Dual Boot?

[rfa]

In installing debian on my system, I want to dual boot but I am not sure
which to boot first, WinXp(there are some apps that I still have to run on
windows), or Debian and how should i partition(where to install the OSs).

Does anyone have a guide on this?

Also can Debian write to NTFS partitions?

And is there a utility to let the user choose which partition will boot up?

I appreciate your answers,

Yours,

Rommel




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Re: which isos to download?

[Jan Kesten]

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Hi Rommel!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:

> May i ask if I have to download all the isos to install debian?
> Which are the most important isos to download?

No you havn't to download all images of woody to install it. In fact
you don't even need a full image of cd 1 to install - there are some
net install images around there, which are much smaller and are able
to download all software packages from the internet while installing :-)

http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

But you can also use the first four CDs of woody for example to
install from cd and get all other software from the net. (Most of
the interesting software will be on the first cds)

> what is the differnce between sarge and woody?

Woody is the current stable release - meaning it has been tested a
long time and it is very stable. And there are security updates
available for it, so you get updates for packages with security
risks really fast. But because of the testing phase and the fact
that woody was first released 19th of July, 2002 some of the
packages are a bit outdated (here you can get backports with newer
software).

Sarge is the current testing "release" - so this is more up to date
than woody, but testing it has not finished yet. You may use this on
your own pc but I do not recommend to use it on a production system
(as a server for example), because there may be some errors and
security risks ans these not updated as fast as in woody.

> sorry if my questions are not very good.

My english isn't eihter ;-) But I remember my teachers: "There are
no bad questions... only bas answers." (and I hope mine isn't)

Cheers,
Jan

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Re: Dual Boot?

[Jan Kesten]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In installing debian on my system, I want to dual boot but I am
> not sure which to boot first, WinXp(there are some apps that I
> still have to run on windows), or Debian and how should i
> partition(where to install the OSs).

> Does anyone have a guide on this?

Here is an old bookmark, but you should find a lot of descriptions
in the net or in debians mailinglist archive (think I've read
something about this a few weeks ago).



> Also can Debian write to NTFS partitions?

Yes, you _can_ write to an NTFS partition - I've tried it with
Windows NT and an 2.4.x Kernel and result was that after a couple of
weeks the NTFS partition became unreadable. Since when building a
new kernel and selecting NTFS write support it is clearly marked as
_experimental_ I used an extra partition for testing, so it didn't
matter at all. So don't use it except for testing - if you must
transfer files from linux to windows it is much better to use a FAT
partition to do that.

> And is there a utility to let the user choose which partition
> will boot up?

While installing woody the installer asks you how lilo (LInuxLOader)
should be configured - here you can add all partitions you want to
boot from, and after rebooting you get a menu where you an pick.

But you can search the archives (at http://lists.debian.org) there
were some discussions about this recently.

Cheers,
Jan

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Re: Dual Boot?

[Lukas Ruf]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-03 09:48]:
>
> In installing debian on my system, I want to dual boot but I am not sure
> which to boot first, WinXp(there are some apps that I still have to run on
> windows), or Debian and how should i partition(where to install the OSs).
>
> Does anyone have a guide on this?
>

My recommendation:
- create a common DOS-mbr
- partition your disk like
/dev/hda1 /boot (50MB)  <= mark as active
/dev/hda2 /ntfs
/dev/hda3 /
/dev/hda5 /home
/dev/hda6 /var
- install the lilo bootblock into /dev/hda1
- install WinXP/Debian as usual
  (remember that WinXP changes the active partition)
- add an entry into /etc/lilo.conf such that it allows
  booting /dev/hda2


> Also can Debian write to NTFS partitions?
>
There are some drivers, see on SourceForge or ask Google.

> And is there a utility to let the user choose which partition will boot up?
>

lilo / grub / Windofs Boot Manager

wbr,
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Re: Debian Archiv von CD's auf Platte erstellen?

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Peter Weiss, Sun Microsystems, Germany wrote:

> Danke für den Tipp. rsync sollte gehen.  Ein Problem habe ich
> noch mit ftp.de.debian.org: Für meine Hardware brauche ich
> einiges aus experimental.

Soweit kein Problem :-)

> Die Pakete scheinen auf dem Server im pool-Verzeichnis zu sein,
> wenn ich das ls-lR-File anschaue, wenn ich aber unter
> dists/experimental/main schaue finde ich dort zwar die Packages
> files, nicht aber die Symlinks ins pool-Verzeichnis.

Stimmt, aber das ist auch vollkommen in Ordnung so. Denn schau mal
in das Packages File, dort stehen unter "Filename:" verweise in den
Pool :-) D.h. wenn Du eine Kopie des Pools hast, dann hast Du auch
alles aus experimental mit dabei..

Jan

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sarge-1.iso jigdo failed

[Marek Jambrich]

Hi debian-cd!

I try to download sarge-i386-1.iso using jigdo-lite
from official testing images directory.
At the end jigdo was unable to download 19 files, because
there are no in snapshot directory.(e.g. fbset_2.1-12_i386.deb).

Am I right or I'm doing something wrong?
I am using jigdo just second time.

Thank you in advance
Marek Jambrich



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businesscard/netinst iso building

[Stephen R Marenka]

Please cc me.

Is something like this what it takes to build a businesscard or
netinst-type cd?


