Re: Upgrading the kernel on a woody box
What does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say? Hi's runing woody. This stuff is for potato. Also sprach Fred K Ollinger: > You need these packages for 2.4 to work. Otherwise it will never > work: > > http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html > > Fred -- Best of all is never to have been born. Second best is to die soon.
EURO SUPPORT DOCUMENT
Hi all!! Javier Fernandez Sanguino, has just released a document about the Euro support for Debian. I was thinking in writting one, but I think that this is good enough. It's in english, I think it's interesting for the list. Here you are: http://www.dat.etsit.upm.es/~jfs/debian/devel/euro-support -- CAPON http://capon.sourceforge.net C.B HOLOGRAMAS http://webs.demasiado.com/hologramas LInuxeros LOcos http://lilo.sourceforge.net Llave publica http://www.terra.es/personal5/heraclit0/heraclit0.gpg Usuario de Linux registrado Nª 224358 en http://counter.li.org Tfno curro: 915866123
Re: KDE & euro
Hi there! Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > Hi all ! > > The Euro is coming soon (in less than 60 days), and so I have tried to > configure my linux box to support the Euro. I have add the ISO8859-15 fonts, > and the following lines in my .bashrc > > LC_CTYPE=ISO-8859-15 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > export LC_MONETARY LC_CTYPE LC_NUMERIC LC_TIME LC_MESSAGES LC_COLLATE LANG > LANGUAGE LC_ALL LESSCHARSET > > In the KDE configuration panel I have selected the ISO8859-15 set. You have to select fonts that support ISO-8859-15 in section fonts ok KDE panel, and select that in country and language too. For this to work you need ISO8859 fonts, those fonts are included in transcoded packages (for woody): xfonts-100dpi- 4.1.0-7 xfonts-75dpi-t 4.1.0-7 xfonts-base-tr 4.1.0-7 xfonts-intl-eu 1.2-2 (International fonts for X -- European.) > > It works under console and in all X applications except KDE. I mean that when > I press Alt-Gr+E in a KDE application, the character which appears is a > question mark, but if I do a copy/paste from xterm for or if I read a text > document or a website the euro symbol appears. I suggest you that read this document and then tell us: http://www.dat.etsit.upm.es/~jfs/debian/devel/euro-support > > It is something I forgot to do ? > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAPON http://capon.sourceforge.net C.B HOLOGRAMAS http://webs.demasiado.com/hologramas LInuxeros LOcos http://lilo.sourceforge.net Llave publica http://www.terra.es/personal5/heraclit0/heraclit0.gpg Usuario de Linux registrado Nª 224358 en http://counter.li.org Tfno curro: 915866123
Grokking KDE installation (Re: KDE directory layout)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ivan, On Monday 05 November 2001 21:44, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > it's more than that. let me try to explain this. > > It would work if we had a different prefix for each installation...ie > > *everything* was dumped under /opt/kde2 or /usr/local/kde2 for kde2 > *everything* was dumped under /opt/kde3 or /usr/local/kde3 for kde3 > > that would work great as nothing would conflict however out of the box this > would not work and also would break fhs..etc... > I don't see why out of this box this wouldn't work. This should work since that is how a kde hacker does a local kde compilation for CVS HEAD beside his stable KDE installation. It *would* work, but you can't use either /opt or /usr/local as KDE installation dir because it would break fhs. > to follow fhs,deb policy,etc... we dump things in their proper locations > using a prefix of /usr so we end up with: > > /usr/bin -binaries- > /usr/lib -libraries- > /usr/lib/kde2-modules- > /usr/share/apps -app specific dirs- > /usr/share/applnk-.desktop menu/info files- > /etc/kde2-conf dir- > However, you can still use a directory, say /usr/lib/kde for the top level. (Ignoring the whole KDE2/KDE3 issue for a moment because I've got something else on my mind) then /usr/lib/kde/bin /usr/lib/kde/lib /usr/lib/kde/share -> /usr/share/kde /usr/lib/kde/etc -> /etc/kde I'm just writing this to show that there is more than one way to do it. IMHO for large subsystems it's better to use a directory layout like this. And there are packages that do similar organization in debian. Comments welcome, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE76lXufAeuFodNU5wRAiuoAJ9MvOAAVVNlL8bXVlVaRQtg3PXzIgCeNBul sgL3cXW0kobDNZlJFAXJdwI= =N+VY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
