Re: Another about SID in ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/jigdo/
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Attila Nagy wrote: > Santiago Vila wrote: > > I still have some hope that those who produce and distribute sid CDs > > reconsider about it and stop doing so. > Why? Debian contains old software, everybody knows. The release cycle is also > different from the other distributions (does not depend on time, but on so > called "readyness"), so people who love Debian use SID on their desktops. > > And -believe it or not- there are people who don't have high speed Internet > access in their homes, and even ones, who don't have Internet at all! > > Those people grab the CDs/DVDs somewhere, and apt-get upgrade from it. > > You say people should not use SID at all. Excuse me, where in earth I've said such thing? I've just said that sid CDs/DVDs should not be distributed, as the Debian FAQ says. I'm just asking for a little bit of respect for a work which is not yet finished. I'm fed up of hearing about people trying to install Debian from sid CDs and asking about it on the lists. It could be that you are helping some people, but I have no doubt that you are harming some users at the same time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another about SID in ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/jigdo/
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Attila Nagy wrote: > Santiago Vila wrote: > > > You say people should not use SID at all. > > > Excuse me, where in earth I've said such thing? > > Maybe it's just me who thinks that those images help a lot of people to have > an up to date Debian system at home, so if you are against it, in my > interpretation you say users should not use SID. There are a lot of people who use sid without those CDs, so your claim that without them we would have no users using sid and nobody would report bugs in sid is completely unfounded (not to say ridiculous). I would even argue that the people who *need* a sid CD to have sid installed on a computer is *usually* not the kind of people who produce the most useful bug reports. A good bug reporter would check that the bug may be reproduced with the latest available version. If you are so deprived that you don't have internet access, it is much more difficult to upgrade to the latest version (unless you receive a sid DVD daily). > > I've just said that sid CDs/DVDs should not be distributed, as the > > Debian FAQ says. I'm just asking for a little bit of respect for a work > > which is not yet finished. > > I don't see too much difference between Sarge and SID in this topic. For a > long amount of time Debian refused to release unstable images, because of the > things you say above. Now there are official Sarge CDs. Sarge is also an > ongoing project which is called unstable. For the purposes of being unfinished work, there is a great difference, yes. I would even say that there is a huge difference. The sarge distribution is supposed to be in an always releaseable state, while sid is not. In sarge, dependencies are met, in sid, they are not. In sarge, there are not brown paper bag bugs of the kind which are fixed in several days. In sid, there may be, even if they are fixed in a day. It is particularly the possibility of brown paper bag bugs the thing that makes the existence of sid CDs especially undesirable. If I make a big mistake in a package and fix it a day later, I don't want this bug to be propagated and distributed widely more than it is already by being in unstable for one day, so I can't be glad that people distribute unstable CDs containing the buggy package which I fixed a day later. To me, the ten days delay which happens for packages in unstable to enter testing is exactly the kind of difference which makes testing CDs to be generally acceptable and unstable CDs generally not acceptable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another about SID in ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/jigdo/
Santiago Vila wrote: You say people should not use SID at all. Excuse me, where in earth I've said such thing? Maybe it's just me who thinks that those images help a lot of people to have an up to date Debian system at home, so if you are against it, in my interpretation you say users should not use SID. I've just said that sid CDs/DVDs should not be distributed, as the Debian FAQ says. I'm just asking for a little bit of respect for a work which is not yet finished. I don't see too much difference between Sarge and SID in this topic. For a long amount of time Debian refused to release unstable images, because of the things you say above. Now there are official Sarge CDs. Sarge is also an ongoing project which is called unstable. I'm fed up of hearing about people trying to install Debian from sid CDs and asking about it on the lists. It could be that you are helping some people, but I have no doubt that you are harming some users at the same time. Tell them what SID is. :) -- Attila Nagy e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Network (FSN.HU) phone @work: +361 371 3536 ISOs: http://www.fsn.hu/?f=downloadcell.: +3630 306 6758 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another about SID in ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/jigdo/
Santiago Vila wrote: I still have some hope that those who produce and distribute sid CDs reconsider about it and stop doing so. Why? Debian contains old software, everybody knows. The release cycle is also different from the other distributions (does not depend on time, but on so called "readyness"), so people who love Debian use SID on their desktops. And -believe it or not- there are people who don't have high speed Internet access in their homes, and even ones, who don't have Internet at all! Those people grab the CDs/DVDs somewhere, and apt-get upgrade from it. You say people should not use SID at all. If nobody uses SID, who will report bugs to you? -- Attila Nagy e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Network (FSN.HU) phone @work: +361 371 3536 ISOs: http://www.fsn.hu/?f=downloadcell.: +3630 306 6758 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
