Re: powerbook and debian
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:07:53PM +0100, Angel wrote: > Are apple powerbooks and debian good friends? You may have a look at http://tuxmobil.org/apple.html there is a huge list of links to Linux installation reports on Apple laptops. There are different Linux distributions mentioned. IMHO PowerBooks are a good choice, but installing Debian to it needs some experience with Linux installations. Werner -- |=| Werner Heuser = Berliner Str. 122 = D-13187 Berlin = Germany |=| T. 0049 - (0)30 - 349 53 86 |=| http://TuxMobil.orgUniX on Mobile Systems: HOWTOs,Software |*| This is no time for phony rhetoric -- Lou Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thursday 22 January 2004 06:57, Russell Coker wrote: > Or APM. APM works fine on all 2.4.x kernels on all laptops I've tried, it > seems broken in 2.6 though. APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS A1300 laptop. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
automatic config of wireless when no cable is plugged
Hi, I have a Dell D600 running Debian/sid. The box is equipped with a "3Com 11 a/b/g Wireless PC Card" in addition to the default "Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5702 Gigabit Ethernet" The wireless interface runs nicely at 54Mb/s using the atheros driver extracted from the CVS server of the madwifi project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ However, I would like to have the wireless interface automatically configured whenever the network cable is not plugged, otherwise not. Currently, I have the ifplugd daemon installed which takes care of my eth0, but ifplugd does not seem to notice ath0 $ cat /etc/default/ifplugd INTERFACES="eth0" HOTPLUG_INTERFACES="ath0" ARGS="-q -f -u0 -d10 -w -I" SUSPEND_ACTION="stop" I have googled a lot to solve this issue, but without success. This inclines me to think that this is very simple and that I have just screwed up somewhere down the line. All comments are appreciated. Pål -- Pål Dahle Norwegian Computing Center Research ScientistGaustadalléen 23 Tel: (+47) 22 85 26 41P.B. 114 Blindern Fax: (+47) 22 69 76 60NO-0314 Oslo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:05, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 22 January 2004 06:57, Russell Coker wrote: > > Or APM. APM works fine on all 2.4.x kernels on all laptops I've tried, > > it seems broken in 2.6 though. > > APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS A1300 > laptop. Do you have apmd installed? What happens when you do an APM suspend? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thursday 22 January 2004 10:17, Russell Coker wrote: > > APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS > > A1300 laptop. > > Do you have apmd installed? What happens when you do an APM suspend? Can't say, as I have never done that. I haven't felt the need to. I turn it on when I need to, and turn it off again when I don't need it any more. So from my perspective apm "works" as long as the fans start up before the cpu burns a whole through the keyboard. ACPI didn't do that before kernel 2.6, so the way I saw it, APM worked and ACPI didn't. Now I get even better power management with ACPI, so now I only run that. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerbook and debian
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: > I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS > is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any RedHat... Y. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian vs... ? (was RE: powerbook and debian)
Hi everybody, This might be off-topic, but Yves started it :) We're evaluating a professional platform that can run enterprise applications. We need reliability, good threading, responsiveness, stability, performance, but also easy management (if there's such a thing) and good support. Sadly, the rest of the team is completely going the RedHat way, because... it's supported. They have a yearly maintenance fee to help you out to do stuff. What this stuff is, I don't know, probably things that you don't know if you're not a linux/RedHat export. I am _definitely_ a debian fan and my gut feeling tells me it's better than RH for sure. I really don't like the way RH charges you, the way it installs, the way it's maintained... You get the idea. So could anybody give serious reasons as to why RH is bad, Debian is better ? I've looked on Google but I didn't find a real serious report. Thanks a lot ! --Stéphane -Original Message- From: Yves Rutschle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:21 AM To: Raymond Wan Cc: Angel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: powerbook and debian On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: > I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS > is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any RedHat... Y. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs... ? (was RE: powerbook and debian)
Remember that distros can be merged. Using Red Hat or Mandrake, I installed using tarball. Using Debian, I used 'alien' to get RPMs into .deb format, and I still use tarballs. I believe Alan Cox once used the term "Slackhat" as an example of such hybrids. My point is: you can pick distro X because you like how it installs, and then still use distro Y's upgrade strategies. Personally, I'd still say the best support site for Linux is www.tldp.org, the Linux Documentation Project. > Hi everybody, > > This might be off-topic, but Yves started it :) > > We're evaluating a professional platform that can run enterprise > applications. We need reliability, good threading, responsiveness, > stability, performance, but also easy management (if there's such a thing) > and good support. > > Sadly, the rest of the team is completely going the RedHat way, because... > it's supported. They have a yearly maintenance fee to help you out to do > stuff. What this stuff is, I don't know, probably things that you don't know > if you're not a linux/RedHat export. > > I am _definitely_ a debian fan and my gut feeling tells me it's better than > RH for sure. I really don't like the way RH charges you, the way it > installs, the way it's maintained... You get the idea. > > So could anybody give serious reasons as to why RH is bad, Debian is better > ? I've looked on Google but I didn't find a real serious report. > > Thanks a lot ! > > --Stéphane > > -Original Message- > From: Yves Rutschle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:21 AM > To: Raymond Wan > Cc: Angel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: powerbook and debian > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: > > I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS > > is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. > > Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any > RedHat... > > Y. