Re: Many wrong links in doc/cd1

2004-09-04 Thread Pierre Machard
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:50:23PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:41:00PM +0200, Pierre Machard wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:17:45PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I noticed that www.debian.org/doc/cd1 contains many wrong links. Since
> > > this file contains
> > > 
> > > #   This file is used to generate index files for 
> > > #   ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/
> > > #   Links are only right when these pages are put together
> > > #   in debian-cd, so do not try to fix them, this would be
> > > #   a very bad idea!
> > > 
> > > I don't want to change this but I find this very ugly. Is it really a
> > > bad idea to fix these links?
> > 
> > The question is how did you arrive on this page ? 
> 
> I searched for common typos and found doc/cd1.wml in my CVS tree. There
> are indeed no links to cd1 but in this case it should be save to remove
> this file and other similar files.

Certainly not. Because I guess that files under /doc/cdX re used by 
CD-makers. (debian-cd CC: added)

> I already started translating files from CVS which where not used
> anymore because the maintainer only removed the links to these pages but
> forgot to remove these file.

As far as I am concerned I remove unused file. But This time I belive
that you are wrong.

That's true doc/ is not very well documented and should be cleaned, but
that's another issue.

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2004-09-04 Thread Thomas Kratz
Hi,

why does the sarge-i386-1.iso have 4485 MB? DVD+R/RW have only 4483 MB and so 
it is not possible to burn the iso on a DVD+R/RW.
  
greeting
 
Thomas Kratz


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Re: Many wrong links in doc/cd1

2004-09-04 Thread Frédéric Bothamy
* Pierre Machard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-04 16:59] :
> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:50:23PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:

[...]

> > I searched for common typos and found doc/cd1.wml in my CVS tree. There
> > are indeed no links to cd1 but in this case it should be save to remove
> > this file and other similar files.
> 
> Certainly not. Because I guess that files under /doc/cdX re used by 
> CD-makers. (debian-cd CC: added)
> 
> > I already started translating files from CVS which where not used
> > anymore because the maintainer only removed the links to these pages but
> > forgot to remove these file.
> 
> As far as I am concerned I remove unused file. But This time I belive
> that you are wrong.

Indeed, from the first commit of this file done by Denis Barbier:

  This file is not intended to be displayed on web site, but included on
  CD#1 under /doc/. Putting it here provides translators with a robust
  machinery to help them working on it.


Fred


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Re: size of DVD-image sarge-i386-1.iso is too large?

2004-09-04 Thread Jan Kesten
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Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote:
| Does anybody know what is the real limit in bytes for the size of
| an image to be written to a normal DVD?
If someone knows, I'd like to know it too - or a way to probe how
much data a given DVD media can take (I know at least Nero does some
checking under windows, but is there any way in debian?).
But to the first problem: I build images right out of a local debian
mirror with debian-cd tools - and since some time ago, I have
problems with too large images too:
teefix:/mirror2/mirror/debian-cd$ ls -lah sid-i386-*
- -rw-r--r--  1 ifjke ifjke 702M Sep  3 21:06 sid-i386-1.raw
- -rw-r--r--  1 ifjke ifjke 684M Sep  3 21:08 sid-i386-10.raw
- -rw-r--r--  1 ifjke ifjke 682M Sep  3 21:09 sid-i386-11.raw
And in CONF.sh the limit is set to:
export DEFBINSIZE=675
That ~680 MB ist not exactly 675MB as set in CONF.sh if of differnt
rounding of bytes to MB. But all except the first image are about
680MB which is 20MB larger. I think there was a thread here some
time ago about this.
Cheers,
Jan
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Re: size of DVD-image sarge-i386-1.iso is too large?

2004-09-04 Thread AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas
Hi,

"Len Sorensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DVD #2 is fine of course, but DVD #1 won't fit on my DVD+RW media (which
> is of course preferable media), while it does fit in my DVD-R media. 
> Perhaps the images need to be made 5 or 10M smaller than they currently
> are as a limit.

I also have the same problem - I can't burn September's 1 sarge-i386-1.iso 
DVD on DVD+RW media. I got an error message informing, that iso image
contains more sectors than are available on DVD+RW media.
I formated DVD+RW with dvd+rw-format utility (with -force or -blank
options, I don't remember now), but this doesn't help :(
Available sectors count on DVD+RW media and iso image sectors count is
bigger only in few hundreds (AFAIK sector's size is 2 KB), so I think we 
should make iso image smaller only in few megabytes.

AFAIK command 'dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cdrom' displays DVD media info:

INQUIRY:[LITE-ON ][COMBO LTC-48161H][KH0D]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media: 10h, DVD-ROM
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:   92h, DVD+RW book [revision 2]
 Legacy lead-out at:2295104*2KB=4700372992
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:   complete
 Number of Sessions:1
 State of Last Session: complete
 Number of Tracks:  1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:   complete
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Free Blocks:   0*2KB
 Track Size:2295104*2KB
FABRICATED TOC:
 Track#1  : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Track#AA : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Multi-session Info:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Size of sarge-i386-1.iso image is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/downloads/iso$ ls -la sarge-i386-1.iso
-rw-r--r--  1 mantas mantas 4702103552 2004-09-02 09:45 sarge-i386-1.iso

It seems difference between biggest possible iso image (4700372992) and
current sarge-i386-1.iso image is 1730560 bytes (1690 KB), so we should
make maximum iso image size about 2 megabytes smaller.

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Re: size of DVD-image sarge-i386-1.iso is too large?

2004-09-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 09:57:29PM +0300, AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas wrote:
>AFAIK command 'dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cdrom' displays DVD media info:
>
>INQUIRY:[LITE-ON ][COMBO LTC-48161H][KH0D]
>GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
> Mounted Media: 10h, DVD-ROM
>READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
> Media Book Type:   92h, DVD+RW book [revision 2]
> Legacy lead-out at:2295104*2KB=4700372992
>READ DISC INFORMATION:
> Disc status:   complete
> Number of Sessions:1
> State of Last Session: complete
> Number of Tracks:  1
>READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
> Track State:   complete
> Track Start Address:   0*2KB
> Free Blocks:   0*2KB
> Track Size:2295104*2KB
>FABRICATED TOC:
> Track#1  : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Track#AA : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Multi-session Info:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>Size of sarge-i386-1.iso image is:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/downloads/iso$ ls -la sarge-i386-1.iso
>-rw-r--r--  1 mantas mantas 4702103552 2004-09-02 09:45 sarge-i386-1.iso
>
>It seems difference between biggest possible iso image (4700372992) and
>current sarge-i386-1.iso image is 1730560 bytes (1690 KB), so we should
>make maximum iso image size about 2 megabytes smaller.

Thanks for that. I don't have any DVD+RW media handy to be able to
grab that information. The easiest number to remember is probably
47 bytes. If we're under that, we should be covered OK for all
the common DVD formats, just like 68000 bytes is a safe max for
normal CD ISO images.

Does anybody out there have a DL DVD drive and media yet? The maximum
LBA on DVD+R DL media would also be a useful piece of information...

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