RE: apt-get behind a firewall

[Glen S Mehn]

Or you could try using deb http in your /etc/apt/sources.list.

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From: Andy Wergedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:02 AM
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Subject: apt-get behind a firewall


I am running a laptop on a network behind my employers firewall.

>From my windows box I can create a socks hole through the firewall.
I cannot use apt-get  from my debian laptop. How can I create a sockified
ftp connection so apt will work?

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Re: 2 questions

[Glen S Mehn]

William:

Had that same machine/adapter/docking station back at my last company.
What I ended up doing (which worked on that one) was applying the Intell
100B driver for the docking station ehternet port. Never had a problem.
Except when I needed network while moving, so I got a pcmcia card to
drop in the slot. I doesn't run under pcmcia card services, just regular
PCI drivers.

And it worked great. I never used those pcmcia slots under linux though. 

glen


William Heindl wrote:
> 
> I've got one old and one new question.  First the new one:
> 
> 1. I'm trying to set up an Epson Color Stylus 740 printer.  I followed
> the HOWTO and got the apsfilter package.  My problem is that this
> package doesn't seem to have a filter for the Epson 740.  I tried the
> only Epson filter that looked promising and it didn't work.  Can
> anyone suggest a filter package that will support this printer.  I
> know I have the hardware working because I can cat ascii to /dev/lp0
> and it prints.
> 
> 2. I asked this before and got no response. I'm hoping it got lost in
> the bit bucket.  I am having trouble with the network going out on my
> IBM 560Z (300 MHz PII).  I am running Debian kernel 2.0.36-3, my
> eternet card is a 3Com 3C574-TX.  I use the computer mainly in a
> docking port which provides 2 extra PCMCIA slots.  The problem occurs
> whether the network card is physically in the laptop or in the docking
> station.
> 
> The symptom was originally that I would boot up in the morning and
> everything would work fine for about 2 hours.  Then the network would
> go away.  This is not a thermal problem, as it never happens under NT
> on this dual-boot machine.  Unplugging and reinserting the card seemed
> to have mixed results.  Often, it seems like the card manager is out
> to lunch, as I get no beeps upon unplugging and replugging.  Sometimes
> after a few minutes the network comes back, but it is very flaky
> thereafter.
> 
> I thought I solved the problem the other day by adding the line:
> 
> PCIC_OPTS="extra_sockets=1"
> 
> to my pcmcia.conf file.  This has improved things, apparently.  I went
> for a day and a half after making this change before it failed again.
> 
> Any ideas?  Should I update my kernel to potato?  Hope I'm not doing
> anything dumb, as I'm new to Linux (but not unix).
> 
> Another possibility would be to figure out how to use the network
> adapter that is built into my docking port.  Is there documentation
> somewhere for such things?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Biff
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Re: Switching pcmcia ethernet cards

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Check your /etc/init.d/pcmcia info. There's an entry in there for which
card to use for, say, eth0, eth1, etc. I know that some of the 3com
cards need more than pc_net drivers, and that could be a problem there.

Regards,

Glen


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> I had been running a 3com ethernet card on a slink w/ some potato install on a
> Dell Xpi P133 ST.  I had borrowed the card from a friend, so I bought a card
> for myself, a Linksys EC2T.  The card seems to be recognized just fine by,
> ifconfig shows it has an ip and the other needed configuration.  However, when
> I try to ping my router I get this error message "Sendto: operation not
> allowed."  Is there something else I need to do?
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kernel recompile, lost PCMCIA network

[Glen S Mehn]

Hey there:

I recompiled my kernel as part of a slink-potato upgrade on my ThinkPad 760
EL, and added the PCMCIA modules.

Cardmgr starts, I get a link light, a SLOW high + low tone, and the network
adapter doesn't work (neither the 3com 3c589 nor the netgear fa410x) work.

If I try manual insmod pcnet_cs, I get several unresolved symbol error
messages (ei_open, ethdev_init, unregister_netdev_R8340a20c, ei_interrupt,
NS8390_init, and register_netdev_R4e5b4d94)

I did compile with CONFIG_INET. (what's suggested in the pcmcia-cs docs).

Kernel version is 2.2.13

Ideas, anyone? I'm a bit stumped on this one.

Regards,

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RE: kernel recompile, lost PCMCIA network

[Glen S Mehn]

I did use the correct PCMCIA modules (2.2.13 kernel), apt-getted from Debian
Herself.

Thanks, though.

me


-Original Message-
From: Drew Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:10 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: kernel recompile, lost PCMCIA network


On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 07:59:03PM -0800, Glen S Mehn wrote:
> Hey there:
>
> I recompiled my kernel as part of a slink-potato upgrade on my ThinkPad
760
> EL, and added the PCMCIA modules.
>

You recompiled the kernel, but did you recompile the PCMCIA modules as well?
They're tuned to a specific kernel and won't work with just any kernel.

Drew

RE: mouse doesn't work

[Glen S Mehn]

Try using XF86Setup. It lets you try your different mouse settings.

I usually find that for laptops (4 out of 4 successful Debian/X installs on
laptops) that the mouse ends up being /dev/psaux (where it gets overridden
by ps/2 mice)

Hope this helps.

glen


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Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 1994 5:34 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: mouse doesn't work


hi dear debian's,

i just installed debian for the first time, and wow, this dselect was
heavy work;-)
now finally everything is done, even x is working well, exceptly the
mouse doesn't move.
i thought it should be a ps/2 one, but didnt work, so i tried out a few
more from the xf86config, till i get to the more exotic ones and left
it. so i changed the default /dev/modem to /dev/tt* but the same
thing...:(

i was wondering if someone experienced the same thing on a
compaq-machine?
i use a compaq armada 1575D
even compaq.com didn't show any useful info

thanx in advance and hope someone has any idea

mek


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RE: Can't talk to network

[Glen S Mehn]

Can you ping yourself on the address you have in /etc/network.opts?

Can you ping your gateway? (I assume that you can't, but...)

Do you have the high/low tone with card insertion? Did you configure pcmcia
support in your kernel during install?

What's the output from /etc/pcmcia/network start (or stop,then start)

Do you have link light on your card?

I've been around and around on this one myself... And that's the places I'd
look first...

Regards,

Glen


-Original Message-
From: Rod Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 5:40 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Can't talk to network


Forgive me; I'm a newbie at this.  With luck, I've found the
right list for this question.

I've just installed Debian potato from floppies successfully,
except...  I can't talk to the network to download any packages.
Here's my configuration:

Dell Latitude CPi D300XT
128 MB memory
10 GB hard drive
3Com fast Ethernet card 3CCFE575BT (on the list of working hardware)

I can ping 127.0.0.1, but pings to anything outside the laptop
itself are unsuccessful.  I've checked to see that
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts
has the right information in it; it does.  I'm stumped.  Where do
I go from here?

Thanks,

-Rod Price



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RE: Problems with pcmcia on potato (on Dell Latitude)

[Glen S Mehn]

Drew:

I know I've seen you on here before, so I'll assume you have some good idea
what you're doing.

You should be able to get the card workign during the drivers config/just
after the drivers install. The important thing at this point is to make sure
you've applied the PCMCIA support (which come in as a separate set of
drivers from the other drivers) BEFORE you apply any other drivers.

I've installed Debian-potato on ~6 laptops, all with different cards (no
Xircom cards, though) and been able to do a net install.

Though you might check to see if there's an i/o conflict or something
between the modem and the ethernet driver (I've had problems with this in
'doze).

The /target/lib/modules/2.2.13 looks like it (may) be part of the pcmcia bug
in potato that I've noticed. I've seen that potato installs pcmcia support
and then fails to remove it even when you've asked it to.

Did you install from a cd image? How did you install the base system?

I'd try reinstalling, do it carefully, and make sure you download the
pcmcia-modules-source and the kernel-source (the same version) just in case
you need to recompile.

The other thing that it *could* be is that the card is crapped. If neither
RH nor Debian can find it, maybe the card (or the pcmcia slot(s)) themselves
are physical-layer busted. Do you get a link light?

Hope this helps, in any case.

Regards,

Glen


-Original Message-
From: Eric House [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:08 PM
To: Drew Parsons
Cc: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org; recipient list not shown: ;
Subject: Re: Problems with pcmcia on potato (on Dell Latitude)


First, a bit more information.  The error message I'm getting from the
installer is that it can't find /lib/modules/2.2.13.  And sure enough,
if I fire up a second VC and look there's no directory by that name.
There *is* a /target/lib/modules/2.2.13, and I managed to make a bit
more progress by creating a symlink for the missing directory.  But
the fact that the installer is looking for files that don't exist
suggests that something pretty basic is wrong.

> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 04:21:03PM -0800, Eric House wrote:
> > Two questions:
> >
> > 1) What went wrong with configuring pcmcia support in the install?
> >
> > 2) What do I do to get the socket driver installed?  I don't remember
> > any install options having to do with sockets.
> >
>
> The problem, as far as I can see, is that your pcmcia modules are
mismatched
> to your kernel.  Have you compiled your own kernel?  In that case it is
> mandatory that you also compile your own pcmcia-modules package.

I downloaded everything from the frozen directory on debian.org (or some
mirror.)  I can't compile my own kernel or anything else until I get gcc
installed, and I can't do that without an ethernet link.

> An easier way might be to just download the standard debian kernel-image
and
> pcmcia-modules (and pcmcia-cs), for both slink and potato to be on the
safe
> side, install them by hand (the slink version, presumeably), and then
> `apt-get dist-upgrade` from slink should do the rest to land you in
potato.

My stupid pcmcia card isn't supported under slink.  I've tried that route.

(Tried buying a new card this evening but the local places are all out.)

> By the way, I have a Xircom RealPort 16bit modem/ethernet card, and it was
> working fine under slink.  Have you a cardbus card?  It would imagine it
> should still work under slink, just sounds like your pcmcia modules are
> mixed up.

I spent a day trying to upgrade from slink, but without a working card
it wasn't possible.  Not sure what my Xircom card is -- not Realport,
anyway -- but it's listed as requiring newer pcmcia-cs than works with
slink.  Backporting it is beyond my Linux skills, and trying to move
just those packages required from potato onto my slink system quickly got
out of hand.

(I tried installing RedHat 6.1 this evening thinking it'd be easier, but
it happily installed 30,000 cute images without ever asking my IP address,
and if there's a way to configure the network after the fact I couldn't
find it for all the menu items for changing themes.  Yuck!)

I'm in my first week at a new job, and will probably be allowed one
more day of trying to get Linux up before they'll tell me to just make
do with 'Dows.  If anyone has any clue what I'm doing wrong here, please
speak up.  I'm assuming all the posts claiming success with potato on
laptops are for real

Thanks!

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RE: Problems with pcmcia on potato (on Dell Latitude)

[Glen S Mehn]

Phew. Sounds crazy.

Try rsync to move the .o modules, using rsync -avz, which will preserve
permissions and all that.

I assume you have checked to make sure that the xircom card is supported, by
model #, on linuxdoc.org? You don't have the model# here, or I'd go check it
for you.

I wonder if it's the card, but it looks as though it's something else. Did
you look in /target/var/log for error msgs? They are, I'm pretty sure,
written in there. If not there, they'd be in /var/log on the ramdisk (get to
with ALT-F2) during the net install. That's where I'd look.

Hope some of this helps. Can you trade cards ;>

I'd suggest doing the fresh install with potato, anyway: the perl and kernel
upgrade makes it kind of annoying if you're doing slink dist-upgrade (IMHO)

Regards,

Glen

-Original Message-
From: Eric House [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 11:30 AM
To: Glen S Mehn
Cc: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org; recipient list not shown: ;
Subject: RE: Problems with pcmcia on potato (on Dell Latitude)


> I know I've seen you on here before, so I'll assume you have some good
idea
> what you're doing.

Actually, it's my problem.  I hope the assumption still holds. :-)

> You should be able to get the card workign during the drivers config/just
> after the drivers install. The important thing at this point is to make
sure
> you've applied the PCMCIA support (which come in as a separate set of
> drivers from the other drivers) BEFORE you apply any other drivers.

Done.

> I've installed Debian-potato on ~6 laptops, all with different cards (no
> Xircom cards, though) and been able to do a net install.

I've done a net install with the same laptop and a different card.  And this
xircom card works fine under 'Dows.  I don't think it's a hardware problem.

> Though you might check to see if there's an i/o conflict or something
> between the modem and the ethernet driver (I've had problems with this in
> 'doze).

I'll pull the modem out and try again.  Just in case.  But the error's
coming up before there's any attempt to use the cards: the installer
can't find the drivers (the .o module files) because they're not where
they belong.

Question: is there any way to get a look at the error text that's written
to the console used by the installer (Alt-F1).  It's only visible for a
second, and I bet there's a bunch more text that might help diagnose this.
I've checked the other consoles: not there.

> The /target/lib/modules/2.2.13 looks like it (may) be part of the pcmcia
bug
> in potato that I've noticed. I've seen that potato installs pcmcia support
> and then fails to remove it even when you've asked it to.

It's failing to copy the files to /lib/modules.  I don't get to the point
where it asks me if I want to remove it.

> Did you install from a cd image? How did you install the base system?

I copied the rescue, root, and driver1-3 .bin files to the laptop
running 'Dows and made floppies using rawrite2.  I copied base2_2.tgz
to the laptop's 'Dows partition.  I then booted off of the rescue disk
and followed instructions.  The error happens before the base2_2.tgz
becomes an issue.

Exactly the same technique worked for installing slink with a borrowed
3com card.  But I wonder if it'd work for potato even with that card,
since we're not getting to the point where pcmcia-cs is even running.
It's the install that's failing.

> i'd try reinstalling, do it carefully, and make sure you download the
> pcmcia-modules-source and the kernel-source (the same version) just in
case
> you need to recompile.

I'm going to try after removing the modem card, and I'm going to
manually copy all the module binaries from /target/lib/modules/2.2.13
to /lib/modules/2.2.13 if the installer doesn't do it.

> The other thing that it *could* be is that the card is crapped. If neither
> RH nor Debian can find it, maybe the card (or the pcmcia slot(s))
themselves
> are physical-layer busted. Do you get a link light?

Works fine running 'Dows.

Thanks,

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RE: pcmcia network cards

[Glen S Mehn]

I used to be a big 3com fan, but I really now like the Intel Pro100B cards
(for PCI) and the Netgear FA310 ethernet cards-- brand new ~ --$70, I
havent' had a single problem, and the dongle looks pretty darn strong.
Haven't managed to break it, anyway.

glen


-Original Message-
From: alexander.clouter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 7:29 AM
To: Othmar Pasteka
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Subject: Re: pcmcia network cards


On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Othmar Pasteka wrote:
> maybe that's already a faq, if so please point me to a faq :).
> but what's actually the experiences which network cards work
> smoothly and without problems with notebooks?
> what cheap cards are out there which can be recommended? it
> doesn't necessarily be a 10/100 mbit card, 10 is perfectly fine
> ...
> i am thankful for any comments.
>
Although I would of prefered the 3COM 10/100 cardbus BNC/RJ45 network card
I received the cheap and cheerful Xircom 10/100 card which works
flawlessly.  I have had not one problem with my card and it seems to
perform well (considering I paid 30 pounds for it).  I use it everyday at
either 100 or 10 speed and can't say anything bad about the card, for its
price.

I would still would take the 3COM card though :)

Alex

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RE: Cardmanager

[Glen S Mehn]

(you know you sent this to me, and not the whole list?)

The support is on the drivers.tgz file. I've always loaded it as an
'alternate' to configureing device driver support, BEFORE addming any of the
other device driver support. But I don't know if that's your problem.

It'd probably help if we had the name/type of your machine, and what install
you're doing (woody, potato, slink?)

Regards,

Glen


-Original Message-
From: Frans Haarman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cardmanager


Ok I'll probably get flamed for ask this but I read the install man. and
couldn't find it ...