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs... ? (was RE: powerbook and debian)
Hello Stephanie, Here are some ideas you might use. Debian Testing, can use a 2.6.x kernel, today. I do not believe, but I'm not certain, that RH does not TODAY have 2.6.x kernels available. What's important about 2.6.x ? a. Security. Russell Coker's work on the NSA's SElinux code is going to be the basis for excellent security. OpenBSD has really tight security, but, it's not very newbie friendly, some would say 'the_rat' culture only attracts those with elite skills b. Lots of embedded devices will build out much easier from sources as the uClinux and many other code advancements are available c. (hopefully transparent) distributed processing via OpenMosix across heterogenous processors and retworked resources,is the future for business desiring to minimize their equipment costs, while simultaneously ensuring redundancy of resources, and all priority tasks are running and not block in resouce_waiting. d. video4linux simple the coolest way for people to implement all sorts of video, including Mpeg4_part10.(aka h.264).. e. ALSA (I've gotta a pal that putting 50,000 watts of custom built professional audio gear on this bad_boy.. A Mixxx on a Debian protable, and you have a DJ abilities he calls 'sonic armageddon' f. just to name a few that have me totally excited. Debian is the best distro to work/implement the newest and coolest things on thanks to russell, really tight linux security is now possible on 2.6.x kernels, and in the near future, their (should) will be interface tools that make excellent security, almost easy. Note, most of what I have mentioned above is possible, with most forms of linux on 2.4.x kernels, with lots of patches and hacks. Debian makes all of this fun and stimulating. Another approach to take, is let the others use RedHat. You use Debian. Let them waist time and money. You can find a really good Debian consultant to help yourself(if you need it. I'm guessing you do not really need help). You run more (debian) servers and features that they do not have running or 'happy' on RH. Competition, which is healthy, is over It all really depends on what your organization needs. Find the weaknesses in Redhat, and fix them with Debian, or just listen to the coffee break complainers, and set up a solution on a Debian server or system. Debian Installer-2 is almost a nice package. For the SOHO, here is a nice, but new effort on KDE-debian They are going to build a distro CD speciifically for SOHO needs: http://www.produktivit.com/kde-debian-soho-linux.html goodluck, James Provost, Stephane wrote: Hi everybody, This might be off-topic, but Yves started it :) We're evaluating a professional platform that can run enterprise applications. We need reliability, good threading, responsiveness, stability, performance, but also easy management (if there's such a thing) and good support. Sadly, the rest of the team is completely going the RedHat way, because... it's supported. They have a yearly maintenance fee to help you out to do stuff. What this stuff is, I don't know, probably things that you don't know if you're not a linux/RedHat export. I am _definitely_ a debian fan and my gut feeling tells me it's better than RH for sure. I really don't like the way RH charges you, the way it installs, the way it's maintained... You get the idea. So could anybody give serious reasons as to why RH is bad, Debian is better ? I've looked on Google but I didn't find a real serious report. Thanks a lot ! --Stéphane -Original Message- From: Yves Rutschle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:21 AM To: Raymond Wan Cc: Angel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: powerbook and debian On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any RedHat... Y. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 22 January 2004 10:17, Russell Coker wrote: > > > APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS > > > A1300 laptop. > > > > Do you have apmd installed? What happens when you do an APM suspend? > > Can't say, as I have never done that. I haven't felt the need to. I turn it > on when I need to, and turn it off again when I don't need it any more. > > So from my perspective apm "works" as long as the fans start up before the > cpu burns a whole through the keyboard. Therefore you have not tested Linux APM support at all! Probably if you test it you will discover that it doesn't work. APM does not permit the OS to control fans etc. It is totally different to ACPI. The fact that your fan works is a matter of hardware and BIOS, if it didn't work then it would not be any fault of Linux's APM. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thursday 22 January 2004 19:11, Russell Coker wrote: > > So from my perspective apm "works" as long as the fans start up before > > the cpu burns a whole through the keyboard. > > Therefore you have not tested Linux APM support at all! Probably if you > test it you will discover that it doesn't work. > > APM does not permit the OS to control fans etc. It is totally different to > ACPI. The fact that your fan works is a matter of hardware and BIOS, if it > didn't work then it would not be any fault of Linux's APM. How do you then explain that without APM or ACPI, the fans do not start up leaving the system frozen after even small amounts of CPU load? Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
