scroll buttons
I have a Compaq Presario 2700T and instead of a mouse wheel it has a four-way scroll button. Is there a way to get this to act as a mouse wheel? And perhaps to have the left and right buttons on it act as a middle click? (Since they forgot to make a third mouse button...) Thanks, Jason
APM, Toshiba Satelite 4300, Aiee on resume
Hi, On resume from suspend on console i get huge lines scrolling finished with: "Aiee, killing interrupt handler kfree: Bad obj c010f3fc" and Debians corpse :-( Any idea? Linux version 2.2.19 .config "CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_DISABLE_BY_DEFAULT is not set # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set # CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set # CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is not set CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m " apmd Version: 3.0final-1 /etc/lilo.conf "image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only append="mem=128M apm=on" # restricted alias=1 " X stopped tia Darek
APM, Toshiba Satelite 4300, Aiee on resume
Hi, On resume from suspend on console i get huge lines scrolling finished with: "Aiee, killing interrupt handler kfree: Bad obj c010f3fc" and Debians corpse :-( Any idea? Linux version 2.2.19 .config "CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_DISABLE_BY_DEFAULT is not set # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set # CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set # CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is not set CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m " apmd Version: 3.0final-1 /etc/lilo.conf "image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only append="mem=128M apm=on" # restricted alias=1 " X stopped tia Darek
Re: Suspending successfully from X-windows
Oliver Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [some material deleted below] > Some notebooks seem to suspend OK from a virtual terminal, but not from > X-windows. I had that problem and found a solution. The setup here is a > Gateway Solo3350 with a Phoenix NoteBIOS 4.0 release 6.0 (serial 25.04). > This trick may apply also to other notebooks using that same BIOS. Well, I tried it on my Gateway Solo 9300 and it appears to work. My BIOS is the same 4.0 and release 6.0, but I don't see a serial number. At boot time it also says system software version 16.53. I don't know if that is relevant or not. I have only tried suspending X twice so far, but so far so good. > - > #!/bin/sh > > XVT=7 > if [ -x fgconsole -a -x chvt ]; then > [ $(fgconsole) -eq $XVT ] && chvt $XVT > fi I am still learning bash scripting, and the above is not clear to me. To me, it looks like line three is saying "if the current vt is 7 then switch to vt 7." This cannot be correct, so what does it really mean? Also, are there any problems with running fgconsole and chvt suid root? Does another group have whatever priviledges are necessary to do this (or could one be created)? Could the user and the programs belong to this other group instead and would this work? My laptop is actually never on-line directly (it is only ever behind an IP masquerading desktop), so maybe these programs running suid root is not so bad? Thanks for posting this. It will be nice not to switch to VT 1--6 prior to closing the lid. Brian
AMD's PowerNow?
Hi everybody, I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) Or am I misinformed? IS there support for PowerNow? Does anybody know if/when this will be possible? Thx in advance! Max -- An expert is someone who can afterwards tell you exactly, why his prognosis was not correct. < Winston Churchill >
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Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:50:07PM +0100, Markus Amersdorfer wrote: > I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of > course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not > supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors > as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) Neither is supported (I guess ACPI might give some support, but...). There are patches out there but I believe they're targetted for merge during kernel version 2.5 development. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." pgpCHMVmhEYnw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fujitsu Lifebook C-4235 and Woody
I'm in the middle of my first attempt to get Debian running on a laptop and have encountered a few problems. I'm using Gnome, the default window manager, and Woody. Problem 1: When X windows are opened, they are too big to fit on the screen (800x600) and the top bar, where the window can be grabbed and moved, is off the screen so I end up with a pile of windows I can't move. This should be simple, but my knowledge of X goes only far enough to get it installed on MOST computers. This one didn't fall into that category. Problem 2: The network setup files seem to have changed between potato and woody. Where can I find docs on this? I'd appreciate any help I can get so I don't have to install RH (which I know configures itself properly). Chip David R. "Chip" Kent IV California Institute of Technology
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
> as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy instead of using busy loops. derek
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > instead of using busy loops. No, Speedstep is not supported because Intel won't release documentation on it (specifically, how to know when it's turned on or off so the kernel can adjust timing loops). It _does_ give a power benefit when used on my machine. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! You can't cheat the phone company.
Re: scroll buttons
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:34:50AM -0700, Jason Majors wrote: > I have a Compaq Presario 2700T and instead of a mouse wheel it has a > four-way scroll button. Is there a way to get this to act as a mouse wheel? > And perhaps to have the left and right buttons on it act as a middle click? > (Since they forgot to make a third mouse button...) In /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in the InputDevice section for your mouse, add the line: Option Emulate3Buttons "true" to emulate a third button by pressing the other two at once. As for your scroll buttons, I have two little buttons on my Toshiba that do the same thing. Try adding this line to the same section as above: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" That should make them function as intended. HTH, -- Mike Alborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # pgp keyid: C36DC30B # http://odoitau.dyn.dhs.org "In the fight between you and the world, back the world." --Frank Zappa pgpqiNFYs6q9O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:27:24PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > > as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > instead of using busy loops. It's not really a kluge - it's a fairly reasonable idea to drop the CPU voltage and clock rate when it's not doing too much. Even if you're idling properly when you need to it's still cheaper to run at a lower voltage and clock (particularly voltage - the cost of a state transition on a transistor is directly related to the voltage it runs at). -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > > instead of using busy loops. > > No, Speedstep is not supported because Intel won't release > documentation on it (specifically, how to know when it's turned on or > off so the kernel can adjust timing loops). It _does_ give a power > benefit when used on my machine. I have a real problem buying into that explanation. Why would Intel create Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how to use it? It's no benefit to Intel unless Microsoft specifically paid them to add the functionality and keep it exclusive to them. But Microsoft couldn't care less about energy saving. Seems way too much like a conspiracy theory for me. As for power benefits on your machine, my understanding is that the kernel idles when it can but some applications can still keep the cpu busy. Obviously you'll save power over a limited period of time if you slow down the machine - but where's the benefit? It makes the application run longer, and your battery will probably still run out at the same point in your processing - just after a longer elapsed time. derek
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
From: "Mark Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:27:24PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > > instead of using busy loops. > > It's not really a kluge - it's a fairly reasonable idea to drop the CPU > voltage and clock rate when it's not doing too much. Even if you're > idling properly when you need to it's still cheaper to run at a lower > voltage and clock (particularly voltage - the cost of a state transition > on a transistor is directly related to the voltage it runs at). Then I must have completely misunderstood about speed-step - I didn't think it could do anything about voltage. And if you only slow the clock, can you really get any saving in a busy loop over the use of idle? derek
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html > Why would Intel create Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how > to use it? Why would IBM put a "thinkpad" button on their laptops, create a linux tool to use it, and neither release the tool for general use nor tell people how to use it? Why do companies refuse to release info on anything? > Obviously you'll save power over a limited period of time if you slow down > the machine - but where's the benefit? It makes the application run longer, > and your battery will probably still run out at the same point in your > processing - just after a longer elapsed time. That's assuming that it uses the same amount of power for the same amount of computation, which is probably untrue. CPUs wouldn't be the first thing to be less efficient as they go faster. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! If God is dead, who will save the Queen?
