Re: SmartStep 250N installation linux howto

2003-08-11 Thread Werner Heuser
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:28:54PM -0500, Igor TAmara wrote:
> Hi, this is to let you know that I wrote a Howto, I hope it helps
> someone.

I have made at link from the Linux Laptop and Notebook Survey:
http://tuxmobil.org/dell.html

Werner

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Re: How should I manage multiple wireless lan configs?

2003-08-11 Thread Sam Clegg
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 12:08:35PM +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
> > Seems simple enough to do. Windows does it. I just can't figure out
> > which config files to tweak in Debian.
> 
> You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, and use the support in the
> 'wireless-tools' package for configuring these values there.

Or linux-wlan-ng, if you use these drivers.  Seems to support the
same sytax for interface defintion, which is nice.
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USB hard drive problem.

2003-08-11 Thread debianlaptop
Hi,
I recently set up my laptop (running debian 3.0, with
latest 2.4.18-bf24 kernel) to read from my archos jukebox 20
portable hard-drive/mp3 player by adding the following line to my
/etc/fstab

/dev/sda1   /archos  auto   rw,noauto,user,gid=users,uid=ferrando,umask=
033 0 0

the first time I added this line and tried mount /archos, it worked (which
was nice).
If I boot up the laptop with the drive connected then it works fine,
however if I boot up the laptop then connect the drive and try to mount
/archos then I get

mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device

and /proc/scsi/usb/usb-storage, although existing conatins only an empty
file (normally it contains something like: ARCHOS Jukebox connected)

When I previously used this device with SuSE 7.2 I did not observe this
behaviour, so I suppose that something is happening at the init stage that
is odd, since if I comment the line in /etc/fstab reboot the machine, then
plug in the hard drive, then uncomment hte line and try to mount it , it
works again.

Is there a place I can put the mount information (perhaps in automount
scripts) that will me having to edit the fstab script continually, or
reboot when I need to use the hard drive?


-
James Ferrando
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Oxford ZEUS Group



Re: USB hard drive problem.

2003-08-11 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Citat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Hi,
>   I recently set up my laptop (running debian 3.0, with
> latest 2.4.18-bf24 kernel) to read from my archos jukebox 20
> portable hard-drive/mp3 player by adding the following line to my
> /etc/fstab
> 
> /dev/sda1   /archos  auto  
> rw,noauto,user,gid=users,uid=ferrando,umask=
> 033 0 0
> 
> the first time I added this line and tried mount /archos, it worked (which
> was nice).
> If I boot up the laptop with the drive connected then it works fine,
> however if I boot up the laptop then connect the drive and try to mount
> /archos then I get
> 
> mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
> 
> and /proc/scsi/usb/usb-storage, although existing conatins only an empty
> file (normally it contains something like: ARCHOS Jukebox connected)
> 
> When I previously used this device with SuSE 7.2 I did not observe this
> behaviour, so I suppose that something is happening at the init stage that
> is odd, since if I comment the line in /etc/fstab reboot the machine, then
> plug in the hard drive, then uncomment hte line and try to mount it , it
> works again.
> 
> Is there a place I can put the mount information (perhaps in automount
> scripts) that will me having to edit the fstab script continually, or
> reboot when I need to use the hard drive?

Try download this script: http://www.marlow.dk/tech/src/rescan-scsi-bus.sh.txt

And run it.

It rescan's all scsi-channels (also usb and firewire) and finds all scsi devices
available.

If you removed some devices, you should run it with the "-r" option.

Of course this has to be done as root.
 
Regards,
Martin List-Petersen
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resource for hp pavilion notebook n5270

2003-08-11 Thread darobare
HP n5270 is a Hewlett packard laptop.
I have one. I love it but don't need it if anyone is interested in buying
it... and www.HP.com has tons of information about it, troubleshooting it,
etc.

http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?locale=en_US&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=31709&submit.y=7&submit.x=12&cc=us

http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Resource.jsp?locale=en_US&taskId=110&prodSeriesId=31709&prodTypeId=321957



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Re: USB hard drive problem.