Hello, i searched google and ebay up and down, asked me through several irc channels and crawled more than a dozen of selling platforms in the internet but i couldn't find an USB PCMCIA Adapter for my old (i don't think it's old) Laptop which has no 32bit Cardbus but only 16bit PCMCIA. So i ask you - did someone of you ever heard about an USB Adapter which can be used with 16bit PCMCIA interface? You're my last hope. Greetings, Marcel Meckel. -- http://debian.thermoman.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:21:26PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > How do you then explain that without APM or ACPI, the fans do not start up > leaving the system frozen after even small amounts of CPU load? If the fans don't start up, your system freezes? That's unexepected, I'd thought it'd melt down. :-) Y. - sorry, couldn't help myself -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
Incoming from Marcel Meckel: > > i searched google and ebay up and down, asked me through several irc > channels and crawled more than a dozen of selling platforms in the > internet but i couldn't find an USB PCMCIA Adapter for my old (i don't > think it's old) Laptop which has no 32bit Cardbus but only 16bit > PCMCIA. > > So i ask you - did someone of you ever heard about an USB Adapter > which can be used with 16bit PCMCIA interface? I'm speaking from ignorance here, but are you sure it's not backward compatible? Ie., maybe Cardbus slots can accept/handle 16 bit pcmcia/pccard? Have you tried it? -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
> Incoming from Marcel Meckel: > > So i ask you - did someone of you ever heard about an USB Adapter > > which can be used with 16bit PCMCIA interface? > I'm speaking from ignorance here, but are you sure it's not backward > compatible? Ie., maybe Cardbus slots can accept/handle 16 bit > pcmcia/pccard? Have you tried it? You don't understand me :) 32bit Cardbus is downwards compatible, sure. You can insert a 16bit PCMCIA card into 21bit Cardbus slot. But: You can *not* insert a 32bit Cardbus Card into a 16bit PCMCIA slot. And my laptop has such an ancient :) 16bit PCMCIA interface, not a 32bit Cardbus one. Marcel. -- - Bitte beachten: Registrierter http://thermoman.de/mailpolicy/Linux User #307343 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
Russell Coker wrote: > Or APM. APM works fine on all 2.4.x kernels on all laptops I've tried, it > seems broken in 2.6 though. I'm running 2.6.1-mm4 on a ThinkPad R40 2722-CDG with APM. Suspend and Hibernation work as well as in 2.4.24. They didn't in earlier versions of 2.6, though... I didn't get ACPI suspend dto work with any kernel I tried :) Cheers, Mika -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just some questions
On Wednesday, 21. January 2004 23:48, M. Mueller wrote: > Try Knoppix first - runs off CD. Then google on how to load Knoppix > to your hard disk. On my new laptop, Asus M6800N, Knoppix V 3.3 always freezes if I'm working with the ac-adaptor, without mostly not. Now it runs with SuSE 9.0, but this is not my favourite. Next week I will try a Sarge netinstall, Debian is my favourite, nothing else. Of course, Knoppix is very good for the first tests running from CD. Bye, Hermann -- registered Linux-User #260646 on Debian GNU/Linux Woody 2.4.18 Microsoftfree one - I have no Windows! Don't let them take YOUR RIGHTS! - http://www.againsttcpa.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cursor problem please help!!!!!
i am very sorry if this isn't anything you can be bothered about, but if you have any info to impart on it, you will be a figure of myth and legend, and my hero, and there will be a movie about you and it will be huge. or whatever you like, cars, houses... here it is: just got a toshiba laptop because we had this wretched little compaq (that we will now drive over with an SUV and crush to a fine dust). the compaq had this nefarious little quirk... as you passed the cursor over anything, an icon or text, it would, as IT chose, select said icon (opening things left and right) or said text (highlighting blocks of text) without you clicking on them. it was extraordinarily disruptive, as it did it constantly. i thought this was just a freakish curse on me, and once the compaq was 86ed, my nerve damage could begin to dissipate. because this just couldn't possibly happen on a new computer, because it can't ever have happened in the first place... because it is just too stupid and bizarre. so imagine my surprise when the minute i start typing on the brand new toshiba, the very same thing is happening, with the same frequency. i feel like it might have to do with static electricity, i don't even know why i think that, but it's all that comes to me, and i am one of those lucky people who gets violent, bloodcurdling shocks when exiting cars and touching light switches. do you have any idea? is it very fundamental and i am just ignorant? please, i beg you, any help or advice will be so very very greatly appreciated, thank you thank you so much for any help... lisa
Re: cursor problem please help!!!!!
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > just got a toshiba laptop because we had this wretched little compaq (that > we will now drive over with an SUV and crush to a fine dust). the compaq > had this nefarious little quirk... as you passed the cursor over anything, > an icon or text, it would, as IT chose, select said icon (opening things > left and right) or said text (highlighting blocks of text) without you What version of Debian (see /etc/issue)? Are you using KDE or GNOME? What version of the kernel (see the output of "uname -a")? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cursor problem please help!!!!!