How to bork KDE2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Although these packages can coexist with KDE2, installing kdelibs4-dev will bork the running KDE2. (From Ivan's people.d.o repo) orion:exa$ sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: kdelibs4 libarts1 libarts1-dev libkmid0 libkmid0-dev The following NEW packages will be installed: kdelibs4 kdelibs4-dev libarts1 libarts1-dev libkmid0 libkmid0-dev 0 packages upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 19 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/8564kB of archives. After unpacking 34.7MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Don't try it. :P To get back to a running system, you have to remove these, and then --remove - --force-all kdelibs3 and then reinstall kdelibs3. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE76mdzfAeuFodNU5wRAvazAJ9hf9z/G2CTesK3w5VVeN/FXYW8pQCfXXvt 7RD3rtx+njMH8h6tHQhrKZA= =wdGt -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: EURO SUPPORT DOCUMENT
Better yet: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support or the 'euro-support' package in the experimental area. Feeback appreciated. Javi Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:33:23AM +0100, javi wrote: > Hi all!! > > > Javier Fernandez Sanguino, has just released a document > about the Euro support for Debian. I was thinking in > writting one, but I think that this is good enough. It's in > english, I think it's interesting for the list. Here you > are: > > http://www.dat.etsit.upm.es/~jfs/debian/devel/euro-support > > -- > > CAPON http://capon.sourceforge.net > C.B HOLOGRAMAS http://webs.demasiado.com/hologramas > LInuxeros LOcos http://lilo.sourceforge.net > Llave publica > http://www.terra.es/personal5/heraclit0/heraclit0.gpg > Usuario de Linux registrado Nª 224358 en > http://counter.li.org > Tfno curro: 915866123
Help -- noatun starts with no display
When I select the KDE Multimedia Player, it opens without displaying any graphics and begins playing my mp3s. I have no control over it and must kill the process. Is this going to be fixed soon? I run unstable. -- Comments and information are appreciated. Flames, rants, and other miscellany are routed to /dev/null. Robert Tilley, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help -- noatun starts with no display
Thus spake Robert Tilley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > When I select the KDE Multimedia Player, it opens without displaying > any graphics and begins playing my mp3s. I have no control over it > and must kill the process. > > Is this going to be fixed soon? > > I run unstable. Have a look at the left of your kicker panel (assuming it's at the bottom of the screen). You should see a small icon that looks like a donut (or something else, I'll spare you all from my perverted mind). That is "Young Hickory", the panel app for noatun. You should be able to work from there... -- Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP/GnuPG Key ID 0xC9C40C31 (preferred) pgpCMydUKkxhM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help -- noatun starts with no display
Thus spake Justin R. Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Have a look at the left of your kicker panel /me learns his right from his left ;-) -- Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP/GnuPG Key ID 0xC9C40C31 (preferred) pgpj4iC75WsxT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Grokking KDE installation (Re: KDE directory layout)
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:52:43AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: > Hi Ivan, > > On Monday 05 November 2001 21:44, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > > it's more than that. let me try to explain this. > > > > It would work if we had a different prefix for each installation...ie > > > > *everything* was dumped under /opt/kde2 or /usr/local/kde2 for kde2 > > *everything* was dumped under /opt/kde3 or /usr/local/kde3 for kde3 > > > > that would work great as nothing would conflict however out of the box this > > would not work and also would break fhs..etc... > > > > I don't see why out of this box this wouldn't work. This should work since > that is how a kde hacker does a local kde compilation for CVS HEAD beside his > stable KDE installation. > > It *would* work, but you can't use either /opt or /usr/local as KDE > installation dir because it would break fhs. and how will the end user swap back and forth? And how would a user have a mixed installation? You haven't thought this out and I am now done trying to explain this to you. > > > to follow fhs,deb policy,etc... we dump things in