Re: Anybody installed on HP Pavilion XH215?
The model seems very similiar to their N5000 series in general. The XH215 specs are: PIII 750 194MB RAM (not one of the more common RAM demoninations) CD-RW 13.3" screen 56k+NIC 20G HD PCMCIA slots of some sort Sound of some sort Unfortunately, CostCo has great prices, but pretty much puts their merchandise in warehouses, with stacked cardboard boxes. They're really good about selecting high-quality stuff in general though. I'll probably think about it for a while to see if HP rolls out some info on their website. I'll probably buy it anyway. :) --- "John R. Sheets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 26, 2001, Alan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <> > > Nope, haven't heard of it. Is it brand new? What does it have in it? > I'm running Debian woody on my Pavilion N5195 laptop, and for the most > part it works pretty well. I haven't gotten APM working yet, nor the > middle scrollbutton below the trackpad. You could look up the N5195 > on hp.com, and if it's similar, I could give you some pointers. You > might be able to get some hardware stats from CostCo too. > > Otherwise, I've heard that HP is going to roll out a bunch of new > stuff on its linux.hp.com website in the next month or so (just second > hand info, so don't quote me on that). > > John __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: XFree86-4 and external mice
i - Original Message - From: "Jo Geraerts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bruno Waes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: XFree86-4 and external mice > Maybe you must disable the pad in your bios? i cant disable it in my bios ... bruno
HELP, ThinkPad380ED, Music
Anyhow - Dear Wizzards, How do I get to play music on my debian2.2? It does not recognize "sndconfig"! Why was I born intellectually challenged? Hearthstone. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Anybody installed on HP Pavilion XH215?
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:18:17PM -0800, Alan Chen wrote: > > Unfortunately, CostCo has great prices, but pretty much puts their merchandise > in warehouses, with stacked cardboard boxes. They're really good about > selecting high-quality stuff in general though. I'll probably think about it > for a while to see if HP rolls out some info on their website. I'll probably > buy it anyway. :) > No, it's not brand new, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for HP to put any info on their website. The model is no longer being manufatured, and as such, HP themselves are not selling it, so they actually took what little info about the machine they did have off their website. I bought a pavilion N3310 last summer. HP has one, that's right ONE owners manual for all Pavilion notebooks. Inside the front cover it says "You can find technical information on the internet. Visit our support site at www.hp.com/notebook." Read those two lines again. No one will argue that you can find technical information on the internet. No one will argue that HP has a notebook support site at www.hp.com/notebook. But I, and probably other HP users, will tell you that those two sentences have very little to do with eachother. Just look at the kind of info they have for their current models. I hardly consider that technical info. Take for example the n5240. All they say is "Intel Celeron 700 Mhz 128 MB 8X(max) DVD-ROM 10.0 GB 13.3- inch TFT XGA 56k modem built-in Lithium ion battery". And I think they charge big $$ for real person tech support. Also, the modem won't work. Not even in Windows. There's a hardware, or most likely software, [it IS a winmodem], bug that made them stop working on Feb 21. http://www.hp.com/cposupport/mobile_computing/support_doc/lpi04408.html And there's also a BIOS update (already). If you're still interested, here's the URL for the XH215: http://www.hp.com/cposupport/prodhome/hppavillio28312.html Notice there's two l's there, while they spell it 'pavilion'. Makes me wonder how much thought went into the whole thing. I can't say I've had any real problems with my pavilion. Probably a good thing, because using a "unsupported" OS voids the warranty. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: XFree86-4 and external mice
> i have a sony vaio f180 and i have a working X4, only my alps pad is > broken so i need to use a external mouse i have a ps2 and a serial > one, but i cant get one of them to work, although i tested progeny > debian before and the ps2 one worked ok there ... > any idea what is wrong ? > thanks > bruno Some laptops require the mouse to be connected on boot time, in order to disable the internal pad. I also had problems with a DELL, where the external mouse wouldn't work any more after a suspend. So you should boot with a mouse and try then. BTW, have you checked if PS2 mouse support is enabled in your kernel and if /dev/mouse is a pointer to /dev/psaux? > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "XFree86 Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > Section "Files" > EndSection > Section "Module" > Load "GLcore" > Load "dbe" > Load "dri" > Load "extmod" > Load "glx" > Load "pex5" > Load "record" > Load "xie" > EndSection > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "keyboard" > EndSection > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "PS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > EndSection > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName"Monitor Model" > HorizSync31.5-48.5 > VertRefresh 60 > EndSection > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > #Option "NoLinear" > #Option "NoAccel" > Option "SWcursor" > #Option "noMMIO" > #Option "internDisp" > #Option "externDisp" > #Option "LcdCenter" > #Option "ShadowFB" > #Option "NoStretch" > #Option "pciBurst" > #Option "Rotate" > #Option "progLcdModeRegs" > #Option "progLcdModeStretch" > #Option "overrideValidateMode" > Identifier "Neomagic NM2200" > Driver "neomagic" > VendorName "Neomagic" > BoardName "NM2200" > BusID "PCI:0:8:0" > EndSection > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Neomagic NM2200" > Monitor"Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 16 > DefaultFbBpp 16 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 4 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 8 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 15 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > EndSubSection > EndSection > Section "DRI" > EndSection Torsten Reuss, Oy Comptel Ab (_\_|___|_/_) Ruoholahdenkatu 4, FIN-00180 HELSINKI, Finland /\__(o o) Telephone: +358 9 700 11 307/_\ / Fax: +358 9 700 11 375 #|_|_/ O Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | \ | \ ^ ^ ^ ^
Re: PCMCIA doesn't work anymore
--- "Felix E. Klee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > thanks to all those who replied so far. The Xircom modem does work again > (I didn't include PCMCIA serial devices support into the kernel). > However, my FA510c network card still doesn't work (I always hear a high > low beep sequence when inserting the card). > > Felix The "high low" beep sequence means "I know there's a new PCMCIA card inserted, but I have no clue of which driver to use for it" (i.e. there is no entry for this card in the database). I had a similar problem with a D-Link network card (I don't remerber the model name) with the PCMCIA package shipped with Debian 2.2r0. I had to manually add a new entry in /etc/pcmcia/config. The whole process is described in the PCMCIA-HOWTO. It can be found there: http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PCMCIA-HOWTO-6.html Of course you have to know which driver to use... May the network be with you! Francois. = Francois BOTTIN -- "How kind," the PFY sighs. "But where will I go?" "Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip!" "But I don't want to visit Microsoft!" he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
IBM Thinkpad A21p
Hi all, I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly Debian, of course) on such a beast? Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) and the 3com claims to support DOS (but not Linux - sigh) so presumably would be the best choice unless anyone has specific experience. Also, I think I might be better with an "Ethernet" adaptor than an "EtherJet" one... sounds suspicious... :-) Any and all comments and experience welcome. Regards, Andrew. -- _ Andrew McMillan, e-mail: Andrew at catalyst.net.nz Catalyst IT Ltd, PO Box 10-225, Level 22, 105 The Terrace, Wellington Me: +64 (21) 635 694, Fax: +64 (4) 499 5596, Office: +64 (4) 499 2267
Re: HELP, ThinkPad380ED, Music
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:26:28PM -0800, Jan Hearthstone wrote: >Anyhow - Dear Wizzards, > How do I get to play music on my debian2.2? > It does not recognize "sndconfig"! > Why was I born intellectually challenged? > Hearthstone. No, there's no sndconfig in Debian. A few suggestions- Check http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ for your make/ model. When posting to the mailinglists, ask specific questions and provide as much detail about the circumstance as possible. For example "My laptop has a Yamaha OPL3 sound chip, how do I get it working." If you don't know what hardware you have, send a COMPLETE dmesg. Use 'dmesg > dmesg.txt' to put dmesg output to a text file. As far as being intellectually challenged, ask your mother what she was doing when she was pregnant with you. ;p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. I am running debian/testing on an A20p. The screen size is 1400x1050, and thet is the same for the A21p, isn't ti? (Resolution is 116 dpi) > Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly > Debian, of course) on such a beast? > > Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) > 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) Why? It has builtin modem and ethernet. Both work fine an my A20p. But AFAIK the modem is a different one in the A21p. -- Dipl. Informatikingenieur ETH Frank Petzold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ceterum censeo parvomollem esse delendam.
