Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 15:32:18 schrieb Michael Schuerig: > On Saturday 11 July 2015 14:19:13 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 14:00:33 schrieb Michael Schuerig: > > > On Thursday 09 July 2015 12:02:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > And, yah, now systemsettings are working better again! At least I > > > > have lot more modules in there again. > > > > > > When I launch systemsettings5, I just get this message > > > > > > "System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing > > > to display." > > > > > > After clicking "OK", it just quits. Do I have to install new > > > packages > > > manually to make it work? > > Hmmm, do you have plasma-workspace, plasma-desktop and kio installed? > > Aside from that I installed from kde-config-* packages, but I think > > these are optional modules for systemsettings. > Oh dear. Installing/upgrading plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop did > something. I wish I hadn't done it :-( Now I have a barely functional > desktop in kindergarten coloring. Somehow I didn't plan to spend the > weekend on configuring this into something I can use again. > I assume it is correct that none of my previous desktop settings have > been migrated? No. It migrated the activities and some other stuff. But the whole plasma containment and widget configuration is lost. Also the window manager settings seem to got lost. I didn´t look yet, but it may use a different configuration directory. Oh, I bet it does, jupp, it appears it uses ~/.config now. Directly, not even a sub directory. Hmmm, I don´t like this. I´d rather have it all in ~/.config/kde.org or something like that. Now I have Plasma config mixed with other configs in there. It didn´t take me long to restore it to a state I am happy with. And on my main machine the Plasma 5 desktop is fully functional meanwhile. On i386 there still is no plasma-workspace package. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1536032.Nz37qZLFMd@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
I had placed a script in .kde/env to get locally compiled plasmoids on board in QT_PLUGIN_PATH. Plasma-5 is not exercising this. My env is: QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins:/lib/kde5/plugins/ So ... Locally compiled plasmoids are in kde4 folders. Currently missing more more functional versions of installed plasmoids are in kde4 folders. Only the few newly installed ones, many very limited, are in kde5 folders! Safe to make a .kde/Autostart of get the .kde/env script to run and append such these folders to QT_PLUGIN_PATH env? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1653290.tG3yubJGpx@dovidhalevi
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Sunday 12 July 2015 11:05:19 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > It didn´t take me long to restore it to a state I am happy with. I'm not yet happy, but if it is the way forward, I have to bite the bullet now, it seems. I do think Plasma 5 could have spend some more time in experimental. But I can't really complain, I asked for "unstable" and that's what I got. Anyway, some features appear to have been lost in the upgrade. Here's what I'm missing so far: * ksysguard (panel) widgets. I thought these little graphs were really useful. In my case, I had them for overall CPU utilization, network I/O, and temperature. * I've tried (multiple times) to make Ctrl-Esc open KSysGuard, by assigning it as a Custom Shortcut for KMenuEdit. But when I press the shortcut, all I get is "No service configured". * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=124670 * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was able to choose "Folder View" somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at "Desktop". * Plasma Search, the successor to KRunner, doesn't remember the history. (Really? :-O) * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. The Debian/KDE packagers are doing a time-consuming and largely unappreciated job, I know that. And I don't think the packaging is at fault for any of my more or less little complaints. Rather, it looks to me like the upstream KDE developers are giving their user base a second helping of the KDE 4 transition of a few years back. I'm not entirely happy about that. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/12847431.T25E5A4Qgp@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig wrote: > * ksysguard (panel) widgets. I thought these little graphs were really > useful. In my case, I had them for overall CPU utilization, network I/O, > and temperature. I think I read that the graphs are coming back upstream. > * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. > Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See > https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=124670 I don't expect sni-qt4 and a heavily patched qt to land in debian anytime soon. > * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was > able to choose "Folder View" somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed > the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another > update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at "Desktop". What do you mean by "originally" and "another update" ? > * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be > a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. All plasma widgets needs to be updated for plasma5. That's just how it is. Better tell the upstreams of your favourite 3rd party plasma widgets that they better get