Re: Install extra-xdg-menus by default for desktop profiles?

[L. Redrejo]

El vie, 11-07-2008 a las 12:44 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen escribió:
> [José L. Redrejo Rodríguez]
> > Did you try installing education-menus?
> 
> It is already installed, it seemed.  How can I verify that it is
> activated?  I log in as user root.

you have to belong to students or teachers group. If not, a fast hack to
work as root is removing the checking
at /etc/destkop-profiles/debian-edu-menu.listing to make it work. Don't
forget to execute /usr/bin/update-profile-cache before login to force
desktop-profiles update it.


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Re: Educational Desktop Design: e.g. Linpus

[Holger Levsen]

Hi,

On Friday 11 July 2008 12:53, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
> Obviously, I'd like to get more feedback about this, because I'm
> planning to spend some time this summer working on new ideas for the
> desktop.

I'm looking forward to see your ideas implemented.

:)


regards,
Holger


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Re: Install extra-xdg-menus by default for desktop profiles?

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[José L. Redrejo Rodríguez]
> you have to belong to students or teachers group. If not, a fast
> hack to work as root is removing the checking at
> /etc/destkop-profiles/debian-edu-menu.listing to make it work. Don't
> forget to execute /usr/bin/update-profile-cache before login to
> force desktop-profiles update it.

Ah, right.  Added root as a member to students, and got the new menu.
The "lost and found" entries are gone now.  Got the 'educational' menu
up, and it look god.  It is missing translations to norwegian bokmål,
though.  That is an issue we need to address.

Perhaps we should have a way to activate it by default for all users
on a host, by adding the host into a netgroup?  I suspect it is a good
idea for larger installations.

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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Or members of group cdd (at least if I not set permissions wrong).


cdd group is readonly ;-)


Ahh, my fault - this was not intended.  But if you change this please
drop me at least a note to let me propagate your change to SVN - there
is no guarantee that I might mistakenly override your changes by current
content of SVN ...


As you can read on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu

DebianEdu is a Debian project to make the best distribution for
educational purposes.

Skolelinux is the name of a CustomDebianDistribution which is produced
by the DebianEdu project.

So if my understanding of the two sentences above is correct, the
skolelinux logo should be the right one here.


It seems like nitpicking - but we oftenly stumbled upon this case
so I at least want to make you aware that you are linking to another
page that has a contradictory definition:

   http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian

says:

  Custom Debian Distribution (CDD): a _SUBSET_ of Debian that is configured
  to support a particular target group out-of-the-box.

SkoleLinux is not (yet) a subset of Debian and thus there are conflicting
opinions on this.  I personally have a quite pragmatic point of view and
just would like to support what finally helps users.  The point is that
the term Custom Debian Distribution is missunderstood to estimated 80%
because it is siumply misnamed and does not express what it really is -
just 100% included in Debian.  To avoid further watering down this term
I try to feature this careful kind of pickyness and would like to see a
*real* decision instead of just having you or me just putting our
favourite image on top of the page.

Kind regards

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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 01:20:08PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> SkoleLinux is not (yet) a subset of Debian and thus there are 
> conflicting opinions on this.  I personally have a quite pragmatic 
> point of view and just would like to support what finally helps users.

What users?

Here are some possible answers:

  1) Users of computers (like Linux and Windows)
  2) Users of Linux distros (like Debian, Skolelinux and Ubuntu)
  3) Users of the Debian distro (maybe mixed with outside stuff)
  4) Users of only the Debian distro (maybe through CDDs)


I guess you can be _either_ pragmatic and choose 3) _or_ pedantic and 
choose 4) but not both.  Doing both doesn't make sense to me, but please 
educate me.


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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[juergen . leibner]

Am Freitag, 11. Juli 2008 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Or members of group cdd (at least if I not set permissions wrong).
> >
> > cdd group is readonly ;-)
>
> Ahh, my fault - this was not intended.  But if you change this please
> drop me at least a note to let me propagate your change to SVN -
> there is no guarantee that I might mistakenly override your changes
> by current content of SVN ...