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. At least certain Dell Inspirons can be had with an UXGA display at 1600x1200. I ordered my Inspiron 5000e with 1400x1050, though. Not that this is terribly small... ;-)) Andreas Mohr
X instability
Hi. I'm running woody (I know, I know, but I have another machine running it which is extremely stable so...) My problem is that X is quite unstable (I use this machine for work, and X crashes about once a day. I had RedHat 7 on this machine before, and it didn't crash a single time (not once). Actually, RedHat installed XFree86 3.3.6, but woody uses 4.0... not sure if that's the problem... I have a Mitac 6120N, with an ATi Rage LT Pro video adapter (using ati driver). Ideas? -- Davíð Steinn Geirsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (354)-8696608 "Support staff hung over, Send aspirin and come back LATER." pgpw4yhxXexkA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
Frank Rudolf Georg Petzold wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. I am running debian/testing on an A20p. The screen size is 1400x1050, and thet is the same for the A21p, isn't ti? (Resolution is 116 dpi) No, the A21p 15'' monitor runs best at 1600x1200. Running debian/potato, I had to install XFree 4.0.2 from http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ to get it working, but have had no trouble since. Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly Debian, of course) on such a beast? Yes, I'm running debian/potato (mainly, see above) and everything I've tried to get to work so far, works. (I haven't tried to get the modem or sound working, but I've seen web-pages claiming to have get it to work. See http://www.linuxcare.com/labs/certs/pada21p.epl) I'm currently collecting my experiences on "http://www.maths.lth.se/matstat/staff/finn/linux/a21p.html";. Not much there right now, but check back in a few hours... :-) Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) Why? It has builtin modem and ethernet. Both work fine an my A20p. But AFAIK the modem is a different one in the A21p. Not all A21p:s have modem and ethernet built-in. My A21p has a modem (don't know if it's built-in or PCI), but the ethernet is an "IBM 10/100 EtherJet Cardbus Adapter" PCMCIA card. (This card needs some config fiddling to work in debian/potato, see my message on the tread "Re: update: PCMCIA "make all" errors" on this list). Finn Lindgren -- Finn Lindgren ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. > > > Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly > Debian, of course) on such a beast? Yes. I have the IBM A21p since December or November. Linux runs quite cute, FreeBSD seems to make some problems. You can run XFree 4 in 1600*1200, very very nice :-) Don't try, XFree 3.x.x. I have the 3com network interface and it works great. greetings thalunil -- checking for the validity of the Maxwell laws on this machine... ok checking if e=mc^2... ok checking if we can safely swap on /dev/fd0... yes (Ausgabe von "configure" bei kvirc 2.0)
Re: Simple & Mouse with Debian on Vaio F340
Thanks to everyone who helped me with my mouse problem.
I had used the "simple" option during installation of
Debian 2.2.2r to select packages by "tasks", and I read only
recently that that does not select all the packages considered
standard to run Debian (this is considered a bug to be corrected in the
next release). Once I added the missing standard packages
with "tasksel -s" and then removed gpm the mouse worked.
Before that it did not work either with or without gpm.
Steve
"Neil L. Roeth" wrote:
>
> Sorry if this has been discussed in this thread already, but people
> often experience problems if they have gpm installed. This package
> enables you to use the mouse in console mode, and since it captures
> mouse events, can interfere with the mouse under X. Do "dpkg --status
> gpm" to see if it is installed. If it is, you can either get rid of
> it ("dpkg --purge gpm" or "dpkg --remove gpm") or link the mouse to
> it. I think that is done by linking /dev/mouse to /dev/gpmdata or
> something like that. Check the archives of debian-laptop and
> debian-user for the exact method. I did the "dpkg --purge gpm" on my
> machine. Don't miss it at all.
>
> If that doesn't work, XF86Setup does have some initial keyboard driven
> screens that let you easily cycle through the various mouse
> configurations until you find one that works.
>
> HTH
>
> On Feb 25, steven k. thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > My mouse (trackpad) does not work after installing many packages,
> > including gnome related, on my Sony Vaio F340. I have
> > /dev/mouse in /etc/XF86Config and I linked
> > ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse. Does anyone have an idea what
> > to do next or how I might probe to check it out?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > "Neil L. Roeth" wrote:
> > >
> > > Check the file $HOME/.xsession-errors for clues. Also, I've had
> > > better luck with xf86config than with XF86Setup.
> > >
> > > On Feb 22, Steven K Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > I would appreciate any advice on getting X etc. to work with my
> > > > Sony Vaio F340. It has the NeoMagic NM2200 Chipset.
> > > >
> > > > When I type startx I get a blank, grainy screen, and nothing else
> > > > happens. The trackpad does move the pointer, however.
> > > >
> > > > During installation I chose the twm window manager for no apparent
> reason;
> > > > I think it was given as the default, but I would be open to changing
> it.
> > > > I chose the "simple" option for selecting packages and selected
> everything
> > > > associated with Gnome.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neil L. Roeth
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> >
> > --
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>
> --
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Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110!
