How To Downgrade XFree86 From 4.2.1 to 4.1.0 ?
Hi Folks Because of the trouble I had trying to upgrade my Woody KDE 3.1.4 to the Woody 3.2.2 debs at download.k.o : (http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2004/07/msg00121.html) and the comments from others (thanks Nate) that it's probably due to my use of backported XFree86 4.2.1, I've been trying to figure out how to downgrade my Xfree86 from the www.backports.org version 4.2.1 that I currently have to the vanilla 4.1.0-16 that normally comes with Woody. But the commands I've tried either want to remove way too much of my system, or they only allow me to replace individual packages : 1) asking apt-get to install the older xfree86-common causes it to want to remove everything that depends on X, plus a few non-X packages you wouldn't think were dependent (analog ? dsniff ? nethack ?) : [NB: identical result with aptitude ..] glimmer:# apt-get -s install xfree86-common/stable Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Selected version 4.1.0-16woody3 (Debian-Security:3.0/stable) for xfree86-common The following extra packages will be installed: fontconfig libartsc0 libartsc0-dev libfontconfig1 libfreetype6 libfreetype6-dev xfree86-common The following packages will be REMOVED: aalib1 abiword abiword-common abiword-gtk abiword-plugins analog ark armagetron arts artsbuilder bluefish bonobo dsniff frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-lib gconf gdk-imlib1 gdm gimp1.2 glutg3 gnome-applets gnome-bin gnome-card-games gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-gnomine gnome-help gnome-libs-data gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-terminal gnome-utils gs gs-common gsfonts-x11 guarddog gv icewm iconx imagemagick imlib1 kaboodle kaddressbook kandy kappfinder karbon kasteroids kate kaudiocreator kbackgammon kbear kcd kchart kcontrol kde-theme-liquid kdeartwork-style kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-dev kdebase-kio-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs4 kdelibs4-dev kdemultimedia kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepim-libs kdeprint kdesktop kdevelop kdevelop-data kdf kdm kfind kformula kgamma kget kgpg kgpgcertmanager khelpcenter kicker kit kivio klipper kmahjongg kmail kmenuedit kmid kmidi kmix kmyfirewall knode knotes koffice koffice-libs konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kontour kopete koshell koules kpackage kpager kpersonalizer kppp kpresenter krec ksame kscd kscreensaver ksmserver ksplash kspread ksysguard ksysv ktip kugar kwin kword kxconfig lbreakout2 lbxproxy libarts1 libarts1-audiofile libarts1-dev libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libcapplet0 libgal-data libgal19 libgconf11 libgd1 libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 libgdk-pixbuf2 libgimp1.2 libglade-gnome0 libglade0 libglide3 libgnome-vfs-common libgnome-vfs0 libgnome32 libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data libgnomeprint15 libgnomesupport0 libgnomeui32 libgnorba27 libgtk1.2 libgtkhtml20 libgtkxmhtml1 libkdegames1 libkdenetwork2 libkonq4 libmagick5 libmng-dev libqt2 libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev libqutil1 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-perl libsdl-ttf1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-all libsmpeg0 libungif4g libwmf0.2-2 libxaw6 libxaw7 libxine0 lincity-x mirrormagic mozilla-browser mozilla-psm mpeglib msttcorefonts nethack nethack-common nethack-x11 noatun nowebm proxymngr qt3-dev-tools quanta rep-gtk rep-gtk-gnome sane sawfish-gnome snowflake synaesthesia t1lib1 timidity tk8.3 tuxracer twm usbview x-ttcidfont-conf x-window-system x-window-system-core xaos xaw3dg xbase-clients xcruise xdm xfireworks xfishtank xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-abi xfonts-base xfonts-konsole xfonts-scalable xfwp xgalaga xhangglider xlibmesa-dev xlibmesa-gl-dev xlibmesa-glu-dev xlibmesa3 xlibmesa3-gl xlibs xlibs-dev xlibs-pic xmms xnest xpdf xpdf-reader xscavenger xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-nognome xserver-common xserver-xfree86 xterm xtris xutils The following NEW packages will be installed: fontconfig libfontconfig1 The following packages will be DOWNGRADED xfree86-common 4 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 downgraded, 239 to remove and 23 not upgraded. 2) dpkg looks promising but will only replace one package at a time glimmer:# dpkg --no-act -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_4.1.0-16woody1_all.deb dpkg - warning: downgrading xfree86-common from 4.2.1-15.backports.org.1 to 4.1.0-16woody1. (Reading database ... 68117 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace xfree86-common 4.2.1-15.backports.org.1 (using .../xfree86-common_4.1.0-16woody1_all.deb) ... Presumably I'd have to repeat this for each of the 34 XFree86 4.2.1 packages I have installed ... Googling for advice on downgrading has not produced an answer. I found these official docs : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html which only have this to say : "Downgrading from a later release of a package to an earlier one is not officially supp
Re: apt-* (dist-)upgrade 3.1.4 to 3.2.2 Woody Debs Very Alarming
