Re: Updating my system

2005-12-07 Thread David Martínez Moreno
El miércoles, 7 de diciembre de 2005 05:57, Richard Wegner escribió:
> Hi there,
>
> I recently tried to update my system and this is what I get:
[...]
> 
> I have no idea what to do now?  I just want to upgrade my system..
>
> Currently I have Debian 3.1 UNSTABLE version (I prefer it that way
> actually).

Then this is not a good time to upgrade your system to current sid if 
you do 
not know what is going on with such a message.

Due to another C++ global change, a lot of C++ libraries are again 
affected. 
Do you remember the last C++ ABI havoc? More or less this is the same, but 
probably it will be much shorter. Simply relax and wait another week to 
upgrade. You do not *really* need the latest sid. Believe me. :-)


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sound support under KDE

2005-12-07 Thread Matej Cepl
Can anybody explain me the mess I feel I am in? There is arts, gstreamer,
xine, mplayer, flac, jack, alsa, and I am sure I forgot something which is
used for sound playing on KDE. I understand that some of these are more
like hardware drivers (ALSA -- although there is alsaplayer) and some more
manipulating more sophisticated high-level stuff (xine, mplayer), but still
there seems to be too much stuff going around. I am currently mostly on
arts/xine with stuff from testing (and now sid with new KDE), but I know
that things are gradually moving towards gstreamer. So I would like to
switch, but I am totally confused about what to do. So here are my
questions:

1) Are they? I mean is arts dead or going to die soon?
2) Control Center's sound system tab is just for arts, right? Is there (is
there going to be) some equivalent for gstreamer? Where to get it?
3) Any other suggestions what is the most simple working set of tools (both
for collection of tracks from my CDs as well as for playing radio streams
over the Internet) with packages from the main Debian repository?

URLs for some documents explaining this mess would be more than welcome as
well.

Thanks in advance,

Matej
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Re: sound support under KDE

2005-12-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 17:14, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Can anybody explain me the mess I feel I am in? There is arts, gstreamer,
> xine, mplayer, flac, jack, alsa, and I am sure I forgot something which is
> used for sound playing on KDE. I understand that some of these are more
> like hardware drivers (ALSA -- although there is alsaplayer) and some more
> manipulating more sophisticated high-level stuff (xine, mplayer), but still
> there seems to be too much stuff going around. I am currently mostly on
> arts/xine with stuff from testing (and now sid with new KDE), but I know
> that things are gradually moving towards gstreamer. So I would like to
> switch, but I am totally confused about what to do. So here are my
> questions:

I'd say if you have a working setup, you can safely stay with it until KDE4 is 
released.

> 1) Are they? I mean is arts dead or going to die soon?

aRts is AFAIK no longer actively maintained or developed, but will be part of 
KDE3 due to compatability reasons.
It will likely not be part of KDE4 unless it is part of a KDE3 compatability 
layer/library.

> 2) Control Center's sound system tab is just for arts, right? Is there (is
> there going to be) some equivalent for gstreamer? Where to get it?

This section is for KDE's audio system, i.e. how sounds are produced for 
example in notifications. This is tied to aRts (unless you configure an 
external player) there is no direct usage of other decoder frameworks 
implemented., thus no configuration page in a default installation.

It might be possible that control center modules for other sound systems are 
available as third party projects.

> 3) Any other suggestions what is the most simple working set of tools (both
> for collection of tracks from my CDs as well as for playing radio streams
> over the Internet) with packages from the main Debian repository?

I guess this is a matter of taste.
I use mplayer (not in main repository IIRC) for most playing needs, configured 
with arts as the audio driver/sink (-ao arts)

Cheers,
Kevin


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fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread Leni Mayo

Hi -

I've just done:
  apt-get install msttcorefonts
and the fonts seemed to install fine.  The fonts are being served by 
xfstt, and

  $ xlsfonts | grep msttcorefonts
lists all the -msttcorefonts-blah-

But in xfontsel, the window pane that normally shows the font symbols 
appears blank!  Likewise, in

  $ xterm  -fn '-msttcorefonts-courier \
  new-bold-r-normal-bold-0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-'
the cursor moves when I tap the keyboard but I don't see any characters.

Any ideas on how to debug this?  Do I need to do some additonal 
configuration after installing msttcorefonts?


Leni.


