alt-get update via ADSL from command line?
Gee, Linux has a way to make me feel real dumb ... I am stuck at the command line due to an X conflict. I need to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade for Debian Unstable to see if that resolves things on my OmniBook 4100. (Or should I grab a newer version of Linux instead?) Can someone suggest what generic Linux utility included with 2.4.14 and/or Debian Unstable will cause my laptop to recognize the Verizon-Westell ADSL modem? (I am running through a 3Com 589c pcmcia nic, if that is relevant.) This all worked fine when I had access to X and could run Mozilla -- it managed the interface and then I worked from the command line. Thanks! doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alt-get update via ADSL from command line?
Thanks for the suggestions. In netween all of the other seasonal craziness I have tried to find something I can use to no avail. When I had access to X I would just turn Mozilla on and then return to the command-line to run apt-get. Once I load Linux-Debian with the "single" modifier I don't find "lynx" anywhere and I cannot run apt-get unless I am able to run something that provides minimal recognition of the link between my laptop, the pcmcia nic, and the external ADSL box. Is there no command-line app provided with Linux 2.4.14 or Debian Unstable? Thanks! Doc > > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 17:21, Doc wrote: > > > Gee, Linux has a way to make me feel real dumb ... > > > > > > I am stuck at the command line due to an X conflict. I need to > > > run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade for Debian Unstable to > > > see if that resolves things on my OmniBook 4100. (Or should > > > I grab a newer version of Linux instead?) > > > > > > Can someone suggest what generic Linux utility included with > > > 2.4.14 and/or Debian Unstable will cause my laptop to > > > recognize the Verizon-Westell ADSL modem? > > > > > > (I am running through a 3Com 589c pcmcia nic, if that is > > > relevant.) > > > > > > This all worked fine when I had access to X and could run > > > Mozilla -- it managed the interface and then I worked from > > > the command line. > > > > > > Thanks! doc > > > > > Doc, > > > > If I understand you, your ADSL provider makes you login through a Web > > interface. If that's the case, you might try the command-line web > > browsers "links" or "lynx." apt-get install should get you either one. I > > think "links" is a little more flexible. > > > > Tony > > links has the advantage of looking a little more like a normal layout, it > makes some attempt towards tabling and frames. > > I'm personally fond of lynx-ssl though, and I set up metamail to use zgv > for images in text mode. It doesn't make lynx intermix graphics, but with > the options set right, I can select the graphic and see what it looks like, > which might be handy if they have a screen shot or something. > > I dunno if links has any means to hook up with metamail. > > Some of my friends are very pleased with w3m though. > > All 3 of them *can* support SSL, but I don't remember if they're all > available that way from the debian system. > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian 2.2.4 & 3.?-woody -- Heads Up?
Ordered Debian (2.2.4-i386-1) & Debian (3.?-woody-1) CD's from www.linux-cd.com yesterday. Got tired of trying to work around old Progeny debris as I upgraded my laptop. Any heads-up for me when these things arrive in a couple of days? My intent is to format the HDD to clean things up -- is there a preferred method to the old dos "format c:" method? My plan is to start by loading 2.2.4 in hopes that it will boot and operate cleanly, recognizing my pcmcia nic, then I'll fire up Mozilla. If all goes well I should be able to access the Internet via the external ADSL box for apt-get purposes and retreat to the CD if I get in too much trouble! The Woody CD is there in case 2.2.4 doesn't have the necessary drivers for my OmniBook 4100 laptop. Helpful suggestions are welcomed! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian - X - KDE
Ok, got the Debian Official Binary-i386 Version 2.2._r4 Disk 1 CD today and proceeded to load it up on my OmniBook. Everything seemed to go well and my pcmcia nic fired up and connected with my ADSL box. I also got the Binary-i386 3? Pre-BETA Disk one, in case I needed a newer driver or something. I have Progeny and Stormix, as well as a couple of CD's that came with Linux mags. QUESTION: How do I get KDE working, please? I tried "apt-get install kde" with "deb http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2" in sources.list It grabbed some part of KDE and started to install it but then spit up due to the absence of the following: /usr/lib/libkhelpcenter.so.1 /usr/lib/libkrunapplet.so.1 /usr/lib/libnaughtyapplet.so.1 /usr/lib/libnsplugin.so.1 I don't have any sort of X-windows running yet. I am guessing I said no or yes or default to something in the setup that resulted in no X. Help? Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Woody using IBM EtherJet PCMCIA
Why not acquire a $5. Debian CD and install from it? It will be handy to have in any case. When I load Debian 2.2 or 2.4 it asks about loading the drivers for the PCMCIA cards and I forget if both or just the 2.4 does the automagic thing and finds the right one. Now if only I can get X-windows to behave on my HP OmniBook 4100 g. Have fun! Doc > I have a ThinkPad 760CD with an IBM EtherJet PCMCIA. In the past I have > run Slackware, and been able to compile the pcmcia-cs package and > cs89x0_cs driver... but this is always after installation from CD. > > I would like to switch my laptop over to woody (to match my desktop PC), > but this means installing over the LAN. Can anyone offer advice on the > best/easiest way to get the cs89x0_cs.o module loaded so that I can do > this? > > I do have a copy of cs89x0_cs.o, which was compiled against > pcmcia-cs-3.1.31 and linux-2.2.20... and I have information on how to > modify the PCMCIA configuration files... but I'm not clear on how to add > that module to the system after bootup so that it will see the card. > > I'm installing from the standard rescue and boot floppies, plus > 'drivers.tgz' -- this machine's CDROM drive is not bootable. > > Thanks in advance. > > graham > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IRQ Conflicts ?
Al: What sound card are you runing, please? I am so far unable to get my CS4237B card recognized. (That is what the HP site says is in it.) I am also running into video conflicts on my 4100. Did you have to do anything special? (I have the 14" LCD.) Thanks! doc > I've also got an HP Omnibook 4150 running the latest Red Hat > (I think it's 2.4.6, maybe 7). > > Sorry if this sounds like an advertisement; it's not meant > to. Just wanted to clarify that 2.4 Linux on Laptops is > *not* an oxymoron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP Omnibook 4100 was Re: IRQ Conflicts ?
