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http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-backup.html The above URL recommends "Legato Networker" and "HP Omniback". However Legato is no longer free for Linux, if you use the latest version then you apparently have to pay for client licenses for Linux. Also it would be better to use all free software. Is there any DFSG free software that can do what Legato does? If so what is it? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup
Hi! On Mon Dec 16, 2002 at 05:36:25PM +0100, the boisterous Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote to me: > Is there any DFSG free software that can do what Legato does? If so what is > it? I'm using Amanda as network backup solution and I like it very much. I don't know Legato. Why is it a good tool? so long Thomas -- ___Obviously we do not want to leave zombies around. _/___\ - W. Richard Stevens ( ^ > Thomas Krennwallner / \ 1024D/67A1DA7B 9484 D99D 2E1E 4E02 5446 DAD9 FF58 4E59 67A1 DA7B (__\/_)_ http://members.aon.at/krennwallner/ msg07579/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: backup
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 05:36:25PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote: > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-backup.html > The above URL recommends "Legato Networker" and "HP Omniback". However Legato > is no longer free for Linux, if you use the latest version then you > apparently have to pay for client licenses for Linux. > > Also it would be better to use all free software. > > Is there any DFSG free software that can do what Legato does? If so what is > it? It seems that "amanda" is what you are looking for. -- Erik Wenzel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup
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> I'm using Amanda as network backup solution and I like it very much.
amanda is ok, but making it work trough firewalls is p.i.t.a. :-/
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Re: backup
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:57, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: > On Mon Dec 16, 2002 at 05:36:25PM +0100, the boisterous > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote to me: > > Is there any DFSG free software that can do what Legato does? If so what > > is it? > > I'm using Amanda as network backup solution and I like it very much. > I don't know Legato. Why is it a good tool? Legato works. It basically does the job and the people who use it don't seem to report any problems with it. I don't know of any reason why Legato would be any better than other similar products. Amanda sounds promising (everyone is recommending it). I've asked a colleague who's into backups (and who has been using Legato for years) to investigate Amanda and write a report comparing them. We should probably get the Debian web page changed. A commercial program has to be a LOT better than DFSG free programs to deserve a mention on our web pages IMHO. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backup
> Amanda sounds promising (everyone is recommending it). I'm afraid the reason everyone is recommending Amanda is because that's all there is. We used to use Amanda before we got a tape library and began backing up all our servers into the library. We have a heterogenous network (Linux, Win2000 with Exchange, Oracle). My experience with Amanda is that it works pretty well if you are doing Unix clients only, but doing a heterogenous network requires lots of scripting. Plus Amanda doesn't drive tape changers/libraries out of the box. It needs some scripting to do that as well. I recall that Arkeia does offer some free versions of it's software, it's now called Arkeia Light, and some information on it is here: -- C. R. Oldham Director of Technology NCA CASI I've > asked a colleague > who's into backups (and who has been using Legato for years) > to investigate > Amanda and write a report comparing them. > > We should probably get the Debian web page changed. A > commercial program has > to be a LOT better than DFSG free programs to deserve a > mention on our web > pages IMHO. > > -- > http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced > Linux packages > http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark > http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark > http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backup
Apologies, I somehow punched "send" before I was done with my previous post. > Amanda sounds promising (everyone is recommending it). I'm afraid the reason everyone is recommending Amanda is because that's all there is. We used to use Amanda before we got a tape library and began backing up all our servers into the library. We have a heterogenous network (Linux, Win2000 with Exchange, Oracle). My experience with Amanda is that it works pretty well if you are doing Unix clients only, but doing a heterogenous network requires lots of scripting. Plus Amanda doesn't drive tape changers/libraries out of the box. It needs some scripting to do that as well. I recall that Arkeia does offer some free versions of its software, it's now called Arkeia Light, and some information on it is here: http://www.arkeia.com/arkeialight.html -- C. R. Oldham Director of Technology NCA CASI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:36, C. R. Oldham wrote: > We used to use Amanda before we got a tape library and began backing up > all our servers into the library. We have a heterogenous network > (Linux, Win2000 with Exchange, Oracle). My experience with Amanda is > that it works pretty well if you > are doing Unix clients only, but doing a heterogenous network requires > lots of scripting. Plus Amanda doesn't drive tape changers/libraries > out of the box. It needs some scripting to do that as well. I'm only interested in backing up Linux and Solaris servers (and Solaris is optional) so lack of cross platform support is not a problem. How difficult is the scripting to change tapes? What exactly needs to be done? Does anyone have some sample scripts? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 19:50, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:36, C. R. Oldham wrote: > > We used to use Amanda before we got a tape library and began backing up > > all our servers into the library. We have a heterogenous network > > (Linux, Win2000 with Exchange, Oracle). My experience with Amanda is > > that it works pretty well if you > > are doing Unix clients only, but doing a heterogenous network requires > > lots of scripting. Plus Amanda doesn't drive tape changers/libraries > > out of the box. It needs some scripting to do that as well. > > I'm only interested in backing up Linux and Solaris servers (and Solaris is > optional) so lack of cross platform support is not a problem. This is no problem with Amanda. As was said, Amanda does not support Windows directly and uses smbclient via a gateway to do Windows backups and that's why our only Windows server has its own tapedrive. The only scripting I did was a wrapper that dumps the mysql databases and creates the LVM snapshots that will be backed up and ejects the tape when the backup was succesful (this way the human tape robot knows the backup was ok and next day's tape should be inserted). > How difficult is the scripting to change tapes? What exactly needs to be > done? Although I've never used a tapechanger myself, I think the only difficulty is that there are many types of tapechanges that are supported by Amanda and you'll need to find out which script you need for your changer. I haven't been on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a few years, but it is an excelent mailinglist. Amanda is great, but there are a few things it can't do: - append to tapes (it is a good thing that Amanda can't do this...) - spread a partition over multiple tapes. Another 'strange' behaviour of Amanda is that it does not do 'daily' and 'weekly' backups, it just spreads out all backups over its backup cycle and optimizes the tape usage. This gives better results than doing daily incrementals etc. but might be a hard thing to explain to your boss when he wants to do a full backup each friday. > Does anyone have some sample scripts? /usr/share/doc/amanda-common/docs/TAPE.CHANGERS.gz If you don't have amanda-common installed, or don't have the amanda source local, then you could use google to find a version, like on http://www.clug.in-chemnitz.de/vortraege/amanda/docs/TAPE.CHANGERS or somewhere else. -- Tot ziens, Bart-Jan Vrielink -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup
On Mon Dec 16, 2002 at 07:50:01PM +0100, the boisterous Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote to me: > I'm only interested in backing up Linux and Solaris servers (and Solaris is > optional) so lack of cross platform support is not a problem. > > How difficult is the scripting to change tapes? What exactly needs to be > done? > > Does anyone have some sample scripts? Maybe there's something on http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html or http://www.amanda.org/ Also have a look into apt-cache show mtx, /usr/share/amanda-common/examples/* and /usr/share/doc/amanda-common/docs/* so long Thomas -- ___Obviously we do not want to leave zombies around. _/___\ - W. Richard Stevens ( ^ > Thomas Krennwallner / \ 1024D/67A1DA7B 9484 D99D 2E1E 4E02 5446 DAD9 FF58 4E59 67A1 DA7B (__\/_)_ http://members.aon.at/krennwallner/ msg07587/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
cybercafe management software
Hi all, don't know if this is the right list for such problems, but after all a cybercafe is also an isp, so here it is: I'm in search of a management software for a cybercafe. The firewall will be debian, the stations will multiboot win/lin. I'd like to be able to manage who can login on which machine, until when, and if internet connectivity is granted. So clients pay, then they are given a machine number and a username/password pair which is valid on that machine until the time expires. Idem for internet connectivity for that machine. Client <-> machine mapping is a plus but not a requirement (but I think it's easier to tell which machine can connect through the fw than which client). The most basic setup would be management of the firewall rules in a clean interface, time management being done by hand. The system has to be usable by a complete non techie, so no way to do it with a real firewall management program. Well, I think you get the idea of what I'd like. It does not have to be a complete killer solution (although that would be best :-), but it has to tackle the job and be simple to use. Does it exist in the free world? Note that if it exists but not in debian, I would be willing to package it. Thanks, -- Rémi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cybercafe management software
Remi, You may want to check out the LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project - www.ltsp.org) mailing list. There has been several threads about public kiosks. Pete -- http://www.elbnet.com ELB Internet Service, Inc. Web Design, Computer Consulting, Internet Hosting Rémi Letot wrote: > > Hi all, > > don't know if this is the right list for such problems, but after all > a cybercafe is also an isp, so here it is: > > I'm in search of a management software for a cybercafe. The firewall > will be debian, the stations will multiboot win/lin. > > I'd like to be able to manage who can login on which machine, until > when, and if internet connectivity is granted. So clients pay, then > they are given a machine number and a username/password pair which is > valid on that machine until the time expires. Idem for internet > connectivity for that machine. > > Client <-> machine mapping is a plus but not a requirement (but I > think it's easier to tell which machine can connect through the fw > than which client). > > The most basic setup would be management of the firewall rules in a > clean interface, time management being done by hand. The system has to > be usable by a complete non techie, so no way to do it with a real > firewall management program. > > Well, I think you get the idea of what I'd like. It does not have to > be a complete killer solution (although that would be best :-), but it > has to tackle the job and be simple to use. > > Does it exist in the free world? Note that if it exists but not in > debian, I would be willing to package it. > > Thanks, > -- > Rémi > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup
On December 16, 2002 11:57 am, the fabulous Thomas Krennwallner wrote: > wrote to me: > > Is there any DFSG free software that can do what Legato does? If so what > > is it? > > I'm using Amanda as network backup solution and I like it very much. I also use amanda in several network installations and it works quite well. Some of it's shortcomings have already been pointed out. afbackup is one solution that I've been interested in trying it but haven't thus far, it's features are similar to amanda I would say ... anyone here tried it? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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