In any way, I can not change anything there.

>
> > As you can read on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu
> >
> > DebianEdu is a Debian project to make the best distribution for
> > educational purposes.
> >
> > Skolelinux is the name of a CustomDebianDistribution which is
> > produced by the DebianEdu project.
> >
> > So if my understanding of the two sentences above is correct, the
> > skolelinux logo should be the right one here.
>
> It seems like nitpicking - but we oftenly stumbled upon this case
> so I at least want to make you aware that you are linking to another
> page that has a contradictory definition:
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian
>
> says:
>
>Custom Debian Distribution (CDD): a _SUBSET_ of Debian that is
> configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box.
>
> SkoleLinux is not (yet) a subset of Debian and thus there are
> conflicting opinions on this.  I personally have a quite pragmatic
> point of view and just would like to support what finally helps
> users.  The point is that the term Custom Debian Distribution is
> missunderstood to estimated 80% because it is siumply misnamed and
> does not express what it really is - just 100% included in Debian. 
> To avoid further watering down this term I try to feature this
> careful kind of pickyness and would like to see a *real* decision
> instead of just having you or me just putting our favourite image on
> top of the page.

I do not want to discuss this question of live here.
I thought there was a mistake / failure in your confs and wanted 
silently correct that. But I failed doing it because of having no 
rights to do so.

So, if there should be a picture / logo or whatever graphical stuff on 
that page configured in that config file, it has to be a valid url so 
that it can show up. 

Thats my conclusion of this thread, hopefully ending up here now, as you 
are right saying that it's like nitpicking. ;-)

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Re: Educational Desktop Design: e.g. Linpus

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:58:22PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Friday 11 July 2008 12:53, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
>> Obviously, I'd like to get more feedback about this, because I'm
>> planning to spend some time this summer working on new ideas for the
>> desktop.
>
>I'm looking forward to see your ideas implemented.

I am looking forward to hear/read about your ideas even as vague drafts!

:-)


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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In any way, I can not change anything there.


Sure - because you were no member of cdd group before.  Now you are ...


I do not want to discuss this question of live here.


Well, it is not really a question of life ... ;-)


I thought there was a mistake / failure in your confs and wanted


Yes, it was.


silently correct that. But I failed doing it because of having no
rights to do so.


Which was correct as well - only members of cdd group should be allowed.
I added you to this group in case you might detect other problems ...


So, if there should be a picture / logo or whatever graphical stuff on
that page configured in that config file, it has to be a valid url so
that it can show up.


Yep.  But even if the URL was technically broken before - the slx-tux.png
image was intended as a placeholder for a better image.  So it is not that
bad that you raised your opinion.

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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:


What users?

Here are some possible answers:

 1) Users of computers (like Linux and Windows)
 2) Users of Linux distros (like Debian, Skolelinux and Ubuntu)
 3) Users of the Debian distro (maybe mixed with outside stuff)
 4) Users of only the Debian distro (maybe through CDDs)


  5) Visitors of the web site

I was refering to 5) in the sense that a visitor of a page that
was a result of my code is a "user".

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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 02:27:56PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
>> What users?
>>
>> Here are some possible answers:
>>
>>  1) Users of computers (like Linux and Windows)
>>  2) Users of Linux distros (like Debian, Skolelinux and Ubuntu)
>>  3) Users of the Debian distro (maybe mixed with outside stuff)
>>  4) Users of only the Debian distro (maybe through CDDs)
>
>   5) Visitors of the web site

or to fit above style:

 5) Users of web browsers (like computer users and robots)


> I was refering to 5) in the sense that a visitor of a page that
> was a result of my code is a "user".

Huh?

You wrote:

> SkoleLinux is not (yet) a subset of Debian and thus there are 
> conflicting opinions on this.  I personally have a quite pragmatic 
> point of view and just would like to support what finally helps users.