Re: Fujitsu Lifebook C-4235 and Woody
David R. Chip Kent IV, 2002-Jan-29 08:19 -0800: > > I'm in the middle of my first attempt to get Debian running on a laptop > and have encountered a few problems. I'm using Gnome, the default > window manager, and Woody. > > Problem 1: > > When X windows are opened, they are too big to fit on the screen (800x600) > and the top bar, where the window can be grabbed and moved, is off the > screen so I end up with a pile of windows I can't move. > > This should be simple, but my knowledge of X goes only far enough to get > it installed on MOST computers. This one didn't fall into that category. This works in Enlightenment, and may work for you. Hold down the Alt key and then the left mouse button with the pointer anywhere in the window you want to move. You should be able to slide the window around till you can get to the top of each window. > Problem 2: > > The network setup files seem to have changed between potato and woody. > Where can I find docs on this? > > I'd appreciate any help I can get so I don't have to install RH (which I > know configures itself properly). There are manual pages on the following: interfaces pcmcia resolv.conf route That should do it. Good luck...jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User
RE: AMD's PowerNow?
Original Message- From: Derek Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:28 PM To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: AMD's PowerNow? From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > > instead of using busy loops. > > No, Speedstep is not supported because Intel won't release > documentation on it (specifically, how to know when it's turned on or > off so the kernel can adjust timing loops). It _does_ give a power > benefit when used on my machine. >I have a real problem buying into that explanation. Why would Intel create >Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how to use it? It's no benefit to >Intel unless Microsoft specifically paid them to add the functionality and >keep it exclusive to them. But Microsoft couldn't care less about energy >saving. Seems way too much like a conspiracy theory for me. >As for power benefits on your machine, my understanding is that the kernel >idles when it can but some applications can still keep the cpu busy. >Obviously you'll save power over a limited period of time if you slow down >the machine - but where's the benefit? It makes the application run longer, >and your battery will probably still run out at the same point in your >processing - just after a longer elapsed time. > >derek Actually I think they added that into their mobile processors to keep Transmeta from taking market share from their mobile processor line. The Crusoe processor as far as I know was the first one to actually slow the cpu clock down depending what program was being run. It's not just slowing it down when their is idle time. Do you really need a processor running at 1Mhz. to run a text editing tool? No but you would need that speed to play a DVD. The faster the processor speed the more power it uses. So if you slow down or speed up depending on the work load you should see a difference in power usage. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Alan Shutko wrote: > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html > > > Why would Intel create Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how > > to use it? > > Why would IBM put a "thinkpad" button on their laptops, create a linux > tool to use it, and neither release the tool for general use nor tell > people how to use it? Why do companies refuse to release info on > anything? Do you mean that there is a tool for thinkpad's innerworks, from IBM? I know there is a OSS version, but it can't do everything that IBM's DOS utility can.. Psi
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html That's certainly definitive. It's the same unsupported allegation from a different source. :-) And James said: > Actually I think they added that into their mobile processors to keep > Transmeta > from taking market share from their mobile processor line. The Crusoe > processor Sure - but how does Intel benefit from it unless the O/Ss are capable of using it? The only business reason for Intel to keep it secret is if they did it for a specific customer. derek
RE: AMD's PowerNow?
-Original Message- From: Derek Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:06 PM To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: AMD's PowerNow? From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html >That's certainly definitive. It's the same unsupported allegation from a >different source. :-) >And James said: > Actually I think they added that into their mobile processors to keep > Transmeta > from taking market share from their mobile processor line. The Crusoe > processor >Sure - but how does Intel benefit from it unless the O/Ss are capable of >using it? The only business reason for Intel to keep it secret is if they >did it for a specific customer. >derek Or they are trying to cover up how badly made it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suspending successfully from X-windows
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 07:45 am, Brian P. Flaherty wrote: > Oliver Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [some material deleted below] > > > Some notebooks seem to suspend OK from a virtual terminal, but not > > from X-windows. I had that problem and found a solution. The setup > > here is a Gateway Solo3350 with a Phoenix NoteBIOS 4.0 release 6.0 > > (serial 25.04). This trick may apply also to other notebooks using > > that same BIOS. > > Well, I tried it on my Gateway Solo 9300 and it appears to work. My > BIOS is the same 4.0 and release 6.0, but I don't see a serial > number. At boot time it also says system software version 16.53. I > don't know if that is relevant or not. I have only tried suspending X > twice so far, but so far so good. Great! There's another data point. > > > - > > #!/bin/sh > > > > XVT=7 > > if [ -x fgconsole -a -x chvt ]; then > > [ $(fgconsole) -eq $XVT ] && chvt $XVT > > fi > > I am still learning bash scripting, and the above is not clear to me. > To me, it looks like line three is saying "if the current vt is 7 then > switch to vt 7." This cannot be correct, so what does it really mean? No, you've got it exactly right. If it is in vt7 (i.e., in X) then it "switches" to vt7 (i.e., to where it already is).. Of course if $(fgconsole) does not return 7, then you are already in another console and so don't need to do anything, since suspend already works then. I tried it first switching to another console. Then, by accident, I set it to switch to the 7 it was already in. It still works. What it seems to be doing is making X do something (or stopping X from doing something??) regardless of what vt you're switching to. > > Also, are there any problems with running fgconsole and chvt suid > root? Does another group have whatever priviledges are necessary to > do this (or could one be created)? Maybe. But probably some of X would have to be set sgid for that to work. I think that on a laptop it is not very much of a risk to have these two utilities suid root. Could the user and the programs > belong to this other group instead and would this work? My laptop is > actually never on-line directly (it is only ever behind an IP > masquerading desktop), so maybe these programs running suid root is > not so bad? Yeah, that's my opinion. My laptop is never exposed to the raw internet, either. > > Thanks for posting this. It will be nice not to switch to VT 1--6 > prior to closing the lid. > > Brian -- Oliver Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> San Francisco, California USA GPG KeyID=A2ACE692 GPG Fingerprint=BE4A C1B8 EB0D 8FD9 737D CE4A 1E56 BF9B A2AC E692
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:05:54PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > Sure - but how does Intel benefit from it unless the O/Ss are capable of > using it? The only business reason for Intel to keep it secret is if they > did it for a specific customer. One could say the same thing of any hardware interface that people don't release specs for. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." pgpcFcUAHOBZd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 01:32:03PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > Then I must have completely misunderstood about speed-step - I didn't think > it could do anything about voltage. And if you only slow the clock, can you > really get any saving in a busy loop over the use of idle? Even if you're idling properly you're still going to want to wake up every once in a while to do stuff - housekeeping of various kinds, for example. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." pgpk4gkWUyZ1S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's certainly definitive. It's the same unsupported allegation from a > different source. :-) Sure, but at least it's a kernel developer, on the lkml, and was not contested. Email Jeff yourself if you want more info, or try to get data from Intel. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! Don't let your status become too quo!
