Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
Thanks Rubin & David for the replies. Unfortunately I need Skype, VirtualBox, Oracle JDK and NVIDIA CUDA Toolkit, I need those many times each day for my work as a remote developer. I'd love to get rid of Flash, so just now I switched YouTube to use WebM instead (go to "http://www.youtube.com/html5";) as a start. But when I experience browser crashes, it's not while doing anything strange like watching youtube so I don't think Flash is my problem. Maybe when Dolphin or Plasma or Iceweasel crash it really is a problem with my RAM hardware (I put 16GB RAM in my laptop since i often build Android from source and often use WinXP through VirtualBox), possibly related to the fact I use 5GB of RAM as a ramdisk where I do lots of my temp stuff in. For the repeatable bugs I found in Kate & Inkscape, you guys convinced me I should file the bug reports and then find ways to live around the bugs for the near future. I sent a message to this group recently about the Kate crash because I wasn't sure how to report it, but no-one replied: " http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/06/msg00014.html";. For the Inkscape crash i tested it on Mint KDE 14, Mint KDE 13 and ArchLinux and none of those crashed, only Debian Stable, and only while using OpenGL as the KWin renderer (ie: it doesn't crash while using XRender), so I'm also a bit confused about whether to file a bug to Debian or to Inkscape, since it seems to have been fixed in recent versions of Inkscape. I haven't looked into back-porting packages yet since I read on the Debian FAQ that you shouldn't mix both Stable and Testing in your apt source list, but now I realize back-porting is a way to compile new Testing or SID software packages into the equivalent of Stable packages without modifying my apt sources (or am I wrong?). So from you guys it sounds like I should back-port Inkscape & Skype & NVIDIA driver & CUDA Toolkit, since it is possible that my sudden Plasma crashes or Inkscape crashes are related to the Wheezy's older NVIDIA display driver interacting strangely with Optimus technology (dual GPU). Cheers, Shervin Emami. http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 11:40 PM, David Smith wrote: > On 07/15/2013 01:14 PM, Shervin Emami wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> Any recommendations on how to get more stability? Because I really want >> to stick with Debian KDE for long-term. >> >> >> As far as iceweasel crashing, I think that's really bizarre.. I use it > everyday for years on lots of different hardware and it's *never* crashed > for me. To add to that, the Mozilla/Iceweasel/Firefox team have been very > good at "blacklisting" graphics drivers that don't support hardware > accelerated webgl, etc. So you really shouldn't be getting crashes for any > reason. I would suggest investigating the possibility of hardware failure > (memtest86+, cpu/gpu stress tests, etc). > > > I've also found repeatable bugs that crash apps such as Kate and Inkscape >> but when I start to file bug reports I realize I shouldn't because Debian >> Stable is using old versions of the software and these bugs were fixed in >> later versions >> > > Yes, I've had repeatable crashes with Kate related to collapsing/expanding > sections of code in .patch files which I found and reported to upstream > back before Debian Wheezy was even frozen. It took almost a year and 50+ > duplicate bug reports before it was fixed by Kate devs, and the fix missed > the Wheezy freeze window. That's just the way things are sometimes with > upstream, you either learn to use the software in a way that doesn't cause > it to crash until they fix it, you learn to fix it yourself and submit a > patch, or you use something else because there are about a million great > alternatives to Kate. > > As a Debian user for 10+ years, I would suggest just running Debian stable > for now and grab newer versions of software if you need it from > wheezy-backports (if available). > > Sometimes you can "apt-get source" the package source from unstable and > recompile it yourself for stable. I did that just now for Inkscape > 0.48.4-1 (unstable) and the package installs and runs perfectly fine on > Wheezy. If your troubles in inkscape still aren't fixed, make sure you get > them reported to upstream. > > -David > >
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