Most likely a mouse misconfigured, or a touchpad with tapping enabled? Try disabling tapping from the touchpad is what springs to my mind. On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i am very sorry if this isn't anything you can be bothered about, but if you > have any info to impart on it, you will be a figure of myth and legend, and my > hero, and there will be a movie about you and it will be huge. or whatever > you like, cars, houses... here it is: > > just got a toshiba laptop because we had this wretched little compaq (that we > will now drive over with an SUV and crush to a fine dust). the compaq had > this nefarious little quirk... as you passed the cursor over anything, an icon or > text, it would, as IT chose, select said icon (opening things left and right) > or said text (highlighting blocks of text) without you clicking on them. it > was extraordinarily disruptive, as it did it constantly. > > i thought this was just a freakish curse on me, and once the compaq was 86ed, > my nerve damage could begin to dissipate. because this just couldn't possibly > happen on a new computer, because it can't ever have happened in the first > place... because it is just too stupid and bizarre. > > so imagine my surprise when the minute i start typing on the brand new > toshiba, the very same thing is happening, with the same frequency. i feel like it > might have to do with static electricity, i don't even know why i think that, > but it's all that comes to me, and i am one of those lucky people who gets > violent, bloodcurdling shocks when exiting cars and touching light switches. > > do you have any idea? is it very fundamental and i am just ignorant? please, > i beg you, any help or advice will be so very very greatly appreciated, thank > you thank you so much for any help... > > lisa > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions on ACPI
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:21, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > APM does not permit the OS to control fans etc. It is totally different > > to ACPI. The fact that your fan works is a matter of hardware and BIOS, > > if it didn't work then it would not be any fault of Linux's APM. > > How do you then explain that without APM or ACPI, the fans do not start up > leaving the system frozen after even small amounts of CPU load? Your laptop is broken and will never work with DOS, memtest86, etc. The BIOS must control the fans when the OS doesn't, otherwise it will be incapable of running non-ACPI OSs. What model of laptop do you have? It's something that the rest of us should try to avoid. You don't want to purchase a machine that can't run memtest86... -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just some questions
On 22.01.2004 18:11 Hermann Moser wrote: On Wednesday, 21. January 2004 23:48, M. Mueller wrote: Try Knoppix first - runs off CD. Then google on how to load Knoppix to your hard disk. On my new laptop, Asus M6800N, Knoppix V 3.3 always freezes if I'm working with the ac-adaptor, without mostly not. Now it runs with SuSE 9.0, but this is not my favourite. Next week I will try a Sarge netinstall, Debian is my favourite, nothing else. Hi Hermann, I had the same problem here with my still brandly new Acer Travelmate 803LMiB -- Knoppix 3.3 just freezes by starting X. We worked out, that we were able to do the same thing with Gnoppix. By the way -- if you want to make a hard drive installation of such a live CD, I would recommend Gnoppix, as it is a clean stable Debian (with backports, for sure). I used it for the installation on this laptop and upgraded from stable to unstable to get the bleeding edge ;-) Bye, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cursor problem please help!!!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so imagine my surprise when the minute i start typing on the brand new toshiba, the very same thing is happening, with the same frequency. i feel like it might have to do with static electricity, i don't even know why i think that, but it's all that comes to me, and i am one of those lucky people who gets violent, bloodcurdling shocks when exiting cars and touching light switches. You are most likely hitting the touchpad with your thumb, which tends to rest on the bottom of the keyboard when not hitting the spacebar. -- -- Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
Marcel Meckel wrote: You don't understand me :) 32bit Cardbus is downwards compatible, sure. You can insert a 16bit PCMCIA card into 32bit Cardbus slot. But: You can *not* insert a 32bit Cardbus Card into a 16bit PCMCIA slot. And my laptop has such an ancient :) 16bit PCMCIA interface, not a 32bit Cardbus one. Never heard of one and I'm a hardware tech. for over 4 years. Please tell us what make and model of laptop you have and what card you are trying to use. You may be able to find a used 16-bit card on ebay to do what you want. If not, that's one of the drawbacks of using an old laptop. Me, I have to deal w/ no sound on an old 233, because the chip won't activate, but everything else works. Some old laptops have no USB (sounds like this may be your problem). You may have to deal with this in another way, such as mounting the drive or device you want on another box and use it remotely. Be creative -- Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerbook and debian