2003-08-11 Thread Johann Spies
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:41:30AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,

> If I boot up the laptop with the drive connected then it works fine,
> however if I boot up the laptop then connect the drive and try to mount
> /archos then I get
> 
> mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
> 
> and /proc/scsi/usb/usb-storage, although existing conatins only an empty
> file (normally it contains something like: ARCHOS Jukebox connected)
> 
> When I previously used this device with SuSE 7.2 I did not observe this
> behaviour, so I suppose that something is happening at the init stage that
> is odd, since if I comment the line in /etc/fstab reboot the machine, then
> plug in the hard drive, then uncomment hte line and try to mount it , it
> works again.
> 
I am not sure whether it is kernel related.  I have seen the same
behaviour on one of my machines (also with 2.4.18 kernel).  On others
with later kernels it works without a problem.

Workaround: Do a /etc/init.d/hotplug force-reload and your usb-device
should be mountable after that.

Regards

Johann
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Re: USB hard drive problem.

2003-08-11 Thread James Ferrando
Thanks  Johann,
I didn't actually have hotplug installed before, but have
now installed it, and will try this out once I've filled it full of music.
James


On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Johann Spies wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:41:30AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > If I boot up the laptop with the drive connected then it works fine,
> > however if I boot up the laptop then connect the drive and try to mount
> > /archos then I get
> >
> > mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
> >
> > and /proc/scsi/usb/usb-storage, although existing conatins only an empty
> > file (normally it contains something like: ARCHOS Jukebox connected)
> >
> > When I previously used this device with SuSE 7.2 I did not observe this
> > behaviour, so I suppose that something is happening at the init stage that
> > is odd, since if I comment the line in /etc/fstab reboot the machine, then
> > plug in the hard drive, then uncomment hte line and try to mount it , it
> > works again.
> >
> I am not sure whether it is kernel related.  I have seen the same
> behaviour on one of my machines (also with 2.4.18 kernel).  On others
> with later kernels it works without a problem.
>
> Workaround: Do a /etc/init.d/hotplug force-reload and your usb-device
> should be mountable after that.
>
> Regards
>
> Johann
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>
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Re: bios woes

2003-08-11 Thread Dr. Fred M'Bogo
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:28:23 -0700
"Max Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm 'repairing" (huh!) my IBM thinkpad (P1). I mistakenly delete reference to 
> the A drive in the bios and now, having exhausted my ingenuity, I can't get 
> back into the BIOS to remedy the error.
> 
> Any ideas how??
> 
> Max Shaw
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Most of the Thinkpads use F1 to get into bios. 

When the TP is off, press F1 and power up while keeping F1 depressed. Release 
F1 only after you see the bios screen. 

All IBM's have the type-model number somewhere, usually on the same label that 
has a small barcode. Look for something like 8640-2d0, 9545-cex or 2640-tfw 
then go to the IBM support site. There is a small search box that you type in 
the number, you'll find all kinds of goodies there including the full Hardware 
Maintenance Manuals and bios upgrades. 


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IBM ThinkPad T40 setup

2003-08-11 Thread David Z Maze
I have a new IBM ThinkPad T40, which I'm running unstable on.  It
turns out that there are very good instructions for setting the
machine up (http://www.w-m-p.com/linux-on-t40.html), as well as a
driver for the 802.11a/b combo wireless card
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/).  I haven't tried setting
everything up yet, but:

-- I have a dock for the laptop.  The dock's USB connectors don't work
   (though the dock video, mouse, and Ethernet work fine, and the
   laptop's USB works fine even in the dock).  I also can't seem to
   eject from the dock without powering down.  Are either of these
   solvable?  ("Eject from dock" likely seems like a tpctl function,
   but I don't know for sure.)

-- Can I use the IR port to sync with a PalmOS device?

-- Does ACPI not suck on this laptop, the way it sucked on my previous
   Dell?  :-)  Do I actually want ACPI?  Patching and rebuilding my
   kernel doesn't scare me; the 2.6 kernel does, a little.

-- The "volume up", "volume down", and "mute" buttons don't seem to be
   recognized by xev, though it does recognize the "page back" and
   "page forward" buttons in the cursor key area.

-- What Fn+Fkey options are there that work?  I understand Fn+F4
   ("sleep"), but not Fn+F3 (has a screen with an X next to it) or
   Fn+F5 (looks like a vibrating laptop).  In Windows, Fn+F9
   (unlabelled) is "eject from dock".  Do Fn+F7 (switch CRT/LCD
   display) or Fn+F12 (suspend to disk) work?  Are there other
   undocumented key combinations?  In Windows these have ~pretty
   on-screen controls, is this something provided by the Windows
   driver?