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Pasi Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do you mean that there is a tool for thinkpad's innerworks, from > IBM? I meant specifically the thinkpad button on recent thinkpads, nothing else. It was shipped with Linux preloads but is unavailable elsewhere, last I checked. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! RAM wasn't built in a day.
Inspiron 4100
I'm considering a few laptops to replace a loaner I have which I really like (IBM T21). I'm specifically looking at the Dell Inspiron 4100 with the Nvidia card (32mb) and a few upgraded such as hard disk drive, etc. I will only be running debian on it so dualbooting is not important. My main areas of concern are: *does the video work well? I've used the Geforce cards before in desktops but never in laptops. Comments? *any issues with suspend/resume on this particular line? *any bios or other issues which cause problems with doing a debian install? Thanks. -- Michael Perry | "Do or do not; there is no try" Master Yoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lnxpowered.org
Problem with TP600 console
Hi, I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was there on the HDD and tried installing woody on it. I had only the first CD. I could easily install the base system with no problems, but there is a problem now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen real estate) at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't tried so far, but I want to have console properly, as I want to read mails etc in console. Have anyone encountered this while installing debian on the TP600? Ramakrishnan
Re: Problem with TP600 console
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:30:25PM -0500, Muthukrishnan, Ramakrishnan wrote: > Hi, > > I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was > there on the > HDD and tried installing woody on it. I had only the first CD. I could > easily install the base system with no problems, but there is a problem > now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I > boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen > real estate) > at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that > area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed > area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't > tried so far, but I want to have console properly, as I want to read > mails etc in console. Have anyone encountered this while installing > debian on the TP600? The cause of the shrunken screen lies in the "display stretch" setting. LCD panels do not scale the pixels in the same way as a CRT, so if your panel's maximum resolution is 800x600, anything smaller than that doesn't take up the entire screen. That is, unless you have display stretch turned on. This is usually a setting in the BIOS, although there may be a user-space linux program to control it for your machine. For X, if you run your display at the maximum allowed by your panel, then you won't have any problem. HTH, -- Mike Alborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # pgp keyid: C36DC30B # http://odoitau.dyn.dhs.org You don't move to Edina, you achieve Edina. -- Guindon pgp3EDAOW4U4R.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with TP600 console
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:30:25PM -0500, Muthukrishnan, Ramakrishnan wrote: > Hi, > > I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was > there on the > now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I > boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen > real estate) There are 2 possible solutions... 1) In the bios enable something like 'display stretch'. This way the 80x25 text screen will be stretched to full size. 2) Start using a vesa framebuffer, and tell Lilo or grub what vesa mode you want to use (I'm using 0x117 I think). Then the kernel will put you in some high res (which will use full screen if you choose the correct modes) and you'll be able to get more text on the screen too. I'm currently in vesafb mode and get about a 110x60 character screen :) The same goes for X ofcourse... choose a resolution that matches the max resolution for the LCD panel and you'll have full screen. > at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that > area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed > area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't Without vesafb it's also possible, using SVGAtextmode... but this breaks on my laptop because it has really buggy VGA drivers :( Maybe more luck on yours :) but beware, you might have to reboot ofter before you get the correct modes without screwing up the screen. -- Mark Janssen Unix / Linux, Open-Source and Internet Consultant @ SyConOS IT E-mail: mark(at)markjanssen.nl / maniac(at)maniac.nl GnuPG Key Id: 357D2178 Web: Maniac.nl Unix-God.[Net|Org] MarkJanssen.[com|net|org|nl] SyConOS.[com|nl] pgpMJmP2unEZj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with TP600 console
that's normal. It's only showing 80X25 at vga resolution. When you run X, make sure to put it at 800X600 or 1024X768. I have a 600E and it does the same thing. glen On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:30:25PM -0500, Muthukrishnan, Ramakrishnan wrote: > Hi, > > I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was > there on the > HDD and tried installing woody on it. I had only the first CD. I could > easily install the base system with no problems, but there is a problem > now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I > boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen > real estate) > at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that > area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed > area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't > tried so far, but I want to have console properly, as I want to read > mails etc in console. Have anyone encountered this while installing > debian on the TP600? > > Ramakrishnan > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Glen S Mehn Lead Systems Administrator SquareTrade, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Building Trust in Transactions (sm)
Re: Emailsetup for Laptops
martedì 29 gennaio 2002, alle 00:31, Oliver Andrich: : Hi, : : after successfully getting my Toshiba 3000-514 (a detailed howto will be : available soon) to work under Debian woody. I have still one issue open. My : mail reader of choice is mutt, so I need to setup some kind of low impact : mailsystem on my machine. I thought about exim, sendmail and postfix but : skipped this, cause I don't need any kind of mailservice on my laptop at all. : : Oliver, I do think that either exim or postfix are good solutions ro use on a laptop. I used sendmail, then exim now postfix. The last is easy to configure and does not consume much resources. I have a really small laptop (Contura Aero 8MB RAM) with smail on it. If you do not want a server then go and look for Archimedes on sourceforge it a GTK based application with support for POP3, external SMTP (with queueing in offline mode), support for more account, filetering and all sort of thinks. I like its look and feel. This is not mutt or Pine or elm, it an X based app. But you don't have any server. Regards Stefano -- Stefano Canepa e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To follow the path: look at the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see trough the master, become the master.
Re: Problem with TP600 console
Mark Janssen wrote: > > There are 2 possible solutions... > > 1) In the bios enable something like 'display stretch'. This way the > 80x25 text screen will be stretched to full size. I couldn't find such an option on the Thinkpad 600 BIOS. > 2) Start using a vesa framebuffer, and tell Lilo or grub what vesa mode > you want to use (I'm using 0x117 I think). Then the kernel will put you > in some high res (which will use full screen if you choose the correct > modes) and you'll be able to get more text on the screen too. Ok. I will try this today. Thanks for all the replies. Ramakrishnan
AMD's PowerNow?