Rob, Your post is precisely what these lists are for and gives me some very helpful ideas! Thanks! I will try a few things to emulate what you did and report back as to what happens. Thanks again! doc > On Friday 11 January 2002 03:17 pm, Doc wrote: > > Al: > > > >What sound card are you runing, please? I am so far unable > > to get my CS4237B card recognized. (That is what the HP site > > says is in it.) > > I too, have an Omnibook 4100 (2.4.8 kernel) with that same sound chip, and > have spent a few hours on this recently to varying degrees of success. > I cheated a bit and installed sndconfig. > I had to play with the manual settings for the sound chip in the BIOS before > I got to hear Linus yapping out my speakers (manually clearing out > modules.conf and rmmod'ing after each failed attempt helped). On this kernel > I've been able to get it to use the sb module - *not* the CS42xx module. SOX > output is fine...crisp and clear so far. However, OSS and alsa have been > total crap...at least as far as the xmms outputs go. When I have more time to > play, I'll work more on those. According to the Omnibook 4100 page I came > across, http://www.urbaczewski.com/omnibooklinux.htm , commercial OSS drivers > were necessary to get it running, at least for the 2.2.16 kernel with Suse > 7.0. I'd like to try and avoid that if possible. > > >I am also running into video conflicts on my 4100. Did you > > have to do anything special? (I have the 14" LCD.) > > I have the 13.3" display here, using XFree 4.1.0. XFree's config found the > Neomagic video without a problem. I set it up for a Generic Laptop Display, > 1024x768 and it's got Blackbox looking pretty sharp. Previously, I'd had it > setup for the Generic Laptop Display, 800x600 and it looked like utter > garbage...1024x768 was the way to go for me. > Hope this is appropriate, and helps. I've been reading this list for some > time now, but not posted before. > > -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
alt-get update via ADSL from command line?
Gee, Linux has a way to make me feel real dumb ... I am stuck at the command line due to an X conflict. I need to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade for Debian Unstable to see if that resolves things on my OmniBook 4100. (Or should I grab a newer version of Linux instead?) Can someone suggest what generic Linux utility included with 2.4.14 and/or Debian Unstable will cause my laptop to recognize the Verizon-Westell ADSL modem? (I am running through a 3Com 589c pcmcia nic, if that is relevant.) This all worked fine when I had access to X and could run Mozilla -- it managed the interface and then I worked from the command line. Thanks! doc
Re: alt-get update via ADSL from command line?
Thanks for the suggestions. In netween all of the other seasonal craziness I have tried to find something I can use to no avail. When I had access to X I would just turn Mozilla on and then return to the command-line to run apt-get. Once I load Linux-Debian with the "single" modifier I don't find "lynx" anywhere and I cannot run apt-get unless I am able to run something that provides minimal recognition of the link between my laptop, the pcmcia nic, and the external ADSL box. Is there no command-line app provided with Linux 2.4.14 or Debian Unstable? Thanks! Doc > > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 17:21, Doc wrote: > > > Gee, Linux has a way to make me feel real dumb ... > > > > > > I am stuck at the command line due to an X conflict. I need to > > > run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade for Debian Unstable to > > > see if that resolves things on my OmniBook 4100. (Or should > > > I grab a newer version of Linux instead?) > > > > > > Can someone suggest what generic Linux utility included with > > > 2.4.14 and/or Debian Unstable will cause my laptop to > > > recognize the Verizon-Westell ADSL modem? > > > > > > (I am running through a 3Com 589c pcmcia nic, if that is > > > relevant.) > > > > > > This all worked fine when I had access to X and could run > > > Mozilla -- it managed the interface and then I worked from > > > the command line. > > > > > > Thanks! doc > > > > > Doc, > > > > If I understand you, your ADSL provider makes you login through a Web > > interface. If that's the case, you might try the command-line web > > browsers "links" or "lynx." apt-get install should get you either one. I > > think "links" is a little more flexible. > > > > Tony > > links has the advantage of looking a little more like a normal layout, it > makes some attempt towards tabling and frames. > > I'm personally fond of lynx-ssl though, and I set up metamail to use zgv > for images in text mode. It doesn't make lynx intermix graphics, but with > the options set right, I can select the graphic and see what it looks like, > which might be handy if they have a screen shot or something. > > I dunno if links has any means to hook up with metamail. > > Some of my friends are very pleased with w3m though. > > All 3 of them *can* support SSL, but I don't remember if they're all > available that way from the debian system. > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Debian 2.2.4 & 3.?-woody -- Heads Up?
Ordered Debian (2.2.4-i386-1) & Debian (3.?-woody-1) CD's from www.linux-cd.com yesterday. Got tired of trying to work around old Progeny debris as I upgraded my laptop. Any heads-up for me when these things arrive in a couple of days? My intent is to format the HDD to clean things up -- is there a preferred method to the old dos "format c:" method? My plan is to start by loading 2.2.4 in hopes that it will boot and operate cleanly, recognizing my pcmcia nic, then I'll fire up Mozilla. If all goes well I should be able to access the Internet via the external ADSL box for apt-get purposes and retreat to the CD if I get in too much trouble! The Woody CD is there in case 2.2.4 doesn't have the necessary drivers for my OmniBook 4100 laptop. Helpful suggestions are welcomed! Doc
Debian - X - KDE
Ok, got the Debian Official Binary-i386 Version 2.2._r4 Disk 1 CD today and proceeded to load it up on my OmniBook. Everything seemed to go well and my pcmcia nic fired up and connected with my ADSL box. I also got the Binary-i386 3? Pre-BETA Disk one, in case I needed a newer driver or something. I have Progeny and Stormix, as well as a couple of CD's that came with Linux mags. QUESTION: How do I get KDE working, please? I tried "apt-get install kde" with "deb http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2" in sources.list It grabbed some part of KDE and started to install it but then spit up due to the absence of the following: /usr/lib/libkhelpcenter.so.1 /usr/lib/libkrunapplet.so.1 /usr/lib/libnaughtyapplet.so.1 /usr/lib/libnsplugin.so.1 I don't have any sort of X-windows running yet. I am guessing I said no or yes or default to something in the setup that resulted in no X. Help? Thanks! Doc
Re: Installing Woody using IBM EtherJet PCMCIA
Why not acquire a $5. Debian CD and install from it? It will be handy to have in any case. When I load Debian 2.2 or 2.4 it asks about loading the drivers for the PCMCIA cards and I forget if both or just the 2.4 does the automagic thing and finds the right one. Now if only I can get X-windows to behave on my HP OmniBook 4100 g. Have fun! Doc > I have a ThinkPad 760CD with an IBM EtherJet PCMCIA. In the past I have > run Slackware, and been able to compile the pcmcia-cs package and > cs89x0_cs driver... but this is always after installation from CD. > > I would like to switch my laptop over to woody (to match my desktop PC), > but this means installing over the LAN. Can anyone offer advice on the > best/easiest way to get the cs89x0_cs.o module loaded so that I can do > this? > > I do have a copy of cs89x0_cs.o, which was compiled against > pcmcia-cs-3.1.31 and linux-2.2.20... and I have information on how to > modify the PCMCIA configuration files... but I'm not clear on how to add > that module to the system after bootup so that it will see the card. > > I'm installing from the standard rescue and boot floppies, plus > 'drivers.tgz' -- this machine's CDROM drive is not bootable. > > Thanks in advance. > > graham > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: IRQ Conflicts ?
