Re: problem with /dev/hdc and DVD player

[tickfigure]

Solved the problem... strangely enough the module was missing.  I copied  
the cdrom.ko module after compiling the kernel again. Works fine now.  It  
was the only module missing.  Don't know what happened :-)



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C/R (was: Re: *** bluber *** Re: Male xxxxxx enhancement formula^)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, May 30, 2005 at 01:34:22AM -0700, Ian Greenhoe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 16:34 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> > There has been heated debate on comp.mail.misc about C/R systems.
> > 
> > There is a "Fighting email spam and anti-UBE pointers" posting which is
> > posted to comp.mail.misc, comp.answers, news.answers 2 times a month.
> > 
> > Excerpt:
> > 
> > "Challenge-Response system is based on false assumption that sender's
> > address can be used for authentication. It cannot and thus any C-R
> > system will contribute nothing else by amplifying the spam problem."
> 
> And the hidden (and unproven) assumption in this statement is that
> spammers use real email addresses that have been validated.  I have seen
> worms do this.  I have never seen spammers do this.

Well, given that I wrote the false assumption observation, *and* I've
received challenges based on spoofed spam and viral mail, I'd say the
assumption is neither hidden nor unproven.
 
> If this (challenge-response) were to become a common system, spammers
> might start using real email addresses.

Wrong problem.

If C-R were to become even marginally prevelant, the volume of bogus
challenge spam would itself be a significant component of all spam.  It
would also effectively mask all intentional C-R challenges.

The usual next step in this conversation is that the C-R advocate says
"but my system doesn't do that!".  Sorry, you lose.  I've got no idea
what your system is, how it works, or what it does, speaking for the
general case of "you".  Which once again points at a weakness of C-R:
it relies on both deterministic responses of the challenge recipient,
and trust in a system inherently based on unstrusted data and
unstrustworthy systems and users.

> But since it isn't, they don't.

Actually, if you budget out $20/day (markedly higher than the median
Nigerian daily wage), a 3-4 messages per minute response rate, and a
very modest spam-response conversion rate on spam, manually responding
to spam challenges does become economical.  Never understimate the
economics of third world wages.



> Since I strongly disagree with the premise, I do not accept the
> conclusion.  In my opinion, C/R is a viable method of combating spam --
> but not the only one, nor should it be used alone.

No.  C-R is spam.


Peace.

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Re: C/R (was: Re: *** bluber *** Re: Male xxxxxx enhancement formula^)

[Goswin von Brederlow]

"Karsten M. Self"  writes:

> on Mon, May 30, 2005 at 01:34:22AM -0700, Ian Greenhoe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 16:34 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> > "Challenge-Response system is based on false assumption that sender's
>> > address can be used for authentication. It cannot and thus any C-R
>> > system will contribute nothing else by amplifying the spam problem."
>> 
>> And the hidden (and unproven) assumption in this statement is that
>> spammers use real email addresses that have been validated.  I have seen
>> worms do this.  I have never seen spammers do this.
>
> Well, given that I wrote the false assumption observation, *and* I've
> received challenges based on spoofed spam and viral mail, I'd say the
> assumption is neither hidden nor unproven.

I even recieve spam mails with myself as sender (and no, I'm not
infected or sending that spam at all) directed to myself or to
mailinglists. Happens all the time.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: Problem with T42p, ipw2200 and ACPI

[Wang Xu]

> Hi all,
> 
> I've small problems with an IBM T42p:
> 
> First one: ACPI doesn't suspend correctly (echo 3>/proc/acpi/sleep)
> the machine, sometimes it works, somtime not.
You might need kernel parameter "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" on some 
machine, which is working fine on my asus laptop.





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Re: failed ifup leaves device up

[Matej Cepl]

Thomas Hood wrote:
> See also bug #286148.

Yes, that's it. A contrary to your experience I encountered the described
problem many times.

iface wlan0 inet dhcp
pre-up if grep -q ndiswrapper /proc/modules ; then :; else modprobe
ndiswrapper; fi
up /usr/local/sbin/setsmtp smtp.seznam.cz

was just a call for such problems, when I was on extremely bad wireless
network (actually, I was getting signal from unknown open wireless router).
Or if you add ifplugd to the mix (with server down and "auto eth0", which
only now I found to be misconfiguration mentioned in ifplugd's README), you
can get there very easily as well.

Matej

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Re: Problem with T42p, ipw2200 and ACPI

[François TOURDE]

Le 12981ième jour après Epoch,
Wang Xu écrivait:

>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've small problems with an IBM T42p:
>> 
>> First one: ACPI doesn't suspend correctly (echo 3>/proc/acpi/sleep)
>> the machine, sometimes it works, somtime not.
> You might need kernel parameter "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" on some 
> machine, which is working fine on my asus laptop.

Thanks for your reply ... I fell less alone ;)

I've already tried acpi_sleep=s3_bios, but no success :(

The sleep process seems to be stopped by mysqld, or just doesn't work.

gnome-terminal

[Willie McKemie]

This is not the right place for this question, but since I'm on this 
list, I would try anyway.