So you think there is a conflict between Debian and Skolelinux, but your 
focus is none of those but anyone visiting the web site?


Thanks for clarifying.  Unfortunately it did not enlighten me much.  
Might just be me :-/


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Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Andreas Tille]

[Just switched subject because it was drifted away from the original topic.
 The question is, what would be a proper Logo for Debian Edu.]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:


  5) Visitors of the web site


or to fit above style:

5) Users of web browsers (like computer users and robots)


... which actually visit this web page.


SkoleLinux is not (yet) a subset of Debian and thus there are
conflicting opinions on this.  I personally have a quite pragmatic
point of view and just would like to support what finally helps users.


So you think there is a conflict between Debian and Skolelinux, but your
focus is none of those but anyone visiting the web site?


No, I do absolutely not think that there is a conflict between
Debian and Skolelinux.  Rather the contrary because the Skolelinux
have understood that it makes no sense to fork Debian and try to
integrate but did not really finished this process.  I just wrote
that the definitions stated on the two wiki pages are conflicting
that means at least one of this pages has to be fixed - IMHO the
DebianEdu page.

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Re: Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 04:19:09PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>>> SkoleLinux is not (yet) a subset of Debian and thus there are 
>>> conflicting opinions on this.  I personally have a quite pragmatic 
>>> point of view and just would like to support what finally helps 
>>> users.
>>
>> So you think there is a conflict between Debian and Skolelinux, but 
>> your focus is none of those but anyone visiting the web site?
>
> No, I do absolutely not think that there is a conflict between
> Debian and Skolelinux.

Whoops. Right.

Sorry for twisting way beyond sanity.  That was not intentional, I was 
simply too quick on my keyboard.

I agree that the conflict you refer to is on multiple definitions on 
some web pages.


> I just wrote that the definitions stated on the two wiki pages are 
> conflicting that means at least one of this pages has to be fixed - 
> IMHO the DebianEdu page.

Do you agree that the conflict is on the definition of CDD (your subject 
could lead to believe that it was the definition of Skolelinux vs. 
DebianEdu)?



Do I understand you correctly that you do not care much for that 
conflict, as long as the web page is helpful to its visitors?

Or how else should top quote of this email be interpreted?


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Re: Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Andreas,

On Friday 11 July 2008 16:19, Andreas Tille wrote:
> I just wrote
> that the definitions stated on the two wiki pages are conflicting
> that means at least one of this pages has to be fixed - IMHO the
> DebianEdu page.

What wording would you propose?


regards,
Holger


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Re: automount share not works

[Claudio Carboncini]

Works great! :-)
Thank you for your most valuable piece of help
claudio

2008/7/10 Finn-Arne Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Claudio Carboncini skrev:
> >
> >
> > 2008/7/8 Finn-Arne Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> >
> > Did you remember to restart nfs as well, either by using
> >  sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload
> >
> > or by using exportfs directly
> >  sudo exportfs -r
> >
> > Done!
> >
> >
> > It wont appear before you try to go there. It's like walking through
> a
> > wall without a door. It works, but until anyone has gone there, you
> wont
> > see the door. AS long as a user on the machine you are working on has
> > used the share the last minute or so, you will see the share.
> >
> > Excuse for my candor &or my ignoranance
> > how does a linux user go to a directory if this is not seen?
>
> On the command-line:
>  cd /skole/tjener/public
> in a gui:
>  go to /skole/tjener using the gui, then manually add /public at the end
> to the path.
>
> or create a symbolic link on the desktop:
>  ln -s /skole/tjener/public ~/Desktop/public
>
> Dont shoot me, I'm just the messenger
>
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Re: Educational Desktop Design: e.g. Linpus

[RalfGesellensetter]

Am Freitag 11 Juli 2008 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
> I am looking forward to hear/read about your ideas even as vague
> drafts!

Hi Jonas,

BTW: does goPlay imply the option to launch installed apps? 
This could be a real option for beginners...