Deal all: I've tried to enable my IrDA of my TOSHIBA Libretto 110 for months, but still missing something so the primary goal still can't be achieved, I'd like to "sync" with my Palm PDA, but only with IrDA device. The kernel has detected the the IrDA chip and registered, here is the messages for "dmesg" : IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) ToshOboe: Found 701 chip at 0xffe0 irq 11 IrDA: Registered device irda0 ToshOboe: Using single tasks, version $Id: toshoboe.c,v 1.91 1999/06/29 14:21:06 So, .. Anyone can tell me the procedure that what should I do (to sync with my PDA is priority, then it's better can be communicated with my mobile phone). Anyone can give me the brief answers, or, tell me where to find the successful case witch came from the debian users experiences, I'll be so appreciated. Net Shu Feb. 28 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110!
Mr. D S Hunnisett wrote: > yup you need to do irattach irda0 Would you please tell me the right procedures ? > > > >Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:42:59 GMT > >X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:43:40 +0800 > >From: Nazareth Shu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Accept-Language: en > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > >Subject: Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110! > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Resent-From: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4891 > >X-Loop: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > >Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Deal all: > > > >I've tried to enable my IrDA of my TOSHIBA Libretto 110 for months, > >but still missing something so the primary goal still can't be achieved, > > > >I'd like to "sync" with my Palm PDA, but only with IrDA device. > > > >The kernel has detected the the IrDA chip and registered, here is > >the > >messages for "dmesg" : > > > >IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) > > > > > > > >ToshOboe: Found 701 chip at 0xffe0 irq 11 > >IrDA: Registered device irda0 > >ToshOboe: Using single tasks, version $Id: toshoboe.c,v 1.91 1999/06/29 > >14:21:06 > > > > > >So, .. Anyone can tell me the procedure that what should I do (to > >sync with my > >PDA is priority, then it's better can be communicated with my mobile > >phone). > > > >Anyone can give me the brief answers, or, tell me where to find the > >successful > >case witch came from the debian users experiences, I'll be so > >appreciated. > > > > > >Net Shu > >Feb. 28 2001 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >-- > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
I have a IBM Thinkpad A20m and its the perfect notebook for me. Its running Debian 2.2 Potato. Stay away from the 3com network interface, I know my A20m uses an Intel EtherPro 10/100 and it works perfect. I am not sure if Intel EtherPro 10/100 = EtherJet. If you go to the IBM web site they have detail technical specs. Also a good way to guarantee Linux Compatibility is to pick the Thinkpad model with linux preinstalled. The screen is incredible and I have an older model! Thinkpads are expensive but worth the investment. Thus spake Andrew McMillan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hi all, > > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. > > > Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly > Debian, of course) on such a beast? > > Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) > 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) > and the 3com claims to support DOS (but not Linux - sigh) so presumably > would be the best choice unless anyone has specific experience. Also, I > think I might be better with an "Ethernet" adaptor than an "EtherJet" > one... sounds suspicious... :-) > -- Todd V. Rovito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carpe Aptenodytes! "Seize the Penguins!"
X config help
I just installed Debian 2.2r2 on my Thinkpad. I was previously running Slackware on this machine and decided to give Debian a try. Maybe this is a newbie Q but... How the heck to you configure gnome & sawmill to work together? I have ~/.xsession with the one line: gnome-session & exec sawmill And this doesn't quite do it. Apparently sawmill and gnome are not binding together properly. I've checked the Debian and Gnome web site for docs. What I have here is not covered - it's assumed I've gotten this far... Also, is there someway I can set this as the global default?
FA510c update
Hi, today, I compiled a kernel with xdsg's kernel config (the only option that I removed was the /dev file system support). Now, when I insert my FA510c network card I still hear a high low beep sequence but the card is correctly identified by cardctl ident. The error message that I get is failed to allocate resource 0 for PCI device 1011:0019 got res[1080:108003ff] for resource 1 of PCI device 1011:0019 got res[1040:1043] for resource 6 of PCI device 1011:0019 PCI: Enabling device 01:00.0 (->0003) PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 01:00.0. Please try using pci=biosirq. What does that mean? What should I do? TIA, Felix
Re: X config help
"Tom Allison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just installed Debian 2.2r2 on my Thinkpad. > I was previously running Slackware on this machine and decided to give > Debian a try. > > Maybe this is a newbie Q but... > > How the heck to you configure gnome & sawmill to work together? > I have ~/.xsession with the one line: > gnome-session & exec sawmill you only need "exec gnome-session". The rest is taken care of by GNOME itself. If you want to use GNOME (not just a panel), you have to select your WM from gnome control center (*NOT* in .xsession). > And this doesn't quite do it. Apparently sawmill and gnome are not binding > together properly. They do, see above :) > I've checked the Debian and Gnome web site for docs. What I have here is > not covered - it's assumed I've gotten this far... > > Also, is there someway I can set this as the global default? Yes. You have to edit system-wide xsession (in /etc/X11 I think). Another way is to use alternatives (seems to be more elegant). You can configure x-window-manager to be gnome-session and it will be started by default (someone, correct my if I'm wrong here). Peter.
Re: X config help
> How the heck to you configure gnome & sawmill to work together? > I have ~/.xsession with the one line: > gnome-session & exec sawmill > And this doesn't quite do it. Apparently sawmill and gnome are not binding > together properly. Only: gnome-session should work fine. You should never need to start up gnome-session in the background. Use gnome control-center to configure what wm you want to use, and gnome-session will start it up for you. /David Westlund
Re: Still Netgear trouble
xsdg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Did you look at my suggestion? If the card works, that should work perfectly > (as noted before, I have the exact same card as you do). Still Netgear trouble: http://www.freebsddiary.org/last-netgear.html -- Stéphane Camberlin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (perso) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (technique) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sourceforge) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (taf)
Re: X instability
> Hi.
>
> I'm running woody (I know, I know, but I have another machine running it
> which is extremely stable so...)
>
> My problem is that X is quite unstable (I use this machine for work, and X
> crashes about once a day.
What sort of "doesn't work" does it do? ("crashes" is vague - does it go
black and dump you text mode; lock the system hard; lock it "soft" eg you
can ssh in and use chvt to switch the console away from your blind X; etc.)
Any particular app get run just as it crashes? (Is something giving it
an "allergy"?)
Error messages?
Run with really verbose logging and then look at the X error log?
*don't* background startx, and see if anything useful burbles onto the
console screen - which, since it's text mode, will outlast the crash...
> I had RedHat 7 on this machine before, and it didn't crash a single time
> (not once). Actually, RedHat installed XFree86 3.3.6, but woody uses 4.0...
> not sure if that's the problem...
>
> I have a Mitac 6120N, with an ATi Rage LT Pro video adapter (using ati
> driver).
>
> Ideas?
Yeah, did you keep your XF86Config from when it worked perfectly before?
Not much, but it may be enough to tell if it's using a wider (maybe more
fragile?) frequency range for the monitor.
* Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
> I have a IBM Thinkpad A20m and its the perfect notebook for me. Its > running Debian 2.2 Potato. Stay away from the 3com network interface, > I know my A20m uses an Intel EtherPro 10/100 and it works perfect. I > am not sure if Intel EtherPro 10/100 = EtherJet. If you go to the > IBM web site they have detail technical specs. Also a good way to > guarantee Linux Compatibility is to pick the Thinkpad model with linux > preinstalled. The screen is incredible and I have an older model! Thinkpads > are expensive but worth the investment. Buying a mchine with Linux pre-installed gives you two things: 1) they know you're a linux user... stand up and be counted :> 2) you get the configs from the setup that they put in there. even if you swap it out later for a different distro. As for "expensive but worth the investment"... I have a thinkpad which is okay... and I won't say "nothing to write home about" since its floppy bay was a lemon. IBM fixed it 3 times (very friendly staff) and it lasted longer each time but ... eventually, I gave up on that floppy bay, got an external one. And I know if I ever want to reinstall from scratch I have to just disassemble it, this takes less time than mailing the box to IBM. A brand name is no guarantee of quality. It may mean they try harder when they have a rep to defend, but you still have to take your chances on the parts inside. I think our friend is very wise to ask which of the ethergadgets he should trust best before buying one. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 04:59:50AM -0500, Todd V . Rovito wrote: > I have a IBM Thinkpad A20m and its the perfect notebook for me. Its > running Debian 2.2 Potato. Stay away from the 3com network interface, The 3com interface works perfectly. It performs quite well, too. 3c59x.c 15Sep00 Donald Becker and others http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html eth0: 3Com 3c556B Laptop Hurricane at 0x1800, 00:00:86:4a:e1:f0, IRQ 11 > preinstalled. The screen is incredible and I have an older model! Thinkpads > are expensive but worth the investment. Yes. These laptops are very very good. I never wanna have anything other. thalunil -- whoami: whoami ist nur was fuer Leute mit Alzheimer! (Begruendung von Microsoft Deutschland fuer das Entfernen des Befehls aus Windows NT.)
Layout Question
I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings about not changing files.. According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf file should consist of something like: alias cs46xx sound alias eepro100 eth0 and really nothing else. In Debian, I have many lines and many aliases and when I try to load a new kernel, the modules won't load... I need to tell Debian that there's a lot of files/modules I have no intention of using. What's the tool(s) to do that? I'm afraid if I edit the /etc/modules.conf directly, the installation will get mad.
Re: Layout Question
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 06:01:49PM +, Tom Allison wrote: > > I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. > I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. > > I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file > directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings > about not changing files.. > > According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf > file should consist of something like: > alias cs46xx sound > alias eepro100 eth0 > > and really nothing else. > In Debian, I have many lines and many aliases and when I try to load a new > kernel, the modules won't load... > I need to tell Debian that there's a lot of files/modules I have no > intention of using. > What's the tool(s) to do that? > > I'm afraid if I edit the /etc/modules.conf directly, the installation will > get mad. It's written *directly* inside that file (i.e.: RTFM ;): ### This file is automatically generated by update-modules # # Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add # anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read # the manpage for update-modules. # ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/0keep # DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE! # This file is not marked as conffile to make sure if you upgrade modutils # it will be restored in case some modifications have been made. -> man update-modules Andreas Mohr
ATI Mach64 and X4?
Hi! Sorry if I'm the 1000st who's asking this question. I'm running woody on an HP Omnibook 4150B with a "ATI Mach64 LM rev 100" (at least thats what XFree says) and I can't get any of my external screens to work. XFree is only starting if I switch back to the TFT and after start I can go back to the screen. But 60Hz and 1024x768 :(( And has someone an answer problem? How to switch between different configurations for different screens. So one at home and another one at the office and so on? Thanks CC. -- Geometric shapes are the easiest. Fractals are simple. But after the Fractals the real mess starts. -- Benoit B. Mandelbrot
Re: Layout Question
* Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010227 19:07]: > I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. > I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. To compile your own kernel, try the "kernel-package" package. In this way you build kernel debian packages you can install/remove with dpkg. > I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file > directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings > about not changing files.. > > According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf > file should consist of something like: > alias cs46xx sound > alias eepro100 eth0 About the Debian way to manage modules, it's a good idea to look at /usr/share/doc/modutils/module-policy.Debian.gz. HTH, -- David
Re: Layout Question
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. > I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. > > I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file > directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings > about not changing files.. > > According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf > file should consist of something like: > alias cs46xx sound > alias eepro100 eth0 > > and really nothing else. > In Debian, I have many lines and many aliases and when I try to load a new > kernel, the modules won't load... > I need to tell Debian that there's a lot of files/modules I have no > intention of using. > What's the tool(s) to do that? modutils. Under most distros, not just debian. The current way of things is to tell it about the things you *do* need. Default kernel images come with lots of builtins you might not use either, (ex: SCSI and RAID controllers, I'm sure I don't have those in my laptop) but you have to recompile to ditch those. > I'm afraid if I edit the /etc/modules.conf directly, the installation will > get mad. Under debian, even most of the conffiles have manpages of their own... man -k is actually useful, since many debian project maintainers go the extra mile and add manpages to the packages. and, we keep loose documentation for packages in directories under /usr/doc and-or /usr/share/doc. There's been recent effort to consolidate these but best to look both places, run man -k and if you know the application's name, man and info before giving up. So, /usr/share/doc/modutils has a number of useful files to read. It happens that the files which *are* safe to edit are in /etc/modutils, but you should still read ahead a bit before leaping in. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: X instability
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:55:57AM -0800, Heather wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'm running woody (I know, I know, but I have another machine running it
> > which is extremely stable so...)
> >
> > My problem is that X is quite unstable (I use this machine for work, and X
> > crashes about once a day.
>
> What sort of "doesn't work" does it do? ("crashes" is vague - does it go
> black and dump you text mode; lock the system hard; lock it "soft" eg you
> can ssh in and use chvt to switch the console away from your blind X; etc.)
>
Crashes on a sig11, dumps me to console.
> Any particular app get run just as it crashes? (Is something giving it
> an "allergy"?)
>
No.
> Error messages?
>
Just the sig11
> Run with really verbose logging and then look at the X error log?
>
Well, I might, but I can't really seem to recreate this at will, and I might
imagine a verbose log for an entire day or so would more than fill this HD
(little room left).
> *don't* background startx, and see if anything useful burbles onto the
> console screen - which, since it's text mode, will outlast the crash...
>
Not quite understanding this... do you mean like piping the startx output to
a log? I've looked at my X startup, don't see anything suspicious really
(except the sig11, which happens with no warning or previous errors, as far
a I can see).
> > I had RedHat 7 on this machine before, and it didn't crash a single time
> > (not once). Actually, RedHat installed XFree86 3.3.6, but woody uses 4.0...
> > not sure if that's the problem...