-- I seem to have gotten about two hours of battery life on the normal
   (not extended) battery with moderate 802.11 usage.  This seems
   short; are there easily implemented tricks to extend it?

-- For bizarre personal reasons, I like X to know the physical screen
   size.  With my last laptop I hard-coded the size of the LCD in
   /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, but this meant that I got a ridiculous 180
   dpi using an external monitor.  Right now I have it set for "always
   100 dpi", which is differently wrong but saner.  Is there a good
   way to set this up?  The DDC information seems to be there but
   ignored.  (Using XFree86 4.3 server binaries off of xfree86.org in
   /usr/local, and Debian XFree86 4.2 in unstable for everything else,
   which is a *much* saner world than what people seem to be going
   through with backports.)

Thanks for any advice,

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mini/micro ATX w/ PCI

2003-08-11 Thread James

Hello,

Does anyone have any experience or recommendations on very small ATX 
form factor
Linux based machines?  I'm looking to put debian on an x86 compatible 
architecture.
I'd like (2) PCI slots arranged so that the PCI cards are parallel with 
the main (small) motherboard.


I intend to build a few custom routers (10-30), so any  serial(T1) cards 
or experience getting T1
cards to work  in a mini/micro ATX package is most welcome. I have used 
Sangoma, Imagestream
and several other T1 cards, but,it's always a pain finding small form 
factor hardware.. I'd like
something small,  portable, and with a 12VDC power supply (am I 
dreaming or what?). I see
"VIA" everywhere, but, I do not have any experience with this chipset, 
to build a router.


Maybe someone knows of an OEM router that runs linux, where you actually 
get access to
the kernel, sources, etc,  so you can build/customize from scratch, a 
router that is actually
pleasurable to install and manage. Obviously, Cisco and I have 
parted ways


What I hope to find is a small, highly portable, router, that runs linux 
and make the sources

available.

All ideas are welcome.


James






Re: mini/micro ATX w/ PCI

2003-08-11 Thread Ottavio Campana
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 11:56:01PM -0400, James wrote:
> I see  "VIA" everywhere, but, I  do not have any  experience with this
> chipset, to build a router.

today I tested a via mini itx board, with the nehemiah processor. Really
cool. everything works, the nic works with the via-rhine module. There's
a problem: the  pci bus isn't parallel  to the board and if  you try the
riser card they sell with the board  the pci cards have to be plugged on
the wrong side (they're not on the mainboard but on it's side).

So if you want a sandwich-pc maybe it's not the best you can buy. If you
need a board for a U1(not sure it fits in)/U2 rack router get it.

Bye

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Re: mini/micro ATX w/ PCI

2003-08-11 Thread John Hedges
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 11:56:01PM -0400, James wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone have any experience or recommendations on very small ATX 
> form factor
> Linux based machines?  I'm looking to put debian on an x86 compatible 
> architecture.
> I'd like (2) PCI slots arranged so that the PCI cards are parallel with 
> the main (small) motherboard.
> 
> I intend to build a few custom routers (10-30), so any  serial(T1) cards 
> or experience getting T1
> cards to work  in a mini/micro ATX package is most welcome. I have used 
> Sangoma, Imagestream
> and several other T1 cards, but,it's always a pain finding small form 
> factor hardware.. I'd like
> something small,  portable, and with a 12VDC power supply (am I 
> dreaming or what?). I see
> "VIA" everywhere, but, I do not have any experience with this chipset, 
> to build a router.
> 
> Maybe someone knows of an OEM router that runs linux, where you actually 
> get access to
> the kernel, sources, etc,  so you can build/customize from scratch, a 
> router that is actually
> pleasurable to install and manage. Obviously, Cisco and I have 
> parted ways
> 
> What I hope to find is a small, highly portable, router, that runs linux 
> and make the sources
> available.
> 
> All ideas are welcome.
> 
> 
> James

Have a look at http://www.meshbook.com for a wireless router. These are
linux on mini itx.

There is also IPCop which is (I believe) a linux router/firewall.

Both are available pre-installed in PCs or on CF from
http://www.linitx.com . Sources for both are also freely available.