@José:
Thanks for your promising statements ;)

Kind regards
Ralf


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Re: Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:


Do you agree that the conflict is on the definition of CDD (your subject
could lead to believe that it was the definition of Skolelinux vs.
DebianEdu)?


Yes.  In my eyes Debian Edu is the Debian internal part (and as such
can be called CDD) and SkoleLinux took over the great work to add what
is missing to turn it into a product that has proven very useful in
schools.  The final goal to include everything is not reached (yet) but
I just regard them as "close enough friends" to not disturb outsiders
with these nitpicking issues.


Do I understand you correctly that you do not care much for that
conflict, as long as the web page is helpful to its visitors?


Yes.  The visitor should get the information that there is a huge
bunch of educational software inside Debian which is properly sorted
into categories.  The optimal situation would be if all descriptions
are translated.  If the visitor just has understand this and is convinced
that Debian provides helpful stuff for his school we might come to
the nitpicking later ...


Or how else should top quote of this email be interpreted?


Yes.

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Re: Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Holger Levsen wrote:


What wording would you propose?


   Debian Edu
 Debian internal project (so called CustomDebianDistribution)
 with the goal to make the best distribution for educational purposes.

   SkoleLinux
 SkoleLinux was formerly a Debian derivative but joined forces with
 Debian Edu and is in process of integrating 100% into Debian
 (CDD in development).  When this process started SkoleLinux people
 did a main part of the famous Debian Installer and other stuff
 which made Debian much more flexible which shows how much parties
 could profit from each other.  It is planed that in Lenny+1 will
 SkoleLinux will be 100% and thus becoming identical with Debian Edu.

At least this is _my_ perception of this issue.

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Enable education-menus for all users on a host?

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

Would it be useful to activate the cleaned up menus in education-menus
for all users on a host by adding the host in some host netgroup?

I suspect so, and propose a group named for example
education-menus-hosts is used for this.  The implementation would be
something like this:

Index: debian/changelog
===
--- debian/changelog(revision 42493)
+++ debian/changelog(working copy)
@@ -36,6 +36,8 @@
   * Updated cdd-dev build dependency to >= 0.5.5, to get a version with
 support for the Enhances and Metapackage headers.
   * New task lang-nb-desktop enhancing desktop-other
+  * Make it possible to activate the education-menus for all users on a
+host by listing the host as member of the education-menus-hosts netgroup.

   [José L. Redrejo Rodríguez]
   * misc task:
Index: debian-edu-menus.listing
===
--- debian-edu-menus.listing(revision 42493)
+++ debian-edu-menus.listing(working copy)
@@ -1,3 +1,2 @@
 # Menu reordering for teachers and students
-edu-menus;XDG_CONFIG;/usr/share/debian-edu/menu;;$(id -Gn|egrep -qw 
'teachers|students');Menu reordering
-
+edu-menus;XDG_CONFIG;/usr/share/debian-edu/menu;;$(id -Gn|egrep -qw 
'teachers|students' || innetgr -h "$(uname -n)" education-menus-hosts);Menu 
reordering

The patch is completely untested.

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Re: Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Andreas Tille]
> At least this is _my_ perception of this issue.

I see that this perception has spread, but I am not convinced it make
any sense.  Debian Edu was a project originating in France to create a
Debian based distro for schools, and Skolelinux was a similar project
originating in Norway with the same goal.  The two projects merged,
and can now be considered two names for the same project. :)

To me, both names represent the same, and any can be used where the
other would fit.

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Re: Logo for tasks page (Was: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs)

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:04:56AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>[Andreas Tille]
>> At least this is _my_ perception of this issue.
>
>I see that this perception has spread, but I am not convinced it make
>any sense.  Debian Edu was a project originating in France to create a
>Debian based distro for schools, and Skolelinux was a similar project
>originating in Norway with the same goal.  The two projects merged,
>and can now be considered two names for the same project. :)
>
>To me, both names represent the same, and any can be used where the
>other would fit.