> >
> > I have a Mitac 6120N, with an ATi Rage LT Pro video adapter (using ati
> > driver).
> >
> > Ideas?
>
> Yeah, did you keep your XF86Config from when it worked perfectly before?
> Not much, but it may be enough to tell if it's using a wider (maybe more
> fragile?) frequency range for the monitor.
>
Unfortunately not... :/
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Re: Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110!
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installing w/ 3Com 3CCFE574BT
The goal is to get a minimum installation up with networking on my 3Com 3CCFE574BT nic there do not seem to be any drivers for this nic any help finding them would be appreciated.. Additionally, the CD-ROM driver is old enough that it will not read the burned CD made from downloading the debian ISO images. Thank you.
not start networking automatically?
can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? thanks, nathanp.
Re: not start networking automatically?
> can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is > not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? > > thanks, > nathanp. not *directly* but... push in the card (beep ... boop) cardctl eject (beep) when you're ready, cardctl insert (beep beep) I usually carry the card plugged in, but hop between 3 or 4 nets a lot and sometimes others, many behind firewalls. (Thus my sig.) WHat gets me is when I forget to issue the eject command and there's no net around then startx hates me (because the yutzy little script wants to reverse resolve my hostname, or something). Sigh. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: not start networking automatically?
> can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is > not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? > > thanks, > nathanp. Hmm, occurs to me I may be misunderstanding the question. Do you mean "not bring up anything when I insert the card" (which I answered with software eject instructions) or do you mean "only bring up modem service right now, ether later"? I can't tell by your card, maybe ifconfig eth0 down ...would be sufficient, or not. Schemes can be used to your advantage. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
how to not start networking automatically?
can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? thanks, nathanp.
Re: not start networking automatically?
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:33:24PM -0800, Heather wrote: > Hmm, occurs to me I may be misunderstanding the question. > > Do you mean "not bring up anything when I insert the card" (which I answered > with software eject instructions) or do you mean "only bring up modem service > right now, ether later"? yeah, that one. i only want modem services. /etc/pcmcia/network stop eth0 works for me, but i just want to automate it so i don't have to type. > I can't tell by your card, maybe > ifconfig eth0 down > > ...would be sufficient, or not. > > Schemes can be used to your advantage. yeah, that sounds good. where can i read about schemes? thanks, nathanp.
Re: PCMCIA doesn't work anymore
--- "Felix E. Klee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > thanks to all those who replied so far. The Xircom modem does work again > (I didn't include PCMCIA serial devices support into the kernel). > However, my FA510c network card still doesn't work (I always hear a high > low beep sequence when inserting the card). > > Felix The "high low" beep sequence means "I know there's a new PCMCIA card inserted, but I have no clue of which driver to use for it" (i.e. there is no entry for this card in the database). I had a similar problem with a D-Link network card (I don't remerber the model name) with the PCMCIA package shipped with Debian 2.2r0. I had to manually add a new entry in /etc/pcmcia/config. The whole process is described in the PCMCIA-HOWTO. It can be found there: http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PCMCIA-HOWTO-6.html Of course you have to know which driver to use... May the network be with you! Francois. = Francois BOTTIN -- "How kind," the PFY sighs. "But where will I go?" "Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip!" "But I don't want to visit Microsoft!" he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IBM Thinkpad A21p
Hi all, I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly Debian, of course) on such a beast? Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) and the 3com claims to support DOS (but not Linux - sigh) so presumably would be the best choice unless anyone has specific experience. Also, I think I might be better with an "Ethernet" adaptor than an "EtherJet" one... sounds suspicious... :-) Any and all comments and experience welcome. Regards, Andrew. -- _ Andrew McMillan, e-mail: Andrew at catalyst.net.nz Catalyst IT Ltd, PO Box 10-225, Level 22, 105 The Terrace, Wellington Me: +64 (21) 635 694, Fax: +64 (4) 499 5596, Office: +64 (4) 499 2267 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP, ThinkPad380ED, Music
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:26:28PM -0800, Jan Hearthstone wrote: >Anyhow - Dear Wizzards, > How do I get to play music on my debian2.2? > It does not recognize "sndconfig"! > Why was I born intellectually challenged? > Hearthstone. No, there's no sndconfig in Debian. A few suggestions- Check http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ for your make/ model. When posting to the mailinglists, ask specific questions and provide as much detail about the circumstance as possible. For example "My laptop has a Yamaha OPL3 sound chip, how do I get it working." If you don't know what hardware you have, send a COMPLETE dmesg. Use 'dmesg > dmesg.txt' to put dmesg output to a text file. As far as being intellectually challenged, ask your mother what she was doing when she was pregnant with you. ;p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. I am running debian/testing on an A20p. The screen size is 1400x1050, and thet is the same for the A21p, isn't ti? (Resolution is 116 dpi) > Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly > Debian, of course) on such a beast? > > Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) > 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) Why? It has builtin modem and ethernet. Both work fine an my A20p. But AFAIK the modem is a different one in the A21p. -- Dipl. Informatikingenieur ETH Frank Petzold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ceterum censeo parvomollem esse delendam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. At least certain Dell Inspirons can be had with an UXGA display at 1600x1200. I ordered my Inspiron 5000e with 1400x1050, though. Not that this is terribly small... ;-)) Andreas Mohr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X instability
Hi. I'm running woody (I know, I know, but I have another machine running it which is extremely stable so...) My problem is that X is quite unstable (I use this machine for work, and X crashes about once a day. I had RedHat 7 on this machine before, and it didn't crash a single time (not once). Actually, RedHat installed XFree86 3.3.6, but woody uses 4.0... not sure if that's the problem... I have a Mitac 6120N, with an ATi Rage LT Pro video adapter (using ati driver). Ideas? -- Davíð Steinn Geirsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (354)-8696608 "Support staff hung over, Send aspirin and come back LATER." PGP signature
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
Frank Rudolf Georg Petzold wrote: > On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: >> I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that >> 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. >> Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. > > I am running debian/testing on an A20p. The screen size is 1400x1050, and > thet is the same for the A21p, isn't ti? (Resolution is 116 dpi) No, the A21p 15'' monitor runs best at 1600x1200. Running debian/potato, I had to install XFree 4.0.2 from http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ to get it working, but have had no trouble since. >> Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly >> Debian, of course) on such a beast? Yes, I'm running debian/potato (mainly, see above) and everything I've tried to get to work so far, works. (I haven't tried to get the modem or sound working, but I've seen web-pages claiming to have get it to work. See http://www.linuxcare.com/labs/certs/pada21p.epl) I'm currently collecting my experiences on "http://www.maths.lth.se/matstat/staff/finn/linux/a21p.html". Not much there right now, but check back in a few hours... :-) >> Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: >> 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) >> 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) >> 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) > > Why? It has builtin modem and ethernet. Both work fine an my A20p. But AFAIK > the modem is a different one in the A21p. Not all A21p:s have modem and ethernet built-in. My A21p has a modem (don't know if it's built-in or PCI), but the ethernet is an "IBM 10/100 EtherJet Cardbus Adapter" PCMCIA card. (This card needs some config fiddling to work in debian/potato, see my message on the tread "Re: update: PCMCIA "make all" errors" on this list). Finn Lindgren -- Finn Lindgren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:37:48PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. > > > Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly > Debian, of course) on such a beast? Yes. I have the IBM A21p since December or November. Linux runs quite cute, FreeBSD seems to make some problems. You can run XFree 4 in 1600*1200, very very nice :-) Don't try, XFree 3.x.x. I have the 3com network interface and it works great. greetings thalunil -- checking for the validity of the Maxwell laws on this machine... ok checking if e=mc^2... ok checking if we can safely swap on /dev/fd0... yes (Ausgabe von "configure" bei kvirc 2.0) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple & Mouse with Debian on Vaio F340
Thanks to everyone who helped me with my mouse problem.