Good luck

John



dell install problems

2003-08-11 Thread Kit Stube
Hi, i am trying to help a friend install debian on his dell inspiron 8000
laptop and the machiene will hard lock when trying to format the partition
(or create them)

i've installed debian on a few dozen computers before and 3.0r1 has always
worked for me in the past (usually this exact disc) so i am uncertian as
to what to do.  it seems like (on linuxlaptops.net at least) that
installing linux on one of these is fairly straitforward (and since it
currently has redhat on it i know it can be done) so does anyone have any
thoughts as to what is going on here that would cause this hard lock?

thanks for your time



Re: dell install problems

2003-08-11 Thread Martin List-Petersen
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 20:37, Kit Stube wrote:
> Hi, i am trying to help a friend install debian on his dell inspiron 8000
> laptop and the machiene will hard lock when trying to format the partition
> (or create them)
> 
> i've installed debian on a few dozen computers before and 3.0r1 has always
> worked for me in the past (usually this exact disc) so i am uncertian as
> to what to do.  it seems like (on linuxlaptops.net at least) that
> installing linux on one of these is fairly straitforward (and since it
> currently has redhat on it i know it can be done) so does anyone have any
> thoughts as to what is going on here that would cause this hard lock?
> 
> thanks for your time

Sounds weird .. what kernel are you booting from ?

Regards, 
Martin List-Petersen 
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Re: dell install problems

2003-08-11 Thread Kit Stube
im trying to use bf24 or the 2.2 kernel on the disc

On 11 Aug 2003, Martin List-Petersen wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 20:37, Kit Stube wrote:
> > Hi, i am trying to help a friend install debian on his dell inspiron 8000
> > laptop and the machiene will hard lock when trying to format the partition
> > (or create them)
> > 
> > i've installed debian on a few dozen computers before and 3.0r1 has always
> > worked for me in the past (usually this exact disc) so i am uncertian as
> > to what to do.  it seems like (on linuxlaptops.net at least) that
> > installing linux on one of these is fairly straitforward (and since it
> > currently has redhat on it i know it can be done) so does anyone have any
> > thoughts as to what is going on here that would cause this hard lock?
> > 
> > thanks for your time
> 
> Sounds weird .. what kernel are you booting from ?
> 
> Regards, 
> Martin List-Petersen 
> martin at list-petersen dot dk 
> -- 
> When man calls an animal "vicious", he usually means that it will
> attempt to defend itself when he tries to kill it.
> 



Re: dell install problems

2003-08-11 Thread Rubén Gómez Antolí

Hi all,


Kit Stube escribió:


im trying to use bf24 or the 2.2 kernel on the disc
 


I'm trying to use bf24 in a dell i81k few days ago with no result. 2.2 runs.

You should try to download some boot images here:

http://people.debian.org/~blade/

It's run for me.

Regards.

Salud y Revolución.

Lobo.

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Re: exim on laptops: smarthost on demand

2003-08-11 Thread andreas . gredler
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 04:24:19PM +0200, Andreas Gredler wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 04:11:54PM +0200, François TOURDE wrote:
> > If you receive solutions or URL in private, please post here. I'm interested
> > on this issue too.
> 
> No problem, if I find a good solution I will make it public on
> my homepage and post it here, too.
> 

I've found no better methods than using the require_file option.
Anyway, I made a small page about it and it might be completed in near
future. See:

http://www.inode.at/gredler/exim.html 

greets Jimmy

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Re: apmd howto

2003-08-11 Thread Xavier Maillard
GARGIULO Eduardo GESI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  Hi all
>  
>  I have a Compaq Presario 1275 running debian woody 3.0_r1
>  
>  I'm looking for some help about configuring/using apmd, I
>  mean how to turn the machine into suspend mode, or standby,
>  using command line tools or sending commands to /proc/apm

Your salute will be to try by the beginning: 
 
  man apmd

>  thanks in advance and sorry for my english

Np :)

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Re: How should I manage multiple wireless lan configs?

2003-08-11 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003, Joe Emenaker wrote:
> At work, it's an open WiFi lan without encryption. At home, I have WEP
> with a certain key. At my girlfriend's, it's WEP with a different key.
> 
> They all have different SSID's.
> 
> What I would like, of course, is to be able to configure my Debian
> laptop so that, when I boot the laptop at any of these locations, the
> laptop sees the SSID and automatically uses the right settings for
> that location.
> 
> Seems simple enough to do. Windows does it. I just can't figure out
> which config files to tweak in Debian.

