Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum 
On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
> allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
> useful for testing (e.g. someone wrote on debian-release that he doesn't have
> access to oldstable/stable systems, with prepared virtualisation
> images that would no longer be an issue). For many setups this could even
> replace the installer since software selection and hostname can easily
> be tweaked post-install.
> 
> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
> 
> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>   included since Squeeze.
> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>   proprietary
> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
> - Qemu
> - Citrix XenServer?

- images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)

L.


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin 
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:46:47PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Anyway, qemu-img can convert a raw disk image
> into many other formats. So you generate one raw image, and then
> convert it to any other formats using qemu-img.
Also, according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_disk_image#Virtual_disk_formats
majority of solutions support "vpcVirtualPC compatible image format
(VHD)." and "vmdkVMware 3 and 4 compatible image format."

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Olivier Bonvalet 

Le 26/07/2011 09:28, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :

On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:

Hi,
I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
useful for testing (e.g. someone wrote on debian-release that he doesn't have
access to oldstable/stable systems, with prepared virtualisation
images that would no longer be an issue). For many setups this could even
replace the installer since software selection and hostname can easily
be tweaked post-install.

I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
(they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).

What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
- Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
   included since Squeeze.
- Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
   proprietary
- Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
- Qemu
- Citrix XenServer?


- images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)



+1

I would love to have an official Debian Image for Amazon and other cloud 
infrastructures.



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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Olivier B. 

Le 26/07/2011 09:28, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :

On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:

Hi,
I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
useful for testing (e.g. someone wrote on debian-release that he doesn't have
access to oldstable/stable systems, with prepared virtualisation
images that would no longer be an issue). For many setups this could even
replace the installer since software selection and hostname can easily
be tweaked post-install.

I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
(they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).

What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
- Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
   included since Squeeze.
- Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
   proprietary
- Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
- Qemu
- Citrix XenServer?


- images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)



+1

I would love to have an official Debian Image for Amazon and other cloud 
infrastructures.



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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Jon Dowland 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
> 
> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?

As far as I understand it, a VM is usually two separate things: a disk image
and a VM definition.   We can probably prepare a disk image which is versatile
enough to work in a variety of VM technologies:  i.e., have the correct drivers
and software for the majority of VM hardware (or commonly virtualised
hardware).  This is probably pretty much done for us largely by the kernel
already.

The VM definition file is trickier.  qemu/kvm essentially don't have one; you
would supply command-line arguments to the tool.  virsh/libvirt/virt-manager et
al sitting on top of KVM have an XML definition.  VMWare uses an XML definition.
I suspect VirtualBox does as well.

End users may want to customize many aspects of the VM definition (perhaps all):
not least, specific networking settings; amount of memory; CPU affinity etc.

Perhaps a Debian web service could spit out custom VM definitions alongside the
image file in a chosen disk format for users on-demand?

For starters, compressed RAW disk format is perhaps the most useful disk image
format (can be imported into virtually anything)

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Vincent Bernat 
OoO En cette  matinée ensoleillée du mardi 26  juillet 2011, vers 09:28,
Lucas Nussbaum  disait :

>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>> included since Squeeze.
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>> proprietary
>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>> - Qemu
>> - Citrix XenServer?

> - images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)

I  was  about to  ask  the  same. Those  images  seem  very popular  for
Ubuntu. Maybe we are missing something by not providing them. I remember
that those  images can be used with  Eucalyptus as well (no  need to use
Amazon).
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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images

Yes, absolutely. These days having virtual images is yet another way of
distributing an operating system and I think we should do that.

> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?

As a general principle we should at least have all images needed to run
virtualisation technologies which we do have in the archive.

Additionally, I think we should also consider getting contacts with
"cloud providers" (e.g. Amazon, as mentioned in this thread) and have
them offer Debian images provided by us. Some of those provider already
offer, possibly via third parties, Debian virtualization images. It
would be much better if they can offer the "official" ones provided by
us. For this we need contacts though, possibly of people who are
Debian/FOSS friendly within the companies.  Of course we should strive
for not singling out any single company, hence the way it could work is
to have a page listing providers offering official Debian virtualisation
images + offering a contact point that providers could mail to get
listed. In that respect, it could work very much like
.

> How should the images be generated? IMO the images would need to be
> created by a DD and to provide at least some form of trust path
> validation we could provide PGP signed hashes of the download images.

No matter what internal process we decide to have for generating the
images, we should advertise them as official images rather than
distributing them under some sort of personal URL.

Thanks for raising this topic!
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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Luca Capello 
Hi there!

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:46:47 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images.

