Re: Xfree downgrade
And suddenly Daniel Frencham had this magical idea: > I noticed the packages are under 'stable', is there any way I can use > apt-get to grab them without changing my sources.list? > Doesn't sound right to me.. Are you sure your package lists etc are complete? I run the NeoMagic 3.3.6 driver from Woody on my laptop, no problem. The 4.1.0 driver is buggy. -- *=-+-__________ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ i can.org sens a mb c package ada \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: naive question: XFree86 4.1 and Debian Potato: after installation
And suddenly Rolf Heckemann had this magical idea: > X Window applications can install what is called a private color map > if the number of colors available from the X server is insufficient. > You probably have a color depth of 8 bits set up. To change this, > open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and find 'Section "Screen"'. Insert > 'DefaultDepth 16' after the line 'Monitor "whatever"', then restart > the X server. That will give you 2^16 colors, eliminating the need > for private color maps. Valid values for default depth depend on your > server. > Some people don't have enough video RAM for that, like me.. I have 896KB vRAM. Solution: Created a custom modeline for a 800x570 mode. Works perfectly... :-) -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ the ne x ser depth a color map in \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tpconfig
And suddenly Derek Broughton had this magical idea: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Yuck! I wish people wouldn't do that on mailing lists > I don't really 'need' it either, but it's a VERY common thing on debian-devel, so I suggest you not to read that group. ;-) I have more something of a hardware problem. My laptop works PERFECTLY. (Dell Latitude XPi P133ST) It runs Woody for some days now, which is a nice thing too. But yesterday the thing started to do strange things. It turns itself off and can't be switched on again. When I try to switch the thing on, the power and two battery LEDs blink (and also the keyboard LEDs IIRC) but nothing else happens. But when I remove the cover etc and try again, the thing works like nothing happened... Sounds like some sort of electricity failure, but that doesn't explain the blinking LEDs. At least not to me. (They don't blink when there is no battery/AC..) Anyone else knows this weird behaviour? :-/ Wilmer van der Gaast. -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ ing that its maill colpsmousectio \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hardware probem (was: Re: tpconfig...)
And suddenly Karl E. Jorgensen had this magical idea: > I never got a solution (apart from a brand-new laptop from my company), > but I'm going to send it in to a local guy for attempted repairs. > > Be sure that you have backups - sounds like your hardware is going > bad... > Uh oh.. All I can say is that the problem suddenly disappeared two days ago. I don't understand, but I don't want to either, the thing should just work. Just bought it a month ago.. Thanks for the info, I feel safe now.. ;-) -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ ing to som a be the i bacgkqipvvw \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on a 486 with 2 mb?
And suddenly derZiegelmann had this magical idea: > i got a ibm ps/2 n51sx recently (by accident ;-)) with win 3.1 installed on > it. now i'm wondering if it is possible to install debian on it. if it is > possbile then i have another problem, because the laptop only has a floppy > drive. is there a version which could be installed from floppy? or can i > split the whole bundle manually? > You can try installing a very old Slackware/Debian on it. Probably with a 2.0 kernel or older. I think there's not much else you can do with it.. -- *=-+-______ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ it i got a floppy an installe the \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: low resolution with NeoMagic drivers?
And suddenly Tuukka Toivonen had this magical idea: > Is it possible to get low resolution but truecolor mode > (over 256-colors) with X and Neomagic 2160A chipset? > You can try putting this in your Device Section in /etc/XF86Config: Option "override_validate_mode" I used it to force X to use my home-made 800x570 Modeline. I don't have enough VRAM for 16-bit 800x600 so I removes 30 scanlines. :-) It works perfectly. Keep in mind that the docs warn you against using this, it can damage LCD screens, they say. I don't know how dangerous it really is. -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ i but the to is becand like se do \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Windows on a Laptop?