When I want to install pcmcia support for an ethernet install it say
something like :

couldn't find :

/sbin/cardmnger

Is this file located on the standard boot/rescue disk ? Or do I have to use
another driver disk. And how would I load xtra drivers..

Regards

Frans H.

RE: package compilation madness

[Glen S Mehn]

I'd say it probably belongs on debian-devel, since I've had the same
problems. I don't neccessarily want to re-get the source and kpkg my
pcmcia-cs every time I have to update... Or even re- dpkg--install my kustom
package.

glen


-Original Message-
From: Drew Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:54 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: package compilation madness


On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 11:04:27AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote:
> Apt will assume you want the most up-to-date package, and, since the
> package on the ftp server is newer than the one you built, it gets
> preferred.  The easy solution is to put the package on hold -- but
> this has the disadvantage that you *don't* get newer versions at all.

That doesn't make sense though.  The versions are the *same*.  The one on
the ftp server is *not* newer!


>
> Actually, it's not really about "newer", it's about having a
> version number that sorts later, so, one possibility is to use a
> special version number that will always sort later.  This is the trick
> suggested for custom kernels.  Thus, you could make bzip 0.9.5d-my2 or
> even my-0.9.5d-2.  The former would stick until a new upstream
> release, the former would stick basically forever (unless the debian
> maintainer increases the "epoch", which we won't get into now).
>

Making a custom build would be a moderately reasonable solution, but how can
it actually be done for an ordinary package?  No joke, looking at the source
tree in bzip2-0.9.5d/, created by apt-get source, I can't even find where
0.9.5d-2 is defined, except for a line in ./debian/changelog.


> What I'd really like to see is a way to flag a package as "maintained
> locally".

That would be an excellent idea, especially for pcmcia-cs.


> For now, putting the package on hold is probably your best bet.

hmm, perhaps.  But it just doesn't make sense that the version on the ftp
server is considered "newer" then the one I (more recently) compiled.

> (This thread really belongs on debian-user, so I've set the reply-to
> field.)

technically you're very right, but debian-user uses *way* too much
bandwidth.


thanks for the ideas.

Drew

RE: XF86Config for TP 760EL?

[Glen S Mehn]

I had one, but it finally died. I'm not really sure what I did, but
removing, dpkg --purging, and reinstalling X didn't help. If anyone has a
hand with this, I'd appreciate a cc:

I know it can be done!

Regards,

Glen


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From: Nate Bargmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:03 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: XF86Config for TP 760EL?


Hello.

Does anyone have a working XF86Config for the Thinkpad 760EL laptop?
This unit uses the Trident Cyber 9320 chipset with 1 MB of VRAM.  I
found two files, but they are quite dated.  I am using Debian 2.1r4
and XFree 3.3.2.  I'm doing this for a friend as he wants to try Linux.

Thanks all!

- Nate >>

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RE: help

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look @ the footer of this message. Just change unsubscvribe to subscribe.

Regards,

Glen


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Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 11:39 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: help


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RE: Problems Installing Debian on my IBM TP 380E

[Glen S Mehn]

RTFM.
 

 
Glen
 

  -Original Message-From: zyrex 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:09 
  PMTo: debian-laptop@lists.debian.orgSubject: Problems 
  Installing Debian on my IBM TP 380E
  Allways then I try do load the installation with 
  the rescue disk my notebook reboots (also when I add the 
  parameters
  floppy=thinkpad). do you know whats wrong ? 
  (debian 2.1)

RE: apt-get behind a firewall

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From: Andy Wergedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:02 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: apt-get behind a firewall


I am running a laptop on a network behind my employers firewall.

>From my windows box I can create a socks hole through the firewall.
I cannot use apt-get  from my debian laptop. How can I create a sockified
ftp connection so apt will work?

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RE: Best "new" laptop

[Glen S Mehn]

thinkpad T21. (or T20)

they're powerhouses, light (4.6 lb), have cd/dvd support, are super
reliable, ibm supports linux on them (well, not winmodems and maybe not the
internal NIC) and I've had a bunch of thinkpads w/ linux and they've been
great. I've even got a 760-EL (p133) that I still use from time to time.

it's just great.

glen

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 06:45 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Best "new" laptop


I currently have a Toshiba 720CDT, and overall have been happy with it.  I
_may_ have an opportunity to get a new laptop (with someone else's money
:-).
I want to get feedback regarding "current" laptops on the market and how
well
they work with Linux.  My goal here is to get the fastest, lightest, Linux
compatible laptop out there.  Something with a "thin" form-factor and with
long
battery life, but with the horsepower to be a desktop replacement when
placed
in a docking station.  (I don't want much, do I?)  Since I'm in the
"dreaming"
stage right now, my question is this...

If you had an unlimited budget on which to spend on your "dream" Linux
laptop,
what would you buy and why?

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RE: T20's internal modem

[Glen S Mehn]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that ibm ships the t20 with caldera and
claims the modem works...

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From: Alan Shutko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 05:26 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: T20's internal modem


Frank Rudolf Georg Petzold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 01:13:52PM +0100, Achim Derigs wrote:
> > my T20 has an internal modem, but it doesn't work under sid (kernel
2.4.0).
>
> It might be the same one as in my A20p which works fine with the ltmodem
> driver (see http://www.linmodems.org)

No, that's the 3com combo card.  There's no linux driver for the modem
yet, though there are rumors someone under NDA is working on one.

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RE: Extra `mouse' button on a Thinkpad T21

[Glen S Mehn]

X 4.0 or X 3.3.6?

it's all pretty well doc'd: I've got it running on a 600e, which uses the
same hardware and all. hmmm... check on the linux OS links under the
Thinkpad 600E: there's some explicit instructions. I think I just used a
generic /dev/psaux mouse and then set the mouse to 3 buttons, and, magic, it
worked.

both in X4.0 and X.3.3.6.

this may not work for you, but hope it helps. Mail me privately and I can
get you my exact X4.0 config file if you want...

glen

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Stephen Peters
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:15 PM
To: Debian-laptop
Subject: Extra `mouse' button on a Thinkpad T21


I've been working with getting Debian running in all its glory on an
IBM Thinkpad T21, and am pretty pleased -- except for one tiny issue.

The T21 has a large button with a blue marking underneath the left-
and right-`mouse' buttons.  Under Windows, this is used as a scroll
button.

I'd like to set this up as a middle mouse button, but I'm not sure
how.  I can't just remap it with xmodmap, since it's currently not
even being read by X (tested using xev).  In addition, none of the
mouse configurations in gpm seem to activate it.

Anyone have any ideas?

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RE: Query on CF cards..

[Glen S Mehn]

if you get a pcmcia adaptor for CF cards, you can insert it (if you have the
PCMCIA kernel modules installed!) and then mount it as a hard disk. on most
systems, it will be mountable as a vfat volume (you need this in your kernel
too!) on the first available IDE controller: most systems will see it as
/dev/hde1 (hda=bus0-master, hdb=bus0-slave, hdc=bus1-master,
hdd=bus1-slave).

I think that it should work the same way if you get a pcmcia pci adapter for
your desktop.

I've heard lots of tales about fiddling around: probably best to go to
linuxdoc.org and search for the particular model of digital camera.

but the best thing that I've found is to spring for the $15 and go the
pcmcia route. it's super simple and works great.

the command would be (as root or with sudo)

mount -t vfat /dev/hde1 /

glen

-Original Message-
From: anup neelanath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:17 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Query on CF cards..


Hi,
Let me intoduce myself first. I am Anup from India. I am looking in the 
net
for buying a digital camera - one with compact flash card. I got ur mail
address from one of the replies u had given for a query on compact flash
card. I hope u will be able to answer my query..

I have a desktop PC - windows, and no USB port. The cameras now adays 
come
with USB cables. I saw that the CF card is IDE compatible. Does it mean that
I can directly connect the CF card to the IDE interface (as if connecting a
HD), or do I need to have some interface to connect it to the IDE cable.

I understand that if I buy a PCMCIA adaptor for CF card I can use it in 
the
PCMCIA slot of a laptop and in that case also will I see the CF card as a
Hard disk?

I will be really grateful if u can answer my queries...

Thanx a lot in advance//
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Re: Compact Flash card problem

[Glen S Mehn]

that is really odd. It would look like your CF card is getting read as hdc, 
which would be IDE bus 1, device 0, which is (typically) where your CD/DVD 
drive is. I'm not sure why this would happen. Mine shows up as hde1

Havve you got a CD/dvd drive in there? Can you access both? 

glen


On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:38:34PM +0800, Alex Kwan wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am using a 64MB CF card  with a PCMCIA adapter
> in my notebook, the read and write is o.k., but when
> insert this card will have following error message:
> hdc: SanDisk SDCFB-64, ATA DISK DRIVE
> ide1 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 9
> hdc: drive_cmd:status=0x51 {DriveReady Seek Complete Error}
> hdc: drive_cmd:error=0x04
> 
> What is the reason and how to fix it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Alex
> 
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RE: Compact Flash card problem

[Glen S Mehn]

RE: the problem below:

you can also stop pcmcia services, remove the card, and then restart. Never
seen a syslog or kern.log message yet.

glen

A side note:  I've had some trouble after unmounting and ejecting my CF
card, in that Linux complains about a lost interrupt.  This tends to cause
filesystem corruption as well, so I recommend the workaround of only
removing the card when the laptop is powered off.

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RE: What's your favorite inexpensive Linux laptop?

[Glen S Mehn]

thinkpad 600/600e. IBM even has docs on how to get them working with
(redhat) linux, though you can sort out how to get all the bits, except the
winmodem, with debain from those directions.

regards,

glen


-Original Message-
From: Chris Ivanovich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:26 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What's your favorite inexpensive Linux laptop?


>  > "Chris" == Chris Ivanovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>Chris> Greetings fellow Debianers...  I was hoping I could get some
>Chris> personal opinions here.  I currently have Debian running on a
>Chris> server in my house, and a Macintosh notebook.  I'm now looking to
>Chris> fire up a PC notebook with it, as well.
>
>Chris> I'm looking for recommendations as to what brand and model I
>Chris> should look for (or stay away from).  I don't want to spend more
>Chris> than $800 for the beast, so getting something that is new is
>Chris> _not_ important. I would prefer something with an active matrix
>Chris> screen, built in modem and ethernet, and CD drive.  And the
>Chris> smaller and lighter the better - but certainly not the most
>Chris> important consideration.

I've been getting several interesting replies.  Thanks!

Maybe I phrased this inaccurately, though.  I think that I'm looking
for something along the lines of an older, _used_ notebook.
Something with great Linux support, where the various pieces (sound,
networking, modem, etc.) all work.

Since this computer will be at least a year old (from my guess), I'll
be able to get it for my <$800 price point...

Thanks again,

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RE: installing debian2.2 on a ibm thinkpad760el

[Glen S Mehn]

I installed debian 2.1 on my machine-- after not being able to get debian
2.2 to work (this was about 1 1/2 years ago, when 2.2 ws still unstable) and
I think that I had to use the "floppy=thinkpad" option to the kernel @
bootup. I also booted and did the network install.

you might try that, if you've got a networkable system.

glen


-Original Message-
From: crit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:48 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: installing debian2.2 on a ibm thinkpad760el


anyone have xperience installing debian2.2 on an ibm
thinkpad760el. im using 2.2r3. in this laptop uses the
same drive bay for the floppy or the cdrom drive so
its an either or thing and the cdrom is not
bootable.im using the newest version of the bios
firmware ibm currently has on their site.

the bootfloppy hangs w/ some kinda error relating to
the harddrive. if i try preinstalling debian on the
harddrive w/ my desktop the laptop shuts its selfdown
while the kernel is loading.

sounds like bios apm incompatibility to me??  since
the thinkpad doesnt have much in the way of bios
config is my only option a custon kernel? i dont c an
easy work around to this, any idears??


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RE: Getting Connected to the Internet

[Glen S Mehn]

(I'm going to assume you mean laptop rather than desktop, since you sent
this to the debian-laptop list)

Look in /etc/pcmcia

the file 'network.opts' is probably what you want.

Also check the PCMCIA-HOWTO-- at linuxdoc.org or apt-get install
doc-linux-text

then you'll have most all of the howto's in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt

g'luck!

glen

-Original Message-
From: Eric Borton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 01:31 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Getting Connected to the Internet


I have a desktop here at work and I would like to connect to the network.
I have a 3Com ethernet card.  Can someone show this newbie where to go for
newbie instructions.  If it something easy like typing in some command that
will take me through the process of configuration then could someone please
give that to me.

Thank You


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RE: Best network card for network install? && a question about /dev/psaux

[Glen S Mehn]

are you running gpm? if so, you might try setting your mouse to /dev/gpmdata

Or try stopping gpm before starting X.

here's my XF86-Config-4 (I assume you're running X4?)(just the mouse
section)

Note that Emulate3Buttons is commented out, as well as ZAxisMapping

and I don't have gpm installed.

glen
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "PS/2"
#   Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
#   Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

-Original Message-
From: Brian Button [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 07:35 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Best network card for network install? && a question about
/dev/psaux



- Original Message -
From: "Tony Godshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Glen Mehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Brian Button" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Best network card for network install?


> I'm glad to hear Glen had better experience than I did.
> Glen and Brian, could you note which release you're
> installing?  As I noted, my experience was with slink.
>
> --
> Tony
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 09:58:15AM -0700, Glen Mehn wrote:
> > before "configure device drivers" do "Alternate-- configure pcmcia"
> >
> > I've had good luck with just about every pcmcia card I've tried--
several xircom's, netgearfa410x, several different 3com's... I think you
just need to add pcmcia support before you configure the network (and I
think that I do it before I config device drivers)

*This* was the key :) I hadn't noticed the alternative choices there to do
this, and I'm sorry I didn't. Once I did that, and changed from a PCMPC200
V2 to an EC2T Linksys card, things went perfectly. I am tempted to wipe it
out now that I have it loaded, and just load the bits and pieces I need
instead of getting greedy and loading everything :)

The amazing thing is that X even works, almost. My current problem is that
my mouse doesn't move at all under X. Any advice on that? Here are the
particulars:

Laptop is Thinkpad 770X (9549-7AU)
XF86Config lists Mouse Protocol as PS/2 and device as /dev/psaux
Debian release is 2.2r3
/dev/psaux is root, root, mode is 660
I tried starting X as me and as root.

I get no error messages or anything, but the mouse doesn't work. I checked
on how I had the mouse configured on my previous RH 6.1 install, and
everything looks exactly the same.


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RE: What to choose

[Glen S Mehn]

You might try the link:

'debian for ex-BEOS users'

from the home page.

it's got a pretty good 'overall' way to install a clean, stable debian
system.

Remember that debian is a community, a community of volunteers, working to
make a flexible, secure, stable OS. It supports ARM, SPARC, x86, PPC, Alpha,
Motorola 680x0, and even 2 different kernels. (linux and HURD).

the docs aren't the gretaest-- I'd definitely agree. But part of the beauty
of the system is its huge range of applications, commitment to the free
software philosophy, stability, flexibility, and wide range of support. That
complicates things for doc writers.

glen




-Original Message-
From: TEETER,VINCE (HP-USA,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 06:29 AM
To: 'debian-laptop@lists.debian.org'
Subject: RE: What to choose


It would also be cool to have better general, high-level doc about Debian.
There is no shortage of details, but I still have no concept of what the
various pieces are.  Please don't say to read all that highly detailed and
often repetative doc.  This would be like saying you need to read the
complete jacket before playing a CD.

I can load my old Stormix easily, I can even create .iso disks from the web,
but I cannot seem to get Debian installed using them, and haven't a clue as
to how to update the system (like install a 2.4 kernel).  Also the various
instructions to check which mirror sites support whatever, are very
difficult for me and probably most first timers.  You need one site to get
this and one to get that just to have something to install, and eventually
you are TADL (totally ass damn lost).