I had used the "simple" option during installation of
Debian 2.2.2r to select packages by "tasks", and I read only
recently that that does not select all the packages considered
standard to run Debian (this is considered a bug to be corrected in the
next release). Once I added the missing standard packages
with "tasksel -s" and then removed gpm the mouse worked.
Before that it did not work either with or without gpm.
Steve
"Neil L. Roeth" wrote:
>
> Sorry if this has been discussed in this thread already, but people
> often experience problems if they have gpm installed. This package
> enables you to use the mouse in console mode, and since it captures
> mouse events, can interfere with the mouse under X. Do "dpkg --status
> gpm" to see if it is installed. If it is, you can either get rid of
> it ("dpkg --purge gpm" or "dpkg --remove gpm") or link the mouse to
> it. I think that is done by linking /dev/mouse to /dev/gpmdata or
> something like that. Check the archives of debian-laptop and
> debian-user for the exact method. I did the "dpkg --purge gpm" on my
> machine. Don't miss it at all.
>
> If that doesn't work, XF86Setup does have some initial keyboard driven
> screens that let you easily cycle through the various mouse
> configurations until you find one that works.
>
> HTH
>
> On Feb 25, steven k. thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > My mouse (trackpad) does not work after installing many packages,
> > including gnome related, on my Sony Vaio F340. I have
> > /dev/mouse in /etc/XF86Config and I linked
> > ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse. Does anyone have an idea what
> > to do next or how I might probe to check it out?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > "Neil L. Roeth" wrote:
> > >
> > > Check the file $HOME/.xsession-errors for clues. Also, I've had
> > > better luck with xf86config than with XF86Setup.
> > >
> > > On Feb 22, Steven K Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > I would appreciate any advice on getting X etc. to work with my
> > > > Sony Vaio F340. It has the NeoMagic NM2200 Chipset.
> > > >
> > > > When I type startx I get a blank, grainy screen, and nothing else
> > > > happens. The trackpad does move the pointer, however.
> > > >
> > > > During installation I chose the twm window manager for no apparent reason;
> > > > I think it was given as the default, but I would be open to changing it.
> > > > I chose the "simple" option for selecting packages and selected everything
> > > > associated with Gnome.
> > >
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Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110!
Deal all: I've tried to enable my IrDA of my TOSHIBA Libretto 110 for months, but still missing something so the primary goal still can't be achieved, I'd like to "sync" with my Palm PDA, but only with IrDA device. The kernel has detected the the IrDA chip and registered, here is the messages for "dmesg" : IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) ToshOboe: Found 701 chip at 0xffe0 irq 11 IrDA: Registered device irda0 ToshOboe: Using single tasks, version $Id: toshoboe.c,v 1.91 1999/06/29 14:21:06 So, .. Anyone can tell me the procedure that what should I do (to sync with my PDA is priority, then it's better can be communicated with my mobile phone). Anyone can give me the brief answers, or, tell me where to find the successful case witch came from the debian users experiences, I'll be so appreciated. Net Shu Feb. 28 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110!
Mr. D S Hunnisett wrote: > yup you need to do irattach irda0 Would you please tell me the right procedures ? > > > >Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:42:59 GMT > >X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:43:40 +0800 > >From: Nazareth Shu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Accept-Language: en > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110! > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Resent-Message-ID: > >Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/4891 > >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Deal all: > > > >I've tried to enable my IrDA of my TOSHIBA Libretto 110 for months, > >but still missing something so the primary goal still can't be achieved, > > > >I'd like to "sync" with my Palm PDA, but only with IrDA device. > > > >The kernel has detected the the IrDA chip and registered, here is > >the > >messages for "dmesg" : > > > >IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) > > > > > > > >ToshOboe: Found 701 chip at 0xffe0 irq 11 > >IrDA: Registered device irda0 > >ToshOboe: Using single tasks, version $Id: toshoboe.c,v 1.91 1999/06/29 > >14:21:06 > > > > > >So, .. Anyone can tell me the procedure that what should I do (to > >sync with my > >PDA is priority, then it's better can be communicated with my mobile > >phone). > > > >Anyone can give me the brief answers, or, tell me where to find the > >successful > >case witch came from the debian users experiences, I'll be so > >appreciated. > > > > > >Net Shu > >Feb. 28 2001 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >-- > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
I have a IBM Thinkpad A20m and its the perfect notebook for me. Its running Debian 2.2 Potato. Stay away from the 3com network interface, I know my A20m uses an Intel EtherPro 10/100 and it works perfect. I am not sure if Intel EtherPro 10/100 = EtherJet. If you go to the IBM web site they have detail technical specs. Also a good way to guarantee Linux Compatibility is to pick the Thinkpad model with linux preinstalled. The screen is incredible and I have an older model! Thinkpads are expensive but worth the investment. Thus spake Andrew McMillan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hi all, > > I'm looking to purchase one of these, because I just can't go past that > 1600x1200 LCD (and I don't know of any other laptops that match that. > Indeed I haven't found more than a couple that go past 1024x768. > > > Does anyone here have any experience with running Linux (particularly > Debian, of course) on such a beast? > > Looks like I might be able to buy it with one of: > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Lucent?) > 10/100 mini-PCI "Ethernet" with Modem (3com) > 10/100 mini-PCI "EtherJet" with Modem (Intel) > and the 3com claims to support DOS (but not Linux - sigh) so presumably > would be the best choice unless anyone has specific experience. Also, I > think I might be better with an "Ethernet" adaptor than an "EtherJet" > one... sounds suspicious... :-) > -- Todd V. Rovito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carpe Aptenodytes! "Seize the Penguins!" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X config help
I just installed Debian 2.2r2 on my Thinkpad. I was previously running Slackware on this machine and decided to give Debian a try. Maybe this is a newbie Q but... How the heck to you configure gnome & sawmill to work together? I have ~/.xsession with the one line: gnome-session & exec sawmill And this doesn't quite do it. Apparently sawmill and gnome are not binding together properly. I've checked the Debian and Gnome web site for docs. What I have here is not covered - it's assumed I've gotten this far... Also, is there someway I can set this as the global default? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FA510c update
Hi, today, I compiled a kernel with xdsg's kernel config (the only option that I removed was the /dev file system support). Now, when I insert my FA510c network card I still hear a high low beep sequence but the card is correctly identified by cardctl ident. The error message that I get is failed to allocate resource 0 for PCI device 1011:0019 got res[1080:108003ff] for resource 1 of PCI device 1011:0019 got res[1040:1043] for resource 6 of PCI device 1011:0019 PCI: Enabling device 01:00.0 (->0003) PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 01:00.0. Please try using pci=biosirq. What does that mean? What should I do? TIA, Felix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X config help