You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, and use the support in the
'wireless-tools' package for configuring these values there.

Read the documentation for ifupdown and wireless-tools, and see how you
go.

Daniel

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Re: How should I manage multiple wireless lan configs?

2003-08-11 Thread Sam Clegg
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 12:08:35PM +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
> > Seems simple enough to do. Windows does it. I just can't figure out
> > which config files to tweak in Debian.
> 
> You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, and use the support in the
> 'wireless-tools' package for configuring these values there.

Or linux-wlan-ng, if you use these drivers.  Seems to support the
same sytax for interface defintion, which is nice.
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Re: dell install problems

2003-08-11 Thread Rubén Gómez Antolí
Hi all,

Kit Stube escribió:

im trying to use bf24 or the 2.2 kernel on the disc
 

I'm trying to use bf24 in a dell i81k few days ago with no result. 2.2 runs.

You should try to download some boot images here:

http://people.debian.org/~blade/

It's run for me.

Regards.

Salud y Revolución.

Lobo.

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console framebuffer

2003-08-11 Thread Brian P. Flaherty
Hello,

When I installed the 2.4.21 kernel-image, I gave the radeonfb a try.
I have an IBM X31 with a Radeon Mobility M6 LY (according to lspci),
and I really liked the console with the framebuffer.  (I liked it so
much that I started to learn screen.)  

However, I was also quite interested in getting cpufreq to work, so
yesterday I pulled the source for kernel 2.6-test2 from the unstable
archive and I have been building kernels since.  cpufreq appears to be
working now (with apm), but I have lost my nice framebuffer.  When the
machine starts, it loads the framebuffer and spits out some
information (from dmesg):

> radeonfb_pci_register BEGIN
> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device :01:00.0
> PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with :00:1d.0
> PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with :02:00.0
> PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with :02:01.0
> radeonfb: ref_clk=2700, ref_div=60, xclk=14400 from BIOS
> radeonfb: probed DDR SGRAM 16384k videoram
> radeon_get_moninfo: bios 4 scratch = 144
> radeonfb: panel ID string: 1024x768
> radeonfb: detected DFP panel size from BIOS: 1024x768
> radeonfb: ATI Radeon M6 LY DDR SGRAM 16 MB
> radeonfb: DVI port LCD monitor connected
> radeonfb: CRT port no monitor connected
> radeonfb_pci_register END
 
Also, lsmod shows it.  But I don't think anything really happens to
the screen.  It seems the framebuffer module is loaded, but it isn't
doing anything.  I have grepped around for fbset under /etc and
/lib/modules hoping to find where that is happening when the 2.4.21
kernel loads, but I cannot find anything.  I have looked at the output
of fbset under both kernels and they look similar, only rgba and the
LineLength are different.

lpa:~# diff k2.4.fbseti k2.6.fbseti
6c6
< rgba 8/0,8/0,8/0,0/0
---
> rgba 6/0,6/0,6/0,0/0
10c10
< Name: Radeon M6 LY 
---
> Name: M6 LY
18c18
< LineLength  : 1024
---
> LineLength  : 0

There are no video append statements in lilo.conf.  Can anyone tell me
where to look in order to understand how the framebuffer is started in
the 2.4.21 kernel, so I can try to replicate it in my 2.6?  Thanks a
lot.

Brian


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Re: experience with late model laptops?

2003-08-11 Thread Xavier Maillard
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> >  Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >  
> >  On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> > > >  Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so.
> > >  
> > >  Troll :p
> >  
> >  No troll here just my personnal taste :)
> >  
> > >  The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but
> > >  whether cute is good or not.
> >  
> >  Indeed.
> >  
>  
>  Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know.  As for

Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think so
otherwise you wouldn't have said that.

>  functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then
>  that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its
>  even better.  As for a linux platform, it can be a little more
>  difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with
>  the missing mouse buttons.

I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated
materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also
(sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main interest
in computer science is development ;)

One thing I will want if I buy a new laptop is to be able to make it
run under the GNU (a.k.a. GNU/Hurd). So I will try to help in
developing it to achieve this task.

zeDek
-- 
Ever notice how fast Windows runs?  Neither did I.


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