam sequence (the video is working but no sound). Does 'cheese' indicate audio at all ? As a means of avoiding the problem in the first place, i plugged my headset into the laptop audio port (the small plug thing at the left side which has a headset symbol) and tried all these applications again. But i can't get any audio input, if anything then the internal / inbuilt mic is used. (It's easy to test, if you go away the audio signal faints accordingly)- I simply don't know how to say 'use the headset audio port'. With my old Thinkpad T61 the headset worked out of the box once plugged in. (No more here, can't compare anymore) In all the mentioned applications, i can't see any choice offered like 'internal mic' or 'headset mic'. xfce-mixer has some IEC9something audio switches disabled, which i don't know about, but they made no difference. To summarize, i have two problems: 1) The onboard mic is very low quality and i really want to get either the headset or the webcam microphone working. 2) I do not know how to check, in a video chat application, the webcam audio input. Normally it would not send my own talk to the laptop output device, no ? Do i need to actually talk to someone ? But i would prefer to install skype only after i having the hardware running, in case this comes with its own trouble. But if you think i should debug this with skype, i'd give this a try. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150613041844.62586...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: USB audio device (webcam) for thinkpad 410
Jan-Rens, > What's the output of: > > $lsusb -v | grep Device Buss 002 Device 003: ID 041e:4097Creative Technology, Ltd then some Root Hubs and the Mouse -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-laptop-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150613115001.5f560...@mirrors.kernel.org
Wireless manager
Hello, I'm having a hard time to find a wireless connection manager appropriate for some kids Laptops. In Android, you got the list of access points and you tap on one and enter the passphrase, and that's it. Is there anything comparable for a linux desktop, which does not require to enter a SSID manually oder chose which encryption and all the stuff that network manager applet (for xfce) seems to require ? Micha
Re: Wireless manager
Ionel, > Have a look at wicd. I use wicd-gtk -n because I do not run a desktop > manager. Many thanks. I'm testing this right now and the installer says 'add wicd to your systemd configuration', do you know how to do this ?
Re: Wireless manager
Ah, i guess it's just 'systemctl enable wicd'. I'm still running sysvinit and are not too familiar with systemd.
Re: Wireless manager
Ionel, Testing the wicd-gtk thingy now and it looks great. Maybe a little complicated for kids on first look, but after all they still need only to click and insert the passphrase and that's what i was looking for. Thanks you very much.
Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Well, guess what i'm asking here :) Is there a bluetooth manager for exchange data with Android smartphones, which is approxmiately as easy to use as the Android side (meaning usable even for kids) ?
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Matus, It's about up- / downloading music and photos. It should be usable for kids, so an easy graphical frontend is required. Just as easy as it works with android <-> android. > On 06.09.15 15:16, Michael wrote: > >Is there a bluetooth manager for exchange data with Android smartphones, > > which is approxmiately as easy to use as the Android side (meaning usable > > even for kids) ? > > I think any bluetooth application should be able to communicate with android > phones. The question is, what do you want to do with it, e.g. sync your data?
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Like, download photos from the phone to the computer, upload music files to the smartphone. One Linux bluetooth manager for all kind of files, talking to the android bluetooth manager. Is that possible ?
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Cindy, Many thanks ! Just for the records, i first tired 'blueberry' but it diint work ... esepcially when downloadig files from the smartphone, it disconnects immediately. So i tried your suggestion blueman (which also pulls in the 'bluez' backend stuff) and yes, it works. But somehow it's icky at least in XFCE ... it does not appear in the systray (although i enabled the bluetooth daemon via systemctl and rebooted), is slow in connecting, and clutters the screen with send file messages for every single file, which is ugly when sending 100 files at once. Half of the preferences items are no accessible, without any explanation, and there anyway didn't seem to be any explanations (like desktop notify messages) about anything that failed. My feeling is, the whole thing would appear rather unappealing, and complicated, to the kids in question. Well, but it works. I realize it's tedious to select many (like in 50 or 100) files via small screen touchpad, no matter if android gallery of file manager. I wonder if there is a way to access just the android (sdcard) file system from the laptop via bluetooth. Just like a Windows or NFS share. So i could use a comfortable laptop file manager, or at least it's large screen and mouse. Anybody knows ?