Since I am a second level HP O/S and language support engineer who also
supports several Red Hat machines so I cannot imagine how imposing Debian
must be for some poor Windose guy.  I'm still trying to determine whether
Debian desires to be exclusive or inclusive, because frankly, I don't have
time for all that minutae.

So if someone wants to attempt to make Debian available to us who are not
insiders, familiar with all the intimacies of the package, then we
specifically need -

Easy (you know, clear, simple, and SHORT!) instructions for getting and
installing an initial load of Debian.

Instructions for finding, installing, and testing device drivers.  (This is
the only thing that should possibly be difficult.)

Easy instructions for updating and modifying Debian.

In the mean time, I'll keep watching for progress and also waiting.

Vince
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-Original Message-
From: Adam C Powell IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 17:21
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Cc: Søren Neigaard
Subject: Re: What to choose


Teppo Hytönen wrote:

>Giving a list about what's good in Debian would take a while, I don't
>think I'll even start on that, hehe : )
>
I gave it a try a while ago, and came up with the list at
http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian.html .  Additions/corrections welcome.

It would be cool to have a general PR document of this type.  I guess
there are related things on the Debian webpage, but some nice advocacy
PDFs to give to "management" or other "customers" would be great.
 (Links anyone?)

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RE: Cant read root disk

[Glen S Mehn]

this should probably be on debian-user, rather than debian-laptop.

(from the manual) did you try other disks? I've gone through 4-5 disks.
Floppies aren't great media, being hugely error-prone.

Have a look in the installation guide.

glne


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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:06 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Cant read root disk


I have downloaded root.bin and rescue.bin, used rawrite2 to make two
disks. rescue boots fine, but when I put the root disk in, and hit
enter, it says something like no fs root, or something.

Please advice.

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RE: Re[2]: Debian installation problems

[Glen S Mehn]

Can you send the results of :

ls -al /etc/pcmcia #, and
cat /etc/pcmcia/network.opts

-Original Message-
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:12 AM
To: Glen Mehn
Cc: Guillaume; Jeff Coppock; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re[2]: Debian installation problems


Tuesday, October 09, 2001, 6:45:06 PM, Glen wrote:

GM> look in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts. You should see something similar to:
GM> auto eth0
GM> iface eth0 inet static
GM> address x.x.x.x
GM> netmask 255.255.255.0
GM> network x.x.x.x
GM> broadcast x.x.x.x
GM> gateway x.x.x.x
GM> that's where you'll configure your networking info. After you do that,
then run (as root)
Everything looks alright to me. I have my IP and all.

GM> /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart
Still dosn't work :( Do you think we are looking the wrong place?
Maybe it's more low-level? Can I be sure it uses the xirc2ps driver?


GM> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 06:35:27PM +0200, S?ren Neigaard wrote:
>> Monday, October 08, 2001, 9:42:40 AM, Guillaume wrote:
>>
>> G> Ok so you have PCMCIA-CS installed, and when you
>> G> type "ifconfig eth0" it does not find the interface.
>> I get:
>>
>> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:A4:B8:5C:61
>>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
>>   RX packets:65 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>   TX packets:50 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>   Collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
>>   Interrop:11 Base address:0x400
>>
>> Is that ok?
>>
>> G> yes, type "modprobe -l"
>> G> thufir:/home/silk# modprobe -l
>> G> /lib/modules/2.4.9/kernel/drivers/char/pcmcia/serial_cs.o
>> G> /lib/modules/2.4.9/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o
>> G> /lib/modules/2.4.9/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/3c574_cs.o
>> G> thufir:/home/silk#
>> G> for me it's 3c_574 which is my 3com ethernet card driver.
>> G> actually it's the 589 (written on the card, so on your probably
>> G> too..) but the kernel uses the same driver for either ones.
>> I get a lot of "/lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/pcmcia/*", but nothing about
>> drivers. Is that good or bad?
>>
>> I have the "/lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/pcmcia/xirc2ps_cs.o" which should
>> be my card.
>>
>> Do I still have to recompile the kernel?
>>
>> I will give this a go in debian-users too :)
>>
>> >> If mine aren't there, how do I add
>> >> it, and should I remove the others (how is this done)? The driver we
>> >> are talking about, I guess that is the xurc2ps right? Do I need more
>> >> info on my card than that, do I need to pass it some parameters?
>>
>> G> Parameters, proably not. Look on the hardware how-to OR Google to
>> G> make sure your card is supported. It's gonna take you some time...
>>
>> G> No you don't have to remove the others from the kernel
>>
>> G> As the last resort, and if your drivers ARE supported by the kernel,
>> G> I advise you to download the 2.4.9 debian kernel source, decompress
>> G> it in /usr/src/kernel-2.4.9/. then you read the README and you
recompile
>> G> your kernel. The README files tells you evrything you need to know,
>> G> and way more. In fact you basically need to do (from memory.. : make
>> G> menuconfig (choose your card there) make dep, make modules, edit
lilo.conf)

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RE: x-window-manager link

[Glen S Mehn]

KDE isn't a window manager, it's a desktop environment.

try 'apt-get install kdm', and start it from kdm.

(disclaimer-- I use gnome, not kde, but I know that you need a window
manager underlying kde/gnome)

glen


-Original Message-
From: Mark R. Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 02:05 PM
To: Stefano Zacchiroli; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: x-window-manager link



Ohh... bummer.

Here is what I get when I tried the command you suggested:

There is only 1 program which provides x-window-manager
(/usr/bin/X11/twm).  Nothing to configure.

Now what

-Original Message-
From: Stefano Zacchiroli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:37 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: x-window-manager link


On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:33:39AM -0400, Mark R. Millsap wrote:
> In the /usr/bin/x-window-manager is a link pointing to
> /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager file, which in turn is a link to
> /usr/bin/X11/twm.
>
> I would like to be able to start the KDE desktop from the command line
with
> the 'startx' command.

   update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

and choose the window manager you prefer.

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RE: problem reaching remote server

[Glen S Mehn]

what's in your resolv.conf?
what's in your nsswitch.conf for 'hosts'?

Do you get a dhcp address on your home lan? Did you setup the dhcp server?
Is it serving up 'option domain-name-servers'? You may have to set that by
dhcp as well (add the line in your dhcp.conf:

option domain-name-servers ,;

glen


-Original Message-
From: Dan Radovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 04:21 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem reaching remote server


Up until last week I've had no problems connecting to the internet on my
debian 2.2r3/toshiba laptop via eth0 using a dhcp client with my home dsl.
But
since I began using ppp to make a dialup connection at my office (which
works
just fine), I just cannot now get a remote server whenever I connect to the
dsl. I can ping to my gateway dsl router and beyond, as long as I know the
dotted quad address. But any names just don't get resolved. I've check every
resolv.conf I can find, but they all seem to be okay. I'm somewhat confident
it's just a configuration thing -- but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Any
hints?

Thanks,
Dan Radovsky


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RE: PCMCIA Installation

[Glen S Mehn]

You should only need the rescue, root, and driver floppies. The ones I use
are either the reiserfs floppies (6 discs, you can find the images in the
archives of this list), or here:
ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian2.2r3/main/disks-i386/current/ima
ges-1.44/ (6 discs also)

hope this helps.

There are some folks who have made a small (~20MB, I think) 'compact-cd'
imatges, if your laptop supports cd booting. Look at the debian-cd archives
for that info.

the base-?.bin images are pretty much for people with special needs, etc. I
assume. Though back in the day you had to make all the discs yourself.

And you might be able to get away with the 'compact' floppies-- that makes 3
total discs, but I don't know about its pcmcia support. Give it a try!

glen


-Original Message-
From: Harry Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 04:31 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: PCMCIA Installation


Is this possible?

Isn't there a simple procedure to get to a debian archive using a
pcmcia network card (or modem) and a couple of floppies, or is it
necessary to mess around creating 16 floppies?!

Thanks for any favourable (or otherwise) replies,,

B.


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RE: Next step?

[Glen S Mehn]

a quick guide to apt (there are docs-- install doc-linux-text, and you'll
end up with lots of docs in /usr/share/doc, including a guide to apt, and
dpkg, the debian packaging system)

apt-get update -- this updates a local database of packages that are
available. This gets the sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Things you want
inthat file (at least):

the reference to 'security.debian.org' uncommented. This is for security
updates.
a pointer to 'stable' packages

you may _or_may_not_ want a pointer to testing packages. If you do, things
are likely to break. But, then, you'll learn more in trying to fix them, so
it's up to you.

apt-get install  -- this will attempt to install a package and
its dependencies. Note that it won't install 'suggested' packages, often
like the docs. If you search for the package on the debian
website(http://www.debian.org/distriblist/packages), it'll show you the
dependencies/conflicts, etc. It's pretty smart about dependencies, but it is
possible to get circular dependencies, etc. The error messages are pretty
good, too.

apt-get dist-upgrade-- if you want to update the core system of yours to the
next release (say, potato to woody)

apt-get upgrade -- this will look for any newer versions of anything that
you have installed, and if ready, it'll upgrade them.

dist-upgrade and upgrade will upgrade anything that you have -- including
your sawmill, etc.

There's a _lot_ more to know about this. Have a look in the docs, and good
luck!

glen


-Original Message-
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:23 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Next step?


Ok I will give Sawfish and Gnome a try. A few more questions then :)

If I install sawfish-gnome, does that meen that I have also installed
Gnome, or do I need to install Gnome separate?

What are the difference between Testing and Unstable?

Should I upgrade to testing/unstable first, or install sawfish first
(will sawfish upgrade together with the rest of my system)?

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RE: Re[2]: Next step?

[Glen S Mehn]

apt (IIRC) won't ever update your kernel. Though it might. Updating the
kernel on a laptop in debian is a bit tricky, if you're used to other dists,
but it's not too hard. Read the make-kpkg stuff.

*I* would use the security updates in any case, but it really depends on
where and how you're using your laptop. I move mine all around (I'm a
systems admin), take it to colo centers, have it plugged in dmzs, direct
attatched to the Net, behind firewalls, and I sometimes even login from work
and do stuff there. It certainly can't hurt, even if it's a workstation.
Remember, in linux, the real difference between workstation and server is
just a matter of what you do with it-- I do apache/python/java development
on mine, and so I run lots of 'server' apps, so... it's really up to you.

Debian has lots of good things going for it-- its stable is incredibly
stable. I have systems that've been running over a year without a problem at
all. The testing distro is 'almost-bleeding edge'-- basically the difference
between unstable and testing is that unstable is the newest updates, and
testing is what's in unstable that hasn't had a blocker bug filed against
it, but still could be plenty buggy. What you get out of it is an updated
set of packages. For instance: testing has X 4.1 in it, while stable has
IIRC X 3.3.6. I use testing for almost, and find it very stable, though of
course YMMV.

woody is the next release of debian-- the current one is potato, aka stable.
woody is the code name for current project that's in testing-- kind of like
netapp calling the release of it's 6.1 software guinness, or apple calling
their powerbooks 'wallstreet' or 'bronze'.

Debian's got a lot of information to amass fairly quickly-- most of these
questions are, however, answered in the docs on the site-- youmight want to
have a look around-- part of many folks' reasons for running debian are its
philosophy, which is also covered.

glne


-Original Message-
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Glen S Mehn; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re[2]: Next step?


Thursday, October 11, 2001, 7:39:37 PM, Glen wrote:

GSM> a quick guide to apt (there are docs-- install doc-linux-text, and
you'll
GSM> end up with lots of docs in /usr/share/doc, including a guide to apt,
and
GSM> dpkg, the debian packaging system)
Have looked at it, some more questions :)

GSM> apt-get update -- this updates a local database of packages that are
GSM> available. This gets the sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Things you
want
GSM> inthat file (at least):
GSM> the reference to 'security.debian.org' uncommented. This is for
security
GSM> updates.
GSM> a pointer to 'stable' packages
Should I uncomment the security line? My machine is a workstation, not
a server, is this needed?

GSM> you may _or_may_not_ want a pointer to testing packages. If you do,
things
GSM> are likely to break. But, then, you'll learn more in trying to fix
them, so
GSM> it's up to you.
I need some help here. Do I make a pointer to each package, or to a
place where packages can be found?

What do you recommend, what do I gain from running testing packages?
Would it be smart when it comes to X?

GSM> apt-get dist-upgrade-- if you want to update the core system of yours
to the
GSM> next release (say, potato to woody)
What is woody, does this include a new kernel?

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RE: Re[2]: Next step?

[Glen S Mehn]

ah--the question I didn't answer:

Have a look at the /etc/apt/sources.list. There are probably lines that
include something like http.us.debian.org and http.nonus.debian.org. (the
difference is a long-winded set of discussions of US cryptography laws,
their import and export, and questions of trademark law)

you pretty much point to either 'testing', 'stable', 'potato', 'woody',
'unstable', in each line.

glen

-Original Message-
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Glen S Mehn; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re[2]: Next step?


Thursday, October 11, 2001, 7:39:37 PM, Glen wrote:

GSM> a quick guide to apt (there are docs-- install doc-linux-text, and
you'll
GSM> end up with lots of docs in /usr/share/doc, including a guide to apt,
and
GSM> dpkg, the debian packaging system)
Have looked at it, some more questions :)

GSM> apt-get update -- this updates a local database of packages that are
GSM> available. This gets the sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Things you
want
GSM> inthat file (at least):
GSM> the reference to 'security.debian.org' uncommented. This is for
security
GSM> updates.
GSM> a pointer to 'stable' packages
Should I uncomment the security line? My machine is a workstation, not
a server, is this needed?

GSM> you may _or_may_not_ want a pointer to testing packages. If you do,
things
GSM> are likely to break. But, then, you'll learn more in trying to fix
them, so
GSM> it's up to you.
I need some help here. Do I make a pointer to each package, or to a
place where packages can be found?

What do you recommend, what do I gain from running testing packages?
Would it be smart when it comes to X?

GSM> apt-get dist-upgrade-- if you want to update the core system of yours
to the
GSM> next release (say, potato to woody)
What is woody, does this include a new kernel?

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RE: installation with no floppy or CD?

[Glen S Mehn]

(it's really not that hard-- I've done it with a tp570)
the best thing is if it's on (ugh) win98 to start (or 95)--

1- use something to shrink your partition, or else get put the following
files on a nfs server

download your root.bin, rescue.bin, drivers.tgz, and (if you want)
base-2_2.tgz onto the partition/nfs server. Also download loadlin. Or
linload.

boot into 'real' dos -- where you have to reboot into ms-dos mode.

run loadlin.

and it's pretty OK.

glen

-Original Message-
From: Sean Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sean 'Shaleh'
Perry
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:41 PM
To: David J. Roundy
Cc: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: installation with no floppy or CD?


It can be done.  But you do really feel that masochistic.  Just borrow a
cdrom/floppy.


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RE: kernel panic

[Glen S Mehn]

did you compile ext2 support? Try putting it into the kernel instead of in
modules. It's not that big, and you probably want your ext2 (or reiser, or
xfs, or whatever) always available anyway...

glen


-Original Message-
From: Tom Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 03:02 AM
To: Bjorn Eriksson
Cc: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: kernel panic


On Wednesday 17 October 2001 04:29, Bjorn Eriksson spewed forth:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Mariusz Zielinski wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 October 2001 03:40, Tom Allison wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > That's when things started getting weird.
> > > I think I also changed the kernel to include devfs & ide-cd (IDE-ATAPI
> > > support for my CDROM drive).
> >
> > I think the problem is devfs. It changes naming of the devices and
> > /dev/hda6 isn't /dev/hda6 anymore. Try booting kernel without
> > devfs.
>
>  Using kernel parameter devfs=nomount
>
>  Next time, keep your old kernel around for backup! HTH.

