Bug#422086: ITP: naturaldocs -- an extensible, multi-language documentation generator

[Federico Di Gregorio]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Federico Di Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: naturaldocs
  Version : 1.4 development release
  Upstream Author : Greg Volture
* URL : http://www.naturaldocs.org/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : an extensible, multi-language documentation generator

 Natural Docs is an open-source, extensible, multi-language
 documentation generator.  You document your code in a natural
 syntax that reads like plain English.  Natural Docs then scans
 your code and builds high-quality HTML documentation from it.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=it_IT.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=it_IT.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash


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Bug#422106: ITP: pp3 -- Celestial charts generation

[Hilmar Preusse]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Hilmar Preusse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: pp3
  Version : 1.3.3
  Upstream Author : Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://pp3.sourceforge.net
* License : MIT/X
  Programming Lang: (C++, Web)
  Description : Celestial charts generation

PP3 creates celestial charts. It generates resolution independent maps of
very high graphical quality. They can be used for example as illustrations
in books or on web pages. You may use own databases or free ones from the
Internet.
PP3 is used for the maps of *all* constellations on Wikipedia!

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) (ignored: LC_ALL 
set to POSIX)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash


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Bug#422119: ITP: ripole -- Extract attachments from OLE2 data files (ie, MS Office docs)

[Le_Vert]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: ripole
  Version : 0.2.0
  Upstream Author : Paul L Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.pldaniels.com/ripole/
* License : 4-clause BSD
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Extract attachments from OLE2 data files (ie, MS Office 
docs)

ripOLE is a small program/library designed to pull out attachments from OLE2
data files.
..
It can handle most of Microsoft Office documents like "doc" (Word),
"xls" (Excel) or "ppt" (Powerpoint).
..
 Homepage: http://www.pldaniels.com/ripole/

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (900, 'testing'), (400, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.20-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

Bug#422137: ITP: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 -- l33t h4x0r numb3r

[Josselin Mouette]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
  Version : 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
  Upstream Author : MPAA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.mpaa.org/
* License : Non-free
  Programming Lang: Hex
  Description : l33t h4x0r numb3r

This package contains the "09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0" number. It 
is a very cool number, which, among other things, can be used by a wide 
range of HD-DVD deciphering applications.

A small library is provided to access this number in applications. The 
get_09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 C function returns a pointer to a 
16-byte structure containing this number.

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Re: Bug#422137: ITP: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 -- l33t h4x0r numb3r

[Norbert Preining]

On Don, 03 Mai 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> * Package name: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
>   Version : 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
>   Upstream Author : MPAA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.mpaa.org/
> * License : Non-free
>   Programming Lang: Hex
>   Description : l33t h4x0r numb3r

Great! Yes. Like the idea.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: Bug#422137: ITP: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 -- l33t h4x0r numb3r

[Andrea Bolognani]

On Thu, 3 May 2007 20:28:49 +0200
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> * Package name: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
>   Version : 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
>   Upstream Author : MPAA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.mpaa.org/
> * License : Non-free
>   Programming Lang: Hex
>   Description : l33t h4x0r numb3r
>
> This package contains the "09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0" number. It
> is a very cool number, which, among other things, can be used by a wide
> range of HD-DVD deciphering applications.
>
> A small library is provided to access this number in applications. The
> get_09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 C function returns a pointer to a
> 16-byte structure containing this number.

This is the best ITP I've seen in ages.

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Re: Bug#422137: ITP: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 -- l33t h4x0r numb3r

[Andreas Tille]

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Andrea Bolognani wrote:


This is the best ITP I've seen in ages.


In fact it is.  I immediately turned my head to verify that
April fools day is over and once I was sure I LOLed.

Good luck

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LSB init scripts (was: should an init-script print output, if verbose is set to no in /etc/default/rcS or by /lib/init/vars.sh?)