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Re: fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread Curt Howland
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 17:14, Leni Mayo was heard to say:
> Hi -
>
> I've just done:
>apt-get install msttcorefonts
> and the fonts seemed to install fine.  The fonts are being served
> by xfstt, and
>$ xlsfonts | grep msttcorefonts
> lists all the -msttcorefonts-blah-

This is interesting.

$ xlsfonts | grep msttcorefonts

returns nothing. Blank. I did a pipe to less, and looked by hand, and 
still nothing named "ms" anything.

# apt-get install msttcorefonts
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
msttcorefonts is already the newest version.


> Any ideas on how to debug this?  Do I need to do some additonal
> configuration after installing msttcorefonts?

I think it's quite interesting, and look forward to some other peoples 
experiences here.

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Re: fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread Matej Cepl
Curt Howland wrote:
>> Any ideas on how to debug this?  Do I need to do some additonal
>> configuration after installing msttcorefonts?
> 
> I think it's quite interesting, and look forward to some other peoples
> experiences here.

Try

xlsfonts | grep '^-monotype'

Mat?j

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Re: fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread Curt Howland
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 19:33, Matej Cepl was heard to say:
> xlsfonts | grep '^-monotype'

Nothing. Nothing with just "monotype" either.

# dpkg-reconfigure msttcorefonts
warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/truetype does not exist or is not a 
directory
These fonts were provided by Microsoft "in the interest of cross-
platform compatibility".  This is no longer the case, but they are
still available from third parties.

You are free to download these fonts and use them for your own use,
but you may not redistribute them in modified form, including changes
to the file name or packaging format.
All fonts downloaded and installed.


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Re: fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread Josh Metzler
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 05:14 pm, Leni Mayo wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I've just done:
>apt-get install msttcorefonts
> and the fonts seemed to install fine.  The fonts are being served by
> xfstt, and
>$ xlsfonts | grep msttcorefonts
> lists all the -msttcorefonts-blah-

$ xlsfonts | grep msttcorefonts
$ xlsfonts | grep microsoft
...
-microsoft-comic sans ms-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
...

> Any ideas on how to debug this?  Do I need to do some additonal
> configuration after installing msttcorefonts?

That is to say, all my msttcorefonts start with -microsoft-*.  Of course, I 
installed them almost 3 years ago, so maybe something has changed since 
then.  Or maybe the new installer is broken?

Josh


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Re: fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread Leni Mayo
When I installed the msttcorefonts package yesterday, it installed the 
fonts as msttcorefonts, meaning the .ttf files live under 
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts and xlsfonts reports the fonts 
as -msttcorefonts-blah-


Where I am stuck is that these fonts aren't visible to the naked eye 
when selected in xfontsel or used in xterm.


Leni

Josh Metzler wrote:

On Wednesday 07 December 2005 05:14 pm, Leni Mayo wrote:
> Hi -
> 
> I've just done:

>   apt-get install msttcorefonts
> and the fonts seemed to install fine.  The fonts are being served by 
> xfstt, and

>   $ xlsfonts | grep msttcorefonts
> lists all the -msttcorefonts-blah-
> 
> But in xfontsel, the window pane that normally shows the font symbols 
> appears blank!  Likewise, in

>   $ xterm  -fn '-msttcorefonts-courier \
>   new-bold-r-normal-bold-0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-'
> the cursor moves when I tap the keyboard but I don't see any characters.
> 
> Any ideas on how to debug this?  Do I need to do some additonal 
> configuration after installing msttcorefonts?
> 
> Leni.




That is to say, all my msttcorefonts start with -microsoft-*.  Of course, I 
installed them almost 3 years ago, so maybe something has changed since 
then.  Or maybe the new installer is broken?


Josh





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Re: fonts in msttcorefonts appear blank

2005-12-07 Thread qaz
last few weeks i've had the problem that certain flash website won't display 
text (altough its possible to select the invisible text and copy and paste 
it). could this be related?



On Thursday 08 December 2005 03:08, Leni Mayo wrote:
> When I installed the msttcorefonts package yesterday, it installed the
> fonts as msttcorefonts, meaning the .ttf files live under
> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts and xlsfonts reports the fonts
> as -msttcorefonts-blah-
>
> Where I am stuck is that these fonts aren't visible to the naked eye
> when selected in xfontsel or used in xterm.
>
> Leni
>


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