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:47:36 +0100, I wrote: >I'd like to try out the upgrade path from KDE 3.1.4 to KDE 3.2.2 using >the Woody debs that someone (Andreas Mueller ?) has posted at >download.kde.org. > >My system is running vanilla Woody, apart from XFree86 which I >upgraded from Woody's 4.1.0 to backports.org's 4.2.1 some while back. >I'm currently running the Ralf Nolden download.k.o KDE 3.1.4 debs. [...] >As you can see, a plain "upgrade" will only upgrade my XFree86, plus >some random _parts_ of KDE (the rest would be _removed_). > >On the other hand, a "dist-upgrade" would do much the same *and* would >_remove_ huge unrelated, and in some cases *vital* parts of my system >... such as MySQL, Samba, PPP, Freeswan, man-db, fetchmail, htdig, >ssh, gcc, etc., etc. Two things : 1) It turns out I'm not the only one with this problem - two other people have mailed me off list to say this affects them too, and to ask if I've found a solution yet. 2) I'm trying to move this forward by attempting to downgrade my XFree86 4.2.1 (from www.backports.org) to the V4.1.0 that comes with vanilla Woody - however, that isn't looking very easy at all - I haven't actually done it yet, but simulations with various apt commands are not offering to do what I want at all ... See my post on this list today : Subject "How To Downgrade XFree86 From 4.2.1 to 4.1.0 ?" http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2004/07/msg00198.html Anyway, thanks for everyone's feedback so far. Nick Boyce Bristol, UK -- Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.
Re: How To Downgrade XFree86 From 4.2.1 to 4.1.0 ?
Nick,
On second thought, I'm not so sure downgrading X will solve your problem. See
my next message.
On Sunday 25 July 2004 09:56 am, Nick Boyce wrote:
> Does anyone have a nice/best way of doing this X downgrade ?
You *might* be able to do this by running something similar to the following:
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep '4.2.1-15.backports.org.1' \
| awk '{print $2"=4.1.0-16woody1"}' | xargs echo apt-get install
I suggest you first make sure you understand what that does, and then run it
once with the "echo" in there to see what will be done, and then remove the
"echo" to actually do it if it makes sense.
Cheers, (and good luck)
nate
--
Nathaniel W. Turner
http://www.houseofnate.net/
Tel: +1 508 579 1948 (mobile)
Re: apt-* (dist-)upgrade 3.1.4 to 3.2.2 Woody Debs Very Alarming
On Monday 12 July 2004 10:47 pm, Nick Boyce wrote: > I'd like to try out the upgrade path from KDE 3.1.4 to KDE 3.2.2 using > the Woody debs that someone (Andreas Mueller ?) has posted at > download.kde.org. > > My system is running vanilla Woody, apart from XFree86 which I > upgraded from Woody's 4.1.0 to backports.org's 4.2.1 some while back. > I'm currently running the Ralf Nolden download.k.o KDE 3.1.4 debs. > > If I use "apt-get -s (dist-)upgrade" to see what the upgrade proposes, > I get totally scary output for both cases. What output do you get if you just run "apt-get install kdebase"? > Since people keep telling us that apt-get is braindead, and that > aptitude does a better job, I tried that too, with similarly scary > results. Since aptitude's output is more compact, I include it here. In my experience, aptitude has its own set of problems. Alas, nothing is perfect. Cheers, nate -- Nathaniel W. Turner http://www.houseofnate.net/ Tel: +1 508 579 1948 (mobile)
packages fetching tools
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Nathaniel W. Turner wrote: Since people keep telling us that apt-get is braindead, and that aptitude does a better job, I tried that too, with similarly scary results. Since aptitude's output is more compact, I include it here. In my experience, aptitude has its own set of problems. Alas, nothing is perfect. Don't forget about dselect. If the APT tools are not giving you enough control then maybe dselect will, especially if you don't use the apt method for fetching packages. - Bruce
KWeather -- Station Help Needed
I live in Titusville, FL. The NOAA site brings up "KTIX" as the local station ID. KWeather complains that the station ID "KTIX" does not exist. Help me resolve this. -- Q: Why is Poland just like the United States? A: In the United States you can't buy anything for zlotys and in Poland you can't either, while in the U.S. you can get whatever you want for dollars, just as you can in Poland. -- being told in Poland, 1987
Re: packages fetching tools
Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Nathaniel W. Turner wrote: >>> Since people keep telling us that apt-get is braindead, and that >>> aptitude does a better job, I tried that too, with similarly scary >>> results. Since aptitude's output is more compact, I include it here. >> >> In my experience, aptitude has its own set of problems. Alas, nothing is >> perfect. > > Don't forget about dselect. If the APT tools are not giving you enough > control then maybe dselect will, especially if you don't use the apt > method for fetching packages. If aptitude can't do it right, dselect surely won't do the right thing... pgpnxqmZ7AhBP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KWeather -- Station Help Needed
Robert Tilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I live in Titusville, FL. The NOAA site brings up "KTIX" as the local > station > ID. > > KWeather complains that the station ID "KTIX" does not exist. Try a different case? ICAO is case sensitive, lowercase works for me. pgpPArQrCnNlq.pgp Description: PGP signature
