potato updates
Ok...so I'm behind. :) due to limited bandwidth I've been putting off potato packages until the sid ones settled down. I know there is a security fix with kdelibs and I apologize for not being speedy on this however I also think that if it was that big of a risk the KDE folks wouldn't have put off releasing it for over a week. Either way I apologize. so...I need to spend some time with the potato packages as well. I want to make sure I avoid any more problems and get out a nice clean set of packages. I also have alot of cleanup to do as well. I hope to have updated packages by the end of the week for you all which will get the potato packages all up to date. (Ben, if you want, I can take care of koffice while I'm doing this..that way it's all built off the same libs and everything...) Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
Re: Sticky
> I use LICQ and while in BlackBox or other GUI's, I'm used to setting > the app > to STICKY so that it is in ALL of my desktops. But I can't seem to find out > how to do this in KDE2. Is there a way? Have I overlooked the simple stuff? right mouse click on titlebar -> To desktop -> All desktops Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
Re: windowmangaer selection & sound problem
> I am running debian-sparc-testing and have window maker installed as well > as kde. > > Prior to installing KDE I had WM running quite nicely with the sound > working via esd, the enlightenment sound deamon. After installing > KDE-potato I can't seem to get at WM anymore and the sound no longer works. > The kdm login screen just lists KDE, default, and failsafe as my session > options. > > If I try to start esd from a shell via su, I get: > /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get WM back without uninstalling > KDE? And how about the sound, any takers? this is on my TODO next. Currently there is no automatic way for kdm to know about wm's unless someone tells it about them. So by default it only lists kde2, default, and failsafe. default will always be the "Debian" default... ie x-window-manager or whatever you have setup. To add more wm's you have to either edit /etc/kde2/kdmrc yourself and add them or use the kdm configuration tool in the Control Center. I need to come up with a "proper" solution for this...and I've been putting it off for quite some time. Maybe I need to get the kdm maintainer to help with this... Idealy there needs to be a proper way for kdm to know about other wm's gdm does this by using /etc/gdm/Sessions/* ...a wm would drop it's session file in there and gdm would automatically pick it up... hmmm... Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
Re: Sticky
"Ivan E. Moore II" wrote: > right mouse click on titlebar -> To desktop -> All desktops Am I the only one experiencing funny behaviours of desktop properties? I have the "stuck" widget (litte pin) displayed wrong and problems with the keyboard focus while moving a window from one desktop to another. If no such bug has been submitted I can explain better :-) I'm using the latest potato packages. -- Alessio F. Bragadini[EMAIL PROTECTED] APL Financial Services http://village.albourne.com Nicosia, Cyprus phone: +357-2-755750 "It is more complicated than you think" -- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925
Re: KDE2 too simplified
Hi, I found from dselect that most of my kde packages are not installed. I got the message. kdebase-libs depends on libasound1 (>=0.5.5) libasound1 does not to appear to be available How to continue to get kde installed correctly? Arto
Re: windowmangaer selection & sound problem
> Idealy there needs to be a proper way for kdm to know about other
> wm's gdm does this by using /etc/gdm/Sessions/* ...a wm would
> drop it's session file in there and gdm would automatically pick it
> up...
>
to make this work in a sensible way, it needs to be part of the
debian policy. my idea (partly stolen from suse):
every windowmanager would add (and remove upon uninstall) itself
to the file /etc/X11/windowmanagers (or, if you like it more, put
a symlink to the executable in a windowmanagers directory). then
it would call update-windowmanagers, which would be a script provided
by the installed display manager (the dm's would have to conflict
with each other, but they already do it functionally anyway). for
kdm, this script could do something like that:
WMS=$(sed 's:/.*/::' < /etc/X11/windowmanagers | tr '\n' ',') #the file variant
#WMS=$(ls /etc/X11/windowmanagers | tr '\n' ',') #the directory variant
cd /etc/kde2 && sed "s/^SessionTypes=.*\$/SessionTypes=default,${WMS}failsave/"
kdmrc.new && mv kdmrc.new kdmrc
this does not require any additional magic in kdm and allows
distribution- and display-manager- specific solutions.
the file variant has the advantage, that one can spcify a
non-alphabetical order without doing additional voodoo. the directory
variant is simpler to edit, as one only needs to create and delete
files, but obviously the user has no control about the order, in which
the managers apprear in the login dialog - hmm ... who cares?
btw, gdm directly branches into the different session files. if you
look at these files, you'll notice, that they have a lot of code
duplication. i think, it's better to have a common Xsession and let it
finally execute the window manager/desktop environment (like xdm/kdm do).