Al: What sound card are you runing, please? I am so far unable to get my CS4237B card recognized. (That is what the HP site says is in it.) I am also running into video conflicts on my 4100. Did you have to do anything special? (I have the 14" LCD.) Thanks! doc > I've also got an HP Omnibook 4150 running the latest Red Hat > (I think it's 2.4.6, maybe 7). > > Sorry if this sounds like an advertisement; it's not meant > to. Just wanted to clarify that 2.4 Linux on Laptops is > *not* an oxymoron
Re: HP Omnibook 4100 was Re: IRQ Conflicts ?
Rob, Your post is precisely what these lists are for and gives me some very helpful ideas! Thanks! I will try a few things to emulate what you did and report back as to what happens. Thanks again! doc > On Friday 11 January 2002 03:17 pm, Doc wrote: > > Al: > > > >What sound card are you runing, please? I am so far unable > > to get my CS4237B card recognized. (That is what the HP site > > says is in it.) > > I too, have an Omnibook 4100 (2.4.8 kernel) with that same sound chip, and > have spent a few hours on this recently to varying degrees of success. > I cheated a bit and installed sndconfig. > I had to play with the manual settings for the sound chip in the BIOS before > I got to hear Linus yapping out my speakers (manually clearing out > modules.conf and rmmod'ing after each failed attempt helped). On this kernel > I've been able to get it to use the sb module - *not* the CS42xx module. SOX > output is fine...crisp and clear so far. However, OSS and alsa have been > total crap...at least as far as the xmms outputs go. When I have more time to > play, I'll work more on those. According to the Omnibook 4100 page I came > across, http://www.urbaczewski.com/omnibooklinux.htm , commercial OSS drivers > were necessary to get it running, at least for the 2.2.16 kernel with Suse > 7.0. I'd like to try and avoid that if possible. > > >I am also running into video conflicts on my 4100. Did you > > have to do anything special? (I have the 14" LCD.) > > I have the 13.3" display here, using XFree 4.1.0. XFree's config found the > Neomagic video without a problem. I set it up for a Generic Laptop Display, > 1024x768 and it's got Blackbox looking pretty sharp. Previously, I'd had it > setup for the Generic Laptop Display, 800x600 and it looked like utter > garbage...1024x768 was the way to go for me. > Hope this is appropriate, and helps. I've been reading this list for some > time now, but not posted before. > > -Rob
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Woody Killed PCMCIA & Root in Gnome
Just upgraded from Progeny-Debian 2.2.18 to Woody, or so I thought. When I boot 2.2.18 still shows up but Grub has changed appearance as has Gnome. Problems: Cannot access my pcmcia nic (3Com 589c which worked perfectly prior to the upgrade). When I remove then re-insert the card there are no tones. When I reboot, Grub won't recognize Root but accepts my user account. Problem is that the user account doesn't permit me to edit and change things as I need to. If I break out of Gnome using Log Out and then Ctrl-Alt-F2 at the Grub login I can get to a command line where I can log in as Root but then I lack access to gedit (at the moment I lack the patience to learn the eccentricities of vi and the other command line editors). Can someone suggest how I repair Grub re. Root and how I then repair PCMCIA. Since I cannot access the Internet from my laptop I cannot download anything new for the moment. Thanks! Doc
Re: Woody Killed PCMCIA
> Note: I'm re-posting this to the debian-laptops list too, in case > someone there has any ideas. > Hubert > > OK. If you're still on 2.2.18, then the old pcmcia-modules should still > work. My guess is that Woody and Progeny have a different set of > startup scripts, and somehow the upgrade cause the PCMCIA stuff to not > get loaded. Unfortunately I don't know much about that stuff, so > hopefully someone else will. > > Does doing "/etc/init.d/pcmcia restart" help anything? What does it > output? Like everything else I seem to do ... error messages! :-( "Shutting down PCMCIA services:. Starting PCMCIA services:Warning: modutils is reading from /etc/modules.conf and ignoring /etc/conf.modules. The use of /etc/conf/modules is deprecated, please remove /etc/conf.modules as soon as possible. Command rm /etc/conf.modules ds: no socket drivers loaded! /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module:Device or resource busy Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod ds failed cardmgr" > How about "modprobe pcmcia_core"? "Warning: modutils is reading from /etc/modules.conf and ignoring /etc/conf.modules. The use of /etc/conf/modules is deprecated, please remove /etc/conf.modules as soon as possible." > Hmm. You might try putting the pcmcia-cs package on hold. Do > echo pcmcia-cs hold | dpkg --set-selections > before you upgrade. Maybe there's some conflict between the new > pcmcia-cs and the old modules. OK. > I assume you're using apt-get to do the upgrade? Are you using "apt-get > upgrade"? or "apt-get dist-upgrade"? > Have you looked at the Progeny Debian -> Debian Woody conversion page? > http://www.progeny.com/archive/debian/support/conversion.html That is precisely what I was following, using the fresh Progeny CD install to Woody instructions. That is part of my frustration, I trusted those instructions and they don't warn about a trashed pcmcia setup. Thanks! Doc
Re: Progeny->Woody Upgrade Alternatives?