POP filters in KMail
I'm running KMail 1.6.2 with KDE 3.2.3, and I am unable to get the POP filters working. What I want to do is filter out messages that have been flagged as spam; the POP server I connect to nicely runs SpamAssassin, but leaves it up to the user to decide what to do about it. It appends a header "X-Spam-Warning: This message may be SPAM" to every email that it decides is spam, and what I would like to do is just delete every email with that header. So, under the POP3 filter dialog, I create the following filter: o Match all of the following o - contains - This message may be SPAM o Filter Action: Download mail later o Global Options: Always show matched 'Download Later' messages in a confirmation dialog. But it does nothing. I set it to "Download later" to simply double check that it was working, but that spam keeps coming in even when I change it to "Delete mail from server." As an extreme example, I created another rule, that should download all mail later and show a confirmation dialog for all emails larger than 1 byte. This too does not work, since all messages (spam and otherwise) continue to be delivered. Are the POP3 filters simply there for show, and should I be looking into other means of filtering out spam? TIA, :Peter
Re: packages fetching tools
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:30:50 -0600 (MDT), Bruce Sass wrote: >>> Since people keep telling us that apt-get is braindead, and that >>> aptitude does a better job, I tried that too, with similarly scary >>> results. Since aptitude's output is more compact, I include it here. >> >> In my experience, aptitude has its own set of problems. Alas, nothing is >> perfect. > >Don't forget about dselect. If the APT tools are not giving you >enough control then maybe dselect will, especially if you don't use >the apt method for fetching packages. I'm sorry ... I've used dselect. I still have bad dreams about the hours I spent lost wandering round in there (not to mention in its so-called help system). IMHO it's user interface exemplifies the phrase "as user friendly as a cornered rat". I can't imagine what the designers were thinking of when they dreamed it up. I understand that it (apparently) gives the best level of control over packages, and it sure is very quick at whatever-the-hell-it-is that it does, but I won't use it again unless I'm being beaten with rubber hoses to force me to. If apt hadn't existed, I might even have been forced to give up using Debian because of the thought of having to use dselect for package management. [phew] I feel better now ... thankyou for letting me share that with you ;-) Nick Boyce Bristol, UK -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough.
Re: POP filters in KMail
On Sun 25 July 2004 12:02, Peter Clark wrote: > I'm running KMail 1.6.2 with KDE 3.2.3, and I am unable to get the > POP filters working. What I want to do is filter out messages that > have been flagged as spam; the POP server I connect to nicely runs > SpamAssassin, but leaves it up to the user to decide what to do about > it. It appends a header "X-Spam-Warning: This message may be SPAM" to > every email that it decides is spam, and what I would like to do is > just delete every email with that header. > So, under the POP3 filter dialog, I create the following filter: > o Match all of the following > o - contains - This message may be SPAM > o Filter Action: Download mail later > o Global Options: Always show matched 'Download Later' messages in a > confirmation dialog. > > But it does nothing. I set it to "Download later" to simply double > check that it was working, but that spam keeps coming in even when I > change it to "Delete mail from server." > As an extreme example, I created another rule, that should download > all mail later and show a confirmation dialog for all emails larger > than 1 byte. This too does not work, since all messages (spam and > otherwise) continue to be delivered. Are the POP3 filters simply > there for show, and should I be looking into other means of filtering > out spam? It's not very intuitive, I'll grant you that. POP3 filtering has to be enabled first: Settings | Configure KMail Network | Receiving Select the account, Modify... X Filter messages if they are greater than [...] The problem with filtering on the server is that KMail has to download the headers of *every* message that is over the specified size. This means that the headers of messages that don't get deleted (ie the good stuff) gets downloaded twice. Since a lot of spam is as small as a kilobyte, this results in a massive duplication of downloading if you set the threshold at something small. If most of your mail is junk this might not be a big deal, but if you're on mailing lists it can slow things down quite a bit. It's probably best to use a local filter instead, and this also allows you to check for false positives anyway. I only use this feature for large (>50kB) messages, most of which are probably viruses. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://david.jamesnet.ca ICQ: #42891899, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've lost something, you had to lose it, not loose it. pgpuPU0pmVLMo.pgp Description: signature
