Re: Support lxde-desktop properly in lenny D-I RC2?
Hi Frans, Frans Pop wrote: > the "lenny" invocation. Try 'desktop=lxde' instead (and read the correct > version of the installation guide in future ;-). Thank you for point out the correct option. I tested it works now. Thanks. :) > In D-I you could possibly add something like support for "sudo installs" > (target system with root account disabled and sudo configured for regular > user), as we have for GNOME and KDE. But that is definitely for sqeeze. > win32-loader should gain support for LXDE, but that is also likely to be > post-lenny. post-lenny is fine. > What we could possibly still do for Lenny is create an LXDE installation > CD or, maybe better, change the current Xfce CD to support LXDE in > addition to Xfce. As both are "lightweight", I would expect both of them > to fit on a single CD. > Main problem with the last option would be the selection of the desired > desktop as we can only default to one and there is currently no support > for interactive selection. So users who want LXDE would still have to > boot with desktop=lxde, but would still have the advantage of having all > packages on CD. Either way are good for our users. Share one CD is better to prevent e-waste would be really appreciate. It would be much easier for user who wants to do offline installation on old computer and netbooks, and also have choice for XFCE or LXDE. :) > That is, *unless* we were to hack the syslinux menus at CD build time to > offer separate boot options for both. If we want to hack on this, can we have a multi-arch CD/DVD and have boot options for GNOME, KDE, XFCE and LXDE? That sounds cool, isn't it? :) > The needed changes would be limited to debian-cd and IMO should all be > doable. First action would have to be a check of space requirements. Look forward to see the space requirements result. :) Cheers, -Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Support lxde-desktop properly in lenny D-I RC2?
Frans Pop wrote: > I've done a quick test build and space does not seem to be a real issue. > There is hardly any difference between what packages get included on the > CD if the lxde task is added [1]. Note that I did not yet try including > any lxde language tasks, but I seriously doubt there are any yet. The language tasks for lxde also from tasksel, eg: chinese-t-desktop, japanese-desktop, korean-desktop...etc > P.S. Andrew: are you subscribed to d-boot or not? No. I was not. > [1] In fact, I was a bit surprised how few got pushed off. But seeing that > foomatic-db-gutenprint is 50MB explains a lot. See my previous mail > to the lists. > > Here's the diff: > --- xfce.list 2008-11-14 16:34:09.578159253 +0100 > +++ xfce+lxde.list2008-11-14 16:38:17.335657539 +0100 > -foomatic-db-gutenprint_5.0.2-4_all.deb > +gamin_0.1.9-2_i386.deb > +gpicview_0.1.9-4+lenny1_i386.deb > +gtk2-engines_2.14.3-2_i386.deb > +hal_0.5.11-6_i386.deb > +hal-info_20080508+git20080601-1_all.deb > -ijsgutenprint_5.0.2-4_i386.deb > +leafpad_0.8.13-1_i386.deb > +libgamin0_0.1.9-2_i386.deb > -libijs-0.35_0.35-3_i386.deb > +libobparser21_3.4.7.2-3_i386.deb > +libobrender21_3.4.7.2-3_i386.deb > +libsmbios2_2.0.3.dfsg-1_i386.deb > +lxappearance_0.2-1_i386.deb > +lxde_0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5_all.deb > +lxde-common_0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5_all.deb > +lxde-core_0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5_all.deb > +lxde-settings-daemon_0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5_i386.deb > +lxpanel_0.3.8.1-2_i386.deb > +lxrandr_0.1+svn20080716-1_i386.deb > +lxsession-lite_0.3.6-1_i386.deb > +lxterminal_0.1.3-1_i386.deb > +obconf_2.0.3-3_i386.deb > +openbox_3.4.7.2-3_i386.deb > +pcmanfm_0.5-3_i386.deb > +pm-utils_1.1.2.4-1_all.deb > +powermgmt-base_1.30_i386.deb > +xarchiver_0.4.6-8_i386.deb > +xscreensaver_5.05-3_i386.deb > +xscreensaver-data_5.05-3_i386.deb Does XFCE has any wifi GUI tool such as network-manager installed? I am thinking of LXDE need one. If space isn't the issue, should we have it(for user who installs on netbooks)? -Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Support lxde-desktop properly in lenny D-I RC2?
Frans Pop wrote:
> On Friday 14 November 2008, you wrote:
>> I think I'd be happier with a separate CD - many people are
>> downloading the CD#1 variants just to get their preferred desktop and
>> I'm guessing it's less likely to cause confusion if we keep each
>> targeted at one desktop only.
>
> Agreed. We'd have to decide how best to name a combined CD so as not to
> cause confusion.
How about name it this way if we want to have a combined CD?
debian-50r0-xfce-lxde-desktop-{CD,DVD}-1.iso
>> It'll also allow for more useful
>> packages on that CD for people just using that one DE - the packages
>> for the other one are just going to waste space in that scenario.
>
> Well, that's really why I'm thinking of the combined CD at all. The total
> size of added packages for the lxde desktop is only ~10MB... See the diff
> in my other mail.
Wow, so less.
> The major part of the CD is still taken by the general X.Org packages and
> things like Firefox and OpenOffice, which are all shared. So there's huge
> duplication.
Have you tried a test build to combine lxde or xfce with gnome? These
desktop all based on gtk+, and also need X.Org, OpenOffice, iceweasl
...etc packages.
> I have no strong objection to adding an extra CD though. It's less work
> than the combined CD.
I don't have strong objection to adding an extra CD as well. I am just
thinking of reduce the e-waste for some people who would burn each
debian image into CD/DVD.
-Andrew
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Re: Multi-desktop CDs for lenny
Frans Pop wrote: > There are two images available for testing: > - lxde CD: > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/debian-50-i386-lxde-CD.iso > - light desktop CD: > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/debian-50-i386-light-CD.iso Wow! I am so glad to see this come true. :) > These need extensive testing! Please also let us know what you think of > them. GNOME and KDE desktops both has Network-Manager installed by default. It would be good if XFCE and LXDE could also have Network-Manager or something similar installed by default. Cause I felt these lightweight desktops are mostly for to the netbook users. > A new idea that Steve suggested was to make the i386 and amd64 DVDs, and > if possible also the i386/amd64 multi-arch DVD (with or without powerpc > depending on space), support *all four* desktops. This would be > implemented a bit differently, namely by leaving the top level menu as it > is but adding a "Desktop selection" option in the Advanced options menu. That would be really cool. Cheers, -Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny
Hello folks, Frans Pop wrote: > I think we have the following options here: > 3) change m-a DVD to support all desktop environments; drop powerpc >(3rd column in 2nd table) > 4) something I have not investigated: drop source... > > My personal vote goes to option 3. For my personal opinion, the multi-arch DVD is very cool idea, cause of the convenience for our user to do many kind of "installations". And may be able to help other users even they have different arch computers and different level of hardwares. That makes this image like a magic and so powerful. :) So the question would be source vs ppc arch support, which is more useful for our users on the multi-arch DVD for the purpose? I think only people who don't have good internet connection would need source packages. And I guess rare of these people needs multi-arch support. So for these users, better choose standalone arch DVD image, cause they would need fully offline installation and source packages. So, may I vote for 4? Sorry Frans, hope you won't mind I made more works on you. :) -Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