"Tom Allison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just installed Debian 2.2r2 on my Thinkpad. > I was previously running Slackware on this machine and decided to give > Debian a try. > > Maybe this is a newbie Q but... > > How the heck to you configure gnome & sawmill to work together? > I have ~/.xsession with the one line: > gnome-session & exec sawmill you only need "exec gnome-session". The rest is taken care of by GNOME itself. If you want to use GNOME (not just a panel), you have to select your WM from gnome control center (*NOT* in .xsession). > And this doesn't quite do it. Apparently sawmill and gnome are not binding > together properly. They do, see above :) > I've checked the Debian and Gnome web site for docs. What I have here is > not covered - it's assumed I've gotten this far... > > Also, is there someway I can set this as the global default? Yes. You have to edit system-wide xsession (in /etc/X11 I think). Another way is to use alternatives (seems to be more elegant). You can configure x-window-manager to be gnome-session and it will be started by default (someone, correct my if I'm wrong here). Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X config help
> How the heck to you configure gnome & sawmill to work together? > I have ~/.xsession with the one line: > gnome-session & exec sawmill > And this doesn't quite do it. Apparently sawmill and gnome are not binding > together properly. Only: gnome-session should work fine. You should never need to start up gnome-session in the background. Use gnome control-center to configure what wm you want to use, and gnome-session will start it up for you. /David Westlund -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still Netgear trouble
xsdg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Did you look at my suggestion? If the card works, that should work perfectly (as >noted before, I have the exact same card as you do). Still Netgear trouble: http://www.freebsddiary.org/last-netgear.html -- Stéphane Camberlin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (perso) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (technique) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sourceforge) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (taf) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X instability
> Hi.
>
> I'm running woody (I know, I know, but I have another machine running it
> which is extremely stable so...)
>
> My problem is that X is quite unstable (I use this machine for work, and X
> crashes about once a day.
What sort of "doesn't work" does it do? ("crashes" is vague - does it go
black and dump you text mode; lock the system hard; lock it "soft" eg you
can ssh in and use chvt to switch the console away from your blind X; etc.)
Any particular app get run just as it crashes? (Is something giving it
an "allergy"?)
Error messages?
Run with really verbose logging and then look at the X error log?
*don't* background startx, and see if anything useful burbles onto the
console screen - which, since it's text mode, will outlast the crash...
> I had RedHat 7 on this machine before, and it didn't crash a single time
> (not once). Actually, RedHat installed XFree86 3.3.6, but woody uses 4.0...
> not sure if that's the problem...
>
> I have a Mitac 6120N, with an ATi Rage LT Pro video adapter (using ati
> driver).
>
> Ideas?
Yeah, did you keep your XF86Config from when it worked perfectly before?
Not much, but it may be enough to tell if it's using a wider (maybe more
fragile?) frequency range for the monitor.
* Heather Stern * star@ many places...
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Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
> I have a IBM Thinkpad A20m and its the perfect notebook for me. Its > running Debian 2.2 Potato. Stay away from the 3com network interface, > I know my A20m uses an Intel EtherPro 10/100 and it works perfect. I > am not sure if Intel EtherPro 10/100 = EtherJet. If you go to the > IBM web site they have detail technical specs. Also a good way to > guarantee Linux Compatibility is to pick the Thinkpad model with linux > preinstalled. The screen is incredible and I have an older model! Thinkpads > are expensive but worth the investment. Buying a mchine with Linux pre-installed gives you two things: 1) they know you're a linux user... stand up and be counted :> 2) you get the configs from the setup that they put in there. even if you swap it out later for a different distro. As for "expensive but worth the investment"... I have a thinkpad which is okay... and I won't say "nothing to write home about" since its floppy bay was a lemon. IBM fixed it 3 times (very friendly staff) and it lasted longer each time but ... eventually, I gave up on that floppy bay, got an external one. And I know if I ever want to reinstall from scratch I have to just disassemble it, this takes less time than mailing the box to IBM. A brand name is no guarantee of quality. It may mean they try harder when they have a rep to defend, but you still have to take your chances on the parts inside. I think our friend is very wise to ask which of the ethergadgets he should trust best before buying one. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Thinkpad A21p
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 04:59:50AM -0500, Todd V . Rovito wrote: > I have a IBM Thinkpad A20m and its the perfect notebook for me. Its > running Debian 2.2 Potato. Stay away from the 3com network interface, The 3com interface works perfectly. It performs quite well, too. 3c59x.c 15Sep00 Donald Becker and others http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html eth0: 3Com 3c556B Laptop Hurricane at 0x1800, 00:00:86:4a:e1:f0, IRQ 11 > preinstalled. The screen is incredible and I have an older model! Thinkpads > are expensive but worth the investment. Yes. These laptops are very very good. I never wanna have anything other. thalunil -- whoami: whoami ist nur was fuer Leute mit Alzheimer! (Begruendung von Microsoft Deutschland fuer das Entfernen des Befehls aus Windows NT.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Layout Question
I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings about not changing files.. According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf file should consist of something like: alias cs46xx sound alias eepro100 eth0 and really nothing else. In Debian, I have many lines and many aliases and when I try to load a new kernel, the modules won't load... I need to tell Debian that there's a lot of files/modules I have no intention of using. What's the tool(s) to do that? I'm afraid if I edit the /etc/modules.conf directly, the installation will get mad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Layout Question
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 06:01:49PM +, Tom Allison wrote: > > I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. > I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. > > I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file > directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings > about not changing files.. > > According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf > file should consist of something like: > alias cs46xx sound > alias eepro100 eth0 > > and really nothing else. > In Debian, I have many lines and many aliases and when I try to load a new > kernel, the modules won't load... > I need to tell Debian that there's a lot of files/modules I have no > intention of using. > What's the tool(s) to do that? > > I'm afraid if I edit the /etc/modules.conf directly, the installation will > get mad. It's written *directly* inside that file (i.e.: RTFM ;): ### This file is automatically generated by update-modules # # Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add # anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read # the manpage for update-modules. # ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/0keep # DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE! # This file is not marked as conffile to make sure if you upgrade modutils # it will be restored in case some modifications have been made. -> man update-modules Andreas Mohr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ATI Mach64 and X4?