[Marc Haber]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:35:57 -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Further, why should individual init scripts that are already going to
>>> all the effort of using the LSB interfaces be expected to handle
>>> VERBOSE individually?  Why isn't this part of the log_* implementation?
>
>> The LSB init script stuff is a red herring anyway since the Interface is
>> badly designed and utterly incomplete. Init scripts are therefore forced
>> to abuse the provided functions if something "special" is needed.
>
>Is there any way that we can fix this?  I *really* like the basic idea and
>would be quite happy to never again write an "echo -n" in an init script.

I really like the idea as well. I do not feel very comfortable with
using the interface yet. I have only migrated two packages, exim4 and
nagios2, to LSB init scripts, and for both packages I needed a generic
log function which was kindly contributed by madduck on IRC:
|# this is from madduck on IRC, 2006-07-06
|# There should be a better possibility to give daemon error messages
|# and/or to log things
|log()
|{
|  case "$1" in
|[[:digit:]]*) success=$1; shift;;
|*) :;;
|  esac
|  log_action_begin_msg "$1"; shift
|  log_action_end_msg ${success:-0} "$*"
|}

I use this, for example, to give error messages that need to be given
before the daemon is even being started.

I am also mildly confused that the init script functions made
available by our lsb-base are so radically different from what's
mentioned in the LSB standard.

After reviewing my init scripts again, there is really only missing a
generic output function. Especially exim4 was quite hard to LSBize
since the package offers so many different configuration schemes, some
of them starting only one daemon and some others starting multiple
daemons. I don't really know how to handle this situation, and what,
for example, the "status" option is supposed to return.

Maybe someone can comment on the two init scripts and say whether I
did it right or wrong:
|http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-nagios/nagios2/trunk/debian/nagios2-common.nagios2.init?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
|http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-exim4/exim/trunk/debian/exim4-base.exim4.init?op=file&rev=0&sc=0

>To take one of the most obvious, they don't deal with failure at all well.
>If you try to start something and it fails with an error message, you end
>up with the error message plastered after the starting message without any
>blank line (and therefore often going over 80 columns), then a newline and
>a space, and then the failed message.
>
>They also don't deal at all well with programs that produce console output
>when they start (fairly common when loading kernel modules, for instance).
>I need some way to tell the output system that I'm about to do something
>that's going to produce output and they should do something reasonable
>with the formatting rather than just tack it on to the end of whatever
>line happens to be on the screen.

I'd like to have all output that is not written by log_foo functions
to be captured in a buffer, while having a log_foo function which will
print the buffer's contents and one that deletes the buffer. That way,
the init script can decide when printing the accumulated output would
be appropriate, and with reasonable implementations of the log_foo
functions even the current behavior can be emulated.

>And maybe it's just me, but having a library of convenience functions
>that, if used according to directions, end up having you write code like
>this seems rather silly:
>
>[ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_daemon_msg "Starting $DESC" "$NAME"
>do_start_kdc
>case "$?" in
>  0|1)
>if [ "x$RUN_KRB524D" = "xtrue" ] ; then
>[ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_progress_msg "krb524d"
>do_start_krb524d
>case "$?" in
>  0|1) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 0 ;;
>  2)   [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 1 ;;
>esac
>else
>[ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 0
>fi
>;;
>  2)
>[ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 1
>;;
>
>Surely the library should be dealing with some of this sort of thing.

Absolutely agreed.

This is also a "sales" issue. I have seen to many faces darken when
people see a Debian system boot for the first time. People get
reminded of the old DOS days and decide that this Linux thing is too
ugly to use.

Greetings
Marc

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help/co-maintainer needed for freebasic into debian

[Gürkan Sengün]

hello

i'm looking for someone like a hero to finish up this package here
http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/libfreebasic/ so it can be sponsored
and uploaded into debian.

once done so, we can do freebasic and after that many
free software basic source software which can then later
be built with freebasic...

cheers,
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Re: LSB init scripts (was: should an init-script print output, if verbose is set to no in /etc/default/rcS or by /lib/init/vars.sh?)