Hi everybody, I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors as a reasonable choice. Or am I misinformed? IS there support for PowerNow? Does anybody know if/when this will be possible? Thx in advance! Max -- An expert is someone who can afterwards tell you exactly, why his prognosis was not correct. < Winston Churchill >
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
There's been a bit of bitching about the lack of info from vendors but no-one has picked up on Mark's comment, and talked about ACPI. I've got an AMD notebook with PowerNow and ACPI support (in BIOS) and have exchanged email with someone who said that theirs (same model, but higher clock speed) was overheating UNTIL they enabled ACPI in the linux kernel. I'm just getting around to doing it myself but the direct implication is that ACPI allowed his linux laptop to run cooler... So, any comments on how ACPI helps? Can it exploit PowerNow or is it something else that makes it run cooler? Brett On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:50:07PM +0100, Markus Amersdorfer wrote: > > > I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of > > course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not > > supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors > > as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) > > Neither is supported (I guess ACPI might give some support, but...). > There are patches out there but I believe they're targetted for merge > during kernel version 2.5 development. > >
LILO on a Toshiba Tecra 500CDT gives an error
Hi all I'm trying to install Woody on this laptop. It has a floppy drive xor a CD-ROM drive; the two can't be used at the same time. So I started with Toms Root and Boot disk (http://www.toms.net/rb), used it to partition and format the hard disk and to wget the base2_2.tgz from my server. I get to the point where base2_2.tgz is unpacked, lilo.conf is set up just right and everything is ready to run lilo. But lilo says: --- snip --- /# lilo -r /mnt -v LILO Version 20, Copyright 1992-1997 Werner Almesberger Reading boot sector from current root. Can't put the boot sector on logical partition 0x306 /# _ --- snap --- The file systems are mounted as follows: /dev/hda6 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda7 on /mnt/home type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda5 is the swap partition. lilo.conf has: --- snip --- lba32 boot=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hda6 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map prompt timeout=20 vga=2 default=Linux image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only image=/vmlinuz.old label=LinuxOLD read-only optional --- snap --- I just don't get it. LILO shouldn't try to put the boot sector on /dev/hda6, but on /dev/hda1?? Any help is appreciated. Beat Bolli -- mail: `echo '<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' | sed -e 's/[A-S]//g'` pgp: 0x506A903A; 49D5 794A EA77 F907 764F D89E 304B 93CF 506A 903A icbm: 47° 02' 43.0" N, 07° 16' 17.5" E (WGS84)
Re: LILO on a Toshiba Tecra 500CDT gives an error
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:53:52PM +0100, Beat Bolli wrote: > Hi all > > I'm trying to install Woody on this laptop. It has a floppy drive xor a > CD-ROM drive; the two can't be used at the same time. > > So I started with Toms Root and Boot disk (http://www.toms.net/rb), used it > to partition and format the hard disk and to wget the base2_2.tgz from my > server. I get to the point where base2_2.tgz is unpacked, lilo.conf is > set up just right and everything is ready to run lilo. > > But lilo says: > --- snip --- > /# lilo -r /mnt -v > LILO Version 20, Copyright 1992-1997 Werner Almesberger > > Reading boot sector from current root. > Can't put the boot sector on logical partition 0x306 > /# _ > --- snap --- > > The file systems are mounted as follows: > > /dev/hda6 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hda7 on /mnt/home type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hda1 on /mnt/boot type ext2 (rw) > > /dev/hda5 is the swap partition. > > lilo.conf has: > --- snip --- > lba32 > boot=/dev/hda1 > root=/dev/hda6 > compact > install=/boot/boot.b > map=/boot/map > prompt > timeout=20 > vga=2 > default=Linux > image=/vmlinuz > label=Linux > read-only > image=/vmlinuz.old > label=LinuxOLD > read-only > optional > --- snap --- > > I just don't get it. LILO shouldn't try to put the boot sector on /dev/hda6, > but on /dev/hda1?? Perhaps try "boot=/dev/hda" instead of "boot=/dev/hda1" That will install LILO into the MBR, which might work better. HTH, -- Mike Alborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # pgp keyid: C36DC30B # http://odoitau.dyn.dhs.org If in doubt, mumble. pgpmn1N2LVp7C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fujitsu Lifebook C-4235 and Woody
> > I'm in the middle of my first attempt to get Debian running on a laptop > and have encountered a few problems. I'm using Gnome, the default > window manager, and Woody. > > Problem 1: > > When X windows are opened, they are too big to fit on the screen (800x600) > and the top bar, where the window can be grabbed and moved, is off the > screen so I end up with a pile of windows I can't move. My laptop also has a card which speaks 1024x768 but only shows 800x600. Use an external monitor during setup, and give yourself some screen modes which are small enough to fit onscreen.Once happy with things (including testing at least one mode that *fits* onscreen) then make the mode that fits and looks best your default, that is, the first one mentioned in the line of XF86Config that mentions resolutions for a color depth. The first one is usually the highest it can handle, IIRC. Sadly most "desk environments" assume you have LOTS of desk, so I use fvwm (I can tell it where to put the darned buttonbar) or enlightenment (incredibly themeable in regard to buttons that Do Things, or putting things on menus instead) and only run Gnome and K apps, not their desks. > This should be simple, but my knowledge of X goes only far enough to get > it installed on MOST computers. This one didn't fall into that category. Luckily -very- few laptops have problems adding a CRT "in flight" - you should be able to complete the config as long as you're near enough an external monitor. More work, if your horiz/vert syncs are too far from normal monitors (hope not, you said it's a lifebook, right?) you may have to visit a lucky pal with an LCD monitor, or be willing to make lots of copies of XF86Config and play a little by hand. > Problem 2: > > The network setup files seem to have changed between potato and woody. > Where can I find docs on this? /etc/network/interfaces has a pretty simple layout... is that what you're looking at, or are you using a PCMCIA card? > I'd appreciate any help I can get so I don't have to install RH (which I > know configures itself properly). > > Chip Curiously enough if you got it working happily enough with X you can, ahem, steal its config file. As long as you make sure X is about the same rev, and fix the fontpaths so they're correct, the monitor section itself can be moved around wholesale. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Brett Sealey wrote: > There's been a bit of bitching about the lack of info from vendors but > no-one has picked up on Mark's comment, and talked about ACPI. > > I've got an AMD notebook with PowerNow and ACPI support (in BIOS) and > have exchanged email with someone who said that theirs (same model, > but higher clock speed) was overheating UNTIL they enabled ACPI in the > linux kernel. > > I'm just getting around to doing it myself but the direct implication > is that ACPI allowed his linux laptop to run cooler... > > So, any comments on how ACPI helps? Can it exploit PowerNow or is it > something else that makes it run cooler? It can, in theory, do anything that APM can do, including drop the CPU speed, invoke PowerNow and the like. I don't know about the practice, though. It's supposed to be reasonably good at what it does, day to day, but I don't really use it. Daniel -- It's disconcerting to realize how little you have to say to someone who once occupied such a prominent place in your bed. -- Sue Grafton
scroll buttons
I have a Compaq Presario 2700T and instead of a mouse wheel it has a four-way scroll button. Is there a way to get this to act as a mouse wheel? And perhaps to have the left and right buttons on it act as a middle click? (Since they forgot to make a third mouse button...) Thanks, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
APM, Toshiba Satelite 4300, Aiee on resume
Hi, On resume from suspend on console i get huge lines scrolling finished with: "Aiee, killing interrupt handler kfree: Bad obj c010f3fc" and Debians corpse :-( Any idea? Linux version 2.2.19 .config "CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_DISABLE_BY_DEFAULT is not set # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set # CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set # CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is not set CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m " apmd Version: 3.0final-1 /etc/lilo.conf "image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only append="mem=128M apm=on" # restricted alias=1 " X stopped tia Darek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
APM, Toshiba Satelite 4300, Aiee on resume
Hi, On resume from suspend on console i get huge lines scrolling finished with: "Aiee, killing interrupt handler kfree: Bad obj c010f3fc" and Debians corpse :-( Any idea? Linux version 2.2.19 .config "CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_DISABLE_BY_DEFAULT is not set # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set # CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set # CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is not set CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m " apmd Version: 3.0final-1 /etc/lilo.conf "image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only append="mem=128M apm=on" # restricted alias=1 " X stopped tia Darek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suspending successfully from X-windows
