Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:28:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> >Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >> There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common)
> >> using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server.
> >
> >If I had to chose between that working, and not needing to worry about
> >filename lengths, I'd choose the latter.
> 
> We already have arbitrary limits on filename length (~200 bytes or so
> on RockRidge), even before this. I'm just proposing to lower them for
> a common use case. Do we really care about supporting *very* long
> names here?

I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy
that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a too-short limit
then we're asking them to make an exception in the naming policy.

> >One approach then would be to omit joliet filenames for the few long
> >packages. This would not even impact your use case above much, since
> >any mirror seeded from files from CDs needs a further sync step.
> 
> I'd be much happier to not have to special case yet another thing in
> the CD scripts. That way potentially leads to unforeseen bugs in the
> future, for very little gain.

What happens if you try to put too-long filenames on the CD with Joliet
enabled?

Does it fail to build? Are there options to rename the files
automatically?

If it means we have some unexpected filenames for long filenames on
Windows, it's not a big deal IMO. 

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Re: ddebs

2011-03-26 Thread Torsten Werner
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
 wrote:
> The way I did it was one .ddeb per source package, not per binary. So it is
> $src-ddeb. You can reject them if they are not for $src package (or if $src
> package doesn't exist in the archive).

To simplify the archive processes i would prefer having a ddeb per
binary package instead of source package. It must have the name
$binary-ddeb and must have the same version as $binary. The ddebs will
get separate Packages files similar to the udebs. It is even easier
for our users that they don't need to find out the source package
name. Can we agree on that?

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Re: ddebs

2011-03-26 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 26/03/11 08:07, Torsten Werner wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
>  wrote:
>> The way I did it was one .ddeb per source package, not per binary. So it is
>> $src-ddeb. You can reject them if they are not for $src package (or if $src
>> package doesn't exist in the archive).
> 
> To simplify the archive processes i would prefer having a ddeb per
> binary package instead of source package. It must have the name
> $binary-ddeb and must have the same version as $binary. The ddebs will
> get separate Packages files similar to the udebs. It is even easier
> for our users that they don't need to find out the source package
> name. Can we agree on that?

I have just skimmed over the dicussions from 2009 where we decided that it
should be one ddeb per source package, and it seems that everyone preferred one
ddeb per binary package except the ftpmasters :) So that's fine with me.

I'd add to the requirements that foo-ddeb needs to Depend on foo (=
${binary:Version}).

I'd also mandate the use of build-ids for .ddebs and add refcounting support
(like has been done for multiarch AFAIK) to dpkg for them, so we don't need to
worry about Conflicts / Replaces.

Cheers,
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oldstable-security signing key

2011-03-26 Thread Mark Hymers
Hi,

Ben Hutchings recently discovered that old lenny CDs (5.0.0) currently
fail to install.  Phil Kern discovered that this was because they
couldn't validate the security signing key (which was rolled over after
they were released).  Originally, lenny security updates were signed
with the old ftpmaster key:

sec   4096R/55BE302B 2009-01-27 [expires: 2012-12-31]
uid  Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) 


As this key is still valid and present in debian-archive-keyring (even
in unstable) and will be so until well after the end of lenny security
support (which as we understand it is due on 2012-02-06), we intend to
change the lenny security repository to be signed by this key rather
than the current ftpmaster key which is:

pub   4096R/473041FA 2010-08-27 [expires: 2018-03-05]
uid  Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) 


If anyone has any objections to this, can they let us know?  I intend to
implement the changes necessary to make this work in dak immediately,
but won't change the key over for a couple of days to give people time
to raise objections.

Thanks,

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Re: ddebs

2011-03-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> I'd also mandate the use of build-ids for .ddebs and add refcounting support
> (like has been done for multiarch AFAIK) to dpkg for them, so we don't need to
> worry about Conflicts / Replaces.

For multi-arch, it's the _same_ package (but just another architecture of it) 
that
can share _identical_ files and where we have refcounting.

This can't be generalized to just any package, it's just contrary to the
logic of our packaging tools.

When do you have such conflicts? I hear when you have the same binary in
multiple package... but in that case both packages already conflict and
you can just copy the existing conlict field and add the -ddeb suffix.

Otherwise maybe there's a way to include the package name in the path
to avoid such conflicts?