Rest my case... ;-) -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ hi ing a laptop is ally arch ad m \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFS won't daemonize
And suddenly Prince Mathew Samuel had this magical idea: > I changed my init script to yours and it worked!! Tell me, shouldn't the > script have been changed when I changed to X 4.1.0? Or is it that the X > installation doesn't take care of that? > The default init script should've worked.. Could you generate a diff of the two scripts, or at least send the old script? Maybe it's some sort of evil bug which has to be fixed.. ;-) -- + .''`. - -- ---+ + - -- --- - --+ | lintux : :' : lintux.cx | | Unix and CGI @ IOI/NIO(Dutch)at | | at `. `~' debian.org | | www.lintux.cx/ www.algoritme.nl | +--- -- - ` ---+ +-- - --- -- - + -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disk waker
Hello, I have noflushd running for quite some time now. Works quite well, but not perfectly yet. Sometimes the drive just suddenly spins on whil I'm not doing anything. Is there any way to trace the process which did I/O at that time? I know strace, tried it on almost all processes I think, but still I can't find it. :-/ Any idea? Or should I go on stracing?.. -- + .''`. - -- ---+ + - -- --- ---- ----- --+ | lintux : :' : lintux.cx | | Unix and CGI @ IOI/NIO(Dutch)at | | at `. `~' debian.org | | www.lintux.cx/ www.algoritme.nl | +--- -- - ` ---+ +-- - --- -- - + -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk waker
And suddenly Björn Eriksson had this magical idea: > No neat ideas I'm afraid but if you decide to go through with it please > post your experiences back to the list. > At the moment I think it's quite fixed by removing Postfix. I do need it sometimes, but usually it's there for nothing.. I should also try the noatime thing, of course. One day I'll try to create a nice program to trace the naughty disk wakers.. -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ be ne proces and but ing ide the \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk waker
And suddenly Heather had this magical idea: > Or run sendmail in queue-only, and only run the outbound command when you > bloody well feel like it. > Sendmail.. Postfix should be able to do the same thing. (Just that I don't know how..) I prefer to run one and the same MTA on all my machines. > Tell syslong not to make "marks" very often. You can even turn them off. > And tell it not to log stuff you're going to ignore (e.g. lpd, uucp aren't > real common laptop accessories). > How could syslog ever log UUCP messages when the machine doesn't run UUCP? ;-) Only thing left now is those not-interesting DHCP messages.. But does a laptop really need any syslogd? I think I should just remove it, or log to /dev/tty10 only. Or a small ramdisk.. -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ and a den to it tell if you blog \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can anyone recommend a release of debian for old toshiba laptop?
And suddenly Masterson, Cian had this magical idea: > I have just obtained an old clockwork-driven Toshiba T4400C laptop with a > 486 and ~200MB hard drive. Can anyone recommend a release of Debian to run > on this? There is no ethernet card, CDROM or PCMCIA slots so I figure I > will be installing it via SLIP/PLIP... > Any release will do, I think. Just don't run things like X on this thing.. -- *=-+-______ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ can there i figurecom obtaine jus \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and 8 mb
And suddenly Frank Trenkamp had this magical idea: > do you know icewm already? Fast, even on slow machines, low memory footprint, > fully configurable (of course). Should be available as a .deb. > How low? PWM usually consumes less than a megabyte on my system, and still it is pretty and has very nifty features! http://freshmeat.net/projects/pwm/ -- *=-+-__ |lintux-@t-lintux-d0t-cx: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ hi d be a .de of con onfigurank f \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: learning programming
Jürgen A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:20:09 +0100:
> Correction: If you want to learn programming, Perl is the *wrong*
> language.
>
Nope, not at all. Perl is like C, C++, Java, etc. Python is like Basic. To
become a good programmer you should get used of ; and { and } as soon as
possible. ;-)
So you can spend some time on Python, but do switch to C (or Perl first)
ASAP.