Oliver Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [some material deleted below] > Some notebooks seem to suspend OK from a virtual terminal, but not from > X-windows. I had that problem and found a solution. The setup here is a > Gateway Solo3350 with a Phoenix NoteBIOS 4.0 release 6.0 (serial 25.04). > This trick may apply also to other notebooks using that same BIOS. Well, I tried it on my Gateway Solo 9300 and it appears to work. My BIOS is the same 4.0 and release 6.0, but I don't see a serial number. At boot time it also says system software version 16.53. I don't know if that is relevant or not. I have only tried suspending X twice so far, but so far so good. > - > #!/bin/sh > > XVT=7 > if [ -x fgconsole -a -x chvt ]; then > [ $(fgconsole) -eq $XVT ] && chvt $XVT > fi I am still learning bash scripting, and the above is not clear to me. To me, it looks like line three is saying "if the current vt is 7 then switch to vt 7." This cannot be correct, so what does it really mean? Also, are there any problems with running fgconsole and chvt suid root? Does another group have whatever priviledges are necessary to do this (or could one be created)? Could the user and the programs belong to this other group instead and would this work? My laptop is actually never on-line directly (it is only ever behind an IP masquerading desktop), so maybe these programs running suid root is not so bad? Thanks for posting this. It will be nice not to switch to VT 1--6 prior to closing the lid. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMD's PowerNow?
Hi everybody, I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) Or am I misinformed? IS there support for PowerNow? Does anybody know if/when this will be possible? Thx in advance! Max -- An expert is someone who can afterwards tell you exactly, why his prognosis was not correct. < Winston Churchill > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:50:07PM +0100, Markus Amersdorfer wrote: > I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of > course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not > supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors > as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) Neither is supported (I guess ACPI might give some support, but...). There are patches out there but I believe they're targetted for merge during kernel version 2.5 development. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." msg06495/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fujitsu Lifebook C-4235 and Woody
I'm in the middle of my first attempt to get Debian running on a laptop and have encountered a few problems. I'm using Gnome, the default window manager, and Woody. Problem 1: When X windows are opened, they are too big to fit on the screen (800x600) and the top bar, where the window can be grabbed and moved, is off the screen so I end up with a pile of windows I can't move. This should be simple, but my knowledge of X goes only far enough to get it installed on MOST computers. This one didn't fall into that category. Problem 2: The network setup files seem to have changed between potato and woody. Where can I find docs on this? I'd appreciate any help I can get so I don't have to install RH (which I know configures itself properly). Chip David R. "Chip" Kent IV California Institute of Technology -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
> as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy instead of using busy loops. derek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > instead of using busy loops. No, Speedstep is not supported because Intel won't release documentation on it (specifically, how to know when it's turned on or off so the kernel can adjust timing loops). It _does_ give a power benefit when used on my machine. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! You can't cheat the phone company. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scroll buttons
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:34:50AM -0700, Jason Majors wrote: > I have a Compaq Presario 2700T and instead of a mouse wheel it has a > four-way scroll button. Is there a way to get this to act as a mouse wheel? > And perhaps to have the left and right buttons on it act as a middle click? > (Since they forgot to make a third mouse button...) In /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in the InputDevice section for your mouse, add the line: Option Emulate3Buttons "true" to emulate a third button by pressing the other two at once. As for your scroll buttons, I have two little buttons on my Toshiba that do the same thing. Try adding this line to the same section as above: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" That should make them function as intended. HTH, -- Mike Alborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # pgp keyid: C36DC30B # http://odoitau.dyn.dhs.org "In the fight between you and the world, back the world." --Frank Zappa msg06499/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:27:24PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > > as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > instead of using busy loops. It's not really a kluge - it's a fairly reasonable idea to drop the CPU voltage and clock rate when it's not doing too much. Even if you're idling properly when you need to it's still cheaper to run at a lower voltage and clock (particularly voltage - the cost of a state transition on a transistor is directly related to the voltage it runs at). -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > > instead of using busy loops. > > No, Speedstep is not supported because Intel won't release > documentation on it (specifically, how to know when it's turned on or > off so the kernel can adjust timing loops). It _does_ give a power > benefit when used on my machine. I have a real problem buying into that explanation. Why would Intel create Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how to use it? It's no benefit to Intel unless Microsoft specifically paid them to add the functionality and keep it exclusive to them. But Microsoft couldn't care less about energy saving. Seems way too much like a conspiracy theory for me. As for power benefits on your machine, my understanding is that the kernel idles when it can but some applications can still keep the cpu busy. Obviously you'll save power over a limited period of time if you slow down the machine - but where's the benefit? It makes the application run longer, and your battery will probably still run out at the same point in your processing - just after a longer elapsed time. derek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
From: "Mark Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:27:24PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > > instead of using busy loops. > > It's not really a kluge - it's a fairly reasonable idea to drop the CPU > voltage and clock rate when it's not doing too much. Even if you're > idling properly when you need to it's still cheaper to run at a lower > voltage and clock (particularly voltage - the cost of a state transition > on a transistor is directly related to the voltage it runs at). Then I must have completely misunderstood about speed-step - I didn't think it could do anything about voltage. And if you only slow the clock, can you really get any saving in a busy loop over the use of idle? derek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html > Why would Intel create Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how > to use it? Why would IBM put a "thinkpad" button on their laptops, create a linux tool to use it, and neither release the tool for general use nor tell people how to use it? Why do companies refuse to release info on anything? > Obviously you'll save power over a limited period of time if you slow down > the machine - but where's the benefit? It makes the application run longer, > and your battery will probably still run out at the same point in your > processing - just after a longer elapsed time. That's assuming that it uses the same amount of power for the same amount of computation, which is probably untrue. CPUs wouldn't be the first thing to be less efficient as they go faster. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! If God is dead, who will save the Queen? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fujitsu Lifebook C-4235 and Woody
David R. Chip Kent IV, 2002-Jan-29 08:19 -0800: > > I'm in the middle of my first attempt to get Debian running on a laptop > and have encountered a few problems. I'm using Gnome, the default > window manager, and Woody. > > Problem 1: > > When X windows are opened, they are too big to fit on the screen (800x600) > and the top bar, where the window can be grabbed and moved, is off the > screen so I end up with a pile of windows I can't move. > > This should be simple, but my knowledge of X goes only far enough to get > it installed on MOST computers. This one didn't fall into that category. This works in Enlightenment, and may work for you. Hold down the Alt key and then the left mouse button with the pointer anywhere in the window you want to move. You should be able to slide the window around till you can get to the top of each window. > Problem 2: > > The network setup files seem to have changed between potato and woody. > Where can I find docs on this? > > I'd appreciate any help I can get so I don't have to install RH (which I > know configures itself properly). There are manual pages on the following: interfaces pcmcia resolv.conf route That should do it. Good luck...jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AMD's PowerNow?
