Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)
>>"Mark" == Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> I think this is the problem. I shouldn't have to do the configuring Mark> myself because make-kpkg should do it for me. For some reason it Mark> seems that it doesn't. It sounds like a bug with make-kpkg. No, this is pilot error. Please read the documentation that comes with kernel-package; it details exactly what one needs to do. manoj -- To live is always desirable. Eleen the Capellan, "Friday's Child", stardate 3498.9 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: Why Linux on a Laptop?
>>"Alec" == Alec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Alec> I'm wondering what everyone's motivation is for using Linux on a laptop Alec> instead of Cygwin + Windows. Why would one want a slow, bloated PDA that crashes often and does not come bundled in with a decent type setting system that understands kerning? manoj puzzled (BTW, I really use my inspiron as a development box when I am visiting the office) -- "Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts." Vice President Dan Quayle Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Mike" == Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, it didn't work when I did it the make-kpkg way (I believe I was > following the direction on the WIRELESS-LAN-HOWTO). Doing it the standard > Linux way (aka "the hard way") works every time, and on every Linux distro. I don't know what the WIRELESS-LAN-HOWTO says, but, for the record, I also make my own kernel images and pcmcia modules, and it works every time, for the only Linux distribution I really care about. manoj -- Fanatics have their dreams, wherewith they weave a paradise for a sect." Keats Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Ivar" == Ivar Alm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For the record, I made my kernels the "Linux way" before, but as I got > acquainted with make-kpkg, I stick to it. The only modification I need > is that after the installation of created kernel package, I need to > modify some link names in the root dir. Since I have more than one > kernel installed, I cannot have them all named 'vmlinuz'... :) I have 7 kernel images installed at this time. I have 5 symlinks in /; namely vmlinuz, vmlinuz.old, vmlinuz.stable, vmlinuz.unstable, vmlinuz.last-resort. Two of these links are handled automatically; and I seldom changed the other 3, even when I used lilo. I do not need these five links, though, since I now use grub. Could you explain to me why you need more than two automanaged links? What kind of changes you do need to make? It would help to perhaps improve kernel-package if I could understand the motivation and assess the need for a change in behaviour. manoj -- You're definitely on their list. The question to ask next is what list it is. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Mike" == Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) had this to say on 02/08/03 at 03:09: >> >> I don't know what the WIRELESS-LAN-HOWTO says, but, for the >> record, I also make my own kernel images and pcmcia modules, and it >> works every time, for the only Linux distribution I really care >> about. > Some of us have to use more than one distro, whether we really care > about them or not. This is a debian list, and my response was in reply to a comment about make-kpkg, which is a debian tool. manoj -- A person with one watch knows what time it is; a person with two watches is never sure. Proverb Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: ACPI Patches and make-kpkg
>>"Carl" == Carl Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Has anyone been successful in compiling a recent kernel with recent > ACPI patches using make-kpkg. Can the kernel be compiled using make bZImage? make-kpkg is merely a thin wrapper on the top that takes the compiled kernel and packages it -- it has no effect on whetrher the kernel compiles or not. > I am considering going to compiling the kernel from the kernel.org I always compile kernels from kernel.org using make-kpkg -- I don't see how the origin of the kernel sources is relevant to the use of kernel-package. > Should it be reported as a bug in make-kpkg that these patches won't > apply??? make-kpkg is really nice but it seems like the sources > should match the sources from kernel.org more closely so that patches > such as ACPI don't have a problem. Again, make-kpkg is ot responsible for whether ot not patches apply. And make-kpkg works fine with kernel.org sources (I am surprised that you think there is an issue there). manoj -- If it pours before seven, it has rained by eleven. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Mike" == Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No one says you *have* to use the distro-specific tools, you know. > And the only (original) comment about make-kpkg was mine, and that > was only that I hadn't used it to recompile my kernel to install > linux-wlan-ng, on my Debian laptops. If it works for you, great. I was merely weighing in against the implication that the debian tool was somehow broken. manoj -- If you had better tools, you could more effectively demonstrate your total incompetence. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ronin2" == ronin2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I use make-kpkg to build several versions of a kernel, and this for me is > much simpler: edit Makefile and define Extraversion as the date, so today > Extraversion=.0209. make-kpkg --append-to-version is the direct interface; you do not need to edit the extraversion var. manoj -- "We don't have to protect the environment -- the Second Coming is at hand." James Watt Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"mi" == mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since i started compiling different 'flavours' of the same > kernel-version, i also use symlinks. In my case: Generally, one uses the --append-to-version option for make-kpkg to differentiate the images. > in /boot: > 'kernel' pointing to a subdirectory '/boot/kernel-x' where x is a digit > 'vmlinuz' pointing to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > 'System.map' poinitng to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > ( well this might be not necessary but else there's an ugly log) > and in /lib/modules: > '2.4.18' pointing to '2.4.18-x' Oww. This looks complicaed, and I am not sure what it buys one, as opposed to appending to the version. > So, what i have to do for make-kpkg is: > pre install: > unlink '2.4.18' to protect the actual modules, and > post install: > move the new 2.4.18 to 2.4.18-(x+1) and create a new symlink > move config-2.4.18, the kernel an System.map into > a newly created subdir kernel-(x+1), and adjust the symlink 'kernel'. > Or better, with a little script that also checks anything is alright and > fiddles out what's to be done, change kernels with a single command 'kernel > -5'. > For the boot-menu, there are two more symlinks 'kernel-recovery' and > '2.4.18-recovery'. All this would be done for the latest 2 kernel images automatically (and grub would show you all the images), with no complicated machinations pre and post install. manoj -- The difference between us is not very far, cruising for burgers in daddy's new car. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"mi" == mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since i started compiling different 'flavours' of the same > kernel-version, i also use symlinks. In my case: Generally, one uses the --append-to-version option for make-kpkg to differentiate the images. > in /boot: > 'kernel' pointing to a subdirectory '/boot/kernel-x' where x is a digit > 'vmlinuz' pointing to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > 'System.map' poinitng to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > ( well this might be not necessary but else there's an ugly log) > and in /lib/modules: > '2.4.18' pointing to '2.4.18-x' Oww. This looks complicaed, and I am not sure what it buys one, as opposed to appending to the version. > So, what i have to do for make-kpkg is: > pre install: > unlink '2.4.18' to protect the actual modules, and > post install: > move the new 2.4.18 to 2.4.18-(x+1) and create a new symlink > move config-2.4.18, the kernel an System.map into > a newly created subdir kernel-(x+1), and adjust the symlink 'kernel'. > Or better, with a little script that also checks anything is alright and > fiddles out what's to be done, change kernels with a single command 'kernel > -5'. > For the boot-menu, there are two more symlinks 'kernel-recovery' and > '2.4.18-recovery'. All this would be done for the latest 2 kernel images automatically (and grub would show you all the images), with no complicated machinations pre and post install. manoj -- The difference between us is not very far, cruising for burgers in daddy's new car. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ntrfug" == ntrfug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The package kernel-patch-xfs is installed, and the patches are in > /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/xfs. Sounds good. > The kernel patch script package dh-kpatches is installed, and the sctipt > /usr/bin/dh_installkpatches exists. This script has nothing to do with installing kernel patches with make-kpkg. > I have modified /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to include "patch_the_kernel=yes" and > "config_target=menuconfig". Hmm. That looks OK too. > I've invoked make-kpkg with and without the argument "--added-patches > xfs", and the result is the same -- menuconfig is called without the > patches being applied. If I let make-kpkg complete it builds a kernel > without xfs support. > Do you have any ideas about what to check next? Well, we need to know if the script was called, and if so, what happened when it was applied. A few echo statements in the application script would help. And then run the whole thing under script, and mail me the typescript. manoj -- Monogamy is the Western custom of one wife and hardly any mistresses. H.H. Munro Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ntrfug" == ntrfug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> cd to the directory that you have the kernel sources in, and run >> /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/xfs. That will "manually" apply ^ >> the patch. See if it spits out any error messages. >> From /usr/src/linux if I do /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/xfs the message > is: > -bash: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/xfs is a directory manoj -- A selection from the Taoist Writings: "Lao-Tan asked Confucius: `What do you mean by benevolence and righteousness?' Confucius said: `To be in one's inmost heart in kindly sympathy with all things; to love all men and allow no selfish thoughts: this is the nature of benevolence and righteousness.'" Kwang-tzu Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ntrfug" == ntrfug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The reason the above works is that I've flouted Debian orthodoxy and > defined EXTRAVERSION myself. If I did things the Debian Way, I'd get > kernel packages with mile-long names and they wouldn't be sorted > automagically by update-grub. --append_to_version appends to EXTRAVERSION. Howevre, if you like manually editing makefiles, well, who am I to stand in the way ;-) Just wantred to point out that the Debian way does eaxctly what you do, but is mostly automated. manoj -- There is always one thing to remember: writers are always selling somebody out. Joan Didion, "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: Why Linux on a Laptop?