On Monday, 2013-07-15, Shervin Emami wrote: > I experience crashes around once per day, either as a software like > Iceweasel or Kate or Dolphin crashing or as KDE/Plasma crashing & requiring > me to hit Alt+PrtSc+K to close X & log back in to KDE. I've also found If Plasma Desktop crashes it can usually be restarted using Alt-F2 and typing plasma-desktop. Hasn't happend for me in ages, so maybe it is one of the applets you are using? Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
Shervin Emami wrote, On 2013-07-15 00:25: > Unfortunately I need Skype, VirtualBox, Oracle JDK and NVIDIA CUDA Toolkit, > I need those many times each day for my work as a remote developer. I'd > love to get rid of Flash, so just now I switched YouTube to use WebM > instead (go to "http://www.youtube.com/html5";) as a start. But when I > experience browser crashes, it's not while doing anything strange like > watching youtube so I don't think Flash is my problem. Maybe when Dolphin > or Plasma or Iceweasel crash it really is a problem with my RAM hardware (I > put 16GB RAM in my laptop since i often build Android from source and often > use WinXP through VirtualBox), possibly related to the fact I use 5GB of > RAM as a ramdisk where I do lots of my temp stuff in. First option is since you've already got VirtualBox setup, setup a VM for Skype and other tricky software. Flash is EVERYWHERE, no joke. When you're running your web browser, open up a terminal window and run top (or better yet htop) and sort by CPU usage. You'll see Flash pop up a bunch, not just YouTube vids. There are some great plugins that'll ask you before starting up any Flash content, might be worth checking out. If you want to test your ram, apt-get install memtest86+, reboot, select it in GRUB, and let that thing run over night. > For the repeatable bugs I found in Kate & Inkscape, you guys convinced me I > should file the bug reports and then find ways to live around the bugs for > the near future. I sent a message to this group recently about the Kate > crash because I wasn't sure how to report it, but no-one replied: " > http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/06/msg00014.html";. For the Inkscape > crash i tested it on Mint KDE 14, Mint KDE 13 and ArchLinux and none of > those crashed, only Debian Stable, and only while using OpenGL as the KWin > renderer (ie: it doesn't crash while using XRender), so I'm also a bit > confused about whether to file a bug to Debian or to Inkscape, since it > seems to have been fixed in recent versions of Inkscape. Unless told specifically to do so by a project community, file bugs in a tracker over sending an issue to a mailing list. Mailing lists are good for disucssing current thing, bug trackers are good for recording a history and it's eventually resolution (or ignorance). Unless you want to ask a community if you shouldn't file a bug (never ask if you should, because you'll fall into that no one will reply trap). -- Rubin ru...@starset.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
Yes I do this to restart Plasma when it crashes every few days. I am using the NetworkManager applet, and that is well known to have many issues, so that might be partly to blame. But other times when my computer crashes, not even Ctrl+Alt+Del or Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace work, and sometimes Ctrl+Alt+1 works so I can kill a bad app, but often the only key combo that works at all is Alt+PrtSc+K! Cheers, Shervin Emami. http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > On Monday, 2013-07-15, Shervin Emami wrote: > > > I experience crashes around once per day, either as a software like > > Iceweasel or Kate or Dolphin crashing or as KDE/Plasma crashing & > requiring > > me to hit Alt+PrtSc+K to close X & log back in to KDE. I've also found > > If Plasma Desktop crashes it can usually be restarted using Alt-F2 and > typing > plasma-desktop. > > Hasn't happend for me in ages, so maybe it is one of the applets you are > using? > > Cheers, > Kevin >
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