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Re: windowmangaer selection & sound problem
> to make this work in a sensible way, it needs to be part of the
> debian policy. my idea (partly stolen from suse):
> every windowmanager would add (and remove upon uninstall) itself
> to the file /etc/X11/windowmanagers (or, if you like it more, put
> a symlink to the executable in a windowmanagers directory). then
> it would call update-windowmanagers, which would be a script provided
> by the installed display manager (the dm's would have to conflict
> with each other, but they already do it functionally anyway). for
> kdm, this script could do something like that:
dm's conflicting with each other is wrong and won't happen.
> WMS=$(sed 's:/.*/::' < /etc/X11/windowmanagers | tr '\n' ',') #the file
> variant
> #WMS=$(ls /etc/X11/windowmanagers | tr '\n' ',') #the directory variant
> cd /etc/kde2 && sed
> "s/^SessionTypes=.*\$/SessionTypes=default,${WMS}failsave/" kdmrc.new
> && mv kdmrc.new kdmrc
>
> this does not require any additional magic in kdm and allows
> distribution- and display-manager- specific solutions.
>
> the file variant has the advantage, that one can spcify a
> non-alphabetical order without doing additional voodoo. the directory
> variant is simpler to edit, as one only needs to create and delete
> files, but obviously the user has no control about the order, in which
> the managers apprear in the login dialog - hmm ... who cares?
>
>
> btw, gdm directly branches into the different session files. if you
> look at these files, you'll notice, that they have a lot of code
> duplication. i think, it's better to have a common Xsession and let it
> finally execute the window manager/desktop environment (like xdm/kdm do).
I agree with the gdm bit.
anyways... this idea is similar to what Branden had discussed with me some
months back using the same concept as the update-menus system.
Ivan
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Re: windowmangaer selection & sound problem
> dm's conflicting with each other is wrong and won't happen. > ok. that was just an idea. :) i also thought about having a central update-wms script, which does a run-parts on a directory containing dm-specific scripts (/etc/X11/displaymanagers?). > this idea is similar to what Branden had discussed with me some > months back using the same concept as the update-menus system. > well ... good ideas are pervasive. :) greetings -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool.
Re: Koffice bug - still open?
Rogerio Brito wrote: > > On May 01 2001, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > > A packaging problem. I did a `dpkg -i --force-overwrite > > /var/cache/apt/archives/k*20010404-0*.deb` to install all the KOffice > > packages. > > This is the Wrong Thing(tm) to do. Any kind of --force-* is > Nasty(tm) in a stable distribution (with development > distributions it is OK and, AFAIK, the default). > > Of course, in a hurry, it works. But it is wrong. Well, in this case (man page is packaged twice), the only thing that can go wrong is, that the man page is removed, when I e.g. remove kchart. Not exactly a Big Deal(tm). But I guess you're right, nonetheless. Ciao, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/
Re: Updates to kdelibs3 or Aha, I knew something was wrong!