> Progeny to Woody howto > http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=450 Been using that one. It is incomplete since it fails to mention the trashing of pcmcia, among other things. > Progeny to unstable > http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=414 > scott Now this is interesting. Why is it simpler than the Progeny->Woody upgrade? ~~~ Tips 'n' Tricks: Progeny->Sid sidegrade Posted by DanielS on Tuesday, October 02 @ 11:19:55 BST (773 reads) Having now done 2 Progeny->sid sidegrades, it's quite easy. All you need is the latest Debian unstable sources in your sources.list and nothing else (well, non-US, but that's it). Now, type: # apt-get update # dpkg --purge --force-deps libfreetype6 # apt-get -f dist-upgrade You may need to do this a couple of times, but just doing it once worked for me, though I've only tried this on two machines. It's quite a good way to install Debian, if you hate the installer. ~~~ How much "trouble" might I run into by choosing Unstable rather than Testing? Can the same commands be used to update from Testing? (If I did so am I likely to end up in the same place ... with no pcmcia functionality?) Meanwhile I have given up rescuing PCMCIA from the Progeny->Woody update. Am reinstalling Progeny for the 4th time in a matter of days so may once again access my pcmcia nic and ADSL. Sigh. With Progeny up I can try whatever command set seems most suitable to the task of a kernel-woody-pcmcia upgrade that all plays nice together! Thanks! Doc
Upgrading Progeny to Unstable
I am trying the comand (see below) sequence just to see if it works better than the Progeny->Woody version that repeatedly fails to support pcmcia on my laptop. This is an upgrade to Unstable. There is one change, on line two "deps" needs to be "depends". Also, under "Configuring PCMCIA" it asks to "Stop PCMCIA support" because for some reason it is "recommended" but "not strictly necessary" ... "that this daemon be stopped". It does say that the system "will lose all access to all PCMCIA devices". Why would I want to do that? I need my PCMCIA devices in case the upgrade is incomplete and I need to download PCMCIA stuff. Or is the assumption that I can reactivate PCMCIA afterwards? (Sure didn't work with the Progeny->Woody upgrade!) I am going to go ahead and keep Cardmgr active but would like to understand the rationale for shutting it down. Thanks! Doc ~ # apt-get update # dpkg --purge --force-deps libfreetype6 # apt-get -f dist-upgrade You may need to do this a couple of times, but just doing it once worked for me, though I've only tried this on two machines. It's quite a good way to install Debian, if you hate the installer. ~~~
Re: Getting Grub to Recognize Kernel Update to 2.4.12
> Here is my steps for install (btw, who ever maintains the GRUB docs, > I think I might be willing to write a first draft install guide): > > Partitions: > /dev/hda1 - /boot > /dev/hda2 - /root > > * grub-install /dev/hda > It warns me it can't find /dev/hda, but it creates a > /boot/grub/devices.map. I ran "grub-install /dev/hda" and got this ... (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda > Checking this, I see it's using the long devfsd path. So I change > (hd0) to read: > (hd0) /dev/hda > * grub-install /dev/hda > Runs okay...copies files over, etc. > * update-grub > It creates a blank version of the menu.lst file in /boot/grub > So I edit it changing the following: > #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=ext Aren't these commented-out? How can they change anything? BTW: What does "vga=ext" do, please? > and I change: > #groot=(hd0,0) This was already set that way. > * I re run update-grub OK. > To make sure dpkg -i kernel-image* correctly runs grub instead of > lilo I have the following in /etc/kernel-img.conf: > postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub > postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub I don't where to place these in that file. > # These turn off the bootloader (lilo) prompts and the boot floppy > # prompts > do_bootloader = no > do_bootfloppy = no Nor do I know where to place these. > Hope this helps! > -- Walt Kelly Thanks! Doc
Woody Killed PCMCIA & Root in Gnome
Just upgraded from Progeny-Debian 2.2.18 to Woody, or so I thought. When I boot 2.2.18 still shows up but Grub has changed appearance as has Gnome. Problems: Cannot access my pcmcia nic (3Com 589c which worked perfectly prior to the upgrade). When I remove then re-insert the card there are no tones. When I reboot, Grub won't recognize Root but accepts my user account. Problem is that the user account doesn't permit me to edit and change things as I need to. If I break out of Gnome using Log Out and then Ctrl-Alt-F2 at the Grub login I can get to a command line where I can log in as Root but then I lack access to gedit (at the moment I lack the patience to learn the eccentricities of vi and the other command line editors). Can someone suggest how I repair Grub re. Root and how I then repair PCMCIA. Since I cannot access the Internet from my laptop I cannot download anything new for the moment. Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody Killed PCMCIA
> Note: I'm re-posting this to the debian-laptops list too, in case > someone there has any ideas. > Hubert > > OK. If you're still on 2.2.18, then the old pcmcia-modules should still > work. My guess is that Woody and Progeny have a different set of > startup scripts, and somehow the upgrade cause the PCMCIA stuff to not > get loaded. Unfortunately I don't know much about that stuff, so > hopefully someone else will. > > Does doing "/etc/init.d/pcmcia restart" help anything? What does it > output? Like everything else I seem to do ... error messages! :-( "Shutting down PCMCIA services:. Starting PCMCIA services:Warning: modutils is reading from /etc/modules.conf and ignoring /etc/conf.modules. The use of /etc/conf/modules is deprecated, please remove /etc/conf.modules as soon as possible. Command rm /etc/conf.modules ds: no socket drivers loaded! /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module:Device or resource busy Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.18/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod ds failed cardmgr" > How about "modprobe pcmcia_core"? "Warning: modutils is reading from /etc/modules.conf and ignoring /etc/conf.modules. The use of /etc/conf/modules is deprecated, please remove /etc/conf.modules as soon as possible." > Hmm. You might try putting the pcmcia-cs package on hold. Do > echo pcmcia-cs hold | dpkg --set-selections > before you upgrade. Maybe there's some conflict between the new > pcmcia-cs and the old modules. OK. > I assume you're using apt-get to do the upgrade? Are you using "apt-get > upgrade"? or "apt-get dist-upgrade"? > Have you looked at the Progeny Debian -> Debian Woody conversion page? > http://www.progeny.com/archive/debian/support/conversion.html That is precisely what I was following, using the fresh Progeny CD install to Woody instructions. That is part of my frustration, I trusted those instructions and they don't warn about a trashed pcmcia setup. Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Progeny->Woody Upgrade Alternatives?
