What exactly replaced base-config

2009-06-29 Thread mli...@stacktrace.us

So what exactly replaced base-config

base-config provided a set of useful utilities that could be run AFTER Debian 
was installed to quickly fix certain aspect of a Debian system or to do quick 
chrooted post install tasks.


I've been told by some that it had become "replaced by the Debian installer", 
but in some regard it has been nothing but a huge step back.


1) It provided a much more user friendly way to recover a badly hosed Debian 
system.
2) It was an excellent tool to run post install tasks after you debootstrapped 
a linux install to a chroot.

Especially for argument 2, I'm expecting someone to say "just do it by hand", but as of now I don't see any way to run the installer udebs in the bootstrapped chroot, or another 
method to run post install options "the right way(tm)".



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Re: The future of the boot system in Debian

2009-09-05 Thread mli...@stacktrace.us

Could someone please point me to a discussion on the pros and cons of upstart 
that was not funded by that spacecowboy shuttleworth?

Michael Biebl wrote:

Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:

The future of the boot system in Debian
===


[..]


The planned time frame for this is to replace /sbin/init with upstart
for Squeeze, and see if we manage to change the very early boot to


[..]


Petter Reinholdtsen, Kel Modderman, Armin Berres


Due to an oversight from my side, I missed to sign this announcement.

As maintainer of upstart I obviously was involved in the discussion and planning
and I support this plan.

Regards,
Michael





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Re: /var/www is depracated, which directory to use?

2009-09-29 Thread mli...@stacktrace.us

Russ Allbery wrote:

Steve McIntyre  writes:


I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in
Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial
installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services
unconfigured. I don't think this is progress for most of our users...


I don't think /srv is the answer to any question about "where do Debian
packages put data in their default configuration."  /srv is really
intended to be a place where the local system administrator organizes
their service data, which means we need to let them choose to organize it
however they wish.

I think the real problem here is that we have some missing integration
glue.  A lot of packages want to serve things out via the web by default
unless the sysadmin has indicated that they want control over the URL
space.  Apache sort of provides a way to do that, but it isn't very good.
Other web servers in Debian so far as I know don't at all.  And there
isn't a common interface supported by all of them.

I think we need to put together a standard definition of how a Debian
package can specify "please serve out this data and this CGI script at
these URLs unless the sysadmin has said to leave the web configuration
alone," using a standard API implemented by all web servers in Debian.  I
suspect that will get everyone what they want.



I agree on this one.

I personally prefer to keep files served by a webserver in /var/www/


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Why does mysql-server depend on exim?

2009-06-26 Thread mli...@stacktrace.us

I just bootstrapped a fresh vm for some sandbox testing and came across the 
following issue.

While installing mysql-server I noticed the following dependencies:

"bsd-mailx exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light"

Although it's not that big of a deal, it does raise the question "Why should a 
database server require a MTA?"


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