> This memory leak also seems to have evidenced another memory > leak: it *seems* that Linux 2.4.4 also has a memory leak > (memory which was allocated on swap after the Konqueror thing > didn't get back even *after* I went to the console using > single user mode!). I'm fairly sure that this is a deliberate design decision in all the 2.4.x kernels. Once memory is swapped out, it is not removed from the swap, even if the page is swapped back in to physical RAM. Here's a discussion about it from on kernel traffic: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20010330_113.html#6
Re: kdm bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wednesday 02 May 2001 02:26, Jens Benecke wrote something to this effect: > On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 05:34:54PM +0200, Christian Jensen wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:40:53PM -0500, Stephen Boulet wrote: > > > > > Anyone else notice this? Text doesn't appear in the kdm fields when > > > > > you type just after your computer boots up, but only after "restart > > > > > X server" is choosen. > > > > > > I have this too. > > > I'm running Woody/NVidia/Xfree4.0.2. > > > --ernie > > > > I don't have that problem, > > Geforce 2MX Nvidia's drivers 0.9-769 Progeny or Potato X4.02 no > > antialiasing > > I don't have that problem, however the 0.9-769 drivers *do* have a serious > memory leak here. (2.2.18, x4.0.2, woody) > > That means effectively my X desktop cannot stay up for more than 2-3 days, > because X gradually gobbles up all available memory (the X process was > 450MB big just before I killed it last time) and then Linux starts > trashing. [...] I don't know if this will apply to anyone following this link, but here goes... Long ago (three years or more) I had xdm working on one of my machines which was "interesting". But as I was a console junkie at the time, I didn't care for it and removed it. Later I reinstalled and found that I too could not log in. It wasn't until this year (THIS month) that I discovered the problem that "I" was dueling with. As I said prior, I was a console junkie. Therefore, I wanted more vt's and more power. Therefore I extended my inittab to cover this. I use F1 - F11 for text vt's with F12 reserved for X11. Well, low-n-behold, while building a new box for a client it booted up with xdm just wonderfully. BUT when I loaded my editted /etc/inittab onto the machine I could no longer log in!! It seems that the dm's (all as far as I can tell) insist on living on F7. I commented out the line for F7, and magic again occurs on a regular basis!! Dunno, my $ 0.02 worth - Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: - - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 1CdF6VAno2jf1gPQ5jqmKRHMxDSO9rhd iQA/AwUBOvBWYghnWicv+0tKEQLRZwCg3YPl2ZWH0Dx4j0djhO7TV4buNlEAoKTd ojQSsZvRiav4UDhv71nxvpXX =JqQ7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: windowmangaer selection & sound problem
On Wednesday 02 May 2001 14:05, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > this is on my TODO next. Currently there is no automatic way for > kdm to know about wm's unless someone tells it about them. So by > default it only lists kde2, default, and failsafe. default will > always be the "Debian" default... ie x-window-manager or whatever > you have setup. To add more wm's you have to either edit > /etc/kde2/kdmrc yourself and add them or use the kdm configuration > tool in the Control Center. > > I need to come up with a "proper" solution for this...and I've been > putting it off for quite some time. Maybe I need to get the kdm > maintainer to help with this... Idealy there needs to be a proper > way for kdm to know about other wm's gdm does this by using > /etc/gdm/Sessions/* ...a wm would drop it's session file in there > and gdm would automatically pick it up... Stupid suggestion: why not just include, say, the top 5 or so wm's? Let's say the following: KDE, gnome-session, icewm, WindowMaker, blackbox. Install script could create prettier symlinks like "KDesktop, Gnome, IceWM, BlackBox". At the most, user would get frustrated that nothing happens when he picks a certain uninstalled wm. This, of course, won't work if the wm changes the name of its startup executable/script from release to release.
Re: Updates to kdelibs3 or Aha, I knew something was wrong!
On May 03 2001, Rob Weir wrote: > > This memory leak also seems to have evidenced another memory > > leak: it *seems* that Linux 2.4.4 also has a memory leak > > (memory which was allocated on swap after the Konqueror thing > > didn't get back even *after* I went to the console using > > single user mode!). > I'm fairly sure that this is a deliberate design decision in all the 2.4.x > kernels. Once memory is swapped out, it is not removed from the swap, even > if the page is swapped back in to physical RAM. > Here's a discussion about it from on kernel traffic: > http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20010330_113.html#6 I have not tested this extensively (I was so scared that I'm running the trusted and tried, good ole 2.2.19 right now, with some lovely patches), but I think that I'll retest it again (now, I'll have to find another application to stuff the memory) and report whatever I find (i.e., if memory can be reclaimed or not). Anyway, thanks for briging that to my attention. I stopped following lkml one or two months ago (I need to study much, much, much more if I ever want to grow up). :-) []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: windowmangaer selection & sound problem
On May 02 2001, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > > dm's conflicting with each other is wrong and won't happen. > > > ok. that was just an idea. :) > i also thought about having a central update-wms script, which does a > run-parts on a directory containing dm-specific scripts > (/etc/X11/displaymanagers?). I think that everybody knows this one already, but, if not, well, I hope more people find out about this. :-) There is something like this in Debian already. There is a lot of alternatives for window managers and the information about the ones installed in Debian can be obtained, for example, issuing the following command: update-alternatives --display x-window-manager If this output is too much complex to be parsed (and parsing should, of course, be reduced as much as it can in reliable software), then this information about window managers can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager. For learning more about alternatives, see the update-alternatives man page. I hope that people who are not familiar with it get a taste of this great thing for providing users with default choices for generic applications (like editors, pagers, window managers, compilers etc). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