> Progeny to Woody howto > http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=450 Been using that one. It is incomplete since it fails to mention the trashing of pcmcia, among other things. > Progeny to unstable > http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=414 > scott Now this is interesting. Why is it simpler than the Progeny->Woody upgrade? ~~~ Tips 'n' Tricks: Progeny->Sid sidegrade Posted by DanielS on Tuesday, October 02 @ 11:19:55 BST (773 reads) Having now done 2 Progeny->sid sidegrades, it's quite easy. All you need is the latest Debian unstable sources in your sources.list and nothing else (well, non-US, but that's it). Now, type: # apt-get update # dpkg --purge --force-deps libfreetype6 # apt-get -f dist-upgrade You may need to do this a couple of times, but just doing it once worked for me, though I've only tried this on two machines. It's quite a good way to install Debian, if you hate the installer. ~~~ How much "trouble" might I run into by choosing Unstable rather than Testing? Can the same commands be used to update from Testing? (If I did so am I likely to end up in the same place ... with no pcmcia functionality?) Meanwhile I have given up rescuing PCMCIA from the Progeny->Woody update. Am reinstalling Progeny for the 4th time in a matter of days so may once again access my pcmcia nic and ADSL. Sigh. With Progeny up I can try whatever command set seems most suitable to the task of a kernel-woody-pcmcia upgrade that all plays nice together! Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading Progeny to Unstable
I am trying the comand (see below) sequence just to see if it works better than the Progeny->Woody version that repeatedly fails to support pcmcia on my laptop. This is an upgrade to Unstable. There is one change, on line two "deps" needs to be "depends". Also, under "Configuring PCMCIA" it asks to "Stop PCMCIA support" because for some reason it is "recommended" but "not strictly necessary" ... "that this daemon be stopped". It does say that the system "will lose all access to all PCMCIA devices". Why would I want to do that? I need my PCMCIA devices in case the upgrade is incomplete and I need to download PCMCIA stuff. Or is the assumption that I can reactivate PCMCIA afterwards? (Sure didn't work with the Progeny->Woody upgrade!) I am going to go ahead and keep Cardmgr active but would like to understand the rationale for shutting it down. Thanks! Doc ~ # apt-get update # dpkg --purge --force-deps libfreetype6 # apt-get -f dist-upgrade You may need to do this a couple of times, but just doing it once worked for me, though I've only tried this on two machines. It's quite a good way to install Debian, if you hate the installer. ~~~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISA PnP or Manual Settings for Sound?
My HP OmniBook 4100 uses the CS4237B chip. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-howto/x834.htm CS4235,CS4236,CS4236B,CS4237B,CS4238B,CS4239. Module snd-card-cs4236.o for soundcards based on CS4235, CS4236, CS4236B, CS4237B, CS4238B, CS4239 chips. This Module supports up to 8 cards. This module does not support auto probe if ISA PnP is not used thus main port and control port must be specified!!! Other ports are optional. Is there any reason why I would not toggle on ISA PnP during the setup of the kernel? How much of a hassle is it to set the main port and control port? Note: I am loading 2.4.13 on my laptop, it already has Unstable, upgraded from Progeny. My pcmcia ports are working fine but sound remains a challenge. Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compaq 1235, PCMCIA-CS, and kernels newer than 2.4.2
I went from Progeny to Unstable and PCMCIA works fine. Also loaded 2.4.14 ... then my troubles started with X. Have not yet even looked at sound which has never worked under Progeny-Debian, though it did with Stormix. Think I may load 2.4.15 and hope that whatever X bug was introduced in 2.4.14 will have been fixed in 2.4.16/2.5 BTW: I'm using a HP OmniBook 4100. doc > Well, finialy found a bit of time to repartition my laptop (got rid of > windows so there is more room for debian) so now that I have enough space > to go from Progeny to Woody I have done so. > > But still I have this problem. I can't bet PCMCIA working on anything > newer than 2.4.2. 2.2.19 works, 2.4.2 works, but I've had no luck > with 2.4.6, 2.4.9, or 2.4.14. > > What I get is: > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including inva > lid IO or IRQ parameters > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: > init_module: Operation not permitted > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: > insmod /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod 3c574_cs failed > > As you can see, I'm using the prepackaged 2.4.14 kernel. But I have > compiled my own 2.4.2, 2.4.6, and 2.4.9 kernels. > > In need of tips, suggestions, etc. Thanks all. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.
> I made my laptop my principle machine years ago. I've never looked back. > Be seeing you, norm I have been using a laptop as a "desktop replacement" for many years, and according to technology media reports such is the wave of the future. As for Linux versus M$ Windows products -- efficient resource use, price, stability, and security have always mitigated in favor of Linux. It is true that many of us have struggled mightily to get Linux to run properly on many models of laptops, whereas Windows easily loads and runs, we have ethical, financial, and technological reasons to believe that the hassle will be worth it. Linux is a less "mature" and relatively zero-funded product than is Windows, yet it generally outperforms Windows despite megabucks spent in M$ development. Causes one to wonder about the model M$ is using. Reality Check: I sure would love to get Linux working again on my Laptop! I started with Progeny and am trying to shift to 100% Debian, however something -- possibly an artifact of Progeny -- is tripping things up and I cannot find it. I would like to request more assistance in resolving my problem with Debian-Linux on my OmniBook 4100. I currently have Unstable and 2.4.14 loaded and cannot get into X. (FYI: Progeny loaded GRUB rather than LILO.) I am forced to boot Single mode to the command prompt because I otherwise am faced with a flashing display. Should I download 2.5 and update Unstable? Is there a good reason to believe the problem may be resolved if I do so, or would it just be a shot in the dark? Thanks! doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
Sure appreciate the help! Remembering that I am in "Single" mode, does that kill off some stuff like "Safe Mode" in M$ Windows? > - What output is produced if you run "X -probeonly" ? "bash: X: command not found" > - Which X server you are using (or : trying to use) The default, left over from Progeny, is GRUB loading Gnome. > - Video chipset 128bit NeoMagic MagicGraph graphics accelerator with video ram Zoomed Video support for both PC Card slots > - XF86Config configuration (videocard and monitor bits) Just ran "find -name XF86Config" and it returned nothing but the command prompt. - Any relevant log messages from /var/log/* There are 13 .log files in that directory, plus a bunch of other stuff. Could you help me to narrow the likely source of relevant data? Thanks! doc -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh - Original Message - From: "Karl E. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reality Check. (was Why Linux on a Laptop?)