While the Debian Events team mainly needs a BabelBox, it would be also
useful to have a standard and full Debian desktop that people at booths
can easily download, better *before* being at a booth, and show to
people.  We could also provide them in the BabelBox machine, so booth
organizers can just copy the images:

  

>> How should the images be generated? 
>
> vmdebootstrap --image=debian-squeeze.img --size=4G \
> --mirror=http://cdn.debian.net/debian --distribution=squeeze \
> --enable-dhcp --root-password=password1 --user=tomjon/password \
> --hostname=squeezebox --package=gnome
>
> That should get you started. Vary the packages as you wish, and
> see also the --customize option for futher tweaking.  
>
> (vmdebootstrap is not in Debian at this time, but see
> http://liw.fi/vmdebootstrap/ for the home page, and help with
> packaging if you start using it, please.)

FWIW, this is needed with QEMU/KVM for the Debian Events Box, so if no
one wants to package it I will do that.

> It would probably be nice to have a debian-installer based way to
> generate the images, so they're as close to a real, installed system
> as possible, but vmdebootstrap (or one of the other similar tools)
> will do in a pinch.

This would be really appreciated.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Evgeni Golov 
On 07/26/2011 02:00 AM, Tony Godshall wrote:
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>>   proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>>> - Citrix XenServer?
>>
>> Would this require the Debian project to go out and buy various bits of
>> proprietary software to build the images with?
> 
> Of course Debian should not provide images in proprietary
> formats any more than it distributes non-free software.

How about OVF[1]?
Who wants to hack support for it in qemu? :)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Virtualization_Format


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Philipp Hagemeister 
Jon Dowland wrote:
> The VM definition file is trickier.  qemu/kvm essentially don't have
one; you
> would supply command-line arguments to the tool.
virsh/libvirt/virt-manager et
> al sitting on top of KVM have an XML definition.  VMWare uses an XML
definition.
> I suspect VirtualBox does as well.
OVF is open, well-supported (including VirtualBox and VMWare), and imho
not a bad format.

I'd suggest we add support for OVF for the virtualization solutions that
don't support it instead of inventing a new format or writing obscure
metadata files for each virtualization solution(virtualizer?).

Philipp



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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez 
On mar., 2011-07-26 at 11:15 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:46:47 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> >> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
> official
> >> virtualisation images.
> 
> While the Debian Events team mainly needs a BabelBox, it would be also
> useful to have a standard and full Debian desktop that people at
> booths
> can easily download, better *before* being at a booth, and show to
> people.  We could also provide them in the BabelBox machine, so booth
> organizers can just copy the images:
> 
>    

Well, there are Debian live cds with main desktop environment which
would nicely fit the purpose, imho. See
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
and http://live.debian.net

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Re: DEP5 public-domain Question

2011-07-26 Thread Dominique Dumont 
Since others have replied regarding the content of the DEP-5 file, I'll focus 
on DEP-5 parser

On Wednesday 20 July 2011 15:39:09 Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> Also, the DEP5 checker has no clue about public-domain as a short
> license either:
> 
> $> config-edit -application dpkg-copyright -ui none
> Configuration item 'Files:"scikits/statsmodels/datasets/anes96/anes96.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/grunfeld/grunfeld.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/longley/longley.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/macrodata/macrodata.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/nile/nile.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/randhie/randhie.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/stackloss/stackloss.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/strikes/strikes.csv
>scikits/statsmodels/datasets/sunspots/sunspots.csv" License short_name'
> has a wrong value: license public-domain is not declared in main License
> section. Expected BSD-3

To satisfy DEP5 model constraints, you need to spell out the terms of the 
licence you want to use. Etheir as a "License: public-domain" stand-alone 
section or as text in the File section (after the License: line in the file 
section).

You can also do it on the command line (with libconfig-model-perl 1.250):

$ config-edit -application dpkg-copyright -ui none -save \
  'License:"public-domain" text="there should be a good explanation here"'

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support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Paul Wise 
Hi all,

One big problem with existing live images, VM images, "cloud" images
and images for mobile/tablet devices outside of Debian has been the
provision of OpenSSH private keys within the image file. Obviously
this is a huge fail.

I was talking with Daniel Baumann about how Debian Live approaches
this problem and I think he said Debian Live has some scripts to
remove them after installation.

We were thinking that it might be nice to add support to
openssh-server for installing the package, not generating the host
keys and then generating them on first boot. debconf pre-seeding could
be one way to do that, but it would be quite specific and a more
general solution might be desirable.

So, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on this topic?

On a related note, an "OEM" mode for d-i is something I believe  we
currently lack. Requirements for this would be the above "unconfigured
systems" idea plus some on-boot UI to configure the system (timezone,
users, etc).