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:07:53PM +0100, Angel wrote: > Are apple powerbooks and debian good friends? You may have a look at http://tuxmobil.org/apple.html there is a huge list of links to Linux installation reports on Apple laptops. There are different Linux distributions mentioned. IMHO PowerBooks are a good choice, but installing Debian to it needs some experience with Linux installations. Werner -- |=| Werner Heuser = Berliner Str. 122 = D-13187 Berlin = Germany |=| T. 0049 - (0)30 - 349 53 86 |=| http://TuxMobil.orgUniX on Mobile Systems: HOWTOs,Software |*| This is no time for phony rhetoric -- Lou Reed
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thursday 22 January 2004 06:57, Russell Coker wrote: > Or APM. APM works fine on all 2.4.x kernels on all laptops I've tried, it > seems broken in 2.6 though. APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS A1300 laptop. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux
automatic config of wireless when no cable is plugged
Hi, I have a Dell D600 running Debian/sid. The box is equipped with a "3Com 11 a/b/g Wireless PC Card" in addition to the default "Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5702 Gigabit Ethernet" The wireless interface runs nicely at 54Mb/s using the atheros driver extracted from the CVS server of the madwifi project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ However, I would like to have the wireless interface automatically configured whenever the network cable is not plugged, otherwise not. Currently, I have the ifplugd daemon installed which takes care of my eth0, but ifplugd does not seem to notice ath0 $ cat /etc/default/ifplugd INTERFACES="eth0" HOTPLUG_INTERFACES="ath0" ARGS="-q -f -u0 -d10 -w -I" SUSPEND_ACTION="stop" I have googled a lot to solve this issue, but without success. This inclines me to think that this is very simple and that I have just screwed up somewhere down the line. All comments are appreciated. Pål -- Pål Dahle Norwegian Computing Center Research ScientistGaustadalléen 23 Tel: (+47) 22 85 26 41P.B. 114 Blindern Fax: (+47) 22 69 76 60NO-0314 Oslo
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:05, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 22 January 2004 06:57, Russell Coker wrote: > > Or APM. APM works fine on all 2.4.x kernels on all laptops I've tried, > > it seems broken in 2.6 though. > > APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS A1300 > laptop. Do you have apmd installed? What happens when you do an APM suspend? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thursday 22 January 2004 10:17, Russell Coker wrote: > > APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS > > A1300 laptop. > > Do you have apmd installed? What happens when you do an APM suspend? Can't say, as I have never done that. I haven't felt the need to. I turn it on when I need to, and turn it off again when I don't need it any more. So from my perspective apm "works" as long as the fans start up before the cpu burns a whole through the keyboard. ACPI didn't do that before kernel 2.6, so the way I saw it, APM worked and ACPI didn't. Now I get even better power management with ACPI, so now I only run that. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux
Re: powerbook and debian
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: > I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS > is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any RedHat... Y.
Debian vs... ? (was RE: powerbook and debian)
Hi everybody, This might be off-topic, but Yves started it :) We're evaluating a professional platform that can run enterprise applications. We need reliability, good threading, responsiveness, stability, performance, but also easy management (if there's such a thing) and good support. Sadly, the rest of the team is completely going the RedHat way, because... it's supported. They have a yearly maintenance fee to help you out to do stuff. What this stuff is, I don't know, probably things that you don't know if you're not a linux/RedHat export. I am _definitely_ a debian fan and my gut feeling tells me it's better than RH for sure. I really don't like the way RH charges you, the way it installs, the way it's maintained... You get the idea. So could anybody give serious reasons as to why RH is bad, Debian is better ? I've looked on Google but I didn't find a real serious report. Thanks a lot ! --Stéphane -Original Message- From: Yves Rutschle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:21 AM To: Raymond Wan Cc: Angel; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: powerbook and debian On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: > I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS > is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any RedHat... Y.