> Well, you might take a "package pools" approach - rescue your own control > files to a clas of apps or utilities, remove it entirely, use the > packaging system to reintroduce the pool, and then look at the control > files that come with the "standard" kit and apply only the changes you > need back in. You are talking well over my head. Sorry. I am happy to wipe the remnants of Progeny out but I have no idea how to get that done. I also am leaning towards standardizing on KDE so I'd have no problem with wiping Gnome. > GRUB/lilo probably not nearly as much a bug as X dying on you. which > flavor of X? I am not sure what is what any more now that I loaded Unstable and 2.4.14. Is there a simple inquiry to discover this? "X -probeonly" only gets me "bash: X: command not found" > Do they have 2.4.16 up yet? Linux Kernel 2.5 pre-patch 2.5.1pre4 > What sort of "doesn't work" does it do, e.g. error messages, etc. Several commands have been suggested to try and activate X from Single and none have worked. As you have noted, trying to test anything in between the flashing display is a recipe for frustration. > Turn off xdm/gdm/kdm so you don't have a GUI login attempt gumming up > the works. And I do that how, please? > You may, however, need to back down to "plain" SVGA support until you resolve > acceleration problems. That will require editing some control files, or > regenerating them. > xf86config is good, it's a text mode app that only asks you all the right > questions, rather than expecting the GUI to work yet. > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... Sitting in the /usr/X11R6/bin directory "ls" shows me xf86config but neither "xf86config -probeonly" or "xf86config" gets me anywhere. I get a "command not found error". I presume this is because I am in Single mode? Thanks! doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
> > > - What output is produced if you run "X -probeonly" ? > > "bash: X: command not found" > 1) /usr/X11R6/bin is not on your path. Not surprising in single user mode. > 2) does it run when you give it an explicit path to X ? Yes. So much to learn about Linux! A ton of text whining about NEOMAGIC(0): Not using default mode ... "1856x1392" (insufficient memory for mode) ... also for 1920x1440, 1400x1050. Then ... [II] NEOMAGIC(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name) [--] NEOMAGIC(0): Virtual size is 800x600 (pitch 800) [**] NEOMAGIC(0): Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz [**] NEOMAGIC(0): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz [==] NEOMAGIC(0): DPI set to )75, 75) [II] Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a [II] Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version 1.0.0 [II] Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a [II] Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version 1.0.0 [II] Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a [II] Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version 0.1.0 > > > - XF86Config configuration (videocard and monitor bits) > > Just ran "find -name XF86Config" and it returned nothing but the > > command prompt. > what directory were you in? /usr/X11R6/bin > look in /etc/X11 I see XF86Config-4 and XF86Config-4~ > > - Any relevant log messages from /var/log/* > > There are 13 .log files in that directory, plus a bunch of other stuff. > > Could you help me to narrow the likely source of relevant data? > Start with messages and dmesg, we'll work on it from there, unless something > has X (the capital letter) in its name. > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... Lots of stuff since October. Not much looks interesting ... unless I missed it nothing in either referenced X ... are these from "messages" are helpful? "Nov 25 21:14:07 progeny kernel: Console colour VGA+ 80x25" "Nov 25 21:21:32 progeny exiting on signal 15" Thanks! doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
> But why hurry it? The debian dependency system lets you > upgrade the bits and pieces you want and leave the ones that > work alone. Upgrade the packages you need. > apt-get update > apt-get --simulate install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > .. and then if it looks OK ... > apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > (I'm actually to lazy to do that exactly, so I have a little > script that does it for me... > dinst pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > dinst --doit) I'd already there -- spent months trying the piecemeal approach and it just wasn't working out. > dpkg -l '*xserver*' ii xserver-8514 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-agx 3.3.6-39 ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver > > > - Video chipset > > > > 128bit NeoMagic MagicGraph graphics accelerator with video ram > > Zoomed Video support for both PC Card slots > > My Neomagic (older chipset) didn't work well under XFree86 > 3.x, so I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to > unstable and did an > apt-get remove xserver-xxx > to get rid of my old xserver and then did a > apt-get update > apt-get install x-window-system > to get the x-server from the unstable series (4.1.x now) > > > > - XF86Config configuration (videocard and monitor bits) > > > > Just ran "find -name XF86Config" and it returned nothing but the > > command prompt. > > Typically it's at /etc/X11//XF86Config or /etc/X11//XF86Config-4 > > > - Any relevant log messages from /var/log/* > > > > There are 13 .log files in that directory, plus a bunch of other stuff. > > Could you help me to narrow the likely source of relevant data? > > Given that gdm is probably starting X on your system, I'd > look for gdm logs. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashing display -- Complete Reply
> But why hurry it? The debian dependency system lets you > upgrade the bits and pieces you want and leave the ones that > work alone. Upgrade the packages you need. > apt-get update > apt-get --simulate install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > .. and then if it looks OK ... > apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > (I'm actually to lazy to do that exactly, so I have a little > script that does it for me... > dinst pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > dinst --doit) I'd already there -- spent months trying the piecemeal approach and it just wasn't working out. > dpkg -l '*xserver*' ii xserver-8514 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-agx 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-common 4.1.0-9 ii xserver-common 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-mach32 3.3.6-39 un xserver-mach64 (none) ii xserver-mach8 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-p9000 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-s3 3.3.6-39 un xserver-s3v (none) ii xserver-svga 3.3.6-39 un xserver-tga (none) un xserver-vga16 (none) un xserver-w32 (none) ii xserver-xfree8 4.1.0-9 Thanks! doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting Grub to Recognize Kernel Update to 2.4.12