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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard 
On 11-07-26 at 12:03pm, Paul Wise wrote:
> One big problem with existing live images, VM images, "cloud" images 
> and images for mobile/tablet devices outside of Debian has been the 
> provision of OpenSSH private keys within the image file. Obviously 
> this is a huge fail.
> 
> I was talking with Daniel Baumann about how Debian Live approaches 
> this problem and I think he said Debian Live has some scripts to 
> remove them after installation.
> 
> We were thinking that it might be nice to add support to 
> openssh-server for installing the package, not generating the host 
> keys and then generating them on first boot. debconf pre-seeding could 
> be one way to do that, but it would be quite specific and a more 
> general solution might be desirable.
> 
> So, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on this topic?

Uhm, I did have an idea for this, but have forgotten it again now.

Cc'ing Hector who might recall our discussion on this exact issue a few 
weeks ago...


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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Paul Wise  schrieb:
> So, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on this topic?

I would suggest a package such as "debian-oem-prep", which
contains an init script, which tests a file such a 
/etc/wipe-all-traces-on-next-boot. If that files exists, all
sensitive host data like existing SSH hosts is being removed,
and debconf being fired up to configure a new host and domain
name. Also, it could execute script files from 
/etc/debian-oem-prep.d (which allow additional site-specific
OEM customisation). Once debian-oem-prep is done, the
/etc/wipe-all-traces-on-next-boot is removed. 

If anyone wants to prepare a OEM image, he would simply
install debian-oem-prep, touch /etc/wipe-all-traces-on-next-boot
and shutdown the virtual machine.

Cheers,
Moritz



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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Ian Campbell 
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images. [...]
> Do people think this is relevant and are willing to work on providing
> one of the images? If so, we could arrange a BoF at DebConf.

I think this would be a great idea. If there is a BoF I'll do my best to
attend.

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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Daniel Baumann 
On 07/26/2011 12:03 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
> I was talking with Daniel Baumann about how Debian Live approaches
> this problem and I think he said Debian Live has some scripts to
> remove them after installation.

no rocket science involved, we simply just remove them during build
(live-build) and create them during bootup (live-config).

although it would be nice if openssh would offer a way to skip the key
creation in postinst, in an ideal world, we would have a generic way of
skipping anything not suitable for such situations by exporting some
variable that would skip these things or only run these things
(depending on if you're building or running the system).

since the only way to do this is a policy change/addition/$whatever, i'd
be very happy to use this, but i've no energy to drive it.

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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Daniel Baumann 
On 07/26/2011 12:23 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I would suggest a package such as "debian-oem-prep", which
> contains an init script, which tests a file such a 
> /etc/wipe-all-traces-on-next-boot. If that files exists, all
> sensitive host data like existing SSH hosts is being removed,
> and debconf being fired up to configure a new host and domain
> name.

this is re-inventing the wheel; the stuff should not be generated in the
first place by the package, and the best way to decide which stuff
shouldn't be generated is to have the maintainer of the package care
about this in the very same package (see my other mail).

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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Samuel Thibault 
Daniel Baumann, le Tue 26 Jul 2011 12:30:29 +0200, a écrit :
> On 07/26/2011 12:23 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> > I would suggest a package such as "debian-oem-prep", which
> > contains an init script, which tests a file such a 
> > /etc/wipe-all-traces-on-next-boot. If that files exists, all
> > sensitive host data like existing SSH hosts is being removed,
> > and debconf being fired up to configure a new host and domain
> > name.
> 
> this is re-inventing the wheel; the stuff should not be generated in the
> first place by the package, and the best way to decide which stuff
> shouldn't be generated is to have the maintainer of the package care
> about this in the very same package (see my other mail).

Well, isn't it simply about not configuring a few packages?

Such as: the maintainer writes in control whether his package should be
configured at install time or first-boot time. And this field is only
used by OEM installers.

That way, most packages are already configured, and the few packages we
don't want to configure aren't.

Samuel


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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Daniel Baumann 
On 07/26/2011 12:33 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Well, isn't it simply about not configuring a few packages?

no; see openssh-server.postinst, in the discussed use-case you want to
run everything in there except the creation of the host keys.

the only left problem to work out is to define a way so that upon start,
if enabled (which would be by default to yes upon boot), those packages
that have not configured their "private" stuff yet, to run their
postinsts again (to execute only those commands that create it, see my
other mail before).

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Tokarev 
26.07.2011 02:46, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>   included since Squeeze.
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>   proprietary
>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>> - Qemu
>> - Citrix XenServer?
> 
> You don't mention KVM explicitly (it's almost identical to Qemu,
> but fast), or Xen. Anyway, qemu-img can convert a raw disk image
> into many other formats. So you generate one raw image, and then
> convert it to any other formats using qemu-img.