>>"Alec" == Alec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Alec> I'm wondering what everyone's motivation is for using Linux on a laptop Alec> instead of Cygwin + Windows. Why would one want a slow, bloated PDA that crashes often and does not come bundled in with a decent type setting system that understands kerning? manoj puzzled (BTW, I really use my inspiron as a development box when I am visiting the office) -- "Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts." Vice President Dan Quayle Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: Removed from list TimLeary
>>"Richard" == Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> Hi >> You have successfully unsubscribed from the list Richard> Anyone else receiving these or am I just imagining things ? Some one unsubscribed debian-laptop mailing list from some list called, strangely enough, TimLeary. Why we were subscribed to the list en massè, or why one would have a mailing list called TimLeary, is beyond me. manoj -- He whose inflowing thoughts are dried up, who is unattached to food, whose dwelling place is an empty and imageless release - the way of such a person is hard to follow, like the path of birds through the sky. 93 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: kernel
>>"Link" == Link M Dupont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Link> Personally, I can't stand the debian kernel images and the way it Link> configures lilo so i do all that by hand. kernel image packages don't really configure lilo. The optionally create /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old symlinks for you, but you can move the links to a different directory, or suppress them altogether. There is no prohibition from configuring lilo youself -- or from not using lilo at all. So, if you let me know what eexactly it is that bothers you about kernel images, perhaps we can improve the kernel images in debian together? manoj -- Look out! Behind you! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel
>>"Vivek" == Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Vivek> It takes longer for the kernels to filter through to Vivek> debian.org, and if you need/want a patch/fix right now, Vivek> kernel.org is where they show up? While we're on the subject, Vivek> is there a way to make make-kpkg issue a -j3 on those kernel Vivek> make targets that can accept it? CONCURRENCY_LEVEL If defined, this variable sets the concurrency level of make used to compile the kenel and the modules set using -j flags to the sub make in the build target of make-kpkg. Should be a (small) integer, if used. manoj -- When a man out of the forest of desire is drawn back into the forest, then free from the forest as he is, he runs back into it. Look at him - free, he is running back to chains. 344 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Programming Console-Draw-Programm
>>"Schoppitsch" == Schoppitsch Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Schoppitsch> I heard of the Emacs artist mode. picture-mode? Schoppitsch> But I was told that there is no object oriented Schoppitsch> cut/copy/paste functionallity (that means you can't Schoppitsch> grab a rectangle and move it). Are you sure? Emacs has commands to copy, cut, and paste rectangular regions, it is something I use often. manoj -- But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. Hilaire Belloc Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removed from list TimLeary
>>"Richard" == Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> Hi >> You have successfully unsubscribed from the list Richard> Anyone else receiving these or am I just imagining things ? Some one unsubscribed debian-laptop mailing list from some list called, strangely enough, TimLeary. Why we were subscribed to the list en massè, or why one would have a mailing list called TimLeary, is beyond me. manoj -- He whose inflowing thoughts are dried up, who is unattached to food, whose dwelling place is an empty and imageless release - the way of such a person is hard to follow, like the path of birds through the sky. 93 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel
>>"Vivek" == Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Vivek> It takes longer for the kernels to filter through to Vivek> debian.org, and if you need/want a patch/fix right now, Vivek> kernel.org is where they show up? While we're on the subject, Vivek> is there a way to make make-kpkg issue a -j3 on those kernel Vivek> make targets that can accept it? CONCURRENCY_LEVEL If defined, this variable sets the concurrency level of make used to compile the kenel and the modules set using -j flags to the sub make in the build target of make-kpkg. Should be a (small) integer, if used. manoj -- When a man out of the forest of desire is drawn back into the forest, then free from the forest as he is, he runs back into it. Look at him - free, he is running back to chains. 344 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel
>>"Link" == Link M Dupont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Link> Personally, I can't stand the debian kernel images and the way it Link> configures lilo so i do all that by hand. kernel image packages don't really configure lilo. The optionally create /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old symlinks for you, but you can move the links to a different directory, or suppress them altogether. There is no prohibition from configuring lilo youself -- or from not using lilo at all. So, if you let me know what eexactly it is that bothers you about kernel images, perhaps we can improve the kernel images in debian together? manoj -- Look out! Behind you! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Programming Console-Draw-Programm