> > "make-kpkg" complains that I am not is the top level linux kernel > > source directory. I tried to launch it from /, /boot, /usr/src to no avail. > > > > I looked around and still couldn't find linux-2.4.12.gz anywhere. > > apt-get update > apt-get install kernel-package > glen Did these two steps ... make-kpkg still complains. Ran "apt-get upgrade kernel-package" Did this but still not the solution ... make-kpkg still complains. I have to be missing a step here somewhere! Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting Grub to Recognize Kernel Update to 2.4.12
> Here is my steps for install (btw, who ever maintains the GRUB docs, > I think I might be willing to write a first draft install guide): > > Partitions: > /dev/hda1 - /boot > /dev/hda2 - /root > > * grub-install /dev/hda > It warns me it can't find /dev/hda, but it creates a > /boot/grub/devices.map. I ran "grub-install /dev/hda" and got this ... (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda > Checking this, I see it's using the long devfsd path. So I change > (hd0) to read: > (hd0) /dev/hda > * grub-install /dev/hda > Runs okay...copies files over, etc. > * update-grub > It creates a blank version of the menu.lst file in /boot/grub > So I edit it changing the following: > #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=ext Aren't these commented-out? How can they change anything? BTW: What does "vga=ext" do, please? > and I change: > #groot=(hd0,0) This was already set that way. > * I re run update-grub OK. > To make sure dpkg -i kernel-image* correctly runs grub instead of > lilo I have the following in /etc/kernel-img.conf: > postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub > postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub I don't where to place these in that file. > # These turn off the bootloader (lilo) prompts and the boot floppy > # prompts > do_bootloader = no > do_bootfloppy = no Nor do I know where to place these. > Hope this helps! > -- Walt Kelly Thanks! Doc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting Grub to Recognize Kernel Update to 2.4.12
> > "make-kpkg" complains that I am not is the top level linux kernel > > source directory. I tried to launch it from /, /boot, /usr/src to no avail. > > > > I looked around and still couldn't find linux-2.4.12.gz anywhere. > > apt-get update > apt-get install kernel-package > glen Did these two steps ... make-kpkg still complains. Ran "apt-get upgrade kernel-package" Did this but still not the solution ... make-kpkg still complains. I have to be missing a step here somewhere! Thanks! Doc
ISA PnP or Manual Settings for Sound?
My HP OmniBook 4100 uses the CS4237B chip. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-howto/x834.htm CS4235,CS4236,CS4236B,CS4237B,CS4238B,CS4239. Module snd-card-cs4236.o for soundcards based on CS4235, CS4236, CS4236B, CS4237B, CS4238B, CS4239 chips. This Module supports up to 8 cards. This module does not support auto probe if ISA PnP is not used thus main port and control port must be specified!!! Other ports are optional. Is there any reason why I would not toggle on ISA PnP during the setup of the kernel? How much of a hassle is it to set the main port and control port? Note: I am loading 2.4.13 on my laptop, it already has Unstable, upgraded from Progeny. My pcmcia ports are working fine but sound remains a challenge. Thanks! Doc
Re: Compaq 1235, PCMCIA-CS, and kernels newer than 2.4.2
I went from Progeny to Unstable and PCMCIA works fine. Also loaded 2.4.14 ... then my troubles started with X. Have not yet even looked at sound which has never worked under Progeny-Debian, though it did with Stormix. Think I may load 2.4.15 and hope that whatever X bug was introduced in 2.4.14 will have been fixed in 2.4.16/2.5 BTW: I'm using a HP OmniBook 4100. doc > Well, finialy found a bit of time to repartition my laptop (got rid of > windows so there is more room for debian) so now that I have enough space > to go from Progeny to Woody I have done so. > > But still I have this problem. I can't bet PCMCIA working on anything > newer than 2.4.2. 2.2.19 works, 2.4.2 works, but I've had no luck > with 2.4.6, 2.4.9, or 2.4.14. > > What I get is: > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including inva > lid IO or IRQ parameters > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: > init_module: Operation not permitted > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: > insmod /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod 3c574_cs failed > > As you can see, I'm using the prepackaged 2.4.14 kernel. But I have > compiled my own 2.4.2, 2.4.6, and 2.4.9 kernels. > > In need of tips, suggestions, etc. Thanks all. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org
Re: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.
> I made my laptop my principle machine years ago. I've never looked back. > Be seeing you, norm I have been using a laptop as a "desktop replacement" for many years, and according to technology media reports such is the wave of the future. As for Linux versus M$ Windows products -- efficient resource use, price, stability, and security have always mitigated in favor of Linux. It is true that many of us have struggled mightily to get Linux to run properly on many models of laptops, whereas Windows easily loads and runs, we have ethical, financial, and technological reasons to believe that the hassle will be worth it. Linux is a less "mature" and relatively zero-funded product than is Windows, yet it generally outperforms Windows despite megabucks spent in M$ development. Causes one to wonder about the model M$ is using. Reality Check: I sure would love to get Linux working again on my Laptop! I started with Progeny and am trying to shift to 100% Debian, however something -- possibly an artifact of Progeny -- is tripping things up and I cannot find it. I would like to request more assistance in resolving my problem with Debian-Linux on my OmniBook 4100. I currently have Unstable and 2.4.14 loaded and cannot get into X. (FYI: Progeny loaded GRUB rather than LILO.) I am forced to boot Single mode to the command prompt because I otherwise am faced with a flashing display. Should I download 2.5 and update Unstable? Is there a good reason to believe the problem may be resolved if I do so, or would it just be a shot in the dark? Thanks! doc
Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
Sure appreciate the help! Remembering that I am in "Single" mode, does that kill off some stuff like "Safe Mode" in M$ Windows? > - What output is produced if you run "X -probeonly" ? "bash: X: command not found" > - Which X server you are using (or : trying to use) The default, left over from Progeny, is GRUB loading Gnome. > - Video chipset 128bit NeoMagic MagicGraph graphics accelerator with video ram Zoomed Video support for both PC Card slots > - XF86Config configuration (videocard and monitor bits) Just ran "find -name XF86Config" and it returned nothing but the command prompt. - Any relevant log messages from /var/log/* There are 13 .log files in that directory, plus a bunch of other stuff. Could you help me to narrow the likely source of relevant data? Thanks! doc -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh - Original Message - From: "Karl E. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
Re: Reality Check. (was Why Linux on a Laptop?)