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Re: Xfree downgrade
And suddenly Daniel Frencham had this magical idea: > I noticed the packages are under 'stable', is there any way I can use > apt-get to grab them without changing my sources.list? > Doesn't sound right to me.. Are you sure your package lists etc are complete? I run the NeoMagic 3.3.6 driver from Woody on my laptop, no problem. The 4.1.0 driver is buggy. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ i can.org sens a mb c package ada \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: naive question: XFree86 4.1 and Debian Potato: after installation
And suddenly Rolf Heckemann had this magical idea: > X Window applications can install what is called a private color map > if the number of colors available from the X server is insufficient. > You probably have a color depth of 8 bits set up. To change this, > open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and find 'Section "Screen"'. Insert > 'DefaultDepth 16' after the line 'Monitor "whatever"', then restart > the X server. That will give you 2^16 colors, eliminating the need > for private color maps. Valid values for default depth depend on your > server. > Some people don't have enough video RAM for that, like me.. I have 896KB vRAM. Solution: Created a custom modeline for a 800x570 mode. Works perfectly... :-) -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ the ne x ser depth a color map in \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: tpconfig
And suddenly Derek Broughton had this magical idea: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Yuck! I wish people wouldn't do that on mailing lists > I don't really 'need' it either, but it's a VERY common thing on debian-devel, so I suggest you not to read that group. ;-) I have more something of a hardware problem. My laptop works PERFECTLY. (Dell Latitude XPi P133ST) It runs Woody for some days now, which is a nice thing too. But yesterday the thing started to do strange things. It turns itself off and can't be switched on again. When I try to switch the thing on, the power and two battery LEDs blink (and also the keyboard LEDs IIRC) but nothing else happens. But when I remove the cover etc and try again, the thing works like nothing happened... Sounds like some sort of electricity failure, but that doesn't explain the blinking LEDs. At least not to me. (They don't blink when there is no battery/AC..) Anyone else knows this weird behaviour? :-/ Wilmer van der Gaast. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ ing that its maill colpsmousectio \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: Hardware probem (was: Re: tpconfig...)
And suddenly Karl E. Jorgensen had this magical idea: > I never got a solution (apart from a brand-new laptop from my company), > but I'm going to send it in to a local guy for attempted repairs. > > Be sure that you have backups - sounds like your hardware is going > bad... > Uh oh.. All I can say is that the problem suddenly disappeared two days ago. I don't understand, but I don't want to either, the thing should just work. Just bought it a month ago.. Thanks for the info, I feel safe now.. ;-) -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ ing to som a be the i bacgkqipvvw \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: debian on a 486 with 2 mb?
And suddenly derZiegelmann had this magical idea: > i got a ibm ps/2 n51sx recently (by accident ;-)) with win 3.1 installed on > it. now i'm wondering if it is possible to install debian on it. if it is > possbile then i have another problem, because the laptop only has a floppy > drive. is there a version which could be installed from floppy? or can i > split the whole bundle manually? > You can try installing a very old Slackware/Debian on it. Probably with a 2.0 kernel or older. I think there's not much else you can do with it.. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ it i got a floppy an installe the \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: low resolution with NeoMagic drivers?
And suddenly Tuukka Toivonen had this magical idea: > Is it possible to get low resolution but truecolor mode > (over 256-colors) with X and Neomagic 2160A chipset? > You can try putting this in your Device Section in /etc/XF86Config: Option "override_validate_mode" I used it to force X to use my home-made 800x570 Modeline. I don't have enough VRAM for 16-bit 800x600 so I removes 30 scanlines. :-) It works perfectly. Keep in mind that the docs warn you against using this, it can damage LCD screens, they say. I don't know how dangerous it really is. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ i but the to is becand like se do \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: Why Windows on a Laptop?