>>"Schoppitsch" == Schoppitsch Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Schoppitsch> I heard of the Emacs artist mode. picture-mode? Schoppitsch> But I was told that there is no object oriented Schoppitsch> cut/copy/paste functionallity (that means you can't Schoppitsch> grab a rectangle and move it). Are you sure? Emacs has commands to copy, cut, and paste rectangular regions, it is something I use often. manoj -- But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. Hilaire Belloc Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Mike" == Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, it didn't work when I did it the make-kpkg way (I believe I was > following the direction on the WIRELESS-LAN-HOWTO). Doing it the standard > Linux way (aka "the hard way") works every time, and on every Linux distro. I don't know what the WIRELESS-LAN-HOWTO says, but, for the record, I also make my own kernel images and pcmcia modules, and it works every time, for the only Linux distribution I really care about. manoj -- Fanatics have their dreams, wherewith they weave a paradise for a sect." Keats Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Mike" == Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) had this to say on 02/08/03 at 03:09: >> >> I don't know what the WIRELESS-LAN-HOWTO says, but, for the >> record, I also make my own kernel images and pcmcia modules, and it >> works every time, for the only Linux distribution I really care >> about. > Some of us have to use more than one distro, whether we really care > about them or not. This is a debian list, and my response was in reply to a comment about make-kpkg, which is a debian tool. manoj -- A person with one watch knows what time it is; a person with two watches is never sure. Proverb Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Ivar" == Ivar Alm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For the record, I made my kernels the "Linux way" before, but as I got > acquainted with make-kpkg, I stick to it. The only modification I need > is that after the installation of created kernel package, I need to > modify some link names in the root dir. Since I have more than one > kernel installed, I cannot have them all named 'vmlinuz'... :) I have 7 kernel images installed at this time. I have 5 symlinks in /; namely vmlinuz, vmlinuz.old, vmlinuz.stable, vmlinuz.unstable, vmlinuz.last-resort. Two of these links are handled automatically; and I seldom changed the other 3, even when I used lilo. I do not need these five links, though, since I now use grub. Could you explain to me why you need more than two automanaged links? What kind of changes you do need to make? It would help to perhaps improve kernel-package if I could understand the motivation and assess the need for a change in behaviour. manoj -- You're definitely on their list. The question to ask next is what list it is. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACPI Patches and make-kpkg
>>"Carl" == Carl Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Has anyone been successful in compiling a recent kernel with recent > ACPI patches using make-kpkg. Can the kernel be compiled using make bZImage? make-kpkg is merely a thin wrapper on the top that takes the compiled kernel and packages it -- it has no effect on whetrher the kernel compiles or not. > I am considering going to compiling the kernel from the kernel.org I always compile kernels from kernel.org using make-kpkg -- I don't see how the origin of the kernel sources is relevant to the use of kernel-package. > Should it be reported as a bug in make-kpkg that these patches won't > apply??? make-kpkg is really nice but it seems like the sources > should match the sources from kernel.org more closely so that patches > such as ACPI don't have a problem. Again, make-kpkg is ot responsible for whether ot not patches apply. And make-kpkg works fine with kernel.org sources (I am surprised that you think there is an issue there). manoj -- If it pours before seven, it has rained by eleven. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"Mike" == Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No one says you *have* to use the distro-specific tools, you know. > And the only (original) comment about make-kpkg was mine, and that > was only that I hadn't used it to recompile my kernel to install > linux-wlan-ng, on my Debian laptops. If it works for you, great. I was merely weighing in against the implication that the debian tool was somehow broken. manoj -- If you had better tools, you could more effectively demonstrate your total incompetence. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ronin2" == ronin2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I use make-kpkg to build several versions of a kernel, and this for me is > much simpler: edit Makefile and define Extraversion as the date, so today > Extraversion=.0209. make-kpkg --append-to-version is the direct interface; you do not need to edit the extraversion var. manoj -- "We don't have to protect the environment -- the Second Coming is at hand." James Watt Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"mi" == mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since i started compiling different 'flavours' of the same > kernel-version, i also use symlinks. In my case: Generally, one uses the --append-to-version option for make-kpkg to differentiate the images. > in /boot: > 'kernel' pointing to a subdirectory '/boot/kernel-x' where x is a digit > 'vmlinuz' pointing to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > 'System.map' poinitng to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > ( well this might be not necessary but else there's an ugly log) > and in /lib/modules: > '2.4.18' pointing to '2.4.18-x' Oww. This looks complicaed, and I am not sure what it buys one, as opposed to appending to the version. > So, what i have to do for make-kpkg is: > pre install: > unlink '2.4.18' to protect the actual modules, and > post install: > move the new 2.4.18 to 2.4.18-(x+1) and create a new symlink > move config-2.4.18, the kernel an System.map into > a newly created subdir kernel-(x+1), and adjust the symlink 'kernel'. > Or better, with a little script that also checks anything is alright and > fiddles out what's to be done, change kernels with a single command 'kernel > -5'. > For the boot-menu, there are two more symlinks 'kernel-recovery' and > '2.4.18-recovery'. All this would be done for the latest 2 kernel images automatically (and grub would show you all the images), with no complicated machinations pre and post install. manoj -- The difference between us is not very far, cruising for burgers in daddy's new car. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"mi" == mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since i started compiling different 'flavours' of the same > kernel-version, i also use symlinks. In my case: Generally, one uses the --append-to-version option for make-kpkg to differentiate the images. > in /boot: > 'kernel' pointing to a subdirectory '/boot/kernel-x' where x is a digit > 'vmlinuz' pointing to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > 'System.map' poinitng to /boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > ( well this might be not necessary but else there's an ugly log) > and in /lib/modules: > '2.4.18' pointing to '2.4.18-x' Oww. This looks complicaed, and I am not sure what it buys one, as opposed to appending to the version. > So, what i have to do for make-kpkg is: > pre install: > unlink '2.4.18' to protect the actual modules, and > post install: > move the new 2.4.18 to 2.4.18-(x+1) and create a new symlink > move config-2.4.18, the kernel an System.map into > a newly created subdir kernel-(x+1), and adjust the symlink 'kernel'. > Or better, with a little script that also checks anything is alright and > fiddles out what's to be done, change kernels with a single command 'kernel > -5'. > For the boot-menu, there are two more symlinks 'kernel-recovery' and > '2.4.18-recovery'. All this would be done for the latest 2 kernel images automatically (and grub would show you all the images), with no complicated machinations pre and post install. manoj -- The difference between us is not very far, cruising for burgers in daddy's new car. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ntrfug" == ntrfug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The package kernel-patch-xfs is installed, and the patches are in > /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/xfs. Sounds good. > The kernel patch script package dh-kpatches is installed, and the sctipt > /usr/bin/dh_installkpatches exists. This script has nothing to do with installing kernel patches with make-kpkg. > I have modified /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to include "patch_the_kernel=yes" and > "config_target=menuconfig". Hmm. That looks OK too. > I've invoked make-kpkg with and without the argument "--added-patches > xfs", and the result is the same -- menuconfig is called without the > patches being applied. If I let make-kpkg complete it builds a kernel > without xfs support. > Do you have any ideas about what to check next? Well, we need to know if the script was called, and if so, what happened when it was applied. A few echo statements in the application script would help. And then run the whole thing under script, and mail me the typescript. manoj -- Monogamy is the Western custom of one wife and hardly any mistresses. H.H. Munro Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ntrfug" == ntrfug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> cd to the directory that you have the kernel sources in, and run >> /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/xfs. That will "manually" apply ^ >> the patch. See if it spits out any error messages. >> From /usr/src/linux if I do /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/xfs the message > is: > -bash: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/xfs is a directory manoj -- A selection from the Taoist Writings: "Lao-Tan asked Confucius: `What do you mean by benevolence and righteousness?' Confucius said: `To be in one's inmost heart in kindly sympathy with all things; to love all men and allow no selfish thoughts: this is the nature of benevolence and righteousness.'" Kwang-tzu Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg, was: Getting PCMCIA to work?