There is, actually, practically no need to provide different
images, just one should be sufficient.

The question is: how well all the listed virtualization solutions
can work with raw images?

If they can do that, it's the best approach to take: create _one_
single image (of each distribution or point release, whatever) as
a raw image, and include all software (drivers and agents) to work
as a guest for any of the mentioned solutions.

That's basically it.

Yes, if some solution can't work with raw format, it most likely
have some import tool to convert raw to whatever format they
understand, and this is better be done by "native" utility than
by qemu-img, since native better understands all the needs.

The only problem is that raw images may be large(ish).  For that,
create as small as possible file, to fit stuff almost exactly,
and recommend resizing it.  Maybe... :)

/mjt


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Jon Dowland 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 02:34:18PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> The only problem is that raw images may be large(ish).  For that,
> create as small as possible file, to fit stuff almost exactly,
> and recommend resizing it.  Maybe... :)

I'm fairly sure that compressed RAW is not much larger than sparse-file formats
like qcow2, so the file size should not be a problem for transmission, but
potentially for unpacking at the user's end.  I agree though, sizing the
underlying virtual disk to be quite small is a good idea.   Users can attach
additional virtual disks if they need more capacity.  It might be wise to use
LVM between the virtual disk and the filesystem, so that users could add
additional PVs and grow the root filesystem if required.


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Re: DEP5 public-domain Question

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Yu 
Hi Dominique,

> To satisfy DEP5 model constraints, you need to spell out the terms of the
> licence you want to use. Etheir as a "License: public-domain" stand-alone
> section or as text in the File section (after the License: line in the file
> section).

Does that mean that License: PD won't work with config-edit? I don't
have a Debian system handy to test, but I have seen that used in many
packages, and have thus adopted it into some of my own, c.f.:
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-perl/trunk/libmath-random-isaac-perl/debian/copyright?revision=74518&view=markup

I just checked the DEP5 proposal itself and your parser is correct in
the strictest sense, but will it be able to parse older d/copyright
files to perhaps automatically convert "PD" to "public-domain"
(possibly also issuing a warning in the process)?

Cheers,

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Daniel Baumann 
On 07/26/2011 12:27 AM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images.

we have worked on that with debian-live (both producing live and
'non-live' images; the only difference is that live-* is not installed
in the rootfs), and provide soon vbox (and if interest, any other image
type) for this.

you might want to hold on for after debconf.

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Bug#635504: ITP: flashcache -- write back block device cache for Linux

2011-07-26 Thread Arno Töll 
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Arno Töll" 

* Package name: flashcache
  Version : 1.0
  Upstream Author : Mohan Srinivasan 
* URL : https://github.com/facebook/flashcache
* License : GPL-2
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : write-back block device cache for Linux

Flashcache is a write-back block device cache for Linux. Using the Linux
device mapper (DM) it provides an overlay mapper, to cache chunks of
data on a high speed caching device like a solid-state drive for fast
read access.
.
Flashcache supports FIFO and LRU cache sets, is configurable and error
resistant. It comes with a DKMS kernel module and a corresponding user
land for command and control.


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Bug#635509: ITP: libmoosex-followpbp-perl -- Name your accessors get_foo() and set_foo()

2011-07-26 Thread Julien VAUBOURG 
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Julien VAUBOURG 


* Package name: libmoosex-followpbp-perl
  Version : 0.05
  Upstream Author : Dave Rolsky 
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/MooseX-FollowPBP-0.05/
* License : Artistic 2.0
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Name your accessors get_foo() and set_foo()

This module does not provide any methods. Simply loading it changes the default 
naming policy for the loading class so that accessors are separated into get 
and set methods. The get methods are prefixed with "get_" as the accessor, 
while set methods are prefixed with "set_". This is the naming style 
recommended by Damian Conway in Perl Best Practices.



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Re: DEP5 public-domain Question

2011-07-26 Thread Dominique Dumont 
On Tuesday 26 July 2011 13:12:53 Jonathan Yu wrote:
> Does that mean that License: PD won't work with config-edit? 

No. 