their proper locations > > using a prefix of /usr so we end up with: > > > > /usr/bin -binaries- > > /usr/lib -libraries- > > /usr/lib/kde2-modules- > > /usr/share/apps -app specific dirs- > > /usr/share/applnk-.desktop menu/info files- > > /etc/kde2-conf dir- > > > > However, you can still use a directory, say /usr/lib/kde for the top level. > (Ignoring the whole KDE2/KDE3 issue for a moment because I've got something > else on my mind) > > then > > /usr/lib/kde/bin > /usr/lib/kde/lib > /usr/lib/kde/share -> /usr/share/kde > /usr/lib/kde/etc -> /etc/kde > > I'm just writing this to show that there is more than one way to do it. IMHO > for large subsystems it's better to use a directory layout like this. And > there are packages that do similar organization in debian. -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
Re: kmail: pop3 with ssl fails
Am Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2001 16:33 schrieb Kurt Lieber: > > So, in case you can't get Kmail/POP3/SSL all working together, you should > still be able to use fetchmail to retrieve messages. > I did :-) Just if someone else runs into similar problems: It worked when I changed the authorisation to simple text. Maybe it could have worked another way and only the server was broken the day I tried it first... But now it works fine! Olaf
Re: Help -- noatun starts with no display
On Thursday 08 November 2001 16:47, Justin R. Miller wrote: > Thus spake Robert Tilley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > When I select the KDE Multimedia Player, it opens without displaying > > any graphics and begins playing my mp3s. I have no control over it > > and must kill the process. Happened here two two or three times. Rename the noatun config file and restart noatun. > > > > Is this going to be fixed soon? No. Problem exists since months. Never found the time to invetigate the problem. > > I run unstable. testing aka KDE 2.1 > Have a look at the left of your kicker panel (assuming it's at the > bottom of the screen). You should see a small icon that looks like a > donut (or something else, I'll spare you all from my perverted mind). > That is "Young Hickory", the panel app for noatun. You should be able > to work from there... When it happend to me the little icon was not there :( Achim > -- > Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PGP/GnuPG Key ID 0xC9C40C31 (preferred) > -- To me vi is Zen. To use vi is to practice zen. Every command is a koan. Profound to the user, unintelligible to the uninitiated. You discover truth everytime you use it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading the kernel on a woody box
> Hi's runing woody. This stuff is for potato. Sorry about that. I got 2.4 up easily on woody. Fred
lpr -#1
I am unable to print from KDE 2.2 printmanager. It appears that the cause of the problem is the '-#1' in KDE's lpr print command. Also, if I issue 'lpr -#1 printfile.name' from the command line, lpr fails. Debian's man lpr(1) says that the '-#' function 'may' be disabled on a per site basis. How do I: either edit the KDE print manager lpd instruction? or, activate Debian's lpr -#1 function? Debian testing/unstable, kernel 2.4.9 Thanks John Batistic
Re: KDE & euro
On Thursday 8 November 2001 10:41, javi wrote: > Hi there! > > You have to select fonts that support ISO-8859-15 in section > fonts ok KDE panel, and select that in country and language > too. For this to work you need ISO8859 fonts, those fonts > are included in transcoded packages (for woody): > > xfonts-100dpi- 4.1.0-7 > xfonts-75dpi-t 4.1.0-7 > xfonts-base-tr 4.1.0-7 > xfonts-intl-eu 1.2-2 (International fonts for X -- > European.) All the fonts here are already installed, and I have selected fonts that support ISO-8859-15 in the KDE panel. I forgot to precise that I am running a woody with the latest packages of KDE from the pool (KDE 2.2.1, kdelibs 2.2.1-14). > > I suggest you that read this document and then tell us: > > http://www.dat.etsit.upm.es/~jfs/debian/devel/euro-support > I have read this document and also the following document : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support In this last document I have found a link to a web-page about KDE and Euro: http://users.pandora.be/sim/euro/112/ On this web page it is written that KDE is not yet ready for the euro and that kedit & kwrite show up the Euro character but they do not allow to input it. It is exactly the problem I have but in all applications, so I suppose it is a not implemented feature of KDE. Maybe in 2.2.2 ? Has anybody succeed in having a total support of euro in KDE ?