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:08:20PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> This is also a "sales" issue. I have seen to many faces darken when
> people see a Debian system boot for the first time. People get
> reminded of the old DOS days and decide that this Linux thing is too
> ugly to use.

So knowledge is ugly?  It is obviously so much better to not know what
is going on so that if it doesn't work you don't have to worry about it
because you know nothing that could help you to solve it so it isn't
your problem of course.

Now being able to just turn on the details when something is wrong, and
have them no there the rest of the time might be OK.  On the other hand
you boot once every few months so who cares what the boot messages look
like. :)

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Re: LSB init scripts

[Russ Allbery]

Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:08:20PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

>> This is also a "sales" issue. I have seen to many faces darken when
>> people see a Debian system boot for the first time. People get reminded
>> of the old DOS days and decide that this Linux thing is too ugly to
>> use.

> So knowledge is ugly?  It is obviously so much better to not know what
> is going on so that if it doesn't work you don't have to worry about it
> because you know nothing that could help you to solve it so it isn't
> your problem of course.

> Now being able to just turn on the details when something is wrong, and
> have them no there the rest of the time might be OK.  On the other hand
> you boot once every few months so who cares what the boot messages look
> like. :)

My ideal output format would just list "subsystem OK" (probably lined up
neatly) for each subsystem that's started successfully, so if everything
is fine, you'd see nothing but OKs.  (Special exception for startup that
needs to tell you what it's doing, in which case I'd like to see the
indented output of that subsystem before or after or bracketed by the OK
messages.)  If something fails, I want it to say it failed and show all of
the appropriate error messages immediately before or after.

I think that would give you the best of both worlds, particularly if it's
combined with logging so that the *full* output, without any
prettification, goes into a file on disk somewhere.

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Re: LSB init scripts

[Lars Wirzenius]

On to, 2007-05-03 at 13:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> My ideal output format would just list "subsystem OK"

While we're daydreaming, I'd like an empty screen with a timer counting
down how long (in seconds) I have until I can actually use the machine.
Unless there's a problem, of course, in which case I want all the info I
need to debug things.

(If I'm *really* daydreaming, I want a boot so fast I can't even see the
timer.)

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[VAC] Moving. Today until this weekend

[Santiago Ruano Rincón]

Hi,

Tonight, I'm travelling to Bogotá, I'll be unavailable for the rest of
the week, trying to put some order to all my stuff in my new place.

Most of my packages are co-maintained, so, talk to the team before any
NMU.

Best regards,

Santiago


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Re: LSB init scripts

[Russ Allbery]

Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On to, 2007-05-03 at 13:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> My ideal output format would just list "subsystem OK"

> While we're daydreaming, I'd like an empty screen with a timer counting
> down how long (in seconds) I have until I can actually use the machine.
> Unless there's a problem, of course, in which case I want all the info I
> need to debug things.

One of the great parts of using a library to handle the output formatting
is that people who want this sort of boot presentation (or anything else,
really) can then develop themes that do exactly what they want.

I really want to enable that feature.

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Re: Bug#422137: ITP: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 -- l33t h4x0r numb3r

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 20:28 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> * Package name: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
>   Version : 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
>   Upstream Author : MPAA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.mpaa.org/
> * License : Non-free
>   Programming Lang: Hex
>   Description : l33t h4x0r numb3r
> 
> This package contains the "09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0" number. It 
> is a very cool number, which, among other things, can be used by a wide 
> range of HD-DVD deciphering applications.
> 
> A small library is provided to access this number in applications. The 
> get_09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 C function returns a pointer to a 
> 16-byte structure containing this number.

Josselin, I had you pegged all wrong.

This R0xX0rZ
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Re: packages newer in Ubuntu than in Debian (reduced false positives)

[Peter Samuelson]

[Bart Martens]
> I've thought about adding an column for the versions in experimental,
> but that is not a high priority to me because this does not change
> that Debian Unstable is outdated for the listed packages.