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Build-Essential

2011-03-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi,

there are currently two ways to indicate what Debian considers
"Build-Essential". There is the package build-essential and there is
also a flag in the packages files.

We think it was used to be able to calculate the B-E packages by "just
looking at the packages files", but we do not see a good reason to have
it so. Simply installing the build-essential package plus dependencies
should do the trick too.

As far as we know currently the main user of this field seems to be
debootstrap in its buildd variant mode. If anybody else is using this it
would be useful if we could know about it, but currently we don't see
any reason to keep the flag, it is just useless extra maintenance to
have two places. As such we intend to drop the B-E flag after Squeeze is
removed from the main archive, which means all tools starting with
Wheezy using the flag should cope with using the package.

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Re: ddebs

2011-03-26 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 26/03/11 09:10, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>> I'd also mandate the use of build-ids for .ddebs and add refcounting support
>> (like has been done for multiarch AFAIK) to dpkg for them, so we don't need 
>> to
>> worry about Conflicts / Replaces.
> 
> For multi-arch, it's the _same_ package (but just another architecture of it) 
> that
> can share _identical_ files and where we have refcounting.
> 
> This can't be generalized to just any package, it's just contrary to the
> logic of our packaging tools.
> 
> When do you have such conflicts? I hear when you have the same binary in
> multiple package... but in that case both packages already conflict and
> you can just copy the existing conlict field and add the -ddeb suffix.

Not necessarily, e.g. you can have the same binary in different paths, or with
different names.

> Otherwise maybe there's a way to include the package name in the path
> to avoid such conflicts?

I don't think so. Otherwise gdb wouldn't know where to look for it.

Emilio


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Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:56:14 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> > We already have arbitrary limits on filename length (~200 bytes or so
> > on RockRidge), even before this. I'm just proposing to lower them for
> > a common use case. Do we really care about supporting *very* long
> > names here?
> I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy
> that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a too-short limit
> then we're asking them to make an exception in the naming policy.

Right, that's certainly true for the lib.*-perl packages, and I
wouldn't know how we should rename them in a sane way.
 

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Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2011-03-26 at 15:18 +0100, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:56:14 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> 
> > > We already have arbitrary limits on filename length (~200 bytes or so
> > > on RockRidge), even before this. I'm just proposing to lower them for
> > > a common use case. Do we really care about supporting *very* long
> > > names here?
> > I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy
> > that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a too-short limit
> > then we're asking them to make an exception in the naming policy.
> 
> Right, that's certainly true for the lib.*-perl packages, and I
> wouldn't know how we should rename them in a sane way.

I don't think the longstanding naming policy for Perl binary packages
has resulted in these very long names.  (I believe I once had the
longest-named binary package in the archive with
libmaypole-plugin-authentication-usersessioncookie-perl, but that was
still only 55 characters.)

The really absurdly long names Steve found seem to be used for secondary
source tarballs for some v3 source packages, where the file name
essentially includes two full Perl module names.  If that's specified in
current Perl policy, it should be fixed (and can be fixed without
confusing users).

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Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag 25 März 2011, 21:59:31 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:48:15PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:09:54PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 03:27:57PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > > The longest is:
> > > > 
> > > > libreoffice-presentation-minimizer_1.0.3+LibO3.3.1-1_kfreebsd-amd64.d
> > > > eb
> > > > 
> > > > at 71.
> > > 
> > > Good, then any bug against openoffice.org is not needed, as that
> > > obviously will be + wontfix wheezy-ignore, because it simply can't be
> > > fixed as we need the transitional packages :)
> > 
> > It still can have a version number much shorter than 1.0.3+LibO3.3.1-1.
> 
> And there's no package out of openoffice.org which has that style of
> version.
> 
> And no, it cannot have a shorter version in libreoffice (e.g. you simply
> can't remov the +LibO3.3.1-1 unless you get problems in versioning as the
> version before the + doesn't necessarily change between releases)

At least the "LibO" can be dropped.

HS


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Is BTS down?

2011-03-26 Thread LUK ShunTim
Hi,

I've not been able to connect to BTS using reportbug and only got the
"Unable to connect to Debian BTS" message. Is BTS down?

Regards,
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Re: Is BTS down?

2011-03-26 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 15:41, LUK ShunTim  wrote:
> I've not been able to connect to BTS using reportbug and only got the
> "Unable to connect to Debian BTS" message. Is BTS down?