Original Message- From: Derek Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AMD's PowerNow? From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As I understand it, speed-step is not supported because it's a typical > > kludge for Windows. Linux doesn't need it because it idles when not busy > > instead of using busy loops. > > No, Speedstep is not supported because Intel won't release > documentation on it (specifically, how to know when it's turned on or > off so the kernel can adjust timing loops). It _does_ give a power > benefit when used on my machine. >I have a real problem buying into that explanation. Why would Intel create >Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how to use it? It's no benefit to >Intel unless Microsoft specifically paid them to add the functionality and >keep it exclusive to them. But Microsoft couldn't care less about energy >saving. Seems way too much like a conspiracy theory for me. >As for power benefits on your machine, my understanding is that the kernel >idles when it can but some applications can still keep the cpu busy. >Obviously you'll save power over a limited period of time if you slow down >the machine - but where's the benefit? It makes the application run longer, >and your battery will probably still run out at the same point in your >processing - just after a longer elapsed time. > >derek Actually I think they added that into their mobile processors to keep Transmeta from taking market share from their mobile processor line. The Crusoe processor as far as I know was the first one to actually slow the cpu clock down depending what program was being run. It's not just slowing it down when their is idle time. Do you really need a processor running at 1Mhz. to run a text editing tool? No but you would need that speed to play a DVD. The faster the processor speed the more power it uses. So if you slow down or speed up depending on the work load you should see a difference in power usage. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Alan Shutko wrote: > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html > > > Why would Intel create Speed-step cpus and then not let you know how > > to use it? > > Why would IBM put a "thinkpad" button on their laptops, create a linux > tool to use it, and neither release the tool for general use nor tell > people how to use it? Why do companies refuse to release info on > anything? Do you mean that there is a tool for thinkpad's innerworks, from IBM? I know there is a OSS version, but it can't do everything that IBM's DOS utility can.. Psi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html That's certainly definitive. It's the same unsupported allegation from a different source. :-) And James said: > Actually I think they added that into their mobile processors to keep > Transmeta > from taking market share from their mobile processor line. The Crusoe > processor Sure - but how does Intel benefit from it unless the O/Ss are capable of using it? The only business reason for Intel to keep it secret is if they did it for a specific customer. derek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AMD's PowerNow?
-Original Message- From: Derek Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AMD's PowerNow? From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a real problem buying into that explanation. > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Jul/0039.html >That's certainly definitive. It's the same unsupported allegation from a >different source. :-) >And James said: > Actually I think they added that into their mobile processors to keep > Transmeta > from taking market share from their mobile processor line. The Crusoe > processor >Sure - but how does Intel benefit from it unless the O/Ss are capable of >using it? The only business reason for Intel to keep it secret is if they >did it for a specific customer. >derek Or they are trying to cover up how badly made it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suspending successfully from X-windows
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 07:45 am, Brian P. Flaherty wrote: > Oliver Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [some material deleted below] > > > Some notebooks seem to suspend OK from a virtual terminal, but not > > from X-windows. I had that problem and found a solution. The setup > > here is a Gateway Solo3350 with a Phoenix NoteBIOS 4.0 release 6.0 > > (serial 25.04). This trick may apply also to other notebooks using > > that same BIOS. > > Well, I tried it on my Gateway Solo 9300 and it appears to work. My > BIOS is the same 4.0 and release 6.0, but I don't see a serial > number. At boot time it also says system software version 16.53. I > don't know if that is relevant or not. I have only tried suspending X > twice so far, but so far so good. Great! There's another data point. > > > - > > #!/bin/sh > > > > XVT=7 > > if [ -x fgconsole -a -x chvt ]; then > > [ $(fgconsole) -eq $XVT ] && chvt $XVT > > fi > > I am still learning bash scripting, and the above is not clear to me. > To me, it looks like line three is saying "if the current vt is 7 then > switch to vt 7." This cannot be correct, so what does it really mean? No, you've got it exactly right. If it is in vt7 (i.e., in X) then it "switches" to vt7 (i.e., to where it already is).. Of course if $(fgconsole) does not return 7, then you are already in another console and so don't need to do anything, since suspend already works then. I tried it first switching to another console. Then, by accident, I set it to switch to the 7 it was already in. It still works. What it seems to be doing is making X do something (or stopping X from doing something??) regardless of what vt you're switching to. > > Also, are there any problems with running fgconsole and chvt suid > root? Does another group have whatever priviledges are necessary to > do this (or could one be created)? Maybe. But probably some of X would have to be set sgid for that to work. I think that on a laptop it is not very much of a risk to have these two utilities suid root. Could the user and the programs > belong to this other group instead and would this work? My laptop is > actually never on-line directly (it is only ever behind an IP > masquerading desktop), so maybe these programs running suid root is > not so bad? Yeah, that's my opinion. My laptop is never exposed to the raw internet, either. > > Thanks for posting this. It will be nice not to switch to VT 1--6 > prior to closing the lid. > > Brian -- Oliver Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> San Francisco, California USA GPG KeyID=A2ACE692 GPG Fingerprint=BE4A C1B8 EB0D 8FD9 737D CE4A 1E56 BF9B A2AC E692 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:05:54PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > Sure - but how does Intel benefit from it unless the O/Ss are capable of > using it? The only business reason for Intel to keep it secret is if they > did it for a specific customer. One could say the same thing of any hardware interface that people don't release specs for. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." msg06510/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 01:32:03PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > Then I must have completely misunderstood about speed-step - I didn't think > it could do anything about voltage. And if you only slow the clock, can you > really get any saving in a busy loop over the use of idle? Even if you're idling properly you're still going to want to wake up every once in a while to do stuff - housekeeping of various kinds, for example. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." msg06511/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's certainly definitive. It's the same unsupported allegation from a > different source. :-) Sure, but at least it's a kernel developer, on the lkml, and was not contested. Email Jeff yourself if you want more info, or try to get data from Intel. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! Don't let your status become too quo! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