A while back, I stumbled on the gnome-terminal feature that allow one 
to pass a URL to a browser very easily; I've become quite a fan of that 
feature.  However, I have found it nowhere documented.  And, I have a 
new install that calls up Konqueror rather than Firefox.  I've checked 
gnome-terminal help, man gnome-terminal, and searched rc files.  No 
luck.  Where is it?

Related question: does the KDE shell have a similar feature?  If so, I 
haven't found it.

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Re: gnome-terminal

[Vivek Dasmohapatra]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Willie McKemie wrote:


This is not the right place for this question, but since I'm on this
list, I would try anyway.

A while back, I stumbled on the gnome-terminal feature that allow one
to pass a URL to a browser very easily; I've become quite a fan of that
feature.  However, I have found it nowhere documented.  And, I have a
new install that calls up Konqueror rather than Firefox.  I've checked
gnome-terminal help, man gnome-terminal, and searched rc files.  No
luck.  Where is it?


It might be:

  update-alternatives --display x-www-browser

See what that is set to.


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Re: Problem with T42p, ipw2200 and ACPI

[Phuong Le-Hong]

The ipw2200 module on my T42 works well with kernel 2.6.8. What version 
of kernel do you use ?


I still have a problem with ACPI module. I can suspend the machine, but 
after suspending, USB modules don't work anymore! (for example mouse, 
Wifi). And the machine does not power off completely. It does shudown 
only the hardisk and the monitor. I have press the power button for a 
few seconds to shutdown the machine. It's awful. :(



François TOURDE wrote:


Hi all,

I've small problems with an IBM T42p:

First one: ACPI doesn't suspend correctly (echo 3>/proc/acpi/sleep)
the machine, sometimes it works, somtime not.

So, I use APM and all works fine, except cpu throttling :(

Second one: The Wifi (ipw2200 module) card seems to not working as I
expect. On my old laptop (Dell C840) the Wifi card (Prism54) was
detected by ifplugd as "plugged" when an AP is detected. The new
ipw2200 stay in "unassociated" mode:

eth1  unassociated  ESSID:off/any  
 Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00   
 Bit Rate=0 kb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm   
 RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off

 Encryption key:off
 Power Management:off
 Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
 Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
 Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

Any help appreciated ...

 




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Re: Problem with T42p, ipw2200 and ACPI

[François TOURDE]

Le 12981ième jour après Epoch,
Phuong Le-Hong écrivait:

> The ipw2200 module on my T42 works well with kernel 2.6.8. What
> version of kernel do you use ?

I'm using 2.6.11-1-686 , and ipw2200 works good ... only if I specify
all parameters about the link. I must setup AP, Key, ESSID, etc... to
have a signal detected...

But my goal is to autodetect AP, then let whereami do the job.

All was good when I was on a Prism54 device.

Thanks for your reply.

> I still have a problem with ACPI module. I can suspend the machine,
> but after suspending, USB modules don't work anymore! (for example
> mouse, Wifi). And the machine does not power off completely. It does
> shudown only the hardisk and the monitor. I have press the power
> button for a few seconds to shutdown the machine. It's awful. :(

This is the major reason why I use now APM on this machine. With APM,
all is working correctly!

Re: gnome-terminal

[Jochen Schulz]

Willie McKemie:
> 
> A while back, I stumbled on the gnome-terminal feature that allow one 
> to pass a URL to a browser very easily; I've become quite a fan of that 
> feature.  However, I have found it nowhere documented.  And, I have a 
> new install that calls up Konqueror rather than Firefox.  I've checked 
> gnome-terminal help, man gnome-terminal, and searched rc files.  No 
> luck.  Where is it?

gnome-terminal most probably uses the browser configured in "Desktop /
Preferences / Preferred Applications".

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Re: gnome-terminal

[Eric Cooper]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:03:46AM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote:
> A while back, I stumbled on the gnome-terminal feature that allow one 
> to pass a URL to a browser very easily; I've become quite a fan of that 
> feature.  However, I have found it nowhere documented.  And, I have a 
> new install that calls up Konqueror rather than Firefox.  I've checked 
> gnome-terminal help, man gnome-terminal, and searched rc files.  No 
> luck.  Where is it?

On my system, using Gnome, I use the
  Applications > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > Preferred Applications
menu and choose Web Browser.

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Re: gnome-terminal

[Willie McKemie]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:10:01PM -0400, Eric Cooper wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:03:46AM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote:
> > A while back, I stumbled on the gnome-terminal feature that allow one 
> > to pass a URL to a browser very easily; I've become quite a fan of that 
> > feature.  However, I have found it nowhere documented.  And, I have a 
> > new install that calls up Konqueror rather than Firefox.  I've checked 
> > gnome-terminal help, man gnome-terminal, and searched rc files.  No 
> > luck.  Where is it?
> 
> On my system, using Gnome, I use the
>   Applications > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > Preferred Applications
> menu and choose Web Browser.

Thanks to Eric, Jochem, and Vivek!  I am not at all familiar with Gnome 
or even desktop stuff.  I did find the thing under (apparently) 
Nautilus.  It was rather obscurely located on my Libranet 2.8.1 
desktop.  I wonder in what files those control parameters are stored.  
My terminal oriented mind wants to know.  I wonder where I should have 
found my own answer?