Thanks for the clarification, Petter :-)

So Debian Edu / Skolelinux both is _both_ a CDD _and_ a CDD in 
development (as defined by http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustom).


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Re: Educational Desktop Design: e.g. Linpus

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:32:33PM +0200, RalfGesellensetter wrote:
>BTW: does goPlay imply the option to launch installed apps? 
>This could be a real option for beginners...

Sorry, I don't understand above sentence - could you please rephrase?


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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[juergen . leibner]

Am Freitag, 11. Juli 2008 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I noticed that the url in the conf file isn't correct, but could
> > not edit it by myself as you can see below.
>
> Do you want access to the SVN?

What SVN?
I have already access to alioth.debian.org.
But that config files can only be changed by a guy called tille ;-)

>
> > The entry should be for example:
> > LogoUrl: http://skolelinux.org/gfx/logo_skole.gif
> > (maybe one knows a better url and tells us)
>
> Well, the entry is in fact wrong and should have been
>
>   http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/edu/img/slx-tux.png
>
> ('img' was missing).  This is a different image and it might be
> reasonable that you all agree on one image first. 

Who decided to choose the skole tux image?
I would like to see a right logo there and not a tux. ;-)

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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What SVN?


Off cdd project.


I have already access to alioth.debian.org.
But that config files can only be changed by a guy called tille ;-)


Or members of group cdd (at least if I not set permissions wrong).
All the config files are at

svn://svn.debian.org/cdd/cdd/trunk/webtools/webconf

even if there is no automatic process to copy this to the location
where the executable code is situated

/srv/alioth.debian.org/chroot/home/groups/cdd/webtools

this is one of the next steps to do.  So joining the cdd group
is usefull to access both.


Who decided to choose the skole tux image?


Well, there was no such thing like a 'decision'.  I just putted
something there which I felt apropriate.


I would like to see a right logo there and not a tux. ;-)


Yes, and I wonder whether a SkoleLinux logo is really "the" right
logo.  I feel not passionate about this but the pages show the part
of Debian internal packages and is perhaps lacking some stuff
SkoleLinux is adding.  So it is actually not a real SkoleLinux
page ithat's why I wonder whether not mentioning Debian-Edu in the logo
is apropriate.  That's why I would like to suggest to discuss
the issue (and as I said we have some time to do so until the
page gets update the next time).

Kind regards

 Andreas.

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Re: Install extra-xdg-menus by default for desktop profiles?

[L. Redrejo]

El mié, 09-07-2008 a las 14:32 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen escribió:
> Hi.  In BTS report #489247 I reported a KDE menu entry in 'lost and
> found', and was told that a solution might be to install
> extra-xdg-menus.  It will add a 'Hamradio' and 'Electronics' menu
> section to the KDE menu.  Is this a good idea to do by default?  I do
> not know much about the menu system, but would like the Lenny version
> to have a nice menu. :)
> 
> After adding the package, there are still two menu entries in the
> 'lost and found' submenu, noteedit and tuxpaint. :(
> 

Did you try installing education-menus?



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Re: Install extra-xdg-menus by default for desktop profiles?

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[José L. Redrejo Rodríguez]
> Did you try installing education-menus?

It is already installed, it seemed.  How can I verify that it is
activated?  I log in as user root.

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today, 16 UTC / 18 CEST (Re: IRC meeting 2008-07-11 on #debian-edu (irc.debian.org)

[Holger Levsen]

Hi,

the irc meeting will be today, at 16 UTC / 18 CEST on #debian-edu on OFTC and 
shall complete in an hour.

