Re: Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
On 22.06.20 18:51, MERLIN Philippe wrote: For the first time, I'm going to be ranting. I have been using Debian Linux for over 15 years and I appreciate the quality of this system, the speed of correction by software maintainers in the event of a major bug. On May 31 I opened a Debian Bug # 961913 entitled "Kmail: the access and reading of the received messages is often very slow" on the advice of Martin Steigerwald I opened on June 1 also a Bug on bugs.kde. org # 422336 The analysis of this Bug was completed by Martin Steigerwald and Marc Mezzarola who found that the fault was akonadi_maildir. This bug is really penalizing it happened during the migration of Kmail from 4: 19.08: 3-1 to 4: 20.04: 1-1 if we have to read a dozen messages reading often takes more than a minute between each reading messages especially if we decide to transfer them to the trash. This version 4: 20.04: 1-1 is also that of the Debian testing version and I am surprised that there are no more reports on this Bug, are very few people using Kmail and Pop3? Another surprise and regret to date I do not have the impression that a developer has addressed the problem for the fixed. Philippe Merlin I am sorry for the inconveniences you are suffering and my reply will not solve your problem, but is only to answer on your questions if others are using Kmail. No, I myself suffered everything related to akonadi so much in the past, that I finally did a fresh KDE install without installing the task-kde-desktop but instead installing the needed KDE Plasma components with --no-install-recommends step by step manually in order to avoid to draw in konqueror and any akonadi related apps. Like this I became a very satisfied KDE Plasma user for long time now! The trouble resides in task-kde-desktops, which draws in the package kde-standard, and kde-standard then installs the akonadi related packages, which in my experience caused all the problems with the inappropriate responsiveness of the graphical desktop KDE. While before suffering many times my older hardware to spontaneously stopping to respond nicely to my GUI actions, I never observed these problems again since I avoid the mentioned KDE apps! KDE Plasma on my old hardware now runs like a a charm. No need for LxQt or a like, KDE Plasma is doing it the same, I intensively tested and compared it. So, I am sharing your rant. Some "standard" KDE apps do not keep up with the performance of KDE Plasma and I am surprised that they are a kind of a Debian recommendation by becoming installed by the task-kde-desktop package. In order to provide constructive criticism I collected a list of packages for suggesting them to maybe in the future become a new kde-minimum-install package (leaving out the akonadi tree of programs, for instance). If someone would have the authorization and knowledge to work on such package, please contact me, I am motivated to help polishing the Debian KDE experience! Marco.
Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
For the first time, I'm going to be ranting. I have been using Debian Linux for over 15 years and I appreciate the quality of this system, the speed of correction by software maintainers in the event of a major bug. On May 31 I opened a Debian Bug # 961913 entitled "Kmail: the access and reading of the received messages is often very slow" on the advice of Martin Steigerwald I opened on June 1 also a Bug on bugs.kde. org # 422336 The analysis of this Bug was completed by Martin Steigerwald and Marc Mezzarola who found that the fault was akonadi_maildir. This bug is really penalizing it happened during the migration of Kmail from 4: 19.08: 3-1 to 4: 20.04: 1-1 if we have to read a dozen messages reading often takes more than a minute between each reading messages especially if we decide to transfer them to the trash. This version 4: 20.04: 1-1 is also that of the Debian testing version and I am surprised that there are no more reports on this Bug, are very few people using Kmail and Pop3? Another surprise and regret to date I do not have the impression that a developer has addressed the problem for the fixed. Philippe Merlin
Re: Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
Intentionally top posting: I might have missed it, but it would help me to know which version(s) of Debian the two of you are using? Nothing added below this line. On Monday, June 22, 2020 04:39:33 PM Marco Möller wrote: > On 22.06.20 18:51, MERLIN Philippe wrote: > > For the first time, I'm going to be ranting. I have been using Debian > > Linux for over 15 years and I appreciate the quality of this system, the > > speed of correction by software maintainers in the event of a major bug. > > On May 31 I opened a Debian Bug # 961913 entitled "Kmail: the access and > > reading of the received messages is often very slow" on the advice of > > Martin Steigerwald I opened on June 1 also a Bug on bugs.kde. org # > > 422336 The analysis of this Bug was completed by Martin Steigerwald and > > Marc Mezzarola who found that the fault was akonadi_maildir. This bug is > > really penalizing it happened during the migration of Kmail from 4: > > 19.08: 3-1 to 4: 20.04: 1-1 if we have to read a dozen messages reading > > often takes more than a minute between each reading messages especially > > if we decide to transfer them to the