Pasi Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do you mean that there is a tool for thinkpad's innerworks, from > IBM? I meant specifically the thinkpad button on recent thinkpads, nothing else. It was shipped with Linux preloads but is unavailable elsewhere, last I checked. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! RAM wasn't built in a day. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inspiron 4100
I'm considering a few laptops to replace a loaner I have which I really like (IBM T21). I'm specifically looking at the Dell Inspiron 4100 with the Nvidia card (32mb) and a few upgraded such as hard disk drive, etc. I will only be running debian on it so dualbooting is not important. My main areas of concern are: *does the video work well? I've used the Geforce cards before in desktops but never in laptops. Comments? *any issues with suspend/resume on this particular line? *any bios or other issues which cause problems with doing a debian install? Thanks. -- Michael Perry | "Do or do not; there is no try" Master Yoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lnxpowered.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with TP600 console
Hi, I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was there on the HDD and tried installing woody on it. I had only the first CD. I could easily install the base system with no problems, but there is a problem now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen real estate) at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't tried so far, but I want to have console properly, as I want to read mails etc in console. Have anyone encountered this while installing debian on the TP600? Ramakrishnan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with TP600 console
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:30:25PM -0500, Muthukrishnan, Ramakrishnan wrote: > Hi, > > I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was > there on the > HDD and tried installing woody on it. I had only the first CD. I could > easily install the base system with no problems, but there is a problem > now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I > boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen > real estate) > at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that > area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed > area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't > tried so far, but I want to have console properly, as I want to read > mails etc in console. Have anyone encountered this while installing > debian on the TP600? The cause of the shrunken screen lies in the "display stretch" setting. LCD panels do not scale the pixels in the same way as a CRT, so if your panel's maximum resolution is 800x600, anything smaller than that doesn't take up the entire screen. That is, unless you have display stretch turned on. This is usually a setting in the BIOS, although there may be a user-space linux program to control it for your machine. For X, if you run your display at the maximum allowed by your panel, then you won't have any problem. HTH, -- Mike Alborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # pgp keyid: C36DC30B # http://odoitau.dyn.dhs.org You don't move to Edina, you achieve Edina. -- Guindon msg06516/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with TP600 console
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:30:25PM -0500, Muthukrishnan, Ramakrishnan wrote: > Hi, > > I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was > there on the > now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I > boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen > real estate) There are 2 possible solutions... 1) In the bios enable something like 'display stretch'. This way the 80x25 text screen will be stretched to full size. 2) Start using a vesa framebuffer, and tell Lilo or grub what vesa mode you want to use (I'm using 0x117 I think). Then the kernel will put you in some high res (which will use full screen if you choose the correct modes) and you'll be able to get more text on the screen too. I'm currently in vesafb mode and get about a 110x60 character screen :) The same goes for X ofcourse... choose a resolution that matches the max resolution for the LCD panel and you'll have full screen. > at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that > area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed > area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't Without vesafb it's also possible, using SVGAtextmode... but this breaks on my laptop because it has really buggy VGA drivers :( Maybe more luck on yours :) but beware, you might have to reboot ofter before you get the correct modes without screwing up the screen. -- Mark Janssen Unix / Linux, Open-Source and Internet Consultant @ SyConOS IT E-mail: mark(at)markjanssen.nl / maniac(at)maniac.nl GnuPG Key Id: 357D2178 Web: Maniac.nl Unix-God.[Net|Org] MarkJanssen.[com|net|org|nl] SyConOS.[com|nl] msg06517/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with TP600 console
that's normal. It's only showing 80X25 at vga resolution. When you run X, make sure to put it at 800X600 or 1024X768. I have a 600E and it does the same thing. glen On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:30:25PM -0500, Muthukrishnan, Ramakrishnan wrote: > Hi, > > I got my TP 600 from ebay yesterday, I wiped off the win95 which was > there on the > HDD and tried installing woody on it. I had only the first CD. I could > easily install the base system with no problems, but there is a problem > now. While it booted win95, it used to come full screen. The moment I > boot the woody CD, it goes into a small screen (may be i/3 of the sceen > real estate) > at the center of the 13.3" screen. Now everything comes only in that > area. What could be the problem? The surrounding area of the displayed > area are all blank. May be X will come properly, I haven't > tried so far, but I want to have console properly, as I want to read > mails etc in console. Have anyone encountered this while installing > debian on the TP600? > > Ramakrishnan > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Glen S Mehn Lead Systems Administrator SquareTrade, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]Building Trust in Transactions (sm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emailsetup for Laptops
martedì 29 gennaio 2002, alle 00:31, Oliver Andrich: : Hi, : : after successfully getting my Toshiba 3000-514 (a detailed howto will be : available soon) to work under Debian woody. I have still one issue open. My : mail reader of choice is mutt, so I need to setup some kind of low impact : mailsystem on my machine. I thought about exim, sendmail and postfix but : skipped this, cause I don't need any kind of mailservice on my laptop at all. : : Oliver, I do think that either exim or postfix are good solutions ro use on a laptop. I used sendmail, then exim now postfix. The last is easy to configure and does not consume much resources. I have a really small laptop (Contura Aero 8MB RAM) with smail on it. If you do not want a server then go and look for Archimedes on sourceforge it a GTK based application with support for POP3, external SMTP (with queueing in offline mode), support for more account, filetering and all sort of thinks. I like its look and feel. This is not mutt or Pine or elm, it an X based app. But you don't have any server. Regards Stefano -- Stefano Canepa e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To follow the path: look at the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see trough the master, become the master. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with TP600 console
Mark Janssen wrote: > > There are 2 possible solutions... > > 1) In the bios enable something like 'display stretch'. This way the > 80x25 text screen will be stretched to full size. I couldn't find such an option on the Thinkpad 600 BIOS. > 2) Start using a vesa framebuffer, and tell Lilo or grub what vesa mode > you want to use (I'm using 0x117 I think). Then the kernel will put you > in some high res (which will use full screen if you choose the correct > modes) and you'll be able to get more text on the screen too. Ok. I will try this today. Thanks for all the replies. Ramakrishnan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMD's PowerNow?