Hoi: I'd say the problem may well be somewhere in the graphics stack. Once you have a crash it's quite convenient knowing exactly where it happenned and getting a backtrace of it. Check ~/.xsession-erros and also Xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.[01].log or /var/log/Xorg.[01].log.old if a new X instance already fired up), sometimes kdm.log also helps. If you want further information, install relevant -dbg packages: xserver, x video driver, mesa and drm. Once you have this installed make sure you enabled core dumps. I do this adding "ulimit -c unlimited" somewhere at the begginning of /etc/init.d/kdm script. If X crashes you'll get a core dump at /etc/X11/core which you can later analyze with "gdb /etc/X11/core $(which Xorg)" Good luck with this. Regards, On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 01:39:07AM -0700, Shervin Emami wrote: > Yes I do this to restart Plasma when it crashes every few days. I am using the > NetworkManager applet, and that is well known to have many issues, so that > might be partly to blame. But other times when my computer crashes, not even > Ctrl+Alt+Del or Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace work, and sometimes Ctrl+Alt+1 works so I can > kill a bad app, but often the only key combo that works at all is Alt+PrtSc+K! > > > Cheers, > Shervin Emami. > http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > On Monday, 2013-07-15, Shervin Emami wrote: > > > I experience crashes around once per day, either as a software like > > Iceweasel or Kate or Dolphin crashing or as KDE/Plasma crashing & > requiring > > me to hit Alt+PrtSc+K to close X & log back in to KDE. I've also found > > If Plasma Desktop crashes it can usually be restarted using Alt-F2 and > typing > plasma-desktop. > > Hasn't happend for me in ages, so maybe it is one of the applets you are > using? > > Cheers, > Kevin > > -- Raúl Sánchez Siles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130715090040.GA11306@trismegisto.universo
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
In data domenica 14 luglio 2013 22:14:41, Shervin Emami ha scritto: > Any recommendations on how to get more stability? Did you try to create a new account? regards -- Marco Valli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6608449.cqbAgz0cB6@debian
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
> First option is since you've already got VirtualBox setup, setup a VM for Skype and other tricky software. I already tried following numerous forums about getting microphone & webcam to work in VirtualBox, some people have been successful but I just couldn't get it to work for WinXP or Ubuntu guests, maybe since I'm using ALSA instead of PulseAudio. So I'll give up for now and stick with native Skype on Linux. > Flash is EVERYWHERE, no joke. Yeah I know, I use Flashblock in my browser to keep Flash at bay. > file bugs in a tracker over sending an issue to a mailing list. No worries, but should I report the bug to Debian or to the apps (Inkscape and KDE/Kate), since I am technically using outdated versions of these software? Cheers, Shervin Emami. http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Rubin Abdi wrote: > Shervin Emami wrote, On 2013-07-15 00:25: > > Unfortunately I need Skype, VirtualBox, Oracle JDK and NVIDIA CUDA > Toolkit, > > I need those many times each day for my work as a remote developer. I'd > > love to get rid of Flash, so just now I switched YouTube to use WebM > > instead (go to "http://www.youtube.com/html5";) as a start. But when I > > experience browser crashes, it's not while doing anything strange like > > watching youtube so I don't think Flash is my problem. Maybe when Dolphin > > or Plasma or Iceweasel crash it really is a problem with my RAM hardware > (I > > put 16GB RAM in my laptop since i often build Android from source and > often > > use WinXP through VirtualBox), possibly related to the fact I use 5GB of > > RAM as a ramdisk where I do lots of my temp stuff in. > > First option is since you've already got VirtualBox setup, setup a VM > for Skype and other tricky software. > > Flash is EVERYWHERE, no joke. When you're running your web browser, open > up a terminal window and run top (or better yet htop) and sort by CPU > usage. You'll see Flash pop up a bunch, not just YouTube vids. There are > some great plugins that'll ask you before starting up any Flash content, > might be worth checking out. > > If you want to test your ram, apt-get install memtest86+, reboot, select > it in GRUB, and let that thing run over night. > > > For the repeatable bugs I found in Kate & Inkscape, you guys convinced > me I > > should file the bug reports and then find ways to live around the bugs > for > > the near future. I sent a message to this group recently about the Kate > > crash because I wasn't sure how to report it, but no-one replied: " > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/06/msg00014.html";. For the > Inkscape > > crash i tested it on Mint KDE 14, Mint KDE 13 and ArchLinux and none of > > those crashed, only Debian Stable, and only while using OpenGL as the > KWin > > renderer (ie: it doesn't crash while using XRender), so I'm also a bit > > confused about whether to file a bug to Debian or to Inkscape, since it > > seems to have been fixed in recent versions of Inkscape. > > Unless told specifically to do so by a project community, file bugs in a > tracker over sending an issue to a mailing list. Mailing lists are good > for disucssing current thing, bug trackers are good for recording a > history and it's eventually resolution (or ignorance). Unless you want > to ask a community if you shouldn't file a bug (never ask if you should, > because you'll fall into that no one will reply trap). > > -- > Rubin > ru...@starset.net > >