Here's an example that works (PD license defined in Files section):

++
Files: *
Copyright: 2009, foo bar
License: PD 
 Lots of explanations
++

This will also work (PD license defined in stand-alones section):

++
Files: *
Copyright: 2009, foo bar
License: PD 

License: PD
 Lots of explanations
++

This will not work (PD License not defined elsewhere):

++
Files: *
Copyright: 2009, foo bar
License: PD 
++

> I don't
> have a Debian system handy to test, but I have seen that used in many
> packages, and have thus adopted it into some of my own, c.f.:
> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-perl/trunk/libmath-random-isaac-perl/d
> ebian/copyright?revision=74518&view=markup

The example you gave will fail, not because of the PD license, but because 
there's no '.' within the blank lines of the PD license definition.
(lines 23, 27 and 31)

All the best

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Bug#635510: ITP: libio-pty-easy-perl -- Easy interface to IO::Pty

2011-07-26 Thread Julien VAUBOURG 
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Julien VAUBOURG 


* Package name: libio-pty-easy-perl
  Version : 0.08
  Upstream Author : Jesse Luehrs 
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/~doy/IO-Pty-Easy-0.08/
* License : Artistic 1, GPL 1
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Easy interface to IO::Pty

IO::Pty::Easy provides an interface to IO::Pty which hides most of the ugly
details of handling ptys, wrapping them instead in simple spawn/read/write
commands.



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Bug#635516: ITP: dvdstyler -- DVD authoring and burning tool

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff 
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Moritz Muehlenhoff 

* Package name: dvdstyler
  Version : 1.8.4.2
  Upstream Author : Alex Thuering 
* URL : http://dvdstyler.sf.net
* License : GPL2
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : DVD authoring and burning tool

 DVDStyler is a DVD authoring application for the creation of
 professional-looking DVDs. It allows not only burning of video
 files on DVD that can be played practically on any standalone
 DVD player, but also creation of individually designed DVD
 menus.



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Re: Bug#635516: ITP: dvdstyler -- DVD authoring and burning tool

2011-07-26 Thread Reinhard Tartler 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:02:42 (CEST), Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:

> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Moritz Muehlenhoff 
>
> * Package name: dvdstyler
>   Version : 1.8.4.2
>   Upstream Author : Alex Thuering 
> * URL : http://dvdstyler.sf.net
> * License : GPL2
>   Programming Lang: C++
>   Description : DVD authoring and burning tool
>
>  DVDStyler is a DVD authoring application for the creation of
>  professional-looking DVDs. It allows not only burning of video
>  files on DVD that can be played practically on any standalone
>  DVD player, but also creation of individually designed DVD
>  menus.

Doesn't this package require mjpegtools?
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/mjpegtools.git

(mjpegtools recently got rejected for some missing licensing/copyright
clarifications, pkg-multimedia is working on it, but help is as always
welcome).


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Re: Bug#635516: ITP: dvdstyler -- DVD authoring and burning tool

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Reinhard Tartler  schrieb:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:02:42 (CEST), Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
>
>> Package: wnpp
>> Severity: wishlist
>> Owner: Moritz Muehlenhoff 
>>
>> * Package name: dvdstyler
>>   Version : 1.8.4.2
>>   Upstream Author : Alex Thuering 
>> * URL : http://dvdstyler.sf.net
>> * License : GPL2
>>   Programming Lang: C++
>>   Description : DVD authoring and burning tool
>>
>>  DVDStyler is a DVD authoring application for the creation of
>>  professional-looking DVDs. It allows not only burning of video
>>  files on DVD that can be played practically on any standalone
>>  DVD player, but also creation of individually designed DVD
>>  menus.
>
> Doesn't this package require mjpegtools?
> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/mjpegtools.git

No, it works without in current versions.

It requires ffmpeg/libav 0.7, though, so uploading it to sid will
need to wait some time anyway.

Cheers,
Moritz








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Re: Bug#635516: ITP: dvdstyler -- DVD authoring and burning tool

2011-07-26 Thread Reinhard Tartler 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 17:44:55 (CEST), Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:

> Reinhard Tartler  schrieb:
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:02:42 (CEST), Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
>>
>>> Package: wnpp
>>> Severity: wishlist
>>> Owner: Moritz Muehlenhoff 
>>>
>>> * Package name: dvdstyler
>>>   Version : 1.8.4.2
>>>   Upstream Author : Alex Thuering 
>>> * URL : http://dvdstyler.sf.net
>>> * License : GPL2
>>>   Programming Lang: C++
>>>   Description : DVD authoring and burning tool
>>>
>>>  DVDStyler is a DVD authoring application for the creation of
>>>  professional-looking DVDs. It allows not only burning of video
>>>  files on DVD that can be played practically on any standalone
>>>  DVD player, but also creation of individually designed DVD
>>>  menus.
>>
>> Doesn't this package require mjpegtools?
>> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/mjpegtools.git
>
> No, it works without in current versions.
>
> It requires ffmpeg/libav 0.7, though, so uploading it to sid will
> need to wait some time anyway.

Well, libav 0.7 is already in experimental, so you could upload
there. In fact, there is already a number of packages waiting for this.