Anyway, my remotely running mutt now can supply URLs to my local 
Firefox.  For someone used to highlighting and pasting, it is a real 
thrill.

No answer on the KDE/Konqueror question.  Maybe Gnome is ahead of KDE 
in this area?

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Re: gnome-terminal

[Jochen Schulz]

Willie McKemie:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:10:01PM -0400, Eric Cooper wrote:
> > 
> > On my system, using Gnome, I use the
> >   Applications > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > Preferred Applications
> > menu and choose Web Browser.
> 
> Thanks to Eric, Jochem, and Vivek!  I am not at all familiar with Gnome 

s/Jochem/Jochen :)

> or even desktop stuff.  I did find the thing under (apparently) 
> Nautilus.  It was rather obscurely located on my Libranet 2.8.1 
> desktop.  I wonder in what files those control parameters are stored.  

Don't ask me where this stuff is saved in the file system but Gnome uses
the "gconf" system. Run gconf-editor to get an idea. It looks a bit like
the Windows registry but Gnome people don't like to hear that. ;-) The
only cool thing I know about it is that a running gnome-settings-daemon
informs running Gnome applications of changes. The downside is
gnome-seetings-daemon.

> My terminal oriented mind wants to know.  I wonder where I should have 
> found my own answer?

No idea.

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Re: Speedstep problem: empty /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0

[Richard Lupton]

I eventually solved this problem using the speedstep-smi module with
these options, which I found somewhere on the Internet:

modprobe speedstep-smi smi_port=0xb2 smi_cmd=0x82 smi_sig=1

Richard

On 7/7/05, Richard Lupton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've tried this, inserting all the modules in the cpufreq directory in
> various combinations, and loading some at boot time with /etc/modules,
> but still no luck. Any more ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 
> On 7/7/05, MJD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The module name is p4-clockmod.  Note that I am running Ubuntu linux with
> > the 2.6.11 kernel right this second. You may need a kernel recompile.  Just
> > try inserting random modules, sometimes that is what works for me!  There
> > are some cpufreq* modules to try inserting.
> >
> >
> > On 7/6/05, Richard Lupton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Unfortunately that doesn't work for me. The only non-speedstep-*
> > > module in there is acpi.ko, which fails with a similar message.
> > > I'll keep looking.
> > >
> > > On 7/6/05, MJD < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/05, Richard Lupton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for your help. However, using speedstep-ich has the same
> > result:
> > > > >
> > > > > % sudo modprobe speedstep-ich
> > > > > FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_ich
> > > > >
> > > >
> > (/lib/modules/2.6.12.2/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-
> > > > ich.ko):
> > > > > No such device
> > > >
> > > >  I managed to get that module to load by loading another module in that
> > > > folder.  I just happen to be using windows right now, so unforunately i
> > > > don't know the name of it.  Try loading other modules  (not
> > speedstep-*.ko)
> > > > One should let you load that one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: gnome-terminal

[Matej Cepl]

Willie McKemie wrote:
> No answer on the KDE/Konqueror question.  Maybe Gnome is ahead of KDE
> in this area?

In KDE this functionality has been for ages, but it is done in slightly
different way then in Gnome (I guess, no KDE user ever felt pressure to try
gnome-terminal, so they have no clue, what you were talking about) --
whenever URL gets to the clipboard by any means (not only from konsole,
which is an equivalent of gnome-terminal) klipper (which is small applet
making life with a clipboard a breeze) can raise up a pop-up window which
gives you options what to do with the it according to which URL it is
(e.g., for http:// it offers all installed browsers, for mailto: kmail or
mutt). Of course all that is configurable to the smallest detail in
klipper's settings. All that available at least since KDE 2.[12].

Best,

Matej

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Re: Problem with T42p, ipw2200 and ACPI

[Wang Xu]

> >> First one: ACPI doesn't suspend correctly (echo 3>/proc/acpi/sleep)
> >> the machine, sometimes it works, somtime not.
> > You might need kernel parameter "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" on some 
> > machine, which is working fine on my asus laptop.
> 
> Thanks for your reply ... I fell less alone ;)
> 
> I've already tried acpi_sleep=s3_bios, but no success :(
> 
> The sleep process seems to be stopped by mysqld, or just doesn't work.
> 
> 
yes, I met problem with mysqld also, and I shutdown it before 
suspending.

Another parameter about sleep is ``acpi_sleep=s3_mode'', you can
refer the kernel parameters document in the Documentation dir of 
kernel source.

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Newfish installing debian on Gatweay 4530GZ

[Ryan Leinweber]

I'm totally new to Linux and Debian and I would like to find out what
all the excitement is about. I would like to install Debian on my
gateway laptop but I need some help. My first question is:

What installation manual do I need to download? I think its the one
for i386 but I'm not sure. My notebook is running an Intel M 725 and I
don't know what Architecture that falls under.

Is there a guide that will help even the greenest user through an install?

Thanks!

Ryan