Re: Debian vs... ? (was RE: powerbook and debian)
Remember that distros can be merged. Using Red Hat or Mandrake, I installed using tarball. Using Debian, I used 'alien' to get RPMs into .deb format, and I still use tarballs. I believe Alan Cox once used the term "Slackhat" as an example of such hybrids. My point is: you can pick distro X because you like how it installs, and then still use distro Y's upgrade strategies. Personally, I'd still say the best support site for Linux is www.tldp.org, the Linux Documentation Project. > Hi everybody, > > This might be off-topic, but Yves started it :) > > We're evaluating a professional platform that can run enterprise > applications. We need reliability, good threading, responsiveness, > stability, performance, but also easy management (if there's such a thing) > and good support. > > Sadly, the rest of the team is completely going the RedHat way, because... > it's supported. They have a yearly maintenance fee to help you out to do > stuff. What this stuff is, I don't know, probably things that you don't know > if you're not a linux/RedHat export. > > I am _definitely_ a debian fan and my gut feeling tells me it's better than > RH for sure. I really don't like the way RH charges you, the way it > installs, the way it's maintained... You get the idea. > > So could anybody give serious reasons as to why RH is bad, Debian is better > ? I've looked on Google but I didn't find a real serious report. > > Thanks a lot ! > > --Stéphane > > -Original Message- > From: Yves Rutschle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:21 AM > To: Raymond Wan > Cc: Angel; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: powerbook and debian > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: > > I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS > > is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. > > Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any > RedHat... > > Y. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Debian vs... ? (was RE: powerbook and debian)
Hello Stephanie, Here are some ideas you might use. Debian Testing, can use a 2.6.x kernel, today. I do not believe, but I'm not certain, that RH does not TODAY have 2.6.x kernels available. What's important about 2.6.x ? a. Security. Russell Coker's work on the NSA's SElinux code is going to be the basis for excellent security. OpenBSD has really tight security, but, it's not very newbie friendly, some would say 'the_rat' culture only attracts those with elite skills b. Lots of embedded devices will build out much easier from sources as the uClinux and many other code advancements are available c. (hopefully transparent) distributed processing via OpenMosix across heterogenous processors and retworked resources,is the future for business desiring to minimize their equipment costs, while simultaneously ensuring redundancy of resources, and all priority tasks are running and not block in resouce_waiting. d. video4linux simple the coolest way for people to implement all sorts of video, including Mpeg4_part10.(aka h.264).. e. ALSA (I've gotta a pal that putting 50,000 watts of custom built professional audio gear on this bad_boy.. A Mixxx on a Debian protable, and you have a DJ abilities he calls 'sonic armageddon' f. just to name a few that have me totally excited. Debian is the best distro to work/implement the newest and coolest things on thanks to russell, really tight linux security is now possible on 2.6.x kernels, and in the near future, their (should) will be interface tools that make excellent security, almost easy. Note, most of what I have mentioned above is possible, with most forms of linux on 2.4.x kernels, with lots of patches and hacks. Debian makes all of this fun and stimulating. Another approach to take, is let the others use RedHat. You use Debian. Let them waist time and money. You can find a really good Debian consultant to help yourself(if you need it. I'm guessing you do not really need help). You run more (debian) servers and features that they do not have running or 'happy' on RH. Competition, which is healthy, is over It all really depends on what your organization needs. Find the weaknesses in Redhat, and fix them with Debian, or just listen to the coffee break complainers, and set up a solution on a Debian server or system. Debian Installer-2 is almost a nice package. For the SOHO, here is a nice, but new effort on KDE-debian They are going to build a distro CD speciifically for SOHO needs: http://www.produktivit.com/kde-debian-soho-linux.html goodluck, James Provost, Stephane wrote: Hi everybody, This might be off-topic, but Yves started it :) We're evaluating a professional platform that can run enterprise applications. We need reliability, good threading, responsiveness, stability, performance, but also easy management (if there's such a thing) and good support. Sadly, the rest of the team is completely going the RedHat way, because... it's supported. They have a yearly maintenance fee to help you out to do stuff. What this stuff is, I don't know, probably things that you don't know if you're not a linux/RedHat export. I am _definitely_ a debian fan and my gut feeling tells me it's better than RH for sure. I really don't like the way RH charges you, the way it installs, the way it's maintained... You get the idea. So could anybody give serious reasons as to why RH is bad, Debian is better ? I've looked on Google but I didn't find a real serious report. Thanks a lot ! --Stéphane -Original Message- From: Yves Rutschle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:21 AM To: Raymond Wan Cc: Angel; debian-laptop@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: powerbook and debian On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:10:45PM +1100, Raymond Wan wrote: I have no experience with Mac OS, either, but I heard that the OS is based on Unix, so I don't see a reason for installing Debian over it. Surely, the same reasons as installing Debian over any RedHat... Y.
