Re: Installation on a Toshiba A200 1BP Laptop ...

2007-07-06 Thread George Hein
Beware, I think this may invalidate their warranty. There were some 
problems with this some years ago with either Toshiba and/or HP.


On my part, I think some beta linux sw MAY have destroyed my screen on 
my first thinkpad (earliest thinpad model?) about 10 years ago which had 
a triple boot of Win,OS/2,Linux (never a problem with similar one still 
running - 365/365x).


There was a definite problem with some firmware/software on a thinkpad 
some 8 years ago which killed many boards which IBM replaced free (as 
soon as problem was discovered linux immediately changed code to bypass 
some commands to thinkpads).


I do not want to scare you, I've been using Linux for years on eight 
different models of IBM-thinkpads and three IBM desktop models and use 
Linux 99.99% of time.



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Anyone happy with Dell-Ubuntu PC's?

2007-07-06 Thread George Hein
My family has had about 10 ThinkPads, but as another is dying we 'need' 
another laptop. Lenovo not as good as IBM and Dell avoiding the MS-tax 
lead me to try Dell.  Any experiances?  Meanwhile on my main laptop, 
ThinkPad-T42 with Debian I'm very happy.  Been using OS/2 when it first 
came out for years, then switched to Linux about 7 years ago.  I do not 
want to pay MS for their junk which I will not use.



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Re: ThinkPads

2007-07-06 Thread Hans Poppe
Andrew McMillan wisely stated:

> My experience
> with the ATI drivers is that they have improved a lot over the last
> couple of years, and the installation is certainly much better.  The
> downloadable drivers will let you create a Debian package to install
> from, though you have to pass it a magic command-line switch to do so.

You wouldn't be so kind as to tell us what the "magic command-line
switch" is would you? I've been trying to do this before, witout luck.

Thanks,
Hans Poppe
Oslo, Norway
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ipw3945 driver issues with Debian Sid

2007-07-06 Thread Josh Richard

Good Day,

I am having connection issues with a new laptop running the ipw3945
driver.  Hopefull something jumps out at someone.

Here are the details...

Debian sid on HP Compaq NC6320.
The wireless interface is eth2.

/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/contrib/ipw3945.ko
version=1.2.1dmpr

/sbin/ipw3945d
version: 1.7.22

iwlistWireless-Tools version 29
  Compatible with Wireless Extension v11 to v22.

KernelCurrently compiled with Wireless Extension v22.

eth2  Recommend Wireless Extension v16 or later,
  Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v22.

eth2  Available private ioctls :
  set_power(8BE0) : set   1 int   & get   0
  get_power(8BE1) : set   0   & get  80 char
  set_mode (8BE2) : set   1 int   & get   0
  get_mode (8BE3) : set   0   & get  80 char
  set_preamble (8BE4) : set   1 int   & get   0
  get_preamble (8BE5) : set   0   & get  16 char
  reset(8BE7) : set   0 int   & get   0
  monitor  (8BE6) : set   2 int   & get   0

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## Symptoms
#
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ipw3945 associates to the wireless infrastructure using:

iwconfig eth2 essid any

which in turn associates with our SSID.  I am able to obtain an ip 
address using DHCP after many DHCPREQUESTs.  Network traffic does pass 
very slowly and frequent timeouts occur.  Overall, I would consider 
wireless unusable.


What is important to take away is the following:

0. Similar behavior running etch on different versions of the module,
regulatory daemon and microcode.

1. In watching the signal meter using wavemon, I notice the link is
available, then drops out and returns.

I can correlate link drops with the following syslog messages:

/var/log/syslog

Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available.
Jul  6 10:46:15 shakey2 kernel: ipw3945: tx cmd rate scale  failed.

/var/log/ipw3945d/ipw3945d.log

2007-07-06 10:58:06: WARNING: scan complete while not in scan.

It seems to be associating continously and unable to maintain a
reliable connection.

Has anyone else experienced this issue?

Any assistance provided is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Josh Richard



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Re: Anyone happy with Dell-Ubuntu PC's?

2007-07-06 Thread Steve Witt

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, George Hein wrote:

My family has had about 10 ThinkPads, but as another is dying we 'need' 
another laptop. Lenovo not as good as IBM and Dell avoiding the MS-tax lead 
me to try Dell.  Any experiances?  Meanwhile on my main laptop, ThinkPad-T42 
with Debian I'm very happy.  Been using OS/2 when it first came out for 
years, then switched to Linux about 7 years ago.  I do not want to pay MS for 
their junk which I will not use.




Dell laptops seem to get a fair amount of criticism (though it seems that 
someone has something bad to say about any given laptop). I've got around 
10 or so Dell Inspiron 8200 laptops that we bought at work a few years 
ago. These are now pretty old, but we still use them a lot. They have been 
OK for the most part, but we've had problems with displays, video cards 
and keyboard/touchpad. I think 2 of the 10 have been put out to pasture 
due to display problems after the 3 year warrenty was up. I have a 3rd 
that is starting to have display problems, but is still intermittant. 
During the warrenty period, I thought that the Dell service was pretty 
good. I don't have any experience with newer Dell laptops. I guess it 
really depends upon how long one thinks a laptop should last.


We're replacing these with new HP Compaq nw8440 laptops that are pretty 
nice, but are still too new to have any reliability experience with, but 
so far so good. My work has a deal with HP so its hard to buy another 
brand.


I was under the impression that Thinkpads were considered to be some of 
the best laptops and I've always wanted to try one. From your comment it 
seems that there was a significant drop in quality/reliability when IBM 
sold the line to Lenovo.




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Re: Anyone happy with Dell-Ubuntu PC's?

2007-07-06 Thread Bob Proulx
Steve Witt wrote:
> I was under the impression that Thinkpads were considered to be some of 
> the best laptops and I've always wanted to try one. From your comment it 
> seems that there was a significant drop in quality/reliability when IBM 
> sold the line to Lenovo.

I have personal experience with the T42 and T43 but not with the T60.
The T42 and T43 machines have been great and have been very compatible.
As far as I can see I don't think the T60 is significantly lower in
quality but I think there has been a small incremental drop in it.
For example the T60 keyboard I think is incrementally not as good as
the previous ones.  All of the keys are now the same color whereas
before they had highlights on some keys.  The same with the mouse
buttons which are all monotone and smaller in the T60 whereas before
they were larger and highlighted.  That little bit of color here and
there grabs you and makes it easier to use and is a very small thing
and has an positive impact on usability in my opinion.  They are all
monotone in the T60.  Also the volume, mute, power, plus the special
"thinkpad" buttons have been changed to what seems to me to be a
cheaper key.  I am sure they are fine but they just don't seem to be
the high quality keys that were used previously.

All of those things are things that can be gotten used to but to me
indicate a cost driven emphasis over a usability emphasis.  This seems
to only be happening not all at once but as the design is changed.
Since little has changed yet overall the machine is probably just
fine.  But it is possibly a trend that over time the newer machines
will be even more cost driven and have lower quality as compared to
the previous machines.

Just my opinion...

Bob


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