Thanks!  I tried reading up on this devfs thing and found something that got
me a little closer:
LILO: linux root=/dev/ide/part5
resulted in:
VFS: mounted root (cramfs filesystem)
Waiting for 5 sseconds, press ENTER to obtain a shell
modprobe: Can't locate module ext2 <>
Kernel panic:  I have no root and I want to scream

I love the kernel messaging!  But not the message.
I suppose at this point I have to figure out what happened to my modules, or
what my kernel thinks I did with my modules.
Question:  In order for this kernel to compile, I had to remove the
modversions portion (keep track of modules by kernel version) which I've
never seen before.
Where is is trying to find the modules?
/lib/modules/ instead of /lib/modules/2.4.9/ ?


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RE: kernel panic

[Glen S Mehn]

Tom:

did you use make-kpkg to install your kernel?

you should be able to fix it, if you know your way around kernels (and
assuming you didn't overwrite your old kernel!) by booting with the rescue
disk-- the rescue.bin and root.bin that you used to install.

boot, at the boot prompt type 'linux rescue' (no quotes, and not this
parentheticalnote)

rm /vmlinuz
ln -s /voot/vmlinuz-whatever-your-old-linux-kernel-is /vmlinuz
check your /etc/lilo.conf
run lilo
pray
reboot.

you probably will also need to change /lib/modules to lib/modules.old and
move your old /lib/modules to /lib/modules.2.2.19 or whatever it was called.

andyou'll be in ash, which is a pretty limited shell.

Good luck!

(I don't know if the rescue disks include dkpkg, but if you used make-kpkg
you *should* be abel to uninstall with dpkg --purge
 and rerunning lilo)

glen


-Original Message-
From: Tom Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 06:40 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: kernel panic


On Tuesday 16 October 2001 21:32, Tom Allison spewed forth:
> I think I fried my notebook.
> Of course I have not boot disk and am not even sure how exactly I would
use
> one.
> "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:06"
> (hda6 is correct...)
>
> I was using kernel 2.4.9.
> All I have is the 2.2.r3 CD-ROM and another PC.
>
> What do I do?
After reading some of the other posts. I think this is what happened because
of the modutils problem.

I was trying to rebuild my kernel and it kept freaking about about a
modversion.h setting in my menuconfig.  I was trying to use versions on my
modules.

That's when things started getting weird.
I think I also changed the kernel to include devfs & ide-cd (IDE-ATAPI
support for my CDROM drive).

Now it's fscked, big time!

HELP!!


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RE: Best "new" laptop

[Glen S Mehn]

thinkpad T21. (or T20)

they're powerhouses, light (4.6 lb), have cd/dvd support, are super
reliable, ibm supports linux on them (well, not winmodems and maybe not the
internal NIC) and I've had a bunch of thinkpads w/ linux and they've been
great. I've even got a 760-EL (p133) that I still use from time to time.

it's just great.

glen

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 06:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Best "new" laptop


I currently have a Toshiba 720CDT, and overall have been happy with it.  I
_may_ have an opportunity to get a new laptop (with someone else's money
:-).
I want to get feedback regarding "current" laptops on the market and how
well
they work with Linux.  My goal here is to get the fastest, lightest, Linux
compatible laptop out there.  Something with a "thin" form-factor and with
long
battery life, but with the horsepower to be a desktop replacement when
placed
in a docking station.  (I don't want much, do I?)  Since I'm in the
"dreaming"
stage right now, my question is this...

If you had an unlimited budget on which to spend on your "dream" Linux
laptop,
what would you buy and why?

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RE: T20's internal modem

[Glen S Mehn]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that ibm ships the t20 with caldera and
claims the modem works...

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: T20's internal modem


Frank Rudolf Georg Petzold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 01:13:52PM +0100, Achim Derigs wrote:
> > my T20 has an internal modem, but it doesn't work under sid (kernel
2.4.0).
>
> It might be the same one as in my A20p which works fine with the ltmodem
> driver (see http://www.linmodems.org)

No, that's the 3com combo card.  There's no linux driver for the modem
yet, though there are rumors someone under NDA is working on one.

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RE: Extra `mouse' button on a Thinkpad T21

[Glen S Mehn]

X 4.0 or X 3.3.6?

it's all pretty well doc'd: I've got it running on a 600e, which uses the
same hardware and all. hmmm... check on the linux OS links under the
Thinkpad 600E: there's some explicit instructions. I think I just used a
generic /dev/psaux mouse and then set the mouse to 3 buttons, and, magic, it
worked.

both in X4.0 and X.3.3.6.

this may not work for you, but hope it helps. Mail me privately and I can
get you my exact X4.0 config file if you want...

glen

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:15 PM
To: Debian-laptop
Subject: Extra `mouse' button on a Thinkpad T21


I've been working with getting Debian running in all its glory on an
IBM Thinkpad T21, and am pretty pleased -- except for one tiny issue.

The T21 has a large button with a blue marking underneath the left-
and right-`mouse' buttons.  Under Windows, this is used as a scroll
button.

I'd like to set this up as a middle mouse button, but I'm not sure
how.  I can't just remap it with xmodmap, since it's currently not
even being read by X (tested using xev).  In addition, none of the
mouse configurations in gpm seem to activate it.

Anyone have any ideas?

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RE: Query on CF cards..

[Glen S Mehn]

if you get a pcmcia adaptor for CF cards, you can insert it (if you have the
PCMCIA kernel modules installed!) and then mount it as a hard disk. on most
systems, it will be mountable as a vfat volume (you need this in your kernel
too!) on the first available IDE controller: most systems will see it as
/dev/hde1 (hda=bus0-master, hdb=bus0-slave, hdc=bus1-master,
hdd=bus1-slave).

I think that it should work the same way if you get a pcmcia pci adapter for
your desktop.

I've heard lots of tales about fiddling around: probably best to go to
linuxdoc.org and search for the particular model of digital camera.

but the best thing that I've found is to spring for the $15 and go the
pcmcia route. it's super simple and works great.

the command would be (as root or with sudo)

mount -t vfat /dev/hde1 /

glen

-Original Message-
From: anup neelanath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Query on CF cards..


Hi,
Let me intoduce myself first. I am Anup from India. I am looking in the net
for buying a digital camera - one with compact flash card. I got ur mail
address from one of the replies u had given for a query on compact flash
card. I hope u will be able to answer my query..

I have a desktop PC - windows, and no USB port. The cameras now adays come
with USB cables. I saw that the CF card is IDE compatible. Does it mean that
I can directly connect the CF card to the IDE interface (as if connecting a
HD), or do I need to have some interface to connect it to the IDE cable.

I understand that if I buy a PCMCIA adaptor for CF card I can use it in the
PCMCIA slot of a laptop and in that case also will I see the CF card as a
Hard disk?

I will be really grateful if u can answer my queries...

Thanx a lot in advance//
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Re: Compact Flash card problem

[Glen S Mehn]

that is really odd. It would look like your CF card is getting read as hdc, which 
would be IDE bus 1, device 0, which is (typically) where your CD/DVD drive is. I'm not 
sure why this would happen. Mine shows up as hde1

Havve you got a CD/dvd drive in there? Can you access both? 

glen


On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:38:34PM +0800, Alex Kwan wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am using a 64MB CF card  with a PCMCIA adapter
> in my notebook, the read and write is o.k., but when
> insert this card will have following error message:
> hdc: SanDisk SDCFB-64, ATA DISK DRIVE
> ide1 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 9
> hdc: drive_cmd:status=0x51 {DriveReady Seek Complete Error}
> hdc: drive_cmd:error=0x04
> 
> What is the reason and how to fix it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Alex
> 
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RE: Compact Flash card problem

[Glen S Mehn]

RE: the problem below:

you can also stop pcmcia services, remove the card, and then restart. Never
seen a syslog or kern.log message yet.

glen

A side note:  I've had some trouble after unmounting and ejecting my CF
card, in that Linux complains about a lost interrupt.  This tends to cause
filesystem corruption as well, so I recommend the workaround of only
removing the card when the laptop is powered off.

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RE: What's your favorite inexpensive Linux laptop?

[Glen S Mehn]

thinkpad 600/600e. IBM even has docs on how to get them working with
(redhat) linux, though you can sort out how to get all the bits, except the
winmodem, with debain from those directions.

regards,

glen


-Original Message-
From: Chris Ivanovich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:26 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What's your favorite inexpensive Linux laptop?


>  > "Chris" == Chris Ivanovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>Chris> Greetings fellow Debianers...  I was hoping I could get some
>Chris> personal opinions here.  I currently have Debian running on a
>Chris> server in my house, and a Macintosh notebook.  I'm now looking to
>Chris> fire up a PC notebook with it, as well.
>
>Chris> I'm looking for recommendations as to what brand and model I
>Chris> should look for (or stay away from).  I don't want to spend more
>Chris> than $800 for the beast, so getting something that is new is
>Chris> _not_ important. I would prefer something with an active matrix
>Chris> screen, built in modem and ethernet, and CD drive.  And the
>Chris> smaller and lighter the better - but certainly not the most
>Chris> important consideration.

I've been getting several interesting replies.  Thanks!

Maybe I phrased this inaccurately, though.  I think that I'm looking
for something along the lines of an older, _used_ notebook.
Something with great Linux support, where the various pieces (sound,
networking, modem, etc.) all work.

Since this computer will be at least a year old (from my guess), I'll
be able to get it for my <$800 price point...

Thanks again,

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RE: installing debian2.2 on a ibm thinkpad760el

[Glen S Mehn]

I installed debian 2.1 on my machine-- after not being able to get debian
2.2 to work (this was about 1 1/2 years ago, when 2.2 ws still unstable) and
I think that I had to use the "floppy=thinkpad" option to the kernel @
bootup. I also booted and did the network install.

you might try that, if you've got a networkable system.

glen


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Subject: installing debian2.2 on a ibm thinkpad760el


anyone have xperience installing debian2.2 on an ibm
thinkpad760el. im using 2.2r3. in this laptop uses the
same drive bay for the floppy or the cdrom drive so
its an either or thing and the cdrom is not
bootable.im using the newest version of the bios
firmware ibm currently has on their site.

the bootfloppy hangs w/ some kinda error relating to
the harddrive. if i try preinstalling debian on the
harddrive w/ my desktop the laptop shuts its selfdown
while the kernel is loading.

sounds like bios apm incompatibility to me??  since
the thinkpad doesnt have much in the way of bios
config is my only option a custon kernel? i dont c an
easy work around to this, any idears??


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Re: PCMCIA Flash Card Problem

[Glen S Mehn]

if it's CompactFlash, then it's got an ide interface. I've always had them mount as 
the /dev just after your last IDE bus: usually /dev/hde1

and it's always been vfat for me -- long filenames.

hope this helps.

glen


On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 11:05:19AM +0200, thomas wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a 64MB flash memory card with a pcmcia adapter.
> 
> As far as I know those things use ide/ata interface.
> It worked this way on my old Laptop with a potato frozen
> release. I could mount it with something like 
> "mount -t msdos /dev/hde1 /flash".
> 
> Something changed in the meanwhile with potato r3 
> instead ide_cs some memory_cs and sram modules
> get loaded.  Is this correct and if so how do I access the card now?
> A mount on /dev/mem0 fails of course (no valid block device).
> 
> My overall feeling is that the card is not recocnized correctly. 
> Does anybody have or had a similar problem ?
> 
> 
> 
> Remarks: 
> 
> It does not seem to be a hardware Problem: I copied the old Potato frozen System
> on the new Laptop and it does work just like it did on the old Laptop ( well
> it is hdc now and used to be hde)
> 
> I will get pretty much the same thing when using kernel 2.2.19 and the original 
> potato pcmcia-cs package instead of Adrian Bunks kernel 2.4 stuff.
> 
> I also tried to use the provided 2.4 kernel moduls, but have even more troubles 
> with those. 
> 
> I also did rebuild  and install the pcmcia-deb package with modules  for any kernel 
> and any kernel configuration I tried.
> 
> I can't remember to have changed anything to the pcmcia system when I installed the 
> old sysmtem, but it is a long time ago.
> 
> 
> Here is some more out put from syslog
> 
> old Potato frozen preRelease , Kernel 2.2.15
> PCMCIA Package: pcmcia-cs (3.1.8-14) frozen
> 
> Jul  4 06:39:56 tofila cardmgr[127]: initializing socket 0
> Jul  4 06:39:56 tofila cardmgr[127]: socket 0: ATA/IDE Fixed Disk
> Jul  4 06:39:56 tofila cardmgr[127]: executing: 'insmod 
>/lib/modules/2.2.15/pcmcia/ide_cs.o'
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: hdc: PQI FLASH DISK 1201N Rev990903, ATA DISK drive
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: ide1 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 3
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: hdc: PQI FLASH DISK 1201N Rev990903, 63MB w/0kB 
>Cache, CHS=1014/8/16
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel:  hdc: hdc1
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: ide_cs: hdc: Vcc = 3.3, Vpp = 0.0
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila cardmgr[127]: executing: './ide start hdc'
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device ide1(22,0)
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel:  hdc: hdc1
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete 
>Error }
> Jul  4 06:40:00 tofila kernel: hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Potato r3 , Kernel 2.4.5 
> PCMCIA Package: pcmcia-cs (3.1.25-2.bunk)
> 
> Jul  4 09:56:01 io cardmgr[175]: executing: 'modprobe -r memory_cs'
> Jul  4 09:56:01 io cardmgr[175]: executing: 'modprobe -r sram_mtd'
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io cardmgr[175]: initializing socket 0
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io cardmgr[175]: socket 0: Anonymous Memory
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io cardmgr[175]: executing: 'modprobe sram_mtd'
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io cardmgr[175]:   Common memory region at 0x0: Generic or SRAM
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io cardmgr[175]: executing: 'modprobe memory_cs'
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io kernel: sram_mtd: common at 0x0, 2 kb, 400 ns
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io cardmgr[175]: executing: './memory start mem0'
> Jul  4 09:56:13 io kernel: memory_cs: mem0: common 2 kb
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
>   Thomas
> 
> 
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RE: Getting Connected to the Internet

[Glen S Mehn]

(I'm going to assume you mean laptop rather than desktop, since you sent
this to the debian-laptop list)

Look in /etc/pcmcia

the file 'network.opts' is probably what you want.

Also check the PCMCIA-HOWTO-- at linuxdoc.org or apt-get install
doc-linux-text

then you'll have most all of the howto's in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt

g'luck!

glen

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 01:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Getting Connected to the Internet


I have a desktop here at work and I would like to connect to the network.
I have a 3Com ethernet card.  Can someone show this newbie where to go for
newbie instructions.  If it something easy like typing in some command that
will take me through the process of configuration then could someone please
give that to me.

Thank You


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RE: What to choose

[Glen S Mehn]

You might try the link:

'debian for ex-BEOS users'

from the home page.

it's got a pretty good 'overall' way to install a clean, stable debian
system.

Remember that debian is a community, a community of volunteers, working to
make a flexible, secure, stable OS. It supports ARM, SPARC, x86, PPC, Alpha,
Motorola 680x0, and even 2 different kernels. (linux and HURD).

the docs aren't the gretaest-- I'd definitely agree. But part of the beauty
of the system is its huge range of applications, commitment to the free
software philosophy, stability, flexibility, and wide range of support. That
complicates things for doc writers.

glen




-Original Message-
From: TEETER,VINCE (HP-USA,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 06:29 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: What to choose


It would also be cool to have better general, high-level doc about Debian.
There is no shortage of details, but I still have no concept of what the
various pieces are.  Please don't say to read all that highly detailed and
often repetative doc.  This would be like saying you need to read the
complete jacket before playing a CD.