As for having libav 0.7 in unstable, see Bug #624807

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Karl Goetz  schrieb:

>> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
>> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
>>=20
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>   proprietary
>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>> - Citrix XenServer?
>
> Would this require the Debian project to go out and buy various bits of
> proprietary software to build the images with?

No money will need to be spend. There will surely be people, who
have access to such systems at work. At least VMware also offers
free-as-in-beer variants like vmware server or ESXi. (IIRC)

I don't see a problem with offering Debian in proprietary virt formats,
it's essentially comparable to the FSF offering builds for of the GNU
userland for proprietary Unixes; to provide people an initial stepstone
to get out of their proprietary mess.

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Steffen Möller 
On 07/26/2011 09:53 AM, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
> Le 26/07/2011 09:28, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
>> On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
>>> official
>>> virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
>>> allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
>>> useful for testing (e.g. someone wrote on debian-release that he
>>> doesn't have
>>> access to oldstable/stable systems, with prepared virtualisation
>>> images that would no longer be an issue). For many setups this could
>>> even
>>> replace the installer since software selection and hostname can easily
>>> be tweaked post-install.
>>>
>>> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
>>> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
>>>
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>>included since Squeeze.
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>>proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>>> - Qemu
>>> - Citrix XenServer?
>>
>> - images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)
>>
> +1
>
> I would love to have an official Debian Image for Amazon and other
> cloud infrastructures.
Please allow to bring
http://alestic.com/
with a series of fine images to your awareness. Those folks are not
beaten too
easily, and should rather be joined in some way.

The cloudbiolinux.org community is also preparing Debian-based images.
Everyone
out there in the cloud not using Azure likes Debian and/or its
derivatives. Rather than
having their effort duplicated, I would aim at embracing them and find a
niche for the
with or next to us.

That all said - we should be (and are) experimenting with those technologies
and come up with bits that those downstreamers might not have yet
thought of.
There is for instance Rudy at the very moment exploiting cross-architecture
virtualisation for the cloud with Eucalyptus as his Google Summer of
Code project.

Steffen




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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Ivan Shmakov 
> Moritz Mühlenhoff  writes:

 > Hi, I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
 > official virtualisation images.  In contrast to the ISOs currently
 > provided it allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can
 > also be very useful for testing (e. g. someone wrote on
 > debian-release that he doesn't have access to oldstable/stable
 > systems, with prepared virtualisation images that would no longer be
 > an issue).

Most of the time, I'd prefer to use chroot'ed environments for
getting access to other Linux-based systems (with comparable
kernel versions.)

 > For many setups this could even replace the installer since software
 > selection and hostname can easily be tweaked post-install.

While I can't readily advocate for one approach or the other,
there certainly is an alternative.

Namely, example preseed files for common in-VM installation
scenarios may be provided (within a Debian package, in
particular.)  Also, it could be made easy and straightforward to
select a preseed file external to the image itself from the
bootloader's menu.

Given a ready to use preseed file, installing Debian is a
matter of minutes (operator's time.)

Also, this way, the issue of authenticity checking is already
solved, and there's no need to waste any disk space to host
extra image files.

With Qemu (KVM), the process may be further simplified by
providing a tarball with the respective kernel and initramfs
images, and an (example) script to start the installer, in
addition to the preseed file.  Since Qemu contains its own
kernel bootloader, which can be configured from the command
line, the process could be made almost fully-automated.

The other virtualization solutions may demand a configuration
file of a sort.  The examples, templates, or generators of such
files may also be provided.

The only configuration option that I expect to often require
operator's attention would be the HTTP proxy URI.

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Vincent Bernat  schrieb:
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>  09:28,
> Lucas Nussbaum  disait=C2=A0:
>
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>> included since Squeeze.
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>> proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>>> - Qemu
>>> - Citrix XenServer?
>
>> - images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)
>
> I  was  about to  ask  the  same. Those  images  seem  very popular  for
> Ubuntu. Maybe we are missing something by not providing them. I remember
> that those  images can be used with  Eucalyptus as well (no  need to use
> Amazon).

The process is detailed here:
http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/2007-08-29/GettingStartedGuide/creating-an-image.html
 

I have no experience with Amazon EC2. It says "All AMIs are loaded from Amazon 
S3 storage.".
Does this mean Debian would need to rent Amazon storage space, which would be
made accessible to the world by granting access rights or similarly?

Cheers,
Moritz


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Michael Tokarev  schrieb:

>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>>   included since Squeeze.
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>>   proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>>> - Qemu
>>> - Citrix XenServer?
>> 
>> You don't mention KVM explicitly (it's almost identical to Qemu,
>> but fast), or Xen. Anyway, qemu-img can convert a raw disk image
>> into many other formats. So you generate one raw image, and then
>> convert it to any other formats using qemu-img.
>
> There is, actually, practically no need to provide different
> images, just one should be sufficient.
>
> The question is: how well all the listed virtualization solutions
> can work with raw images?