trash. > > This version 4: 20.04: 1-1 is also that of the Debian testing version and > > I am surprised that there are no more reports on this Bug, are very few > > people using Kmail and Pop3? > > Another surprise and regret to date I do not have the impression that a > > developer has addressed the problem for the fixed. > > Philippe Merlin > > I am sorry for the inconveniences you are suffering and my reply will > not solve your problem, but is only to answer on your questions if > others are using Kmail. No, I myself suffered everything related to > akonadi so much in the past, that I finally did a fresh KDE install > without installing the task-kde-desktop but instead installing the > needed KDE Plasma components with --no-install-recommends step by step > manually in order to avoid to draw in konqueror and any akonadi related > apps. Like this I became a very satisfied KDE Plasma user for long time > now! > > The trouble resides in task-kde-desktops, which draws in the package > kde-standard, and kde-standard then installs the akonadi related > packages, which in my experience caused all the problems with the > inappropriate responsiveness of the graphical desktop KDE. While before > suffering many times my older hardware to spontaneously stopping to > respond nicely to my GUI actions, I never observed these problems again > since I avoid the mentioned KDE apps! KDE Plasma on my old hardware now > runs like a a charm. No need for LxQt or a like, KDE Plasma is doing it > the same, I intensively tested and compared it. > > So, I am sharing your rant. Some "standard" KDE apps do not keep up with > the performance of KDE Plasma and I am surprised that they are a kind of > a Debian recommendation by becoming installed by the task-kde-desktop > package. In order to provide constructive criticism I collected a list > of packages for suggesting them to maybe in the future become a new > kde-minimum-install package (leaving out the akonadi tree of programs, > for instance). If someone would have the authorization and knowledge to > work on such package, please contact me, I am motivated to help > polishing the Debian KDE experience! > > Marco.
Re: Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
Hi, Sorry for only picking a minor question from your mail and not addressing the rest. But that's the only part I have the resemblance of an informed opinion: On Montag, 22. Juni 2020 18:51:49 CEST MERLIN Philippe wrote: > This version 4: 20.04: 1-1 is also that of the Debian testing version and I > am surprised that there are no more reports on this Bug, are very few > people using Kmail and Pop3? POP3 has been actively discouraged for the better part of the last 20 years, so I assume that you are indeed one of very few people that are still stuck with POP3 for one reason or another. As for kmail: I'm using kmail and I think (hope?) that there still is a sizeable user-base. Even after years of mostly akonadi-related woes it still is a great mail user agent (when it works)... Cheers, Johannes
Re: Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
On 22.06.20 23:31, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
Intentionally top posting: I might have missed it, but it would help me to
know which version(s) of Debian the two of you are using?
I am now on Debian/testing ("bullseye"). As I said, I am very satisfied
with KDE Plasma, running it on an Intel Core2Duo Laptop from about 2009,
it is my daily 12 hours usage working horse.
The severe akonadi app problems have been when I was on "stretch" when
that one was Debian/stable, and I admit that since I skipped to use the
mentioned apps I never tried to use them again. But the OP seems today
to still have similar problems like I have had them on and off years ago
already, his story did not surprise me at all.
Marco.
Re: Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
On 22.06.20 23:16, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote: As for kmail: (...) Even after years of mostly akonadi-related woes it still is a great mail user agent (when it works)... Cheers, Johannes I totally agree, Kmail itself is great! Marco
Re: Correction of a Kmail-Akonadi Bug
On Monday, June 22, 2020 4:15:45 PM PDT Marco Möller wrote:
> On 22.06.20 23:31, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Intentionally top posting: I might have missed it, but it would help me to
> > know which version(s) of Debian the two of you are using?
>
> I am now on Debian/testing ("bullseye"). As I said, I am very satisfied
> with KDE Plasma, running it on an Intel Core2Duo Laptop from about 2009,
> it is my daily 12 hours usage working horse.
> The severe akonadi app problems have been when I was on "stretch" when
> that one was Debian/stable, and I admit that since I skipped to use the
> mentioned apps I never tried to use them again. But the OP seems today
> to still have similar problems like I have had them on and off years ago
> already, his story did not surprise me at all.
> Marco.
Doesn't Akonadi only start when you launch a KDE PIM application like KMail?
If it's always running even when you're not using KDE PIM then it's an
upstream problem, right? It's bad design if an application is always running
even when you don't use it.
Jeremy
(This is my first time on the Debian mailing lists, so I apologize if there are
matters of etiquette that I did not observe)