I can load my old Stormix easily, I can even create .iso disks from the web,
but I cannot seem to get Debian installed using them, and haven't a clue as
to how to update the system (like install a 2.4 kernel).  Also the various
instructions to check which mirror sites support whatever, are very
difficult for me and probably most first timers.  You need one site to get
this and one to get that just to have something to install, and eventually
you are TADL (totally ass damn lost).

Since I am a second level HP O/S and language support engineer who also
supports several Red Hat machines so I cannot imagine how imposing Debian
must be for some poor Windose guy.  I'm still trying to determine whether
Debian desires to be exclusive or inclusive, because frankly, I don't have
time for all that minutae.

So if someone wants to attempt to make Debian available to us who are not
insiders, familiar with all the intimacies of the package, then we
specifically need -

Easy (you know, clear, simple, and SHORT!) instructions for getting and
installing an initial load of Debian.

Instructions for finding, installing, and testing device drivers.  (This is
the only thing that should possibly be difficult.)

Easy instructions for updating and modifying Debian.

In the mean time, I'll keep watching for progress and also waiting.

Vince
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-Original Message-
From: Adam C Powell IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 17:21
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Søren Neigaard
Subject: Re: What to choose


Teppo Hytönen wrote:

>Giving a list about what's good in Debian would take a while, I don't
>think I'll even start on that, hehe : )
>
I gave it a try a while ago, and came up with the list at
http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian.html .  Additions/corrections welcome.

It would be cool to have a general PR document of this type.  I guess
there are related things on the Debian webpage, but some nice advocacy
PDFs to give to "management" or other "customers" would be great.
 (Links anyone?)

Zeen,
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RE: Cant read root disk

[Glen S Mehn]

this should probably be on debian-user, rather than debian-laptop.

(from the manual) did you try other disks? I've gone through 4-5 disks.
Floppies aren't great media, being hugely error-prone.

Have a look in the installation guide.

glne


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Subject: Cant read root disk


I have downloaded root.bin and rescue.bin, used rawrite2 to make two
disks. rescue boots fine, but when I put the root disk in, and hit
enter, it says something like no fs root, or something.

Please advice.

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RE: Is it possible to use Carbus NIC on kernel 2.4.12 without pcmcia-modules?

[Glen S Mehn]

you'll also need the pcmcia-cs package installed, for the utilities that it
comes with (cardctl, cardmgr, etc)



-Original Message-
From: Osamu Aoki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:46 AM
To: Kazuhiko Uebayashi
Cc: Jeff; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use Carbus NIC on kernel 2.4.12 without
pcmcia-modules?


On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 05:55:43PM +0900, Kazuhiko Uebayashi wrote:
> And If so, What shoud I do to use CardBus NIC?
In order to enable card service on 2.4 kernel, you need to either
recompile or load-up modules since it is there already.

Reboot the system after putting 2 lines in /etc/modules may be a good idea.

isa-pnp
yenta_socket

See; http://www.aokiconsulting.com/quick/ch-kernel.html#s-kernel-mod

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RE: sound problems IBM TP560

[Glen S Mehn]

http://www.linux-laptop.net/ibm.html

look for the 560 (or E, or X, or whatever)

glen


-Original Message-
From: Damon McGraw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: sound problems IBM TP560


I have a IBM ThinkPad 560 (It's old, but it still works!). I've gotten
debian installed and running nicely (including X), but I can't seem to
get the sound to work. I'm pretty sure it uses the sb.o module, but I
keep getting a "device or resource busy" messages so I figure the irq
or io address is wrong.

Anybody have any luck with this, or is there a tool in potato (old
laptops like old distos ;) that might help?

Thanks in advance,
Damon


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RE: Kernel compilation problems

[Glen S Mehn]

Did you compile your filesystem driver(s) into the kernel? ext2, reiserfs,
xfs, depending on what you installed with?

What's your /etc/fstab read?

under fs type, is it compiled in? (the non-booting kernel)

glen


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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 09:23 AM
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Subject: Kernel compilation problems


Hello,

recently I bought a Toshiba Portege 3020CT notebook and installed
Debian  Potato on it.

It worked.

I installed the kernel-source-2.2.19 package and recompiled the kernel
to support APM and some other things.

It still worked.

Then I wanted to use DHCP, but it didn't work and after reading some
documentation I tried to enable some kernel options (forgot which, but
I was probably too eager and enabled/disabled some other options as
well).

Now the new kernel wouldn't boot. And I haven't got any idea what made
the diffrence (I have tried a lot changes without succes).

During the booting of the new kernel I end up with this error message:

   request_module[block-mojor-3]: Root fs not mounted
   VFS: Cannot open root device 03:03
   Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03

Does anybody have some ideas?

The laptop is not connected to the network at the moment, but it will
be later (this still works) and I will be able to post some log files
if needed.

I still have an old, working kernel so I'm not completely lost.

/arne
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RE: kernel & PCMCIA compilation

[Glen S Mehn]

I think that 'make config' does the same thing as ./configure.

Maybe the rest of the folks on the list see that it works, and haven't
needed to get into the mechanics behind it? I've done this for about a dozen
different styles of laptops, NICs, etc, and it seems to workforme...

glen


-Original Message-
From: Harry Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 01:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kernel & PCMCIA compilation

Hmm... this is my point really. I've read those notes too and there's
no instruction to run "configure" anywhere that I can see - just
make-dpkg on the unconfigured downloaded pcmcia source! There is
however an option to "make config" in the root of the pcmcia source
tree - this may be a debian thing(?)  In fact, could it be that this
is what you do if the default answers you would get from running
"configure" aren't what you want? I know standard configure script
defaults to cardbus support, which my laptop certainly doesn't have.

I'm a bit suprised that this place wasn't populated by guru's ready to
tell me how simple I am and point me in the right direction, (nothing
antagonistic intended in that remark - I'm extremely grateful for any
replies offered  :)

H.


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RE: Xfree downgrade

[Glen S Mehn]

looks to me like they're in all 3 versions...

http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xserver-svga&;
searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all

apt-get install xserver-

glen

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Frencham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 01:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fw: Xfree downgrade


 It's a Samsung SENS800 laptop, with a 1 MB Cirrus Logic 7543 PCI graphics
 card.

 I noticed the packages are under 'stable', is there any way I can use
 apt-get to grab them without changing my sources.list?

(sorry if this was sent twice, last time I sent it in HTML by mistake)

 Daniel

 - Original Message -
 From: "Adam C Powell IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:47 AM
 Subject: Re: Xfree downgrade


 > Daniel Frencham wrote:
 >
 > > I'm using Woody on my laptop, and have been trying to get X to work.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > I just found out that my video card isn't supported under Xfree 4.x
 > > only xfree 3.x.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > Is there anyway I can install xfree86 3.3.1 under woody ?
 > >
 > There should be v3 X servers, such as xserver-svga.  Can you get and
 > install that, or whatever server is approapriate for your laptop?  (What
 > kind of laptop, what kind of video?)
 >
 > The short answer is yes, XFree 3.x servers are available under
 > woody/sid, for just this reason.
 >
 > Zeen,
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RE: IBM A Series, Mod. 26523VG

[Glen S Mehn]

the one used in the T-20/T-21/T-22 is an intel EEpro100b chipset, which
works flawlessly with linux. FWIW. Ifyou can get your hands on a 'doze box
(check at a local retailer?) have a look in the network control panel and
see what it's listed as.

-g

-Original Message-
From: Derek Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 01:20 PM
To: Debian Italian
Subject: Re: IBM A Series, Mod. 26523VG


On November 8, 2001 07:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   I'm about to order an IBM A Series, model 26523VG. My main
>   concern is on the Ethernet adaptor that I've never heard about:
>   Communication Daughter Card (CDC)
>   Does anybody knows any problem related to this card?

Sounds like a dual function card.  I use one, also IBM, which
contains a 14.4Kbps modem (needless to say, I don't use this 'child'
anymore) and a 10Mbps ethernet child which I use all the time.  Not a
big deal - I used to use this in my IBM 486 laptop which was a huge
pain to get working in Linux, but the one thing that was really 'plug
and play' was the PCMCIA card.

derek


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RE: Best network card for network install? && a question about /dev/psaux

[Glen S Mehn]

are you running gpm? if so, you might try setting your mouse to /dev/gpmdata

Or try stopping gpm before starting X.

here's my XF86-Config-4 (I assume you're running X4?)(just the mouse
section)

Note that Emulate3Buttons is commented out, as well as ZAxisMapping

and I don't have gpm installed.

glen
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "PS/2"
#   Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
#   Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 07:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Best network card for network install? && a question about
/dev/psaux



- Original Message -
From: "Tony Godshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Glen Mehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Brian Button" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Best network card for network install?


> I'm glad to hear Glen had better experience than I did.
> Glen and Brian, could you note which release you're
> installing?  As I noted, my experience was with slink.
>
> --
> Tony
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 09:58:15AM -0700, Glen Mehn wrote:
> > before "configure device drivers" do "Alternate-- configure pcmcia"
> >
> > I've had good luck with just about every pcmcia card I've tried--
several xircom's, netgearfa410x, several different 3com's... I think you
just need to add pcmcia support before you configure the network (and I
think that I do it before I config device drivers)

*This* was the key :) I hadn't noticed the alternative choices there to do
this, and I'm sorry I didn't. Once I did that, and changed from a PCMPC200
V2 to an EC2T Linksys card, things went perfectly. I am tempted to wipe it
out now that I have it loaded, and just load the bits and pieces I need
instead of getting greedy and loading everything :)

The amazing thing is that X even works, almost. My current problem is that
my mouse doesn't move at all under X. Any advice on that? Here are the
particulars:

Laptop is Thinkpad 770X (9549-7AU)
XF86Config lists Mouse Protocol as PS/2 and device as /dev/psaux
Debian release is 2.2r3
/dev/psaux is root, root, mode is 660
I tried starting X as me and as root.

I get no error messages or anything, but the mouse doesn't work. I checked
on how I had the mouse configured on my previous RH 6.1 install, and
everything looks exactly the same.


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RE: Re[2]: Debian installation problems

[Glen S Mehn]

Can you send the results of :

ls -al /etc/pcmcia #, and
cat /etc/pcmcia/network.opts

-Original Message-
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:12 AM
To: Glen Mehn
Cc: Guillaume; Jeff Coppock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: Debian installation problems


Tuesday, October 09, 2001, 6:45:06 PM, Glen wrote:

GM> look in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts. You should see something similar to:
GM> auto eth0
GM> iface eth0 inet static
GM> address x.x.x.x
GM> netmask 255.255.255.0
GM> network x.x.x.x
GM> broadcast x.x.x.x
GM> gateway x.x.x.x
GM> that's where you'll configure your networking info. After you do that,
then run (as root)
Everything looks alright to me. I have my IP and all.

GM> /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart
Still dosn't work :( Do you think we are looking the wrong place?
Maybe it's more low-level? Can I be sure it uses the xirc2ps driver?


GM> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 06:35:27PM +0200, S?ren Neigaard wrote:
>> Monday, October 08, 2001, 9:42:40 AM, Guillaume wrote:
>>
>> G> Ok so you have PCMCIA-CS installed, and when you
>> G> type "ifconfig eth0" it does not find the interface.
>> I get:
>>
>> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:A4:B8:5C:61
>>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
>>   RX packets:65 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>   TX packets:50 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>   Collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
>>   Interrop:11 Base address:0x400
>>
>> Is that ok?
>>
>> G> yes, type "modprobe -l"
>> G> thufir:/home/silk# modprobe -l
>> G> /lib/modules/2.4.9/kernel/drivers/char/pcmcia/serial_cs.o
>> G> /lib/modules/2.4.9/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o
>> G> /lib/modules/2.4.9/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/3c574_cs.o
>> G> thufir:/home/silk#
>> G> for me it's 3c_574 which is my 3com ethernet card driver.
>> G> actually it's the 589 (written on the card, so on your probably
>> G> too..) but the kernel uses the same driver for either ones.
>> I get a lot of "/lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/pcmcia/*", but nothing about
>> drivers. Is that good or bad?
>>
>> I have the "/lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/pcmcia/xirc2ps_cs.o" which should
>> be my card.
>>
>> Do I still have to recompile the kernel?
>>
>> I will give this a go in debian-users too :)
>>
>> >> If mine aren't there, how do I add
>> >> it, and should I remove the others (how is this done)? The driver we
>> >> are talking about, I guess that is the xurc2ps right? Do I need more
>> >> info on my card than that, do I need to pass it some parameters?
>>
>> G> Parameters, proably not. Look on the hardware how-to OR Google to
>> G> make sure your card is supported. It's gonna take you some time...
>>
>> G> No you don't have to remove the others from the kernel
>>
>> G> As the last resort, and if your drivers ARE supported by the kernel,
>> G> I advise you to download the 2.4.9 debian kernel source, decompress
>> G> it in /usr/src/kernel-2.4.9/. then you read the README and you
recompile
>> G> your kernel. The README files tells you evrything you need to know,
>> G> and way more. In fact you basically need to do (from memory.. : make
>> G> menuconfig (choose your card there) make dep, make modules, edit
lilo.conf)

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RE: x-window-manager link

[Glen S Mehn]

KDE isn't a window manager, it's a desktop environment.

try 'apt-get install kdm', and start it from kdm.

(disclaimer-- I use gnome, not kde, but I know that you need a window
manager underlying kde/gnome)

glen


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From: Mark R. Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 02:05 PM
To: Stefano Zacchiroli; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: x-window-manager link



Ohh... bummer.

Here is what I get when I tried the command you suggested:

There is only 1 program which provides x-window-manager
(/usr/bin/X11/twm).  Nothing to configure.

Now what

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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:37 AM
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:33:39AM -0400, Mark R. Millsap wrote:
> In the /usr/bin/x-window-manager is a link pointing to
> /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager file, which in turn is a link to
> /usr/bin/X11/twm.
>
> I would like to be able to start the KDE desktop from the command line
with
> the 'startx' command.

   update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

and choose the window manager you prefer.

Cheers!

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RE: problem reaching remote server

[Glen S Mehn]

what's in your resolv.conf?
what's in your nsswitch.conf for 'hosts'?

Do you get a dhcp address on your home lan? Did you setup the dhcp server?
Is it serving up 'option domain-name-servers'? You may have to set that by
dhcp as well (add the line in your dhcp.conf:

option domain-name-servers ,;

glen


-Original Message-
From: Dan Radovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 04:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: problem reaching remote server


Up until last week I've had no problems connecting to the internet on my
debian 2.2r3/toshiba laptop via eth0 using a dhcp client with my home dsl.
But
since I began using ppp to make a dialup connection at my office (which
works
just fine), I just cannot now get a remote server whenever I connect to the
dsl. I can ping to my gateway dsl router and beyond, as long as I know the
dotted quad address. But any names just don't get resolved. I've check every
resolv.conf I can find, but they all seem to be okay. I'm somewhat confident
it's just a configuration thing -- but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Any
hints?

Thanks,
Dan Radovsky


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RE: PCMCIA Installation

[Glen S Mehn]

You should only need the rescue, root, and driver floppies. The ones I use
are either the reiserfs floppies (6 discs, you can find the images in the
archives of this list), or here:
ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian2.2r3/main/disks-i386/current/ima
ges-1.44/ (6 discs also)

hope this helps.

There are some folks who have made a small (~20MB, I think) 'compact-cd'
imatges, if your laptop supports cd booting. Look at the debian-cd archives
for that info.

the base-?.bin images are pretty much for people with special needs, etc. I
assume. Though back in the day you had to make all the discs yourself.

And you might be able to get away with the 'compact' floppies-- that makes 3
total discs, but I don't know about its pcmcia support. Give it a try!

glen


-Original Message-
From: Harry Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 04:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PCMCIA Installation


Is this possible?

Isn't there a simple procedure to get to a debian archive using a
pcmcia network card (or modem) and a couple of floppies, or is it
necessary to mess around creating 16 floppies?!