Rest my case... ;-) -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ hi ing a laptop is ally arch ad m \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: XFS won't daemonize
And suddenly Prince Mathew Samuel had this magical idea: > I changed my init script to yours and it worked!! Tell me, shouldn't the > script have been changed when I changed to X 4.1.0? Or is it that the X > installation doesn't take care of that? > The default init script should've worked.. Could you generate a diff of the two scripts, or at least send the old script? Maybe it's some sort of evil bug which has to be fixed.. ;-) -- + .''`. - -- ---+ + - -- --- - --+ | lintux : :' : lintux.cx | | Unix and CGI @ IOI/NIO(Dutch)at | | at `. `~' debian.org | | www.lintux.cx/ www.algoritme.nl | +--- -- - ` ---+ +-- - --- -- - +
Disk waker
Hello, I have noflushd running for quite some time now. Works quite well, but not perfectly yet. Sometimes the drive just suddenly spins on whil I'm not doing anything. Is there any way to trace the process which did I/O at that time? I know strace, tried it on almost all processes I think, but still I can't find it. :-/ Any idea? Or should I go on stracing?.. -- + .''`. - -- ---+ + - -- --- ---- ----- --+ | lintux : :' : lintux.cx | | Unix and CGI @ IOI/NIO(Dutch)at | | at `. `~' debian.org | | www.lintux.cx/ www.algoritme.nl | +--- -- - ` ---+ +-- - --- -- - +
Re: Disk waker
And suddenly Björn Eriksson had this magical idea: > No neat ideas I'm afraid but if you decide to go through with it please > post your experiences back to the list. > At the moment I think it's quite fixed by removing Postfix. I do need it sometimes, but usually it's there for nothing.. I should also try the noatime thing, of course. One day I'll try to create a nice program to trace the naughty disk wakers.. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ be ne proces and but ing ide the \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: Disk waker
And suddenly Heather had this magical idea: > Or run sendmail in queue-only, and only run the outbound command when you > bloody well feel like it. > Sendmail.. Postfix should be able to do the same thing. (Just that I don't know how..) I prefer to run one and the same MTA on all my machines. > Tell syslong not to make "marks" very often. You can even turn them off. > And tell it not to log stuff you're going to ignore (e.g. lpd, uucp aren't > real common laptop accessories). > How could syslog ever log UUCP messages when the machine doesn't run UUCP? ;-) Only thing left now is those not-interesting DHCP messages.. But does a laptop really need any syslogd? I think I should just remove it, or log to /dev/tty10 only. Or a small ramdisk.. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ and a den to it tell if you blog \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: Can anyone recommend a release of debian for old toshiba laptop?
And suddenly Masterson, Cian had this magical idea: > I have just obtained an old clockwork-driven Toshiba T4400C laptop with a > 486 and ~200MB hard drive. Can anyone recommend a release of Debian to run > on this? There is no ethernet card, CDROM or PCMCIA slots so I figure I > will be installing it via SLIP/PLIP... > Any release will do, I think. Just don't run things like X on this thing.. -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ can there i figurecom obtaine jus \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: X and 8 mb
And suddenly Frank Trenkamp had this magical idea: > do you know icewm already? Fast, even on slow machines, low memory > footprint, > fully configurable (of course). Should be available as a .deb. > How low? PWM usually consumes less than a megabyte on my system, and still it is pretty and has very nifty features! http://freshmeat.net/projects/pwm/ -- *=-+-__ |[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __ : http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ hi d be a .de of con onfigurank f \ ~~-+-=-+~+-=*
Re: learning programming
Jürgen A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:20:09 +0100:
> Correction: If you want to learn programming, Perl is the *wrong*
> language.
>
Nope, not at all. Perl is like C, C++, Java, etc. Python is like Basic. To
become a good programmer you should get used of ; and { and } as soon as
possible. ;-)
So you can spend some time on Python, but do switch to C (or Perl first)
ASAP.
--
*=-+-__
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ Ugh! Nio2f says something: __
: http://www.lintux.cx/ |/ gnat a fo be to con httpww.codec \
~~-+-=-+~+-=*