Uh ... I thought the point of your project was to help package
maintainers.  Obviously if the maintainer has put something in
experimental, he has already done the work to package it!

Wouldn't putting the experimental version in your table be _more_
useful than the sid version, if it's newer?


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To whoever will take over mysql (... and to everybody else thinking about playing games with version numbers)

[Adrian von Bidder]

Please DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN:

+++
$ apt-cache policy mysql-server-4.1
mysql-server-4.1:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 5.0.32-7etch1
  Version table:
 5.0.38-3 0
600 http://syydelaervli unstable/main Packages
 5.0.38-1 0
700 http://syydelaervli lenny/main Packages
 5.0.32-7etch1 0
800 http://syydelaervli etch/main Packages
 4.1.11a-4sarge7 0
199 http://syydelaervli sarge/updates/main Packages
199 http://syydelaervli sarge/main Packages
+++

An unfortunate string of events lead me to upgrade a server from sarge to 
etch, using the mysql-server-4.1 package and stupidly assuming that a 
package with the package name "mysql-server-4.1" would contain a MySQL 
server version 4.1.  Cost me quite some time to undo the damage (juggling 
backup tapes, merging database contents etc.) because one application is 
not entirely MySQL 5 compatible and thus partly corrupted the database.

Providing no transition path is better than this.  If aptitude had told me 
that it needs to uninstall mysql-server-4.1, I'd have noticed.

cheers
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Work-needing packages report for May 4, 2007

[wnpp]

The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.

Total number of orphaned packages: 386 (new: 3)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 88 (new: 4)
Total number of packages requested help for: 36 (new: 0)

Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information.



The following packages have been orphaned:

   gtkpbbuttons (#422163), orphaned today
 Description: GTK client for pbbuttonsd
 Reverse Depends: gtkpbbuttons gtkpbbuttons-gnome
 Installations reported by Popcon: 131

   pbbuttonsd (#422162), orphaned today
 Description: PBButtons daemon to handle special hotkeys of Apple
   computers
 Reverse Depends: gtkpbbuttons gtkpbbuttons-gnome pbbuttonsd-dev
   powerprefs
 Installations reported by Popcon: 260

   powerprefs (#422164), orphaned today
 Description: Client to configure pbbuttonsd
 Installations reported by Popcon: 50

383 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a complete list.



The following packages have been given up for adoption:

   bigloo (#421745), offered 2 days ago
 Description: A practical Scheme compiler
 Reverse Depends: bigloo bigloo-backend-jvm bigloo-backend-native
   bigloo-devtools bigloo-ude skribe skribe-el
 Installations reported by Popcon: 106

   libmail-srs-perl (#421536), offered 4 days ago
 Description: interface to Sender Rewriting Scheme
 Reverse Depends: srs
 Installations reported by Popcon: 93

   pmount (#422005), offered yesterday
 Description: mount removable devices as normal user
 Reverse Depends: gnome-volume-manager ivman kdebase
 Installations reported by Popcon: 33118

   qc-usb (#421444), offered 4 days ago
 Description: source code for QuickCam Express kernel module
 Installations reported by Popcon: 338

84 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage for a complete list.



For the following packages help is requested:

   aboot (#315592), requested 679 days ago
 Description: Alpha bootloader: Looking for co-maintainers
 Reverse Depends: aboot aboot-cross dfsbuild ltsp-client
 Installations reported by Popcon: 84

   apt-build (#365427), requested 369 days ago
 Description: Need new developer(s)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 741

   apt-cacher (#403584), requested 136 days ago
 Description: caching proxy system for Debian package and source
   files
 Installations reported by Popcon: 314

   apt-show-versions (#382026), requested 268 days ago
 Description: lists available package versions with distribution
 Installations reported by Popcon: 2511

   athcool (#278442), requested 919 days ago
 Description: Enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors
 Installations reported by Popcon: 255

   audacity (#397166), requested 179 days ago
 Description: looking for co-maintainer
 Installations reported by Popcon: 3367