> Well, you might take a "package pools" approach - rescue your own control > files to a clas of apps or utilities, remove it entirely, use the > packaging system to reintroduce the pool, and then look at the control > files that come with the "standard" kit and apply only the changes you > need back in. You are talking well over my head. Sorry. I am happy to wipe the remnants of Progeny out but I have no idea how to get that done. I also am leaning towards standardizing on KDE so I'd have no problem with wiping Gnome. > GRUB/lilo probably not nearly as much a bug as X dying on you. which > flavor of X? I am not sure what is what any more now that I loaded Unstable and 2.4.14. Is there a simple inquiry to discover this? "X -probeonly" only gets me "bash: X: command not found" > Do they have 2.4.16 up yet? Linux Kernel 2.5 pre-patch 2.5.1pre4 > What sort of "doesn't work" does it do, e.g. error messages, etc. Several commands have been suggested to try and activate X from Single and none have worked. As you have noted, trying to test anything in between the flashing display is a recipe for frustration. > Turn off xdm/gdm/kdm so you don't have a GUI login attempt gumming up > the works. And I do that how, please? > You may, however, need to back down to "plain" SVGA support until you resolve > acceleration problems. That will require editing some control files, or > regenerating them. > xf86config is good, it's a text mode app that only asks you all the right > questions, rather than expecting the GUI to work yet. > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... Sitting in the /usr/X11R6/bin directory "ls" shows me xf86config but neither "xf86config -probeonly" or "xf86config" gets me anywhere. I get a "command not found error". I presume this is because I am in Single mode? Thanks! doc
Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
> > > - What output is produced if you run "X -probeonly" ? > > "bash: X: command not found" > 1) /usr/X11R6/bin is not on your path. Not surprising in single user mode. > 2) does it run when you give it an explicit path to X ? Yes. So much to learn about Linux! A ton of text whining about NEOMAGIC(0): Not using default mode ... "1856x1392" (insufficient memory for mode) ... also for 1920x1440, 1400x1050. Then ... [II] NEOMAGIC(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name) [--] NEOMAGIC(0): Virtual size is 800x600 (pitch 800) [**] NEOMAGIC(0): Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz [**] NEOMAGIC(0): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz [==] NEOMAGIC(0): DPI set to )75, 75) [II] Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a [II] Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version 1.0.0 [II] Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a [II] Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version 1.0.0 [II] Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a [II] Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version 0.1.0 > > > - XF86Config configuration (videocard and monitor bits) > > Just ran "find -name XF86Config" and it returned nothing but the > > command prompt. > what directory were you in? /usr/X11R6/bin > look in /etc/X11 I see XF86Config-4 and XF86Config-4~ > > - Any relevant log messages from /var/log/* > > There are 13 .log files in that directory, plus a bunch of other stuff. > > Could you help me to narrow the likely source of relevant data? > Start with messages and dmesg, we'll work on it from there, unless something > has X (the capital letter) in its name. > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... Lots of stuff since October. Not much looks interesting ... unless I missed it nothing in either referenced X ... are these from "messages" are helpful? "Nov 25 21:14:07 progeny kernel: Console colour VGA+ 80x25" "Nov 25 21:21:32 progeny exiting on signal 15" Thanks! doc
Re: Flashing display [was: Why Linux on a Laptop? Reality Check.]
> But why hurry it? The debian dependency system lets you > upgrade the bits and pieces you want and leave the ones that > work alone. Upgrade the packages you need. > apt-get update > apt-get --simulate install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > .. and then if it looks OK ... > apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > (I'm actually to lazy to do that exactly, so I have a little > script that does it for me... > dinst pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > dinst --doit) I'd already there -- spent months trying the piecemeal approach and it just wasn't working out. > dpkg -l '*xserver*' ii xserver-8514 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-agx 3.3.6-39 ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver ii xserver > > > - Video chipset > > > > 128bit NeoMagic MagicGraph graphics accelerator with video ram > > Zoomed Video support for both PC Card slots > > My Neomagic (older chipset) didn't work well under XFree86 > 3.x, so I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to > unstable and did an > apt-get remove xserver-xxx > to get rid of my old xserver and then did a > apt-get update > apt-get install x-window-system > to get the x-server from the unstable series (4.1.x now) > > > > - XF86Config configuration (videocard and monitor bits) > > > > Just ran "find -name XF86Config" and it returned nothing but the > > command prompt. > > Typically it's at /etc/X11//XF86Config or /etc/X11//XF86Config-4 > > > - Any relevant log messages from /var/log/* > > > > There are 13 .log files in that directory, plus a bunch of other stuff. > > Could you help me to narrow the likely source of relevant data? > > Given that gdm is probably starting X on your system, I'd > look for gdm logs. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Flashing display -- Complete Reply
> But why hurry it? The debian dependency system lets you > upgrade the bits and pieces you want and leave the ones that > work alone. Upgrade the packages you need. > apt-get update > apt-get --simulate install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > .. and then if it looks OK ... > apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > (I'm actually to lazy to do that exactly, so I have a little > script that does it for me... > dinst pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 > dinst --doit) I'd already there -- spent months trying the piecemeal approach and it just wasn't working out. > dpkg -l '*xserver*' ii xserver-8514 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-agx 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-common 4.1.0-9 ii xserver-common 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-mach32 3.3.6-39 un xserver-mach64 (none) ii xserver-mach8 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-p9000 3.3.6-39 ii xserver-s3 3.3.6-39 un xserver-s3v (none) ii xserver-svga 3.3.6-39 un xserver-tga (none) un xserver-vga16 (none) un xserver-w32 (none) ii xserver-xfree8 4.1.0-9 Thanks! doc