Thanks for any favourable (or otherwise) replies,,

B.


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RE: Next step?

[Glen S Mehn]

a quick guide to apt (there are docs-- install doc-linux-text, and you'll
end up with lots of docs in /usr/share/doc, including a guide to apt, and
dpkg, the debian packaging system)

apt-get update -- this updates a local database of packages that are
available. This gets the sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Things you want
inthat file (at least):

the reference to 'security.debian.org' uncommented. This is for security
updates.
a pointer to 'stable' packages

you may _or_may_not_ want a pointer to testing packages. If you do, things
are likely to break. But, then, you'll learn more in trying to fix them, so
it's up to you.

apt-get install  -- this will attempt to install a package and
its dependencies. Note that it won't install 'suggested' packages, often
like the docs. If you search for the package on the debian
website(http://www.debian.org/distriblist/packages), it'll show you the
dependencies/conflicts, etc. It's pretty smart about dependencies, but it is
possible to get circular dependencies, etc. The error messages are pretty
good, too.

apt-get dist-upgrade-- if you want to update the core system of yours to the
next release (say, potato to woody)

apt-get upgrade -- this will look for any newer versions of anything that
you have installed, and if ready, it'll upgrade them.

dist-upgrade and upgrade will upgrade anything that you have -- including
your sawmill, etc.

There's a _lot_ more to know about this. Have a look in the docs, and good
luck!

glen


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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Next step?


Ok I will give Sawfish and Gnome a try. A few more questions then :)

If I install sawfish-gnome, does that meen that I have also installed
Gnome, or do I need to install Gnome separate?

What are the difference between Testing and Unstable?

Should I upgrade to testing/unstable first, or install sawfish first
(will sawfish upgrade together with the rest of my system)?

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RE: Re[2]: Next step?

[Glen S Mehn]

apt (IIRC) won't ever update your kernel. Though it might. Updating the
kernel on a laptop in debian is a bit tricky, if you're used to other dists,
but it's not too hard. Read the make-kpkg stuff.

*I* would use the security updates in any case, but it really depends on
where and how you're using your laptop. I move mine all around (I'm a
systems admin), take it to colo centers, have it plugged in dmzs, direct
attatched to the Net, behind firewalls, and I sometimes even login from work
and do stuff there. It certainly can't hurt, even if it's a workstation.
Remember, in linux, the real difference between workstation and server is
just a matter of what you do with it-- I do apache/python/java development
on mine, and so I run lots of 'server' apps, so... it's really up to you.

Debian has lots of good things going for it-- its stable is incredibly
stable. I have systems that've been running over a year without a problem at
all. The testing distro is 'almost-bleeding edge'-- basically the difference
between unstable and testing is that unstable is the newest updates, and
testing is what's in unstable that hasn't had a blocker bug filed against
it, but still could be plenty buggy. What you get out of it is an updated
set of packages. For instance: testing has X 4.1 in it, while stable has
IIRC X 3.3.6. I use testing for almost, and find it very stable, though of
course YMMV.

woody is the next release of debian-- the current one is potato, aka stable.
woody is the code name for current project that's in testing-- kind of like
netapp calling the release of it's 6.1 software guinness, or apple calling
their powerbooks 'wallstreet' or 'bronze'.

Debian's got a lot of information to amass fairly quickly-- most of these
questions are, however, answered in the docs on the site-- youmight want to
have a look around-- part of many folks' reasons for running debian are its
philosophy, which is also covered.

glne


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From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Glen S Mehn; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: Next step?


Thursday, October 11, 2001, 7:39:37 PM, Glen wrote:

GSM> a quick guide to apt (there are docs-- install doc-linux-text, and
you'll
GSM> end up with lots of docs in /usr/share/doc, including a guide to apt,
and
GSM> dpkg, the debian packaging system)
Have looked at it, some more questions :)

GSM> apt-get update -- this updates a local database of packages that are
GSM> available. This gets the sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Things you
want
GSM> inthat file (at least):
GSM> the reference to 'security.debian.org' uncommented. This is for
security
GSM> updates.
GSM> a pointer to 'stable' packages
Should I uncomment the security line? My machine is a workstation, not
a server, is this needed?

GSM> you may _or_may_not_ want a pointer to testing packages. If you do,
things
GSM> are likely to break. But, then, you'll learn more in trying to fix
them, so
GSM> it's up to you.
I need some help here. Do I make a pointer to each package, or to a
place where packages can be found?

What do you recommend, what do I gain from running testing packages?
Would it be smart when it comes to X?

GSM> apt-get dist-upgrade-- if you want to update the core system of yours
to the
GSM> next release (say, potato to woody)
What is woody, does this include a new kernel?

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RE: Re[2]: Next step?

[Glen S Mehn]

ah--the question I didn't answer:

Have a look at the /etc/apt/sources.list. There are probably lines that
include something like http.us.debian.org and http.nonus.debian.org. (the
difference is a long-winded set of discussions of US cryptography laws,
their import and export, and questions of trademark law)

you pretty much point to either 'testing', 'stable', 'potato', 'woody',
'unstable', in each line.

glen

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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Glen S Mehn; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: Next step?


Thursday, October 11, 2001, 7:39:37 PM, Glen wrote:

GSM> a quick guide to apt (there are docs-- install doc-linux-text, and
you'll
GSM> end up with lots of docs in /usr/share/doc, including a guide to apt,
and
GSM> dpkg, the debian packaging system)
Have looked at it, some more questions :)

GSM> apt-get update -- this updates a local database of packages that are
GSM> available. This gets the sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Things you
want
GSM> inthat file (at least):
GSM> the reference to 'security.debian.org' uncommented. This is for
security
GSM> updates.
GSM> a pointer to 'stable' packages
Should I uncomment the security line? My machine is a workstation, not
a server, is this needed?

GSM> you may _or_may_not_ want a pointer to testing packages. If you do,
things
GSM> are likely to break. But, then, you'll learn more in trying to fix
them, so
GSM> it's up to you.
I need some help here. Do I make a pointer to each package, or to a
place where packages can be found?

What do you recommend, what do I gain from running testing packages?
Would it be smart when it comes to X?

GSM> apt-get dist-upgrade-- if you want to update the core system of yours
to the
GSM> next release (say, potato to woody)
What is woody, does this include a new kernel?

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RE: installation with no floppy or CD?

[Glen S Mehn]

(it's really not that hard-- I've done it with a tp570)
the best thing is if it's on (ugh) win98 to start (or 95)--

1- use something to shrink your partition, or else get put the following
files on a nfs server

download your root.bin, rescue.bin, drivers.tgz, and (if you want)
base-2_2.tgz onto the partition/nfs server. Also download loadlin. Or
linload.

boot into 'real' dos -- where you have to reboot into ms-dos mode.

run loadlin.

and it's pretty OK.

glen

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Perry
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:41 PM
To: David J. Roundy
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Subject: RE: installation with no floppy or CD?


It can be done.  But you do really feel that masochistic.  Just borrow a
cdrom/floppy.


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RE: kernel panic

[Glen S Mehn]

Tom:

did you use make-kpkg to install your kernel?

you should be able to fix it, if you know your way around kernels (and
assuming you didn't overwrite your old kernel!) by booting with the rescue
disk-- the rescue.bin and root.bin that you used to install.

boot, at the boot prompt type 'linux rescue' (no quotes, and not this
parentheticalnote)

rm /vmlinuz
ln -s /voot/vmlinuz-whatever-your-old-linux-kernel-is /vmlinuz
check your /etc/lilo.conf
run lilo
pray
reboot.

you probably will also need to change /lib/modules to lib/modules.old and
move your old /lib/modules to /lib/modules.2.2.19 or whatever it was called.

andyou'll be in ash, which is a pretty limited shell.

Good luck!

(I don't know if the rescue disks include dkpkg, but if you used make-kpkg
you *should* be abel to uninstall with dpkg --purge
 and rerunning lilo)

glen


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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 06:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kernel panic


On Tuesday 16 October 2001 21:32, Tom Allison spewed forth:
> I think I fried my notebook.
> Of course I have not boot disk and am not even sure how exactly I would
use
> one.
> "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:06"
> (hda6 is correct...)
>
> I was using kernel 2.4.9.
> All I have is the 2.2.r3 CD-ROM and another PC.
>
> What do I do?
After reading some of the other posts. I think this is what happened because
of the modutils problem.

I was trying to rebuild my kernel and it kept freaking about about a
modversion.h setting in my menuconfig.  I was trying to use versions on my
modules.

That's when things started getting weird.
I think I also changed the kernel to include devfs & ide-cd (IDE-ATAPI
support for my CDROM drive).

Now it's fscked, big time!

HELP!!


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RE: kernel panic

[Glen S Mehn]

did you compile ext2 support? Try putting it into the kernel instead of in
modules. It's not that big, and you probably want your ext2 (or reiser, or
xfs, or whatever) always available anyway...

glen


-Original Message-
From: Tom Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 03:02 AM
To: Bjorn Eriksson
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kernel panic


On Wednesday 17 October 2001 04:29, Bjorn Eriksson spewed forth:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Mariusz Zielinski wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 October 2001 03:40, Tom Allison wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > That's when things started getting weird.
> > > I think I also changed the kernel to include devfs & ide-cd (IDE-ATAPI
> > > support for my CDROM drive).
> >
> > I think the problem is devfs. It changes naming of the devices and
> > /dev/hda6 isn't /dev/hda6 anymore. Try booting kernel without
> > devfs.
>
>  Using kernel parameter devfs=nomount
>
>  Next time, keep your old kernel around for backup! HTH.

Thanks!  I tried reading up on this devfs thing and found something that got
me a little closer:
LILO: linux root=/dev/ide/part5
resulted in:
VFS: mounted root (cramfs filesystem)
Waiting for 5 sseconds, press ENTER to obtain a shell
modprobe: Can't locate module ext2 <>
Kernel panic:  I have no root and I want to scream

I love the kernel messaging!  But not the message.
I suppose at this point I have to figure out what happened to my modules, or
what my kernel thinks I did with my modules.
Question:  In order for this kernel to compile, I had to remove the
modversions portion (keep track of modules by kernel version) which I've
never seen before.
Where is is trying to find the modules?
/lib/modules/ instead of /lib/modules/2.4.9/ ?


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RE: Recognizing Kernel Update to 2.4.12

[Glen S Mehn]

Hey doc: I think we were all assuming a slightly higher level of linux-ness
than you've got.

I'd highly, highly suggest that you read all the docs online before you go
into kernel compilation, particularly the ones about lilo (or grub) and
booting to an alternate kernel-- you'll really want to be able to boot if
you forget to include, say, IDE support, or your filesystem support or
something like that.

So, it looks like you've done some sort of 'apt-get install
kernel-source-2.4.somethingorother', or downloaded the source from
kernel.org, or somewhere else.

You need to untar the source:

root@hostname:/usr/src# tar -xvzf 

a .gz extension means it's been compressed with gzip. A tar extention means
that the file is part of a unix Tape ARchive. A tgz extension means it's a
tar archive that's been compressed with gzip.

After that, change the directory name to 'linux', so that your uncompressed,
untarred sources are in /usr/src/linux:

root@hostname:/usr/src# mv  linux

root@hostname:/usr/src# cd linux

Now, read the README files in there. It's going to say some stuff about
make, make modules, make modules_install--- note that debian and make-kpkg
does a bunch of this for you. What you NEED to do, however, is one of:

root@hostname:/usr/src# make config
root@hostname:/usr/src# make menuconfig
root@hostname:/usr/src# make xconfig

config is plain text, and kind of annoying, but it always works. menuconfig
is ncurses-based (you'll need the libncurses5-dev package), and sort of like
the debian install. xconfig will only work if you have x running, but it's
nice if you like to use your mouse.

go through all the menus. Read the helpfiles. RTFM. Have a web browser
handy.

Then, finally:

root@hostname:/usr/src# make-kpkg clean
root@hostname:/usr/src# make-kpkg --revision= kernel_image
cd ..
dpkg --install kernel-image-2.4.12-.deb

double, no, triplecheck that lilo is pointing to a good kernel for the
LinuxOLD tag. Run lilo again, just to be sure. Reboot.

RTFM. YMMV. This could render your system unbootable, don't cry to me if it
does, just fix it ;>

Good luck.

glen


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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 09:12 AM
To: Glen Mehn; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: Recognizing Kernel Update to 2.4.12


> you need to, as in the documentation, run make-kpkg from the top-level
kernel
> directory, which will depend on where you put your kernel source. This is
typically
> either /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/kernel-source-
> glen

kernel-source?  You mean "linux-2.4.12.tar.gz?

Or do you mean "linux-2.4.12.gz"?

"linux-2.4.12.tar.gz" is in /usr/src and I tried to run "make-kpkg" there.
No go.

Neither "linux-2.4.12.gz" or "kernel-source-2.4.12" exist according to
"find -name linux-2.4.12*" and "find -name kernel-source-2.4.12*" issued
from /
This despite following all of the suggested commands from this list and
others to
cause it to be created (e.g. "tar -xvvzf linux-2.4.12.tar.gz") from docs or
man or
whatever resource I found that.

Somewhere folks are assuming that I am taking a step that they have not
explicitly stated and thus the creation of the critical kernel-source in the
necessary format in the necessary location is not happening.

As always I have perused man, docs, help, articles and posts, and every
other
online resource I can find.  All assume things not explicitly stated or use
terminology I do not as-of-yet understand fully.

Help?

Thanks!  Doc



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RE: debianboot reiserfs setup disks?

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try these:

http://tinyplanet.ca/pubs/debian/html/burning.html

it's only 3 disks, but I did my laptop on them. They're reiser.

glen


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Re: ThinkPad 356XD

[Glen S Mehn]

I had trouble getting my 760 EL to boot from the disk, and I had to get
a special boot disk image-- which probably has some special kernel
patches in it. What you should generally do is boot with the 'tecra'
kernel. I don't know what the patches are, but boot disk can be found
at:
ftp://kalle.csb.ki.se/pub/ 
The image is: the resc1440.bin-only-aic7xxx

Note I had to click to d/l the image. Their apache seems to not
know that this is a binary file. Also, you'll have to rename it to 8.3
to work with rawrite.

glen


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I've had the  same problems on a 760EL, never really got it fixed, but use the
> boot from dos so far.  Sorry I can't help more, but work gets in the way of 
> fun.
> Will be interested in anwers.
> 
> >Finally decided to try Debian for the first time, and have run into a
> >major problem.  When "loading Linux" the system hangs up.  this happens
> >both when booting from a floppy and when rebooting from the hard drive.
> >if I run the boot.bat file on the CD the system comes alive and installs
> >the kernel, then procedes to let me configure the system. On reboot
> >things go ary.  I have found several posts on newsgroups about this same
> >problem, but no answers.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: pcmcia ethernet cards

[Glen S Mehn]

I'm using a Netgear FA-410 that I accidentally bought for an old
company. Strangely enough, it's 10/100, none of the dongles have broken
(4 out of 4 in a year), it's supported by pcnet_cs, and seems to be
pretty nice. I use it all over, and it has never compained. Works in
slink and potato.