Ok, we could probably simply prepare an image in raw format and
ask people to test with various virtualisation solutions.

> If they can do that, it's the best approach to take: create _one_
> single image (of each distribution or point release, whatever) as
> a raw image, and include all software (drivers and agents) to work
> as a guest for any of the mentioned solutions.

The support drivers for Xen and virtio are mainlined and present
in the Squeeze kernel. At least the Vmware network driver also is
(vmxnet3).

The hv driver for Microsoft Virtual PC is only present in staging
not enabled in the Debian kernel.

> The only problem is that raw images may be large(ish).  For that,
> create as small as possible file, to fit stuff almost exactly,
> and recommend resizing it.  Maybe... :)

Having the images compressed with ZIP and bzip2 should probably
be equivalent?

Cheers,
Moritz







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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
debian  schrieb:
> For now I would recommend against pre-configured Citrix XenServer 
> releases.  I am a Citrix CCNA and I would not recommend that for this 
> very reason. Debian is best set up in Citrix Xenserver from scratch.  

Is there a technical reason or is this personal preference?

The idea of offering virtualised images is have immediate access to 
the system after download and not go go through an installer.

Cheers,
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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Lars Wirzenius  schrieb:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>   included since Squeeze.
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>   proprietary
>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>> - Qemu
>> - Citrix XenServer?
>
> You don't mention KVM explicitly (it's almost identical to Qemu,
> but fast), or Xen. Anyway, qemu-img can convert a raw disk image
> into many other formats. So you generate one raw image, and then
> convert it to any other formats using qemu-img.
>
>> How should the images be generated? 
>
> vmdebootstrap --image=debian-squeeze.img --size=4G \
> --mirror=http://cdn.debian.net/debian --distribution=squeeze \
> --enable-dhcp --root-password=password1 --user=tomjon/password \
> --hostname=squeezebox --package=gnome
>
> That should get you started. Vary the packages as you wish, and
> see also the --customize option for futher tweaking.  

That sounds neat. I'll give it a try later on.

Cheers,
Moritz


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Stefano Zacchiroli  schrieb:

> Additionally, I think we should also consider getting contacts with
> "cloud providers" (e.g. Amazon, as mentioned in this thread) and have
> them offer Debian images provided by us. Some of those provider already
> offer, possibly via third parties, Debian virtualization images. It
> would be much better if they can offer the "official" ones provided by
> us. For this we need contacts though, possibly of people who are
> Debian/FOSS friendly within the companies.  Of course we should strive
> for not singling out any single company, hence the way it could work is
> to have a page listing providers offering official Debian virtualisation
> images + offering a contact point that providers could mail to get
> listed. In that respect, it could work very much like

I know next to nothing about cloud computing.

Which cloud providers are relevant beside Amazon?

Cheers,
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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Ian Campbell  schrieb:
> On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images. [...]
>> Do people think this is relevant and are willing to work on providing
>> one of the images? If so, we could arrange a BoF at DebConf.
>
> I think this would be a great idea. If there is a BoF I'll do my best to
> attend.

I'll summarise the discussion and proposal in the Wiki tomorrow and
check, whether there's still free slots for BoFs later on.

Cheers,
Moritz


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Jon Dowland  schrieb:
> Perhaps a Debian web service could spit out custom VM definitions alongside 
> the
> image file in a chosen disk format for users on-demand?
>
> For starters, compressed RAW disk format is perhaps the most useful disk image
> format (can be imported into virtually anything)

I guess all virtualisation solutions could share a common RAW image, for which
different virtual machine definitions are created by volunteers running one of
the respective virt solutions.

Cheers,
Moritz


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff 
Daniel Baumann  schrieb:
> On 07/26/2011 12:27 AM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images.
>
> we have worked on that with debian-live (both producing live and
> 'non-live' images; the only difference is that live-* is not installed
> in the rootfs), and provide soon vbox (and if interest, any other image
> type) for this.
>
> you might want to hold on for after debconf.

I've never used Debian Live. Would a Vbox of Debian Live in installed
mode be any different to an installed standard Debian?

Cheers,
Moritz


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Bug#635547: ITP: ocaml-dssi -- OCaml interface to DSSI plugins

2011-07-26 Thread Romain Beauxis 
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Romain Beauxis 

* Package name: ocaml-dssi
  Version : 0.1.0
  Upstream Author : The Savonet Team 
* URL : http://savonet.sf.net/
* License : gPL
  Programming Lang: OCaml
  Description : OCaml interface to DSSI plugins

 This package provides an interface to the DSSI plugins for
 OCaml programmers.
 .
 DSSI is an API for audio plugins, with particular application for software
 synthesis plugins with native user interfaces.