>>"ntrfug" == ntrfug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The reason the above works is that I've flouted Debian orthodoxy and > defined EXTRAVERSION myself. If I did things the Debian Way, I'd get > kernel packages with mile-long names and they wouldn't be sorted > automagically by update-grub. --append_to_version appends to EXTRAVERSION. Howevre, if you like manually editing makefiles, well, who am I to stand in the way ;-) Just wantred to point out that the Debian way does eaxctly what you do, but is mostly automated. manoj -- There is always one thing to remember: writers are always selling somebody out. Joan Didion, "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Users...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:39:27 +1100, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's >> > fast, small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And >> > several of the newer WMs still don't match its features... >> >> Bulletproof my oath. One thing you *never* *ever* want to segfault >> is your window manager. Because if you have been logged in for 60 >> days, there is a lot of state stored on your desktop[1] that you >> don't want lost when the > I learnt an interesting trick from a friend at university (Swinburne > in fact). He had his .xinitrc configured such that the window > manager would run as a child process, and the process that the X > server recognised as the window manager was "sleep 10". here is a better one: I have a Login window instead; my session exits when I exit the login window (I generally neve use it). -- # Start some shelltools and the window manager if test -x /usr/bin/fvwm2; then #fvwm2 -f "FvwmM4 -m4prog /usr/bin/m4 .fvwm2rc" & /usr/bin/fvwm2 & elif [ -x /usr/bin/fvwm ];then /usr/bin/fvwm& elif [ -x /usr/bin/X11/twm ]; then /usr/bin/X11/twm & fi exec uxterm -ut -T login -n login -bg Black -fg LightSteelBlue \ -geometry 80x24+10+93 -ls -xrm "*Desk:1" -- manoj -- I think the best way I've heard this put is "Pascal gives you a water pistol filled with distilled water. C not only gives you a loaded .357, it points it at your head as a default. Why do you think Pascal is taught in school? And which would you rather have when there was a hungry bear in the area?" Jim Harkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Users...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:39:27 +1100, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's >> > fast, small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And >> > several of the newer WMs still don't match its features... >> >> Bulletproof my oath. One thing you *never* *ever* want to segfault >> is your window manager. Because if you have been logged in for 60 >> days, there is a lot of state stored on your desktop[1] that you >> don't want lost when the > I learnt an interesting trick from a friend at university (Swinburne > in fact). He had his .xinitrc configured such that the window > manager would run as a child process, and the process that the X > server recognised as the window manager was "sleep 10". here is a better one: I have a Login window instead; my session exits when I exit the login window (I generally neve use it). -- # Start some shelltools and the window manager if test -x /usr/bin/fvwm2; then #fvwm2 -f "FvwmM4 -m4prog /usr/bin/m4 .fvwm2rc" & /usr/bin/fvwm2 & elif [ -x /usr/bin/fvwm ];then /usr/bin/fvwm& elif [ -x /usr/bin/X11/twm ]; then /usr/bin/X11/twm & fi exec uxterm -ut -T login -n login -bg Black -fg LightSteelBlue \ -geometry 80x24+10+93 -ls -xrm "*Desk:1" -- manoj -- I think the best way I've heard this put is "Pascal gives you a water pistol filled with distilled water. C not only gives you a loaded .357, it points it at your head as a default. Why do you think Pascal is taught in school? And which would you rather have when there was a hungry bear in the area?" Jim Harkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