   cdw (#398252), requested 172 days ago
 Description: Tool for burning CD's - console version
 Reverse Depends: cdw gcdw
 Installations reported by Popcon: 227

   cvs (#354176), requested 434 days ago
 Description: Concurrent Versions System
 Reverse Depends: bonsai crossvc cvs-autoreleasedeb cvs-buildpackage
   cvs2cl cvs2html cvschangelogbuilder cvsconnect cvsd cvsdelta (17
   more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 15925

   dpkg (#282283), requested 894 days ago
 Description: dselect: a user tool to manage Debian packages
 Reverse Depends: alien alsa-source apt-build apt-cross apt-src
   backuppc build-essential bzr-builddeb clamsmtp crosshurd (85 more
   omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 47901

   gpsdrive (#406522), requested 112 days ago
 Description: Car navigation system
 Installations reported by Popcon: 355

   grub (#248397), requested 1088 days ago
 Description: GRand Unified Bootloader
 Reverse Depends: dfsbuild grub-splashimages replicator
 Installations reported by Popcon: 43158

   gtkpod (#319711), requested 648 days ago
 Description: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod
 Installations reported by Popcon: 627

   ispell-et (#391105), requested 211 days ago
 Description: Estonian dictionary for Aspell/Ispell/MySpell
 Installations reported by Popcon: 27

   lighttpd (#401575), requested 150 days ago
 Description: A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint
 Reverse Depends: lighttpd-mod-cml lighttpd-mod-magnet
   lighttpd-mod-mysql-vhost lighttpd-mod-trigger-b4-dl
   lighttpd-mo

Re: packages newer in Ubuntu than in Debian (reduced false positives)

[Bart Martens]

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 23:16 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Bart Martens]
> > I've thought about adding an column for the versions in experimental,
> > but that is not a high priority to me because this does not change
> > that Debian Unstable is outdated for the listed packages.
> 
> Uh ... I thought the point of your project was to help package
> maintainers.  Obviously if the maintainer has put something in
> experimental, he has already done the work to package it!
> 
> Wouldn't putting the experimental version in your table be _more_
> useful than the sid version, if it's newer?

It is of course very good that during "Etch freeze" some packagers have
already packaged newer versions in Experimental.  I intend to add a
column for the versions available in Experimental, to express
appropriate appreciation for those packagers.  OK for you?

Regards,

Bart Martens



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Re: To whoever will take over mysql (... and to everybody else thinking about playing games with version numbers)

[sean finney]

hi,

On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 07:52 +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> An unfortunate string of events lead me to upgrade a server from sarge to 
> etch, using the mysql-server-4.1 package and stupidly assuming that a 
> package with the package name "mysql-server-4.1" would contain a MySQL 
> server version 4.1.  Cost me quite some time to undo the damage (juggling 
> backup tapes, merging database contents etc.) because one application is 
> not entirely MySQL 5 compatible and thus partly corrupted the database.
> 
> Providing no transition path is better than this.  If aptitude had told me 
> that it needs to uninstall mysql-server-4.1, I'd have noticed.

um, shouldn't the fact that an upgrade of mysql-server-4.1 started
installing a package named "mysql-server-5.0" have been a good hint?

anyway, this issue is moot in >= etch, since we've adopted a new
versioning scheme which should avoid messes like this in the future.
currently we have an empty "mysql-server" package which depends on the
"recommended" version of mysql-server-NN, and no transitioning occurs
otherwise (similar to how linux-image is dealt with).  the only problem
was to get from sarge to this without leaving anyone behind, we had to
grease the wheels for the 4.1 users a bit.

and anyway, even if you hadn't been forced along the upgrade path, i'm
not sure that you would have liked the results, since there's no
mysql-client 4.1 package in etch, nor are there libmysqlclient14 (the
4.1 libraries) libraries, so stuff could very well have completely
broken anyway (though admittedly that'd be a bit easier to fix in your
situation).



sean


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