And it costs less than half of the 3com cards. Cheaper, even than a 3com
replacement dongle (paid $70 for it a while back)

Regards,

glen


Heather wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I should be getting DSL service in a few weeks so I
> > need to get an Ethernet pcmcia card for my Dell
> > Inspiron 7000. Are there any pcmcia ethernet cards
> > particularly recommended?
> 
> I use a Dlink that has been supported for a long time - it
> has been reliable (even under adverse hub conditions) and
> its cord has not been fragile as certain others have.
> 
> "Certain others" having been 3com cards.  After a colleague
> told me he had broken 4 cords in the previous 6 months, I
> wondered if he had a run of bad luck, but others in the office
> reported the cords as fragile also.  (You can guess, I suggested
> we change the standard issue PCMCIA ethercards)  Cords can be
> about half as expensive as the whole card, so fragile cords
> can really rack up the price for some manufacturers.
> 
> > Should I get or avoid a
> > cardbus card?
> 
> If you are hoping to use it in more than one laptop, you should
> *not* get the latest/greatest, because there are not just cardbus, but
> now there is some extension to the standard (called ?? I forget)
> which produces a little more power...
> 
> Such cards can be more featureful, but can also fry both the card
> and a laptop's card-bridge if plugged into an old enough laptop. Brrr.
> 
> My information was from a recent print article on the subject -- sorry
> I can't recall which, but it's one of the laptopper magazines.
> 
> > Does anyone have experience with cards
> > that are ethernet + 56k modems? Are there any problems
> > using 2 ethernet cards in one machine, i.e., will the
> > card + wires both fit?
> 
> I have successfully used more than one ethercard - though they have
> flat specialty cords, not xjacks or in-card ports.  The placement of
> an xjack may cause it to not be shareable with all things, and an in-card
> cord port is tall, so would force it to be type III even if the firmware
> doesn't require that.
> 
> > I'm planning the following setup:
> >
> > - Dell Inspiron 7000, running Debian w/ firewall
> > options compiled into the kernel as the "permanently"
> > connected machine.
> >
> > - On occassion, a second laptop will be networked with
> > the Dell, so it can also use the DSL connection [it
> > runs Windows 95].
> >
> > - Rarely I'll need to bring the Dell with me places
> > and I'll want to use a modem.
> >
> > With this in mind I think I may need 3 cards (please
> > correct me if I'm wrong -- I have never setup a
> > network before). One card for the DSL-Dell connection,
> > 2 cards for the PC-PC connection [one each]. And I
> > guess one of the three card should be an ethernet +
> > modem. Obviously, this means 2 cards in the Dell.
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Richard
> 
> If you get a card type which the Dell and your MSwin box are
> both happy with, which uses flatcords and therefore is happy
> to be type II slot friendly, you'll be happiest.
> 
> If one of the cards in the Dell is for connecting to the DSL,
> when you're one the road you won't need that because the modem
> will be serving the same purpose (outside world connectivity).
> So, that could be one dual-natured card, or you can simply get
> 3 of the ethercard, and one plain modem. For a total of:
> 
> DELL -  slot 0 (ether and/or modem)
>     slot 1 (ether to speak w/mswin-top)
> 
> mswin-top - slot 0 (ether to speak w/DELL)
> 
> plus one cross-connect cord.
> 
> You didn't mention if your DSL codec also doubles as an etherhub.
> Most don't, though my Trancell does.
> 
> -* Heather Stern * Starshine Technical Services * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *-
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Re: 2 questions

[Glen S Mehn]

William:

Had that same machine/adapter/docking station back at my last company.
What I ended up doing (which worked on that one) was applying the Intell
100B driver for the docking station ehternet port. Never had a problem.
Except when I needed network while moving, so I got a pcmcia card to
drop in the slot. I doesn't run under pcmcia card services, just regular
PCI drivers.

And it worked great. I never used those pcmcia slots under linux though. 

glen


William Heindl wrote:
> 
> I've got one old and one new question.  First the new one:
> 
> 1. I'm trying to set up an Epson Color Stylus 740 printer.  I followed
> the HOWTO and got the apsfilter package.  My problem is that this
> package doesn't seem to have a filter for the Epson 740.  I tried the
> only Epson filter that looked promising and it didn't work.  Can
> anyone suggest a filter package that will support this printer.  I
> know I have the hardware working because I can cat ascii to /dev/lp0
> and it prints.
> 
> 2. I asked this before and got no response. I'm hoping it got lost in
> the bit bucket.  I am having trouble with the network going out on my
> IBM 560Z (300 MHz PII).  I am running Debian kernel 2.0.36-3, my
> eternet card is a 3Com 3C574-TX.  I use the computer mainly in a
> docking port which provides 2 extra PCMCIA slots.  The problem occurs
> whether the network card is physically in the laptop or in the docking
> station.
> 
> The symptom was originally that I would boot up in the morning and
> everything would work fine for about 2 hours.  Then the network would
> go away.  This is not a thermal problem, as it never happens under NT
> on this dual-boot machine.  Unplugging and reinserting the card seemed
> to have mixed results.  Often, it seems like the card manager is out
> to lunch, as I get no beeps upon unplugging and replugging.  Sometimes
> after a few minutes the network comes back, but it is very flaky
> thereafter.
> 
> I thought I solved the problem the other day by adding the line:
> 
> PCIC_OPTS="extra_sockets=1"
> 
> to my pcmcia.conf file.  This has improved things, apparently.  I went
> for a day and a half after making this change before it failed again.
> 
> Any ideas?  Should I update my kernel to potato?  Hope I'm not doing
> anything dumb, as I'm new to Linux (but not unix).
> 
> Another possibility would be to figure out how to use the network
> adapter that is built into my docking port.  Is there documentation
> somewhere for such things?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Biff
> 
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Re: Switching pcmcia ethernet cards

[Glen S Mehn]

Check your /etc/init.d/pcmcia info. There's an entry in there for which
card to use for, say, eth0, eth1, etc. I know that some of the 3com
cards need more than pc_net drivers, and that could be a problem there.

Regards,

Glen


Charles Baker wrote:
> 
> I had been running a 3com ethernet card on a slink w/ some potato install on a
> Dell Xpi P133 ST.  I had borrowed the card from a friend, so I bought a card
> for myself, a Linksys EC2T.  The card seems to be recognized just fine by,
> ifconfig shows it has an ip and the other needed configuration.  However, when
> I try to ping my router I get this error message "Sendto: operation not
> allowed."  Is there something else I need to do?
> 
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Re: ThinkPad 356XD

[Glen S Mehn]

I had trouble getting my 760 EL to boot from the disk, and I had to get
a special boot disk image-- which probably has some special kernel
patches in it. What you should generally do is boot with the 'tecra'
kernel. I don't know what the patches are, but boot disk can be found
at:
ftp://kalle.csb.ki.se/pub/ 
The image is: the resc1440.bin-only-aic7xxx

Note I had to click to d/l the image. Their apache seems to not
know that this is a binary file. Also, you'll have to rename it to 8.3
to work with rawrite.

glen


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> 
> I've had the  same problems on a 760EL, never really got it fixed, but use the
> boot from dos so far.  Sorry I can't help more, but work gets in the way of 
> fun.
> Will be interested in anwers.
> 
> >Finally decided to try Debian for the first time, and have run into a
> >major problem.  When "loading Linux" the system hangs up.  this happens
> >both when booting from a floppy and when rebooting from the hard drive.
> >if I run the boot.bat file on the CD the system comes alive and installs
> >the kernel, then procedes to let me configure the system. On reboot
> >things go ary.  I have found several posts on newsgroups about this same
> >problem, but no answers.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: pcmcia ethernet cards

[Glen S Mehn]

I'm using a Netgear FA-410 that I accidentally bought for an old
company. Strangely enough, it's 10/100, none of the dongles have broken
(4 out of 4 in a year), it's supported by pcnet_cs, and seems to be
pretty nice. I use it all over, and it has never compained. Works in
slink and potato.

And it costs less than half of the 3com cards. Cheaper, even than a 3com
replacement dongle (paid $70 for it a while back)

Regards,

glen


Heather wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I should be getting DSL service in a few weeks so I
> > need to get an Ethernet pcmcia card for my Dell
> > Inspiron 7000. Are there any pcmcia ethernet cards
> > particularly recommended?
> 
> I use a Dlink that has been supported for a long time - it
> has been reliable (even under adverse hub conditions) and
> its cord has not been fragile as certain others have.
> 
> "Certain others" having been 3com cards.  After a colleague
> told me he had broken 4 cords in the previous 6 months, I
> wondered if he had a run of bad luck, but others in the office
> reported the cords as fragile also.  (You can guess, I suggested
> we change the standard issue PCMCIA ethercards)  Cords can be
> about half as expensive as the whole card, so fragile cords
> can really rack up the price for some manufacturers.
> 
> > Should I get or avoid a
> > cardbus card?
> 
> If you are hoping to use it in more than one laptop, you should
> *not* get the latest/greatest, because there are not just cardbus, but
> now there is some extension to the standard (called ?? I forget)
> which produces a little more power...
> 
> Such cards can be more featureful, but can also fry both the card
> and a laptop's card-bridge if plugged into an old enough laptop. Brrr.
> 
> My information was from a recent print article on the subject -- sorry
> I can't recall which, but it's one of the laptopper magazines.
> 
> > Does anyone have experience with cards
> > that are ethernet + 56k modems? Are there any problems
> > using 2 ethernet cards in one machine, i.e., will the
> > card + wires both fit?
> 
> I have successfully used more than one ethercard - though they have
> flat specialty cords, not xjacks or in-card ports.  The placement of
> an xjack may cause it to not be shareable with all things, and an in-card
> cord port is tall, so would force it to be type III even if the firmware
> doesn't require that.
> 
> > I'm planning the following setup:
> >
> > - Dell Inspiron 7000, running Debian w/ firewall
> > options compiled into the kernel as the "permanently"
> > connected machine.
> >
> > - On occassion, a second laptop will be networked with
> > the Dell, so it can also use the DSL connection [it
> > runs Windows 95].
> >
> > - Rarely I'll need to bring the Dell with me places
> > and I'll want to use a modem.
> >
> > With this in mind I think I may need 3 cards (please
> > correct me if I'm wrong -- I have never setup a
> > network before). One card for the DSL-Dell connection,
> > 2 cards for the PC-PC connection [one each]. And I
> > guess one of the three card should be an ethernet +
> > modem. Obviously, this means 2 cards in the Dell.
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Richard
> 
> If you get a card type which the Dell and your MSwin box are
> both happy with, which uses flatcords and therefore is happy
> to be type II slot friendly, you'll be happiest.
> 
> If one of the cards in the Dell is for connecting to the DSL,
> when you're one the road you won't need that because the modem
> will be serving the same purpose (outside world connectivity).
> So, that could be one dual-natured card, or you can simply get
> 3 of the ethercard, and one plain modem. For a total of:
> 
> DELL -  slot 0 (ether and/or modem)
>     slot 1 (ether to speak w/mswin-top)
> 
> mswin-top - slot 0 (ether to speak w/DELL)
> 
> plus one cross-connect cord.
> 
> You didn't mention if your DSL codec also doubles as an etherhub.
> Most don't, though my Trancell does.
> 
> -* Heather Stern * Starshine Technical Services * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *-
> 
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RE: Is it possible to use Carbus NIC on kernel 2.4.12 without pcmcia-modules?

[Glen S Mehn]

you'll also need the pcmcia-cs package installed, for the utilities that it
comes with (cardctl, cardmgr, etc)



-Original Message-
From: Osamu Aoki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:46 AM
To: Kazuhiko Uebayashi
Cc: Jeff; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use Carbus NIC on kernel 2.4.12 without
pcmcia-modules?


On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 05:55:43PM +0900, Kazuhiko Uebayashi wrote:
> And If so, What shoud I do to use CardBus NIC?
In order to enable card service on 2.4 kernel, you need to either
recompile or load-up modules since it is there already.

Reboot the system after putting 2 lines in /etc/modules may be a good idea.

isa-pnp
yenta_socket

See; http://www.aokiconsulting.com/quick/ch-kernel.html#s-kernel-mod

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RE: sound problems IBM TP560

[Glen S Mehn]

http://www.linux-laptop.net/ibm.html

look for the 560 (or E, or X, or whatever)

glen


-Original Message-
From: Damon McGraw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:01 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: sound problems IBM TP560


I have a IBM ThinkPad 560 (It's old, but it still works!). I've gotten
debian installed and running nicely (including X), but I can't seem to
get the sound to work. I'm pretty sure it uses the sb.o module, but I
keep getting a "device or resource busy" messages so I figure the irq
or io address is wrong.

Anybody have any luck with this, or is there a tool in potato (old
laptops like old distos ;) that might help?

Thanks in advance,
Damon


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RE: Recognizing Kernel Update to 2.4.12

[Glen S Mehn]

Hey doc: I think we were all assuming a slightly higher level of linux-ness
than you've got.

I'd highly, highly suggest that you read all the docs online before you go
into kernel compilation, particularly the ones about lilo (or grub) and
booting to an alternate kernel-- you'll really want to be able to boot if
you forget to include, say, IDE support, or your filesystem support or
something like that.

So, it looks like you've done some sort of 'apt-get install
kernel-source-2.4.somethingorother', or downloaded the source from
kernel.org, or somewhere else.

You need to untar the source:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# tar -xvzf 

a .gz extension means it's been compressed with gzip. A tar extention means
that the file is part of a unix Tape ARchive. A tgz extension means it's a
tar archive that's been compressed with gzip.

After that, change the directory name to 'linux', so that your uncompressed,
untarred sources are in /usr/src/linux:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# mv  linux

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# cd linux

Now, read the README files in there. It's going to say some stuff about
make, make modules, make modules_install--- note that debian and make-kpkg
does a bunch of this for you. What you NEED to do, however, is one of:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# make config
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# make menuconfig
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# make xconfig

config is plain text, and kind of annoying, but it always works. menuconfig
is ncurses-based (you'll need the libncurses5-dev package), and sort of like
the debian install. xconfig will only work if you have x running, but it's
nice if you like to use your mouse.

go through all the menus. Read the helpfiles. RTFM. Have a web browser
handy.

Then, finally:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# make-kpkg clean
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# make-kpkg --revision= kernel_image
cd ..
dpkg --install kernel-image-2.4.12-.deb

double, no, triplecheck that lilo is pointing to a good kernel for the
LinuxOLD tag. Run lilo again, just to be sure. Reboot.

RTFM. YMMV. This could render your system unbootable, don't cry to me if it
does, just fix it ;>

Good luck.

glen


-Original Message-
From: eDoc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 09:12 AM
To: Glen Mehn; debian-user@lists.debian.org;
debian-laptop@lists.debian.org; progeny-debian@lists.progeny.com
Subject: Recognizing Kernel Update to 2.4.12


> you need to, as in the documentation, run make-kpkg from the top-level
kernel
> directory, which will depend on where you put your kernel source. This is
typically
> either /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/kernel-source-
> glen

kernel-source?  You mean "linux-2.4.12.tar.gz?

Or do you mean "linux-2.4.12.gz"?

"linux-2.4.12.tar.gz" is in /usr/src and I tried to run "make-kpkg" there.
No go.

Neither "linux-2.4.12.gz" or "kernel-source-2.4.12" exist according to
"find -name linux-2.4.12*" and "find -name kernel-source-2.4.12*" issued
from /
This despite following all of the suggested commands from this list and
others to
cause it to be created (e.g. "tar -xvvzf linux-2.4.12.tar.gz") from docs or
man or
whatever resource I found that.

Somewhere folks are assuming that I am taking a step that they have not
explicitly stated and thus the creation of the critical kernel-source in the
necessary format in the necessary location is not happening.

As always I have perused man, docs, help, articles and posts, and every
other
online resource I can find.  All assume things not explicitly stated or use
terminology I do not as-of-yet understand fully.

Help?

Thanks!  Doc

RE: Kernel compilation problems

[Glen S Mehn]

Did you compile your filesystem driver(s) into the kernel? ext2, reiserfs,
xfs, depending on what you installed with?

What's your /etc/fstab read?

under fs type, is it compiled in? (the non-booting kernel)

glen


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 09:23 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Kernel compilation problems


Hello,

recently I bought a Toshiba Portege 3020CT notebook and installed
Debian  Potato on it.

It worked.

I installed the kernel-source-2.2.19 package and recompiled the kernel
to support APM and some other things.

It still worked.