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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Charles Plessy 
(CCed people involved in the two following URLs:)
http://bugs.debian.org/592550
http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image

Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 09:28:29AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> > 
> > What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> > - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
> >   included since Squeeze.
> > - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
> >   proprietary
> > - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
> > - Qemu
> > - Citrix XenServer?
> 
> - images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)

Hello everybody,

thanks to the work of others, the way is open to create AMIs with a patched
version of debian-installer (see #592550).

Eric Hammond, who maintains since a long time some high profile Ubuntu AMIs,
has written sound recommendations about the production of such images for the
Amazon Elastic Computer Cloud:

http://alestic.com/2011/06/ec2-ami-security
http://groups.google.com/group/ec2debian/msg/8f12b422f881dbaa

Some unofficial Debian AMIs are already being produced, see
http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image

To enable secure SSH login, booting after kernel update, and other tasks, some
init, grub, and perhaps other scripts are needed, and if they were wrapped in a
Debian package, then the production AMIs could be fully automated from whithin
the Debian operating system.

I am still a beginner in the field, but if help is needed, I volunteer to
co-maintain such a package.

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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Tom Heady 

Hello Charles,



Some unofficial Debian AMIs are already being produced, see
http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image


I have updated that list with the most recently created images in all 
regions.  Thanks for reminding me of it




To enable secure SSH login, booting after kernel update, and other tasks, some
init, grub, and perhaps other scripts are needed, and if they were wrapped in a
Debian package, then the production AMIs could be fully automated from whithin
the Debian operating system.



All of the configuration file customizations that were necessary to 
setup those images are inside my git repository here:


https://github.com/tomheady/ec2debian

Instructions on how to manually create the images are here:

https://github.com/tomheady/ec2debian/wiki/64bit-ebs-ami-pvgrub

I am using debootstrap to create the images from scratch.



I am still a beginner in the field, but if help is needed, I volunteer to
co-maintain such a package.



The files and instructions are there, if you want to create a .deb for 
it, hack away!


Feel free to let me know if any of my setup instructions are unclear.

Tom


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Re: Providing official virtualisation images of Debian

2011-07-26 Thread Kyle Moffett 
On Jul 26, 2011, at 19:38, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 09:28:29AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
>>> 
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>>  included since Squeeze.
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>>  proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>>> - Qemu
>>> - Citrix XenServer?
>> 
>> - images for cloud infrastructures (AMI -- Amazon Machine Image)
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> thanks to the work of others, the way is open to create AMIs with a patched
> version of debian-installer (see #592550).
> 
> To enable secure SSH login, booting after kernel update, and other tasks, some
> init, grub, and perhaps other scripts are needed, and if they were wrapped in 
> a
> Debian package, then the production AMIs could be fully automated from whithin
> the Debian operating system.

You don't need separate Debian packages, just a couple patches and scripts
integrated into the right existing packages.

My current work is here:
  http://opensource.exmeritus.com/debian-ami/

Please report any success or problems!

I don't have time right now to update all of these to the latest-n-greatest,
but if somebody wants to submit them I'd be very glad to have them upstream
in "network-console" and "debian-installer".

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett

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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread Ivan Shmakov 
> Daniel Baumann  writes:
> On 07/26/2011 12:33 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:

 >> Well, isn't it simply about not configuring a few packages?

 > no; see openssh-server.postinst, in the discussed use-case you want
 > to run everything in there except the creation of the host keys.

 > the only left problem to work out is to define a way so that upon
 > start, if enabled (which would be by default to yes upon boot), those
 > packages that have not configured their "private" stuff yet, to run
 > their postinsts again (to execute only those commands that create it,
 > see my other mail before).

Given how a usual .postinst script is written, its repeated
execution isn't expected to do any harm.

AIUI, the .postinst scripts may be re-executed with
dpkg-reconfigure(8).  The --all option may be handy, as well as
the --frontend=noninteractive and --unseen-only ones.

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Re: support for installing unconfigured systems (VM images, Debian Live images, preinstalled mobile/tablet images)

2011-07-26 Thread The Fungi 
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:41:07AM +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> AIUI, the .postinst scripts may be re-executed with
> dpkg-reconfigure(8).
[...]

In fact, for years I've relied on precisely this behavior to
regenerate SSH host keys when cloning machines (virtual or
physical)...

   sudo rm /etc/ssh/*_key* && sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server

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