started. And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mntgcg$5rt$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Sunday 12 July 2015 10:43:28 Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig wrote: > > * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I > > was > > able to choose "Folder View" somewhere in Desktop Settings and > > indeed > > the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another > > update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at "Desktop". > > What do you mean by "originally" and "another update" ? After first updating to Plasma 5, I was able to select "Folder View" for the background. Then, after installing some more new packages and rebooting, "Folder View" wasn't available anymore. I think I did something with activities, too. Right now, I have exactly one activity. > And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable > yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones > around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. Indeed. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1657995.8UT5ooaPCo@fuchsia
Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
I'm using a few self-build KDE applications that are installed in /usr/local/kde4. In order for KDE to find them, I've added this path to KDEDIRS (in /etc/environment). With Plasma 5 this setting apparently has become obsolete. Is there another one that replaces it? Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/13968503.sPYW8cghsl@fuchsia
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig wrote: > > I'm using a few self-build KDE applications that are installed in > /usr/local/kde4. In order for KDE to find them, I've added this path to > KDEDIRS (in /etc/environment). With Plasma 5 this setting apparently has > become obsolete. Is there another one that replaces it? http://jpwhiting.blogspot.fi/2014/11/autostart-in-plasma-5.html /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mnu7ac$h4l$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:12:48 +0200 Michael Schuerig wrote: Hello Michael, >/usr/local/kde4. Any particular reason for placing them there? Usually, self-built apps are placed in usr/local/bin which, as you probably know, is included in the $PATH, where anything can find them. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" A friend of a friend he got beaten I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs pgpsbs0l3xLq4.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Difference in appearance between kde-style-oxygen and kde-style-oxygen-qt4
Hi, I am not on the list, next time, please add me to the cc. > I don´t get what you mean. Looks pretty similar to me. Where is the > difference, except the missing scrollbar on one of the screenshots? The knob for zooming (right lower corner) is bigger, the ">-" symbols left of the folders look different (IMHO with kde-style-oxygen it looks way better than with kde-style-oxygen-qt4) and there is way more space between the different icons themselves and the next line (where "Wurzelordner" is displayed) and above and below "Name, Größe, Datum", which caused the scrollbar to appear in the first place. Cheers, Julian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150712202651.19c32908@saldaea
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On Sunday 12 July 2015 18:16:19 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:12:48 +0200 > Michael Schuerig wrote: > > Hello Michael, > > >/usr/local/kde4. > > Any particular reason for placing them there? Yes, to keep them separated from other local stuff. > Usually, self-built > apps are placed in usr/local/bin which, as you probably know, is > included in the $PATH, where anything can find them. Oh, but /usr/local/kde4/bin *is* in the PATH on my system. And with KDEDIRS set appropriately, KDE did find them there, too. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/15304118.B2DrjXAPIx@fuchsia
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On Sunday 12 July 2015 17:14:52 Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig wrote: > > I'm using a few self-build KDE applications that are installed in > > /usr/local/kde4. In order for KDE to find them, I've added this path > > to KDEDIRS (in /etc/environment). With Plasma 5 this setting > > apparently has become obsolete. Is there another one that replaces > > it? > > http://jpwhiting.blogspot.fi/2014/11/autostart-in-plasma-5.html This seems to be an answer to an entirely different question. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1698208.cDaad0TKjD@fuchsia
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 20:50:19 +0200 Michael Schuerig wrote: Hello Michael, >Yes, to keep them separated from other local stuff. So, self-imposed, then. Not unreasonable, of course. Although it does strike me as "making a rod for your own back". IOW, making work for the sake of it. However, that's irrelevant to the problem at hand.. >Oh, but /usr/local/kde4/bin *is* in the PATH on my system. And with >KDEDIRS set appropriately, KDE did find them there, too. I'm unclear on that; Was /usr/local/kde4/bin(1) included in the PATH setting and KDEDIRS _also_ referred to it, or did only KDEDIRS reference that specific directory? Not that it matter much; If the directory is in the PATH, IDK why things aren't being found there. (1) In your original post you referred to /usr/local/kde4, not /kde/bin. A typo, perhaps? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" It's your life so go your own way Questions And Answers - Sham 69 pgpInV410uaXt.