Hi everybody, I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors as a reasonable choice. Or am I misinformed? IS there support for PowerNow? Does anybody know if/when this will be possible? Thx in advance! Max -- An expert is someone who can afterwards tell you exactly, why his prognosis was not correct. < Winston Churchill > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
There's been a bit of bitching about the lack of info from vendors but no-one has picked up on Mark's comment, and talked about ACPI. I've got an AMD notebook with PowerNow and ACPI support (in BIOS) and have exchanged email with someone who said that theirs (same model, but higher clock speed) was overheating UNTIL they enabled ACPI in the linux kernel. I'm just getting around to doing it myself but the direct implication is that ACPI allowed his linux laptop to run cooler... So, any comments on how ACPI helps? Can it exploit PowerNow or is it something else that makes it run cooler? Brett On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:50:07PM +0100, Markus Amersdorfer wrote: > > > I know it's bit off-topic, but I'm going to buy a notebook (and of > > course install Debian), and I can't believe that AMD's PowerNow is not > > supported with Linux!? To me, this actually just leaves Intel-Processors > > as a reasonable choice. (Am I right assuming SpeedStep _is_ supported?) > > Neither is supported (I guess ACPI might give some support, but...). > There are patches out there but I believe they're targetted for merge > during kernel version 2.5 development. > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LILO on a Toshiba Tecra 500CDT gives an error
Hi all I'm trying to install Woody on this laptop. It has a floppy drive xor a CD-ROM drive; the two can't be used at the same time. So I started with Toms Root and Boot disk (http://www.toms.net/rb), used it to partition and format the hard disk and to wget the base2_2.tgz from my server. I get to the point where base2_2.tgz is unpacked, lilo.conf is set up just right and everything is ready to run lilo. But lilo says: --- snip --- /# lilo -r /mnt -v LILO Version 20, Copyright 1992-1997 Werner Almesberger Reading boot sector from current root. Can't put the boot sector on logical partition 0x306 /# _ --- snap --- The file systems are mounted as follows: /dev/hda6 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda7 on /mnt/home type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda5 is the swap partition. lilo.conf has: --- snip --- lba32 boot=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hda6 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map prompt timeout=20 vga=2 default=Linux image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only image=/vmlinuz.old label=LinuxOLD read-only optional --- snap --- I just don't get it. LILO shouldn't try to put the boot sector on /dev/hda6, but on /dev/hda1?? Any help is appreciated. Beat Bolli -- mail: `echo '<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' | sed -e 's/[A-S]//g'` pgp: 0x506A903A; 49D5 794A EA77 F907 764F D89E 304B 93CF 506A 903A icbm: 47° 02' 43.0" N, 07° 16' 17.5" E (WGS84) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LILO on a Toshiba Tecra 500CDT gives an error
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:53:52PM +0100, Beat Bolli wrote: > Hi all > > I'm trying to install Woody on this laptop. It has a floppy drive xor a > CD-ROM drive; the two can't be used at the same time. > > So I started with Toms Root and Boot disk (http://www.toms.net/rb), used it > to partition and format the hard disk and to wget the base2_2.tgz from my > server. I get to the point where base2_2.tgz is unpacked, lilo.conf is > set up just right and everything is ready to run lilo. > > But lilo says: > --- snip --- > /# lilo -r /mnt -v > LILO Version 20, Copyright 1992-1997 Werner Almesberger > > Reading boot sector from current root. > Can't put the boot sector on logical partition 0x306 > /# _ > --- snap --- > > The file systems are mounted as follows: > > /dev/hda6 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hda7 on /mnt/home type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hda1 on /mnt/boot type ext2 (rw) > > /dev/hda5 is the swap partition. > > lilo.conf has: > --- snip --- > lba32 > boot=/dev/hda1 > root=/dev/hda6 > compact > install=/boot/boot.b > map=/boot/map > prompt > timeout=20 > vga=2 > default=Linux > image=/vmlinuz > label=Linux > read-only > image=/vmlinuz.old > label=LinuxOLD > read-only > optional > --- snap --- > > I just don't get it. LILO shouldn't try to put the boot sector on /dev/hda6, > but on /dev/hda1?? Perhaps try "boot=/dev/hda" instead of "boot=/dev/hda1" That will install LILO into the MBR, which might work better. HTH, -- Mike Alborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # pgp keyid: C36DC30B # http://odoitau.dyn.dhs.org If in doubt, mumble. msg06524/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fujitsu Lifebook C-4235 and Woody
> > I'm in the middle of my first attempt to get Debian running on a laptop > and have encountered a few problems. I'm using Gnome, the default > window manager, and Woody. > > Problem 1: > > When X windows are opened, they are too big to fit on the screen (800x600) > and the top bar, where the window can be grabbed and moved, is off the > screen so I end up with a pile of windows I can't move. My laptop also has a card which speaks 1024x768 but only shows 800x600. Use an external monitor during setup, and give yourself some screen modes which are small enough to fit onscreen.Once happy with things (including testing at least one mode that *fits* onscreen) then make the mode that fits and looks best your default, that is, the first one mentioned in the line of XF86Config that mentions resolutions for a color depth. The first one is usually the highest it can handle, IIRC. Sadly most "desk environments" assume you have LOTS of desk, so I use fvwm (I can tell it where to put the darned buttonbar) or enlightenment (incredibly themeable in regard to buttons that Do Things, or putting things on menus instead) and only run Gnome and K apps, not their desks. > This should be simple, but my knowledge of X goes only far enough to get > it installed on MOST computers. This one didn't fall into that category. Luckily -very- few laptops have problems adding a CRT "in flight" - you should be able to complete the config as long as you're near enough an external monitor. More work, if your horiz/vert syncs are too far from normal monitors (hope not, you said it's a lifebook, right?) you may have to visit a lucky pal with an LCD monitor, or be willing to make lots of copies of XF86Config and play a little by hand. > Problem 2: > > The network setup files seem to have changed between potato and woody. > Where can I find docs on this? /etc/network/interfaces has a pretty simple layout... is that what you're looking at, or are you using a PCMCIA card? > I'd appreciate any help I can get so I don't have to install RH (which I > know configures itself properly). > > Chip Curiously enough if you got it working happily enough with X you can, ahem, steal its config file. As long as you make sure X is about the same rev, and fix the fontpaths so they're correct, the monitor section itself can be moved around wholesale. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD's PowerNow?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Brett Sealey wrote: > There's been a bit of bitching about the lack of info from vendors but > no-one has picked up on Mark's comment, and talked about ACPI. > > I've got an AMD notebook with PowerNow and ACPI support (in BIOS) and > have exchanged email with someone who said that theirs (same model, > but higher clock speed) was overheating UNTIL they enabled ACPI in the > linux kernel. > > I'm just getting around to doing it myself but the direct implication > is that ACPI allowed his linux laptop to run cooler... > > So, any comments on how ACPI helps? Can it exploit PowerNow or is it > something else that makes it run cooler? It can, in theory, do anything that APM can do, including drop the CPU speed, invoke PowerNow and the like. I don't know about the practice, though. It's supposed to be reasonably good at what it does, day to day, but I don't really use it. Daniel -- It's disconcerting to realize how little you have to say to someone who once occupied such a prominent place in your bed. -- Sue Grafton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LILO on a Toshiba Tecra 500CDT gives an error
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 03:15:57PM -0800, Mike Alborn wrote: > Perhaps try "boot=/dev/hda" instead of "boot=/dev/hda1" That will > install LILO into the MBR, which might work better. I've tried this already; there's also an error message that I can't verify right mow, as I'm not at home at this moment. More later... Thx Beat -- mail: `echo '<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' | sed -e 's/[A-S]//g'` pgp: 0x506A903A; 49D5 794A EA77 F907 764F D89E 304B 93CF 506A 903A icbm: 47° 02' 43.0" N, 07° 16' 17.5" E (WGS84) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