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
Thanks Raúl! I'll do some further investigation next time KDE crashes. Cheers, Shervin Emami. http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Raúl Sánchez wrote: > Hoi: > > I'd say the problem may well be somewhere in the graphics stack. Once > you have > a crash it's quite convenient knowing exactly where it happenned and > getting a > backtrace of it. > > Check ~/.xsession-erros and also Xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.[01].log or > /var/log/Xorg.[01].log.old if a new X instance already fired up), sometimes > kdm.log also helps. > > If you want further information, install relevant -dbg packages: > xserver, x video > driver, mesa and drm. Once you have this installed make sure you enabled > core > dumps. I do this adding "ulimit -c unlimited" somewhere at the begginning > of > /etc/init.d/kdm script. If X crashes you'll get a core dump at > /etc/X11/core > which you can later analyze with "gdb /etc/X11/core $(which Xorg)" > > Good luck with this. Regards, > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 01:39:07AM -0700, Shervin Emami wrote: > > Yes I do this to restart Plasma when it crashes every few days. I am > using the > > NetworkManager applet, and that is well known to have many issues, so > that > > might be partly to blame. But other times when my computer crashes, not > even > > Ctrl+Alt+Del or Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace work, and sometimes Ctrl+Alt+1 works so > I can > > kill a bad app, but often the only key combo that works at all is > Alt+PrtSc+K! > > > > > > Cheers, > > Shervin Emami. > > http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Krammer > wrote: > > > > On Monday, 2013-07-15, Shervin Emami wrote: > > > > > I experience crashes around once per day, either as a software like > > > Iceweasel or Kate or Dolphin crashing or as KDE/Plasma crashing & > > requiring > > > me to hit Alt+PrtSc+K to close X & log back in to KDE. I've also > found > > > > If Plasma Desktop crashes it can usually be restarted using Alt-F2 > and > > typing > > plasma-desktop. > > > > Hasn't happend for me in ages, so maybe it is one of the applets you > are > > using? > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > > > > > -- > Raúl Sánchez Siles > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/20130715090040.GA11306@trismegisto.universo > >
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Shervin Emami wrote: > I'm even using the Debian Stable packages for > NVIDIA GPU and CUDA toolkit and OpenGL. > > ... Are you using the nvidia driver or nouveau? I had similar problems with nouveau and desktop effects enabled. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPYB0ABaVE=yg5jjy6ruhbfuksg_794oc6psznku0va+da_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Recommended way to use Debian?
I'm using the NVIDIA driver from Debian Stable, but since I have Optimus (both an Intel & NVIDIA GPU), it would be using the Intel driver for normal display, and I made it use Mesa as the default GL library for this reason. So maybe my problems are related to Optimus, I wouldn't be surprised :-( I work for NVIDIA and yet even I have numerous software & hardware troubles due to Optimus! I'll try using the latest NVIDIA driver, supposedly it has some Optimus support now so it doesn't need Bumblebee anymore. Cheers, Shervin Emami. http://www.shervinemami.info/openCV.html On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Facundo Aguilera wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Shervin Emami > wrote: > > I'm even using the Debian Stable packages for > > NVIDIA GPU and CUDA toolkit and OpenGL. > > > > ... > > Are you using the nvidia driver or nouveau? I had similar problems > with nouveau and desktop effects enabled. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/CAPYB0ABaVE=yg5jjy6ruhbfuksg_794oc6psznku0va+da_...@mail.gmail.com > >