Re: KDE & euro
Aurelien Jarno wrote: > In this last document I have found a link to a web-page about KDE and > Euro: http://users.pandora.be/sim/euro/112/ > > On this web page it is written that KDE is not yet ready for the euro > and that kedit & kwrite show up the Euro character but they do not > allow to input it. Keymap doesn't support euro? > It is exactly the problem I have but in all applications, so I > suppose it is a not implemented feature of KDE. Maybe in 2.2.2 ? No need to implement anything. > Has anybody succeed in having a total support of euro in KDE ? Yes, I'm using it without any problem about year already. Even with Potato I used euro without any problem. Of course, with XFree3 you will need additional fonts. Good set is for example http://linux.ee/~ville/vh-fonts-0.99.2.tar.gz These are made mostly for Estonian users (iso-8859-15 contains some chars needed for estonian not in latin1), but are correct iso-8859-15 fonts. Modified helvetica, times, courier and one font for terminal. regards, Hasso Tepper KDE Estonian Team
Re: lpr -#1
> I am unable to print from KDE 2.2 printmanager. > > It appears that the cause of the problem is the '-#1' in KDE's lpr > print command. Also, if I issue 'lpr -#1 printfile.name' from the > command line, lpr fails. > > Debian's man lpr(1) says that the '-#' function 'may' be disabled > on a per site basis. > > How do I: > either edit the KDE print manager lpd instruction? > > or, activate Debian's lpr -#1 function? I have the same problem with the old BSD lpr system. Are you using that or lprng? Try installing lprng, that might work better (I can't use it because I'm printing to a clapped-out old HP to which lprng refuses to speak). - Daniel -- ** * Daniel Franklin - Postgraduate student in Electrical Engineering * University of Wollongong, NSW, Australia * [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: KDE & euro
It works now. Everything was ok, except the LANG variable in my .bashrc It was [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of LANG=fr_FR. It works : ¤¤¤ Thanks a lot
Re: Grokking KDE installation (Re: KDE directory layout)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ivan, On Thursday 08 November 2001 18:08, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > > > > I don't see why out of this box this wouldn't work. This should work > > since that is how a kde hacker does a local kde compilation for CVS HEAD > > beside his stable KDE installation. > > > > It *would* work, but you can't use either /opt or /usr/local as KDE > > installation dir because it would break fhs. > > and how will the end user swap back and forth? And how would a user have > a mixed installation? > > You haven't thought this out and I am now done trying to explain this to > you. > I have of course thought it out, I simply did not elaborate enough of that in that mail. The end user will normally _not_ swap back and forth. It's error prone.[*] My aim is to provide for existence of a kde-cvs-dev package that will enable installation of all (recent) development related packages while co-existing with a stable KDE installation as I have said. What I'm saying is strictly for developers who would like to develop for KDE. There are a good number of KDE hackers who are not following these mailing lists (and using Debian) I'm certain that they would find such support invaluable. However, I'd like to stress once again that my concern is development packages and not application packages. I believe that this environment exists not only for users but developers and the current set of packages will not be usable for developers because most developers will not want to leave the nice stable environment only to be able to write a tiny application. And as I have said using the CVS (or recent) versions while using a stable installation is the recommended procedure for hacking KDE. I hope I've made my point clear. In the current state very few people will make use of kde*cvs*dev packages. They'll have to compile from CVS themselves. But if we gave them some alpha release more people would be tempted to write an app or plugin for KDE3 which will be beneficial for free software in general. I kindly request you to give more thought to this issue. If any help is needed please tell me what is needed, what I can work on and I'll most certainly try to be of assistance. As I said any range of fixing is within my ability, and I'd certainly like to see this happen. If you'd like we can work on the alpha branch right now, and see what we can do. If it works that can be carried to HEAD. Thanks for your interest, [*] Here's what we can do for users: Applications will (or may) conflict. It's plausible as you have explained. I agree with that. Our aim should be to cause the minimal burden for users. However, if they want to