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Also, right now (transferring photos from android to laptop) i've got a transfer rate of 200 Bytes (yes) per second ... which is kind of amazing. It means downloading 100 photos will take forever. Is that normal ?? I remember transferring files from android <-> android much faster.
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Well, the situation is, these kids have easily 2 - 3 Gigabytes of media files (including many own video clips each usually between 50 - 100 Mbyte) on their smartphones which i would like them - for various reasons - backup to their laptops; but they wont use a cable connection, which, anyway, did not work on linux for me so far. But i won't try to solve this problem because todays kids really refuse to use cables and plugs anyway. Actually they don't even have this kind of equipment, and never seen it, using second hand smartphones w/o any adds. And yes it sucks but it is eat or die :) i learned that for sure. They never use anything that requires some effort. Next task is upload several hundred music files, from their laptops. And they should be able to do all this on their own, and frequently. So we really need some transfer speed ...
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Ranf, Thank you ! > Have look at the Android-App AirDroid. You access the phone over Wifi from a > browser on the desktop. Can't test this right now. Just let me ask beforehand, what kind of browser ? A specific AirDroid browser, or just something like Firefox ? Can i transfer multiple files (like, a complete folder) with this, in both directions ?
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Uhm, i am really not looking for a cloud storage / cloud desktop solution ... as fascinating as it is - but what i am looking for, need work w/o internet access.
Re: Bluetooth manager for connecting to Android
Eric, I'm on the road now and only occasionally online. > FYI, gphotofs and gthumb, tools that depend on gphoto2, work very well > for a cable connection with Android phones, at least for photos. But it definitely has to work for video and music files too, and i doubt gphoto will deal with them ... > You can also use the Internet, i.e. WiFi in a local network, by using > FTP from the phone. That's indeed a good idea. There should be some easy graphical ftp clients too (if not just their familiar file browser). I guess rsync exchange should be possible too. Well it would depend on usability for kids. btw. isn't there a possibility to establish an ad hoc WiFi connection ? > to use for your kids, I don't know but my experience is that kids often > know more than I do... Yes they're fast learning but the same time, are totally lazy :) well maybe it's also a question of gender, but i certainly don't want to stumble into prejudice flame wars here :) > > they don't even have this kind of equipment, and never seen it, using > > How do they charge their phones? Most phones use micro USB for charging > and the same cable that goes to the power plug can connect to the > computer... I know, but they don't have that kind of charger. Only cheap 'one way' chargers with only one USB (micro) plug. Anyway, with cable, he one thing that would work is if the Androids' external SD card appears as storage in the laptop file browser. Anything else would be too complicated...or at least, unpopular. But i could not get the connection working on my own Android, so ... But anyway, i wonder if i shouldn't start a new thread since the original bluetooth question is solved now?
Connecting Linux and iOS (iPad)
Hello, here is another tricky question ... Can i network-connect (WiFi) a linux laptop with an iPhone or iPad for copying files (in both directions) ? Something like NFS or Samba ?
Re: Connecting Linux and iOS (iPad)
Jerome, Sounds good. I'll need more time but i will try it out ! thx
Android again
Hi there, Does anybody know if i there is an Debian package for 'aafm' somewhere out in the net ? https://github.com/sole/aafm I could install aafm in archlinux (from the AUR repository) and it worked out of the box. greets mi
Re: Android again
Ricardo, Thanks for the link ! Let's see if i can screw it in ... !
Re: Android again
Seems to work without too much hassle. I had to first install android-tools-adb which is available from the Debian testing package servers. Then i could dpkg -i the downloaded Ubuntu aafm package. Next i had to insert some udev rules manually, following https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Adb#Configuring_adb (I still wonder if i have to replace the group "adbusers" with the debian group "adb" here ?) I figured i have to start aafm as root, and created a sudoers entry. There's a small problem left: Though adb can fully access the main card (/storage/sdcard0), i can't write to the external one (/storage/extSdCard), which albeit is the one where i would copy over media files. Well, as last resort i always can move the stuff with the android file manager. greets --micha ps. Nice thing is the adb shell, the commands are listed here: http://developer.android.com/tools/help/shell.html#shellcommands