Then I wanted to use DHCP, but it didn't work and after reading some
documentation I tried to enable some kernel options (forgot which, but
I was probably too eager and enabled/disabled some other options as
well).

Now the new kernel wouldn't boot. And I haven't got any idea what made
the diffrence (I have tried a lot changes without succes).

During the booting of the new kernel I end up with this error message:

   request_module[block-mojor-3]: Root fs not mounted
   VFS: Cannot open root device 03:03
   Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03

Does anybody have some ideas?

The laptop is not connected to the network at the moment, but it will
be later (this still works) and I will be able to post some log files
if needed.

I still have an old, working kernel so I'm not completely lost.

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RE: Network connection

[Glen S Mehn]

as I understand it, pcmcia-card services (pcmcia network card?) starts up
with the presence of the card itself rather than the dongle/ethernet
connection, so if you have it configured (per debian) in
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts, it'll start with the presence of a network card.

glen

-Original Message-
From: Fredrik Jagenheim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fredrik
Jagenheim
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:53 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Network connection


Hello,

How do I make eth0 configure itself automatically whenever a network
cable is inserted? Or otherwise configure the network at the request
of a user?

My laptop is usually connected to a DHCP LAN, either at home or at
work. However, I sometimes use it outside this environement and have
no network cable attached. If I have my eth0 configured to set itself
up automatically in /etc/networks/devices/eth0 it takes several
minutes for it to boot up and time out whenever pump can't reach the
DHCP server... Thus I have configured it so it won't start
automatically, and run 'sudo ifup eth0' whenever I access the net.

This used to work like a charm, until I installed the KDE2 environment
and all the sudden my girlfriend could use the laptop too. :)

So, every time she boots it I have to go over there and start eth0 for
her and it's becoming a PITA. I don't want to give her neither root or
sudo (not even if I restrict the sudo to the 'ifup' command). I've
pondered if I should make a suided program that runs ifup and put an
icon on the desktop she could click, but that seems like a hassle too.

Is there a better way to this? Some kind of notification that a
network cable has been inserted and then the device is configured
directly from there?

TIA
//Humming


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RE: Intel EPro 100 Weirdness

[Glen S Mehn]

Did you try ibm's website, to see if there's either a bios upgrade for the
thinkpad/a firmware upgrade to the modem/nic chipset itself?

that's where I'd look next...

Another debugging thought might be to swap the cards out and see who gets
what errrors-- separate the hardware from the software.

glen


-Original Message-
From: Matt Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:54 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Intel EPro 100 Weirdness


Hi all,
I know this is more of a networking issue, but I'm thoroughly stumped 
and
don't know where to turn anymore.
My friend and I both bought IBM a21p laptops, with comparable memory and
such, the major difference being that I bought the internal NIC/modem card
with mine, and he bought his later.  After dumping some information from the
laptops, and using Mr Becker's tools, the only major difference seems to be
rev number for both of the cards (his is 12, mine is 9).  My card shows the
following :
00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev
09)
Subsystem: Intel Corporation: Unknown device 2408
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
SERR-  [disabled] [size=1M]
Capabilities: 

I believe his is the same, minus the rev difference.  We're both running
Debian Unstable, we're both up to date, we're both running 2.4 kernels.  As
I'll go into further down, we can even move the HD around and test with my
hardware.

Currently, he's seeing the following behavior:
1)  With a valid, routable static IP
He can assign the IP to the card, he can ping and connect to anything on the
subnet, but the gateway (a cable modem at home, a linux box at work) doesn't
respond to any connection.
2)  With a NAT'd, static IP
He assigns 192.168.1.66 to his card, he can ping everything locally, and the
NAT server (a debian box) will connect him to the outside world, somewhat
properly.  The NAT server is broken somehow in a different way where his and
my linux boxes get weird errors with NAT (it's like the server becomes
congested over time.  I'm using the debian NAT packages).  Regardless, his
NIC performs like mine does.  We can get some data for a while, then it
dies,
but he can still connect to the outside world, briefly.
3)  With any IP configuration under windows
The NIC works perfectly.

I can get my card to work fine pretty much everywhere minus behind his NAT
server.  I know the IPs are valid because we can configure his debian
install
on his HD, plug it into my machine, and it works fine.  We've done several
tests, mainly involving recompiling the kernel, making sure the drivers
work,
then swapping hardware.

We've tried Intel's latest drivers as well, to no avail.  We've tried using
2.2 kernels.

I'm at a loss to explain his errors.  If you have any suggestions (like
a better place to post this), I would greatly appreciate them.

Thanks,
Matt Reynolds


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RE: Intel EPro 100 Weirdness

[Glen S Mehn]

They should have some flashable nvram, though... which couldn't hurt... Or
it could even be a really odd bad card-- I've had cards go bad that really
aren't apparent until you swap them out, and -presto- it's all better.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:13 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Intel EPro 100 Weirdness


On Monday 05 November 2001 02:08 pm, Glen S Mehn wrote:
> Did you try ibm's website, to see if there's either a bios upgrade for the
> thinkpad/a firmware upgrade to the modem/nic chipset itself?
>
> that's where I'd look next...

Suggested this to him, waiting on an answer :)

> Another debugging thought might be to swap the cards out and see who gets
> what errrors-- separate the hardware from the software.
>
> glen

Well, the cards are, literally, internal little daughterboards.  They have a
slot your remove on the bottom of the laptop, you pop it out, etc.  We've
been simply removing the internal HDs and moving them from computer to
computer.

Doing this, we've figured out that his configuration works fine with my
hardware, but not his, and vice versa.  His physical hardware seems to be
the
problem.

But, yeah, I guess we could swap cards as well.  I'll try this next time I
see him.

Thanks,
Matt Reynolds


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RE: kernel & PCMCIA compilation

[Glen S Mehn]

I think that 'make config' does the same thing as ./configure.

Maybe the rest of the folks on the list see that it works, and haven't
needed to get into the mechanics behind it? I've done this for about a dozen
different styles of laptops, NICs, etc, and it seems to workforme...

glen


-Original Message-
From: Harry Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 01:45 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: kernel & PCMCIA compilation

Hmm... this is my point really. I've read those notes too and there's
no instruction to run "configure" anywhere that I can see - just
make-dpkg on the unconfigured downloaded pcmcia source! There is
however an option to "make config" in the root of the pcmcia source
tree - this may be a debian thing(?)  In fact, could it be that this
is what you do if the default answers you would get from running
"configure" aren't what you want? I know standard configure script
defaults to cardbus support, which my laptop certainly doesn't have.

I'm a bit suprised that this place wasn't populated by guru's ready to
tell me how simple I am and point me in the right direction, (nothing
antagonistic intended in that remark - I'm extremely grateful for any
replies offered  :)

H.


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RE: Xfree downgrade

[Glen S Mehn]

looks to me like they're in all 3 versions...

http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xserver-svga&;
searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all

apt-get install xserver-

glen

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Frencham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 01:11 AM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Fw: Xfree downgrade


 It's a Samsung SENS800 laptop, with a 1 MB Cirrus Logic 7543 PCI graphics
 card.

 I noticed the packages are under 'stable', is there any way I can use
 apt-get to grab them without changing my sources.list?

(sorry if this was sent twice, last time I sent it in HTML by mistake)

 Daniel

 - Original Message -
 From: "Adam C Powell IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:47 AM
 Subject: Re: Xfree downgrade


 > Daniel Frencham wrote:
 >
 > > I'm using Woody on my laptop, and have been trying to get X to work.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > I just found out that my video card isn't supported under Xfree 4.x
 > > only xfree 3.x.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > Is there anyway I can install xfree86 3.3.1 under woody ?
 > >
 > There should be v3 X servers, such as xserver-svga.  Can you get and
 > install that, or whatever server is approapriate for your laptop?  (What
 > kind of laptop, what kind of video?)
 >
 > The short answer is yes, XFree 3.x servers are available under
 > woody/sid, for just this reason.
 >
 > Zeen,
 > --
 >
 > -Adam P.
 >




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RE: IBM A Series, Mod. 26523VG

[Glen S Mehn]

the one used in the T-20/T-21/T-22 is an intel EEpro100b chipset, which
works flawlessly with linux. FWIW. Ifyou can get your hands on a 'doze box
(check at a local retailer?) have a look in the network control panel and
see what it's listed as.

-g

-Original Message-
From: Derek Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 01:20 PM
To: Debian Italian
Subject: Re: IBM A Series, Mod. 26523VG


On November 8, 2001 07:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   I'm about to order an IBM A Series, model 26523VG. My main
>   concern is on the Ethernet adaptor that I've never heard about:
>   Communication Daughter Card (CDC)
>   Does anybody knows any problem related to this card?

Sounds like a dual function card.  I use one, also IBM, which
contains a 14.4Kbps modem (needless to say, I don't use this 'child'
anymore) and a 10Mbps ethernet child which I use all the time.  Not a
big deal - I used to use this in my IBM 486 laptop which was a huge
pain to get working in Linux, but the one thing that was really 'plug
and play' was the PCMCIA card.

derek


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RE: debianboot reiserfs setup disks?

[Glen S Mehn]

try these:

http://tinyplanet.ca/pubs/debian/html/burning.html

it's only 3 disks, but I did my laptop on them. They're reiser.

glen


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RE: dell 4000

[Glen S Mehn]

only problems might be:

if you mess up with lilo, and install it in the wrong place, you could
corrupt the system so that the win system may be unbootable. There's
documentation in the lilo docs about this.

You could either use debian or redhat to boot with, but I'd think that you'd
want to be really careful to always keep youre /etc/lilo.conf (or
/etc/grub.conf, if you're using grub as a boot loader) in sync, and/or make
sure you never ever run lilo/grub from one or the other place.

IIRC, you can only have 7 total partitions: 3 primary, and 4 logical (or is
it the other way around?), so you may have to lt youre hda4 be one big
partition for debian.

Though I've seen many many os' on one computer before, and managed with
lilo. I once had .98 linux, doc/win31, os/2 on the same machine, so...

glen


-Original Message-
From: Ryan Elmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 02:04 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: dell 4000


Hi everybody...I am new to the mailing list and debian, so please excuse
my ignorance.  I am currently running a dell inspiron 4000 with windows me
and red hat 7.1, but I would love to add debian!  I was wondering if there
are any problems that I should expect or may encounter by trying to add
debian as a third option.  I'm not asking from the hardware compatibility
side, but rather from the perspective of just having three operating
systems to the machine.  Here is the partition table and what I plan to
do:

NameFlagsPartition type  FS Type [label]   Size(MB)
---
hda2 Primarylinux ext2  [/boot]  24.68
Unusable 57.58
hda1Boot LogicalWin95 FAT32 (LBA)  3767.71
hda4 PrimaryWin95 FAT32 (LBA [P^]c]2097.45
hda5 LogicalLinux ext2  [/usr ]2097.45
hda6 LogicalLinux ext2  [/]1579.26
hda7 LogicalLinux Swap   74.03
 LogicalFree Space  444.17

I plan on deleting hda4 and partitioning it into /usr, /home, and root for
Debian.  By doing this, will I create problems by trying to boot the 3
operating systems?  I am assuming that Debian will control the boot
process and allow me to enter red hat or windows...is this correct?  Any
potential problems and/or suggestions are very much appreciated.   Thanks
in advance,

Ryan Elmore

Penn State - Dept of Statistics


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RE: internet connection

[Glen S Mehn]

Title: Message



can 
you post the contents of your /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, netstat -rn (before you 
route del defalut; route add default gw x.x.x.x) to the 
list?
 
-g

  -Original Message-From: Axel Minck 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:08 
  AMTo: debian-laptop@lists.debian.orgSubject: internet 
  connection
  Hi,
   
  I am using Debian 
  Potato on a Thinkpad T20.
  I have a PCMCIA 
  network card and my file network.opts is correctly 
  configured.
  Yet, i can't go 
  out of my local network and i have to type : "rout del default" and "route add 
  default gw xxx.xx.x.x" each time i reboot the system.
  Is there any file 
  to modify in order to avoid typing these commands each time 
  ?
  Thanks for your 
  help
   
  Axel

RE: Digital camera

[Glen S Mehn]

I LOVE my canon camera, and the A10 is better than mine.

I'd highly suggest the PC Card CF reader. I think I paid $17 for mine, and
it's about as fast as my hard drive.

Now, that's not with gPhoto or anything like that, but all you want is to
get the photos on your omnibook no?

-g

-Original Message-
From: Gabor FLEISCHER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:36 AM
To: Debian Laptop List
Subject: Digital camera


Hi!

I'd like to buy a digital camera and be able to use it with my HP OmniBook
XE3 with debian. What _low_ price camrea do you suggest?
I'd prefer CompactFlash storage, and it would be the best if it would also
work with USB. I was thinking about these cameras so far:

Canon A10
HP PhotoSmart 318 or 612
Pentax El-100
maybe Olympus C-1 or C-100

Anybody have experience with some of these?

Floxi


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RE: dell 4000

[Glen S Mehn]

only problems might be:

if you mess up with lilo, and install it in the wrong place, you could
corrupt the system so that the win system may be unbootable. There's
documentation in the lilo docs about this.

You could either use debian or redhat to boot with, but I'd think that you'd
want to be really careful to always keep youre /etc/lilo.conf (or
/etc/grub.conf, if you're using grub as a boot loader) in sync, and/or make
sure you never ever run lilo/grub from one or the other place.

IIRC, you can only have 7 total partitions: 3 primary, and 4 logical (or is
it the other way around?), so you may have to lt youre hda4 be one big
partition for debian.

Though I've seen many many os' on one computer before, and managed with
lilo. I once had .98 linux, doc/win31, os/2 on the same machine, so...

glen


-Original Message-
From: Ryan Elmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 02:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: dell 4000


Hi everybody...I am new to the mailing list and debian, so please excuse
my ignorance.  I am currently running a dell inspiron 4000 with windows me
and red hat 7.1, but I would love to add debian!  I was wondering if there
are any problems that I should expect or may encounter by trying to add
debian as a third option.  I'm not asking from the hardware compatibility
side, but rather from the perspective of just having three operating
systems to the machine.  Here is the partition table and what I plan to
do:

NameFlagsPartition type  FS Type [label]   Size(MB)
---
hda2 Primarylinux ext2  [/boot]  24.68
Unusable 57.58
hda1Boot LogicalWin95 FAT32 (LBA)  3767.71
hda4 PrimaryWin95 FAT32 (LBA [P^]c]2097.45
hda5 LogicalLinux ext2  [/usr ]2097.45
hda6 LogicalLinux ext2  [/]1579.26
hda7 LogicalLinux Swap   74.03
 LogicalFree Space  444.17

I plan on deleting hda4 and partitioning it into /usr, /home, and root for
Debian.  By doing this, will I create problems by trying to boot the 3
operating systems?  I am assuming that Debian will control the boot
process and allow me to enter red hat or windows...is this correct?  Any
potential problems and/or suggestions are very much appreciated.   Thanks
in advance,

Ryan Elmore

Penn State - Dept of Statistics


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RE: Digital camera

[Glen S Mehn]

I LOVE my canon camera, and the A10 is better than mine.

I'd highly suggest the PC Card CF reader. I think I paid $17 for mine, and
it's about as fast as my hard drive.

Now, that's not with gPhoto or anything like that, but all you want is to
get the photos on your omnibook no?

-g

-Original Message-
From: Gabor FLEISCHER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:36 AM
To: Debian Laptop List
Subject: Digital camera


Hi!

I'd like to buy a digital camera and be able to use it with my HP OmniBook
XE3 with debian. What _low_ price camrea do you suggest?
I'd prefer CompactFlash storage, and it would be the best if it would also
work with USB. I was thinking about these cameras so far:

Canon A10
HP PhotoSmart 318 or 612
Pentax El-100
maybe Olympus C-1 or C-100

Anybody have experience with some of these?

Floxi


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