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On 2015-07-12, Brad Rogers wrote: >>Oh, but /usr/local/kde4/bin *is* in the PATH on my system. And with=20 >>KDEDIRS set appropriately, KDE did find them there, too. > > I'm unclear on that; Was /usr/local/kde4/bin(1) included in the PATH > setting and KDEDIRS _also_ referred to it, or did only KDEDIRS reference > that specific directory? Not that it matter much; If the directory is > in the PATH, IDK why things aren't being found there. KDEDIRS is needed to have sycoca4 pick up things like plugins and stuff. And very many apps is mostly built out of plugins. For example KDevelop, Kontact and Konqueror. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mnugk2$qa5$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On Sunday 12 July 2015 19:53:38 Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2015-07-12, Brad Rogers wrote: > >>Oh, but /usr/local/kde4/bin *is* in the PATH on my system. And > >>with=20 KDEDIRS set appropriately, KDE did find them there, too. > >> > > I'm unclear on that; Was /usr/local/kde4/bin(1) included in the > > PATH > > setting and KDEDIRS _also_ referred to it, or did only KDEDIRS > > reference that specific directory? Not that it matter much; If > > the directory is in the PATH, IDK why things aren't being found > > there. > > KDEDIRS is needed to have sycoca4 pick up things like plugins and > stuff. > > And very many apps is mostly built out of plugins. In my case, without KDEDIRS being effective, desktop files below /usr/local/kde4 are no longer found. And so KDE doesn't know about these applications anymore. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1700176.uXUdeX2MLg@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
With plasma-desktop, plasma-workspace, kio and kio-extras packages everything is working and major flaws are gone (thanks for the advices). I like the work the packagers have done and I'm loving Kf5 as much as KDE4 that is/was a great DE. 2015-07-12 15:12 GMT+02:00 Michael Schuerig : > On Sunday 12 July 2015 10:43:28 Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig wrote: > > > > * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I > > > was > > > able to choose "Folder View" somewhere in Desktop Settings and > > > indeed > > > the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another > > > update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at "Desktop". > > > > What do you mean by "originally" and "another update" ? > > After first updating to Plasma 5, I was able to select "Folder View" for > the background. Then, after installing some more new packages and > rebooting, "Folder View" wasn't available anymore. I think I did > something with activities, too. Right now, I have exactly one activity. > > > And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable > > yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones > > around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. > > Indeed. > > Michael > > -- > Michael Schuerig > mailto:mich...@schuerig.de > http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1657995.8UT5ooaPCo@fuchsia > >
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 07/12/2015 06:12 AM, Michael Schuerig wrote: And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade "plasma-desktop". What I see missing are "showdesktop and "klipper", I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Sid - KDE 5.3.2 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda13 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a31d3f.30...@gmail.com
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Sunday 12 July 2015 19:06:55 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/12/2015 06:12 AM, Michael Schuerig wrote: > >> And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in > >> unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest > >> ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. > > I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade > "plasma-desktop". What I see missing are "showdesktop and "klipper", > I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also > I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you > can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing > packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. Klipper is there already. "Showdesktop"? A widget to hide all windows and show the desktop underneath? That's there, too. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1893010.HJ1x44eA9o@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 07/12/2015 09:17 PM, Michael Schuerig wrote: On Sunday 12 July 2015 19:06:55 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade "plasma-desktop". What I see missing are "showdesktop and "klipper", I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. Klipper is there already. "Showdesktop"? A widget to hide all windows and show the desktop underneath? That's there, too. Michael, I'm not seeing what you are seeing..I'm not seeing showdesktop at all..and klipper is version KDE-4 and if I install plasma-desktop KDE-4 klipper will be gone with no replacement.. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Sid - KDE 5.3.2 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda13 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a34df7.6060...@gmail.com
Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig wrote: > In my case, without KDEDIRS being effective, desktop files below > /usr/local/kde4 are no longer found. And so KDE doesn't know about these > applications anymore. Yeah. desktop files is another thing put in sycoca. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mnviuv$jmh$1...@ger.gmane.org