Hi! Sorry if I'm the 1000st who's asking this question. I'm running woody on an HP Omnibook 4150B with a "ATI Mach64 LM rev 100" (at least thats what XFree says) and I can't get any of my external screens to work. XFree is only starting if I switch back to the TFT and after start I can go back to the screen. But 60Hz and 1024x768 :(( And has someone an answer problem? How to switch between different configurations for different screens. So one at home and another one at the office and so on? Thanks CC. -- Geometric shapes are the easiest. Fractals are simple. But after the Fractals the real mess starts. -- Benoit B. Mandelbrot -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Layout Question
* Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010227 19:07]: > I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. > I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. To compile your own kernel, try the "kernel-package" package. In this way you build kernel debian packages you can install/remove with dpkg. > I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file > directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings > about not changing files.. > > According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf > file should consist of something like: > alias cs46xx sound > alias eepro100 eth0 About the Debian way to manage modules, it's a good idea to look at /usr/share/doc/modutils/module-policy.Debian.gz. HTH, -- David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Layout Question
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > I'm trying to install the 2.2.18 kernel into a Debian install. > I'm not using the Deb binaries for a couple reasons, but I got into a jam.. > > I'm used to Slackware. If you want to change it, you edit the file > directly. Debian doesn't seem to do that very well. Lots of warnings > about not changing files.. > > According the my previous experience with slackware my /etc/modules.conf > file should consist of something like: > alias cs46xx sound > alias eepro100 eth0 > > and really nothing else. > In Debian, I have many lines and many aliases and when I try to load a new > kernel, the modules won't load... > I need to tell Debian that there's a lot of files/modules I have no > intention of using. > What's the tool(s) to do that? modutils. Under most distros, not just debian. The current way of things is to tell it about the things you *do* need. Default kernel images come with lots of builtins you might not use either, (ex: SCSI and RAID controllers, I'm sure I don't have those in my laptop) but you have to recompile to ditch those. > I'm afraid if I edit the /etc/modules.conf directly, the installation will > get mad. Under debian, even most of the conffiles have manpages of their own... man -k is actually useful, since many debian project maintainers go the extra mile and add manpages to the packages. and, we keep loose documentation for packages in directories under /usr/doc and-or /usr/share/doc. There's been recent effort to consolidate these but best to look both places, run man -k and if you know the application's name, man and info before giving up. So, /usr/share/doc/modutils has a number of useful files to read. It happens that the files which *are* safe to edit are in /etc/modutils, but you should still read ahead a bit before leaping in. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X instability
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:55:57AM -0800, Heather wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'm running woody (I know, I know, but I have another machine running it
> > which is extremely stable so...)
> >
> > My problem is that X is quite unstable (I use this machine for work, and X
> > crashes about once a day.
>
> What sort of "doesn't work" does it do? ("crashes" is vague - does it go
> black and dump you text mode; lock the system hard; lock it "soft" eg you
> can ssh in and use chvt to switch the console away from your blind X; etc.)
>
Crashes on a sig11, dumps me to console.
> Any particular app get run just as it crashes? (Is something giving it
> an "allergy"?)
>
No.
> Error messages?
>
Just the sig11
> Run with really verbose logging and then look at the X error log?
>
Well, I might, but I can't really seem to recreate this at will, and I might
imagine a verbose log for an entire day or so would more than fill this HD
(little room left).
> *don't* background startx, and see if anything useful burbles onto the
> console screen - which, since it's text mode, will outlast the crash...
>
Not quite understanding this... do you mean like piping the startx output to
a log? I've looked at my X startup, don't see anything suspicious really
(except the sig11, which happens with no warning or previous errors, as far
a I can see).
> > I had RedHat 7 on this machine before, and it didn't crash a single time
> > (not once). Actually, RedHat installed XFree86 3.3.6, but woody uses 4.0...
> > not sure if that's the problem...
> >
> > I have a Mitac 6120N, with an ATi Rage LT Pro video adapter (using ati
> > driver).
> >
> > Ideas?
>
> Yeah, did you keep your XF86Config from when it worked perfectly before?
> Not much, but it may be enough to tell if it's using a wider (maybe more
> fragile?) frequency range for the monitor.
>
Unfortunately not... :/
> * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
>
>
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Re: Problems with IrDA of my Libretto 110!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> > yup you need to do irattach irda0 >> >> Would you please tell me the right procedures ? "irattach" command is in irda-common package. Do you install it? A brief description is available at /usr/share/doc/irda-common/README.Debian. -- NOKUBI Takatsugu E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
installing w/ 3Com 3CCFE574BT
The goal is to get a minimum installation up with networking on my 3Com 3CCFE574BT nic there do not seem to be any drivers for this nic any help finding them would be appreciated.. Additionally, the CD-ROM driver is old enough that it will not read the burned CD made from downloading the debian ISO images. Thank you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
not start networking automatically?
can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? thanks, nathanp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: not start networking automatically?
> can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is > not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? > > thanks, > nathanp. not *directly* but... push in the card (beep ... boop) cardctl eject (beep) when you're ready, cardctl insert (beep beep) I usually carry the card plugged in, but hop between 3 or 4 nets a lot and sometimes others, many behind firewalls. (Thus my sig.) WHat gets me is when I forget to issue the eject command and there's no net around then startx hates me (because the yutzy little script wants to reverse resolve my hostname, or something). Sigh. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: not start networking automatically?
> can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is > not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? > > thanks, > nathanp. Hmm, occurs to me I may be misunderstanding the question. Do you mean "not bring up anything when I insert the card" (which I answered with software eject instructions) or do you mean "only bring up modem service right now, ether later"? I can't tell by your card, maybe ifconfig eth0 down ...would be sufficient, or not. Schemes can be used to your advantage. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to not start networking automatically?
can anyone tell me how i can configure my pcmcia so that networking is not brought up automatically when i insert my network/modem combo card? thanks, nathanp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: not start networking automatically?
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:33:24PM -0800, Heather wrote: > Hmm, occurs to me I may be misunderstanding the question. > > Do you mean "not bring up anything when I insert the card" (which I answered > with software eject instructions) or do you mean "only bring up modem service > right now, ether later"? yeah, that one. i only want modem services. /etc/pcmcia/network stop eth0 works for me, but i just want to automate it so i don't have to type. > I can't tell by your card, maybe > ifconfig eth0 down > > ...would be sufficient, or not. > > Schemes can be used to your advantage. yeah, that sounds good. where can i read about schemes? thanks, nathanp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