I had similar problems minutes ago, but now it seems working.

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Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, John H. Robinson, IV  wrote:
>> That's not our problem, is it?
>
> It is, if we are trying to be as compatible as possible.

Compatible with what? Bugs in other implementations?
What does that really gain us?

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Bug#619740: ITP: libdist-zilla-plugin-podspellingtests-perl -- Release tests for POD spelling

2011-03-26 Thread Dominique Dumont
Package: wnpp
Owner: Dominique Dumont 
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-p...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: libdist-zilla-plugin-podspellingtests-perl
  Version : 1.103491
  Upstream Author : Marcel Gruenauer , Harley Pig 

* URL : 
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-Plugin-PodSpellingTests/
* License : Artistic or GPL-1+
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Release tests for POD spelling

Dist::Zilla::Plugin::PodSpellingTests is Perl modulem, providing 
an extension of Dist::Zilla::Plugin::InlineFiles. This modules contains the
following file:

xt/release/pod-spell.t - a standard Test::Spelling test


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Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:32:27 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:

> > > I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy
> > > that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a too-short limit
> > > then we're asking them to make an exception in the naming policy.
> > Right, that's certainly true for the lib.*-perl packages, and I
> > wouldn't know how we should rename them in a sane way.
> The really absurdly long names Steve found seem to be used for secondary
> source tarballs for some v3 source packages, where the file name
> essentially includes two full Perl module names.  

Thanks for the pointer, I admit that I have missed this detail.

For the two packages listed in Steve's mail that gives us:

libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5-1.debian.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5-1.dsc
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Dispatch-2-17.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-AutoRunmode-0-17.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-ConfigAuto-1-32.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-DBH-4-00.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-DebugScreen-0-06.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-DevPopup-1-06.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-ErrorPage-1-21.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-FillInForm-1-15.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-Forward-1-06.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-LogDispatch-1-02.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-Redirect-1-00.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-Session-1-03.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-Stream-2-10.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-ValidateRM-2-3.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Plugin-ViewCode-1-02.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig-CGI-Application-Standard-Config-1-01.tar.gz
libcgi-application-basic-plugin-bundle-perl_0.5.orig.tar.gz

libcgi-application-plugin-authorization-perl_0.07-1.debian.tar.gz
libcgi-application-plugin-authorization-perl_0.07-1.dsc
libcgi-application-plugin-authorization-perl_0.07.orig-driver-activedirectory.tar.gz
libcgi-application-plugin-authorization-perl_0.07.orig.tar.gz

> If that's specified in
> current Perl policy, it should be fixed (and can be fixed without
> confusing users).

AFAIK the submodule names were just made up and can be shortened (in
fact, for the second package it's already a "made-up" name).

(Not that this gives us much room -- in the second case we're already
down to 84 characters ...)


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e2fsprogs as Essential: yes?

2011-03-26 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi folks,

Currently the e2fsprogs package is marked Essential: yes in the archive.  Is
this a historical holdover?  I believe e2fsprogs used to ship /sbin/fsck,
but since 2009 (i.e., util-linux (>= 2.15~rc1-1), which e2fsprogs has a
pre-depends on), this has been provided by util-linux instead.

The remaining programs provided by e2fsprogs are all specific to the ext*
family of filesystems, so I don't think meet the definition of Essential any
longer - their presence is certainly important if you have an ext[234]
filesystem, but while this is the default, you can have systems that don't
use ext* at all, which makes e2fsprogs no more essential in nature than the
other per-filesystem fsck tools.

Now that the transition to util-linux is done in a stable release, is it
time for us to drop the Essential: yes flag from e2fsprogs?  This will
benefit those targetting embedded systems that don't use ext, where the
package will be dead weight; the risk of any packages assuming availability
of these e2fs-specific interfaces without a dependency is quite low; and
we're at the right point in the cycle to make changes to the Essential set,
where we have time to deal with any unexpected fallout.

Thoughts?

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Re: oldstable-security signing key

2011-03-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Mark Hymers wrote:
> Ben Hutchings recently discovered that old lenny CDs (5.0.0) currently
> fail to install.  Phil Kern discovered that this was because they
> couldn't validate the security signing key (which was rolled over after
> they were released).

I ran into this problem yesterday.  Thank you for working to fix it.