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 22 January 2004 10:17, Russell Coker wrote: > > > APM works here. As does ACPI. Running Kernel 2.6 from sid on an ASUS > > > A1300 laptop. > > > > Do you have apmd installed? What happens when you do an APM suspend? > > Can't say, as I have never done that. I haven't felt the need to. I turn it > on when I need to, and turn it off again when I don't need it any more. > > So from my perspective apm "works" as long as the fans start up before the > cpu burns a whole through the keyboard. Therefore you have not tested Linux APM support at all! Probably if you test it you will discover that it doesn't work. APM does not permit the OS to control fans etc. It is totally different to ACPI. The fact that your fan works is a matter of hardware and BIOS, if it didn't work then it would not be any fault of Linux's APM. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thursday 22 January 2004 19:11, Russell Coker wrote: > > So from my perspective apm "works" as long as the fans start up before > > the cpu burns a whole through the keyboard. > > Therefore you have not tested Linux APM support at all! Probably if you > test it you will discover that it doesn't work. > > APM does not permit the OS to control fans etc. It is totally different to > ACPI. The fact that your fan works is a matter of hardware and BIOS, if it > didn't work then it would not be any fault of Linux's APM. How do you then explain that without APM or ACPI, the fans do not start up leaving the system frozen after even small amounts of CPU load? Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux
USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
Hello, i searched google and ebay up and down, asked me through several irc channels and crawled more than a dozen of selling platforms in the internet but i couldn't find an USB PCMCIA Adapter for my old (i don't think it's old) Laptop which has no 32bit Cardbus but only 16bit PCMCIA. So i ask you - did someone of you ever heard about an USB Adapter which can be used with 16bit PCMCIA interface? You're my last hope. Greetings, Marcel Meckel. -- http://debian.thermoman.de/
Re: questions on ACPI
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:21:26PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > How do you then explain that without APM or ACPI, the fans do not start up > leaving the system frozen after even small amounts of CPU load? If the fans don't start up, your system freezes? That's unexepected, I'd thought it'd melt down. :-) Y. - sorry, couldn't help myself
Re: USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
Incoming from Marcel Meckel: > > i searched google and ebay up and down, asked me through several irc > channels and crawled more than a dozen of selling platforms in the > internet but i couldn't find an USB PCMCIA Adapter for my old (i don't > think it's old) Laptop which has no 32bit Cardbus but only 16bit > PCMCIA. > > So i ask you - did someone of you ever heard about an USB Adapter > which can be used with 16bit PCMCIA interface? I'm speaking from ignorance here, but are you sure it's not backward compatible? Ie., maybe Cardbus slots can accept/handle 16 bit pcmcia/pccard? Have you tried it? -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - -
Re: USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
> Incoming from Marcel Meckel: > > So i ask you - did someone of you ever heard about an USB Adapter > > which can be used with 16bit PCMCIA interface? > I'm speaking from ignorance here, but are you sure it's not backward > compatible? Ie., maybe Cardbus slots can accept/handle 16 bit > pcmcia/pccard? Have you tried it? You don't understand me :) 32bit Cardbus is downwards compatible, sure. You can insert a 16bit PCMCIA card into 21bit Cardbus slot. But: You can *not* insert a 32bit Cardbus Card into a 16bit PCMCIA slot. And my laptop has such an ancient :) 16bit PCMCIA interface, not a 32bit Cardbus one. Marcel. -- - Bitte beachten: Registrierter http://thermoman.de/mailpolicy/Linux User #307343 -
Re: questions on ACPI
Russell Coker wrote: > Or APM. APM works fine on all 2.4.x kernels on all laptops I've tried, it > seems broken in 2.6 though. I'm running 2.6.1-mm4 on a ThinkPad R40 2722-CDG with APM. Suspend and Hibernation work as well as in 2.4.24. They didn't in earlier versions of 2.6, though... I didn't get ACPI suspend dto work with any kernel I tried :) Cheers, Mika
Re: Just some questions
On Wednesday, 21. January 2004 23:48, M. Mueller wrote: > Try Knoppix first - runs off CD. Then google on how to load Knoppix > to your hard disk. On my new laptop, Asus M6800N, Knoppix V 3.3 always freezes if I'm working with the ac-adaptor, without mostly not. Now it runs with SuSE 9.0, but this is not my favourite. Next week I will try a Sarge netinstall, Debian is my favourite, nothing else. Of course, Knoppix is very good for the first tests running from CD. Bye, Hermann -- registered Linux-User #260646 on Debian GNU/Linux Woody 2.4.18 Microsoftfree one - I have no Windows! Don't let them take YOUR RIGHTS! - http://www.againsttcpa.com
cursor problem please help!!!!!
i am very sorry if this isn't anything you can be bothered about, but if you have any info to impart on it, you will be a figure of myth and legend, and my hero, and there will be a movie about you and it will be huge. or whatever you like, cars, houses... here it is: just got a toshiba laptop because we had this wretched little compaq (that we will now drive over with an SUV and crush to a fine dust). the compaq had this nefarious little quirk... as you passed the cursor over anything, an icon or text, it would, as IT chose, select said icon (opening things left and right) or said text (highlighting blocks of text) without you clicking on them. it was extraordinarily disruptive, as it did it constantly. i thought this was just a freakish curse on me, and once the compaq was 86ed, my nerve damage could begin to dissipate. because this just couldn't possibly happen on a new computer, because it can't ever have happened in the first place... because it is just too stupid and bizarre. so imagine my surprise when the minute i start typing on the brand new toshiba, the very same thing is happening, with the same frequency. i feel like it might have to do with static electricity, i don't even know why i think that, but it's all that comes to me, and i am one of those lucky people who gets violent, bloodcurdling shocks when exiting cars and touching light switches. do you have any idea? is it very fundamental and i am just ignorant? please, i beg you, any help or advice will be so very very greatly appreciated, thank you thank you so much for any help... lisa
Re: cursor problem please help!!!!!