try out an application or two, they ought to be able to run it. We can tell them to completely backup their .kde directory before doing so. Scenario: cp -a .kde .kde-backup apt-get install kmail-cvs apt-get install kmail That is, making most if not all _application_ packages mutually exclusive in their stable and cvs versions is sensible as you have said, but at least trying out stuff may be possible. And if they do an # apt-get install kde they should be able to get to a stable-only version. At any rate, the back-up thing is what they should be doing before trying out anything alpha and we should warn them about that issue. - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE76x4cfAeuFodNU5wRAsH2AKCLQ7R8PNvOEd3x96r++GVI+kfyWgCffNRK IuKiEZXsU8Llpk5L5O2prlA= =E7C7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
package update in woody gives kde errors
[...] Unpacking replacement kdelibs3 ... Replacing files in old package kdebase-libs ... Replacing files in old package konqueror ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/devices/3floppy_mount.png', which is also in package kdebase dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [...] Is this only a transition problem of incoming packages in the next hours or something else. I have noticed that several packages are now 2.2.x, but kdebase and others are still 2.1.x Wait until tomorrow and everything is fine? :-) Bye, Steffen --
Re: package update in woody gives kde errors
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:34:30AM +0100, Steffen Evers wrote: > [...] > Unpacking replacement kdelibs3 ... > Replacing files in old package kdebase-libs ... > Replacing files in old package konqueror ... > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb > (--unpack): > trying to overwrite > `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/devices/3floppy_mount.png', which is also in > package kdebase > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > [...] > > Is this only a transition problem of incoming packages in the next hours or > something else. > > I have noticed that several packages are now 2.2.x, but kdebase and others > are still 2.1.x > > Wait until tomorrow and everything is fine? :-) well..it depends on when kdebase makes it's way into testing. you can do a dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb and get past that. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
Re: package update in woody gives kde errors
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 18:40, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > > I have noticed that several packages are now 2.2.x, but kdebase and others > > are still 2.1.x > > > > Wait until tomorrow and everything is fine? :-) > > well..it depends on when kdebase makes it's way into testing. you can do > a dpkg --force-overwrite -i > /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb and get past that. Does this mixture of 2.1 and 2.2 not hurt? Wow, than you have really done a great job on all these dependencies. I thought it is simply forbidden to mix 2.1 and 2.2 and that's it, but it looks like that there is much more behind it ... So, it is sure that I will not end up with a broken KDE by installing (only) half of the 2.2 packages? Bye, Steffen
Re: package update in woody gives kde errors
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:54:45AM +0100, Steffen Evers wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 18:40, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > > > I have noticed that several packages are now 2.2.x, but kdebase and > > > others are still 2.1.x > > > > > > Wait until tomorrow and everything is fine? :-) > > > > well..it depends on when kdebase makes it's way into testing. you can do > > a dpkg --force-overwrite -i > > /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb and get past that. > > Does this mixture of 2.1 and 2.2 not hurt? Wow, than you have really > done a great job on all these dependencies. I thought it is simply > forbidden to mix 2.1 and 2.2 and that's it, but it looks like that there > is much more behind it ... > > So, it is sure that I will not end up with a broken KDE by > installing (only) half of the 2.2 packages? > I'm guessing there will be some (most likely many) problems with 2.1 + 2.2 mixtures...however such is the life of testing...no way around that. All I can say is for people to either live through it or wait. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
Re: package update in woody gives kde errors
I too have fallen for the 50% upgrade and conflicting packages trap - konqueror now fails with an error message /usr/lib/libkssl.so.2: undefined symbol: polish__7KDialog and then reports "cannot create dialog for text/html". Is there a safe way to downgrade back to the old kdelibs3 4:2.1.2-3? -Tony Hilliard