The current agenda (is too long and) located at 
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

It reads:

Who writes the summary? 

bugs we care about in etch 
 how to help with newest hardware that our etch cd doesn't care about, i.e. 
3w-9xxx pci-id 13c1:1004 (jever) 

lenny 
 cd building 
 progress on bug #311188 
 ldapify services? 
 XO & XS hidden profiles 
 desktop hidden question (multi-select, defaults to kde, other options: gnome, 
xfce, sugar) 

www.skolelinux.org 
 see also ToDo-list 
 organizing a wiki cleanup session 
 to remove/mark old pages 
 to cleanup the structure 
 move the cipux pages away 

cdd-dev rewrite to cope with different arch meta packages (I need input for 
the tags used in the tasks files, please see this posting for the tags that 
remain unclear) 

any other business 
 please create an english version of 
http://wiki.skolelinux.no/Bidra/kbabel-oppsett 

Next meeting?


regards,
Holger


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Re: Educational Desktop Design: e.g. Linpus

[L. Redrejo]

El jue, 10-07-2008 a las 20:39 +0200, RalfGesellensetter escribió:
> Hi there,
> 
> when looking for minimal desktops that are appropriate for primary 
> schools, Linpus seems to be just another approach that could teach us 
> some things:
> 
> http://www.linpus.com/xampp/webmaster/Products/Linux9.4Lite.htm
> 
> There is also a live CD, but originaly the system aims at small systems 
> like classmate or eeepc, I think. 
> 
> In this area, sugar might be more interesting - but it's always good to 
> look beyond one's own nose.
> 

I'm not totally with you on this: sugar is good for primary schools, but
it's too childish for secondary schools. OTOH sugar is good when you
have a not too big number of users concurrently. Imagine my secondary
schools with 400 or 600 computers on, trying to show in the screen the
buddies of all the users.

I do think we must re-think the educational desktop. Current desktop is
totally office-oriented. In my experience, I've seen teachers that after
four years of "using" the computers have never seen most of the things
contained in the menus.They only click on the apps or icons that are one
click (or two, no more) away. The menu branch that opens from the lower
(or upper pannel) and has a lot of branches is ok for people used to
computers and other non-free systems, they are used to menus with
several levels of submenus. For newcomers, they just ignore most of that
stuff. I've used linpus on an Acer One and I like it, also the Desktop
we did for primary schools was pretty succesful because ther was some
animated bars with the main apps one click away. I do think that if we
use the computers to teach computing, current desktop is ok, but if we
use computers for the students to learn everything, current desktop is
not the best option.
Obviously, I'd like to get more feedback about this, because I'm
planning to spend some time this summer working on new ideas for the
desktop.

Regards.



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Re: [Announce] New tasks web Bpages for all CDDs

[juergen . leibner]

Am Freitag, 11. Juli 2008 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > What SVN?
>
> Off cdd project.
>
> > I have already access to alioth.debian.org.
> > But that config files can only be changed by a guy called tille ;-)
>
> Or members of group cdd (at least if I not set permissions wrong).

cdd group is readonly ;-)

> All the config files are at
>
>  svn://svn.debian.org/cdd/cdd/trunk/webtools/webconf
>
> even if there is no automatic process to copy this to the location
> where the executable code is situated
>
>  /srv/alioth.debian.org/chroot/home/groups/cdd/webtools
>
> this is one of the next steps to do.  So joining the cdd group
> is usefull to access both.
>
> > Who decided to choose the skole tux image?
>
> Well, there was no such thing like a 'decision'.  I just putted
> something there which I felt apropriate.
>
> > I would like to see a right logo there and not a tux. ;-)
>
> Yes, and I wonder whether a SkoleLinux logo is really "the" right
> logo.  I feel not passionate about this but the pages show the part
> of Debian internal packages and is perhaps lacking some stuff
> SkoleLinux is adding.  So it is actually not a real SkoleLinux
> page ithat's why I wonder whether not mentioning Debian-Edu in the
> logo is apropriate.  That's why I would like to suggest to discuss
> the issue (and as I said we have some time to do so until the page
> gets update the next time).

As you can read on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu

DebianEdu is a Debian project to make the best distribution for 
educational purposes. 

Skolelinux is the name of a CustomDebianDistribution which is produced 
by the DebianEdu project.

So if my understanding of the two sentences above is correct, the 
skolelinux logo should be the right one here.

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