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Re: ddebs

2011-03-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 26 mars 2011 à 08:38 +, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort a écrit : 
> I have just skimmed over the dicussions from 2009 where we decided that it
> should be one ddeb per source package, and it seems that everyone preferred 
> one
> ddeb per binary package except the ftpmasters :) So that's fine with me.

You already know that, but for those who haven’t followed the
discussions: several binaries built from the same source package can
share the same build ID (which cannot happen in different source
packages).

Hence the need for what follows.

> I'd also mandate the use of build-ids for .ddebs and add refcounting support
> (like has been done for multiarch AFAIK) to dpkg for them, so we don't need to
> worry about Conflicts / Replaces.

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Re: e2fsprogs as Essential: yes?

2011-03-26 Thread Mark Hymers
On Sat, 26, Mar, 2011 at 11:47:08AM -0700, Steve Langasek spoke thus..
> Hi folks,
> 
> Currently the e2fsprogs package is marked Essential: yes in the archive.  Is
> this a historical holdover?  I believe e2fsprogs used to ship /sbin/fsck,
> but since 2009 (i.e., util-linux (>= 2.15~rc1-1), which e2fsprogs has a
> pre-depends on), this has been provided by util-linux instead.

Hi,

The only other thing I can see is that e2fsprogs contains lsattr and
chattr - a quick grep through my local /var/lib/dpkg/info shows that
chattr is used in the postfix postinst without an explicit dependency.
I wonder if there are more instances of that?

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Re: e2fsprogs as Essential: yes?

2011-03-26 Thread Ted Ts'o
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:42:09PM +, Mark Hymers wrote:
> 
> The only other thing I can see is that e2fsprogs contains lsattr and
> chattr - a quick grep through my local /var/lib/dpkg/info shows that
> chattr is used in the postfix postinst without an explicit dependency.
> I wonder if there are more instances of that?

What to do with lsattr and chattr is actually a somewhat interesting
question.  They are most definitely ext2/3/4 specific, and the
ext2/3/4 development team still adds new flags to it from time to
time, so we had no plans moving those two commands out of e2fsprogs
any time soon.  On the other hand, other file systems, including
reiserfs and btrfs, have used the same ioctl and command line
interface, and we do coordinate flags to prevent conflicts.  So other
users of other file systems will still need lsattr and chattr.

There are similar, although less serious, issues with filefrag -v
(which will work on other file systems), but which also has some
ext2/3/4 specific code it in.

Another binary which is used by other packages includes the logsave
utility, which is also in e2fsprogs, and which is used by
/etc/init.d/checkfs.sh and /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh in the initscripts
package.

Regards,

- Ted


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Bug#619784: ITP: eigen3 -- Eigen 3 is a lightweight C++ template math library for vector and matrix math.

2011-03-26 Thread Anton Gladky
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Anton Gladky 



* Package name: eigen3
  Version : 3.0.0
* URL : http://eigen.tuxfamily.org 
* License : (GPL, LGPL)
  Programming Lang: (C, C++)
  Description : Eigen 3 is a lightweight C++ template library for vector 
and matris math


New version 3.0 is available. New package is requited not to break 
eigen2-oriented packages.



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Bug#619785: Please move logsave to sysvinit-utils

2011-03-26 Thread Carsten Hey
Package: sysvinit-utils
Severity: wishlist


* Ted Ts'o [2011-03-26 19:07 -0400]:
> There are similar, although less serious, issues with filefrag -v
> (which will work on other file systems), but which also has some
> ext2/3/4 specific code it in.

badblocks is also linked against libext2fs.


> Another binary which is used by other packages includes the logsave
> utility, which is also in e2fsprogs, and which is used by
> /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh and /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh in the initscripts
> package.

Debian supports (or rather will probably support) three init systems:

 * systemd does not use logsave to save the fsck log if /var/log is not
   mounted yet, but instead "just pipes the stdout of fsck to syslog
   which ends up in dmesg if syslog is not yet running" (thanks to
   whoever explained this in #systemd).

 * sysvinit and upstart depend on the package initscripts, which depends
   on sysvinit-utils.


logsave does not use any libraries except libc.  Provided that Ted Ts'o
agrees, please consider moving logsave to sysvinit-utils.


Regards
Carsten

P.S.: There is already a bug about essentialness filed against
  e2fsprogs: #474540



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