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > just got a toshiba laptop because we had this wretched little compaq (that > we will now drive over with an SUV and crush to a fine dust). the compaq > had this nefarious little quirk... as you passed the cursor over anything, > an icon or text, it would, as IT chose, select said icon (opening things > left and right) or said text (highlighting blocks of text) without you What version of Debian (see /etc/issue)? Are you using KDE or GNOME? What version of the kernel (see the output of "uname -a")? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: cursor problem please help!!!!!
Most likely a mouse misconfigured, or a touchpad with tapping enabled? Try disabling tapping from the touchpad is what springs to my mind. On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i am very sorry if this isn't anything you can be bothered about, but if you > have any info to impart on it, you will be a figure of myth and legend, and my > hero, and there will be a movie about you and it will be huge. or whatever > you like, cars, houses... here it is: > > just got a toshiba laptop because we had this wretched little compaq (that we > will now drive over with an SUV and crush to a fine dust). the compaq had > this nefarious little quirk... as you passed the cursor over anything, an > icon or > text, it would, as IT chose, select said icon (opening things left and right) > or said text (highlighting blocks of text) without you clicking on them. it > was extraordinarily disruptive, as it did it constantly. > > i thought this was just a freakish curse on me, and once the compaq was 86ed, > my nerve damage could begin to dissipate. because this just couldn't possibly > happen on a new computer, because it can't ever have happened in the first > place... because it is just too stupid and bizarre. > > so imagine my surprise when the minute i start typing on the brand new > toshiba, the very same thing is happening, with the same frequency. i feel > like it > might have to do with static electricity, i don't even know why i think that, > but it's all that comes to me, and i am one of those lucky people who gets > violent, bloodcurdling shocks when exiting cars and touching light switches. > > do you have any idea? is it very fundamental and i am just ignorant? please, > i beg you, any help or advice will be so very very greatly appreciated, thank > you thank you so much for any help... > > lisa >
Re: questions on ACPI
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:21, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > APM does not permit the OS to control fans etc. It is totally different > > to ACPI. The fact that your fan works is a matter of hardware and BIOS, > > if it didn't work then it would not be any fault of Linux's APM. > > How do you then explain that without APM or ACPI, the fans do not start up > leaving the system frozen after even small amounts of CPU load? Your laptop is broken and will never work with DOS, memtest86, etc. The BIOS must control the fans when the OS doesn't, otherwise it will be incapable of running non-ACPI OSs. What model of laptop do you have? It's something that the rest of us should try to avoid. You don't want to purchase a machine that can't run memtest86... -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Just some questions
On 22.01.2004 18:11 Hermann Moser wrote: On Wednesday, 21. January 2004 23:48, M. Mueller wrote: Try Knoppix first - runs off CD. Then google on how to load Knoppix to your hard disk. On my new laptop, Asus M6800N, Knoppix V 3.3 always freezes if I'm working with the ac-adaptor, without mostly not. Now it runs with SuSE 9.0, but this is not my favourite. Next week I will try a Sarge netinstall, Debian is my favourite, nothing else. Hi Hermann, I had the same problem here with my still brandly new Acer Travelmate 803LMiB -- Knoppix 3.3 just freezes by starting X. We worked out, that we were able to do the same thing with Gnoppix. By the way -- if you want to make a hard drive installation of such a live CD, I would recommend Gnoppix, as it is a clean stable Debian (with backports, for sure). I used it for the installation on this laptop and upgraded from stable to unstable to get the bleeding edge ;-) Bye, Martin
Re: cursor problem please help!!!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so imagine my surprise when the minute i start typing on the brand new toshiba, the very same thing is happening, with the same frequency. i feel like it might have to do with static electricity, i don't even know why i think that, but it's all that comes to me, and i am one of those lucky people who gets violent, bloodcurdling shocks when exiting cars and touching light switches. You are most likely hitting the touchpad with your thumb, which tends to rest on the bottom of the keyboard when not hitting the spacebar. -- -- Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot.
Re: USB Adapter not for Cardbus but 16bit PCMCIA
Marcel Meckel wrote: You don't understand me :) 32bit Cardbus is downwards compatible, sure. You can insert a 16bit PCMCIA card into 32bit Cardbus slot. But: You can *not* insert a 32bit Cardbus Card into a 16bit PCMCIA slot. And my laptop has such an ancient :) 16bit PCMCIA interface, not a 32bit Cardbus one. Never heard of one and I'm a hardware tech. for over 4 years. Please tell us what make and model of laptop you have and what card you are trying to use. You may be able to find a used 16-bit card on ebay to do what you want. If not, that's one of the drawbacks of using an old laptop. Me, I have to deal w/ no sound on an old 233, because the chip won't activate, but everything else works. Some old laptops have no USB (sounds like this may be your problem). You may have to deal with this in another way, such as mounting the drive or device you want on another box and use it remotely. Be creative -- Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot.