. CONF.sh
make distclean
make status
make list TASK=tasks/debian-installer+kernel COMPLETE=0 SIZELIMIT=5000
make bootable
make packages
make bin-image CD=1


Thanks,

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Re: debian-cd mirror www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de

[Ralph Simmler]

Dear *,

our Debian CD mirror http://www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de/debian-cd/
is now closed. The side is rewrite to http://ftp.leo.org/debian-cd/ .
So please correct our Web-Sides.
http://www.de.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
because Leo (Deutschland: ftp.leo.org: FTP HTTP) mirrors the debian-cd, 
I'll close
our Debian-CD mirror (Deutschland: www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de: 
HTTP) in the
next days.

So please correct our Web-Sides.
I'll rewrite our mirror-side then to leo.org.


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Re: debian-cd mirror www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de

[Richard Atterer]

On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 03:20:28PM +0100, Ralph Simmler wrote:
> our Debian CD mirror http://www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de/debian-cd/
> is now closed. The side is rewrite to http://ftp.leo.org/debian-cd/ .
> 
> So please correct our Web-Sides.
> http://www.de.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/

OK, done - the website should be updated in a few hours.

> Viele Gruesse
> Ralph Simmler
> 
> Rechnerverwaltung
> -
> Ralph Simmler, Dipl.-Ing. (FH)
> Phone: +49 89/2180-4531  Fax: +49 89/2180-4155
> http://www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~simmler/

Greetings from 'round the corner (Medieninformatik, Amalienstraße;-),

  Richard

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Dual Boot?

[rfa]

In installing debian on my system, I want to dual boot but I am not sure
which to boot first, WinXp(there are some apps that I still have to run on
windows), or Debian and how should i partition(where to install the OSs).

Does anyone have a guide on this?

Also can Debian write to NTFS partitions?

And is there a utility to let the user choose which partition will boot up?

I appreciate your answers,

Yours,

Rommel

Re: which isos to download?

[Jan Kesten]

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Hi Rommel!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:

> May i ask if I have to download all the isos to install debian?
> Which are the most important isos to download?

No you havn't to download all images of woody to install it. In fact
you don't even need a full image of cd 1 to install - there are some
net install images around there, which are much smaller and are able
to download all software packages from the internet while installing :-)

http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

But you can also use the first four CDs of woody for example to
install from cd and get all other software from the net. (Most of
the interesting software will be on the first cds)

> what is the differnce between sarge and woody?

Woody is the current stable release - meaning it has been tested a
long time and it is very stable. And there are security updates
available for it, so you get updates for packages with security
risks really fast. But because of the testing phase and the fact
that woody was first released 19th of July, 2002 some of the
packages are a bit outdated (here you can get backports with newer
software).

Sarge is the current testing "release" - so this is more up to date
than woody, but testing it has not finished yet. You may use this on
your own pc but I do not recommend to use it on a production system
(as a server for example), because there may be some errors and
security risks ans these not updated as fast as in woody.

> sorry if my questions are not very good.

My english isn't eihter ;-) But I remember my teachers: "There are
no bad questions... only bas answers." (and I hope mine isn't)

Cheers,
Jan

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Re: Dual Boot?

[Jan Kesten]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In installing debian on my system, I want to dual boot but I am
> not sure which to boot first, WinXp(there are some apps that I
> still have to run on windows), or Debian and how should i
> partition(where to install the OSs).

> Does anyone have a guide on this?

Here is an old bookmark, but you should find a lot of descriptions
in the net or in debians mailinglist archive (think I've read
something about this a few weeks ago).



> Also can Debian write to NTFS partitions?

Yes, you _can_ write to an NTFS partition - I've tried it with
Windows NT and an 2.4.x Kernel and result was that after a couple of
weeks the NTFS partition became unreadable. Since when building a
new kernel and selecting NTFS write support it is clearly marked as
_experimental_ I used an extra partition for testing, so it didn't
matter at all. So don't use it except for testing - if you must
transfer files from linux to windows it is much better to use a FAT
partition to do that.

> And is there a utility to let the user choose which partition
> will boot up?

While installing woody the installer asks you how lilo (LInuxLOader)
should be configured - here you can add all partitions you want to
boot from, and after rebooting you get a menu where you an pick.

But you can search the archives (at http://lists.debian.org) there
were some discussions about this recently.

Cheers,
Jan

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Re: Dual Boot?

[Lukas Ruf]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-03 09:48]:
>
> In installing debian on my system, I want to dual boot but I am not sure
> which to boot first, WinXp(there are some apps that I still have to run on
> windows), or Debian and how should i partition(where to install the OSs).
>
> Does anyone have a guide on this?
>

My recommendation:
- create a common DOS-mbr
- partition your disk like
/dev/hda1 /boot (50MB)  <= mark as active
/dev/hda2 /ntfs
/dev/hda3 /
/dev/hda5 /home
/dev/hda6 /var
- install the lilo bootblock into /dev/hda1
- install WinXP/Debian as usual
  (remember that WinXP changes the active partition)
- add an entry into /etc/lilo.conf such that it allows
  booting /dev/hda2


> Also can Debian write to NTFS partitions?
>
There are some drivers, see on SourceForge or ask Google.

> And is there a utility to let the user choose which partition will boot up?
>

lilo / grub / Windofs Boot Manager

wbr,
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Re: Debian Archiv von CD's auf Platte erstellen?

[Jan Kesten]

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Peter Weiss, Sun Microsystems, Germany wrote:

> Danke für den Tipp. rsync sollte gehen.  Ein Problem habe ich
> noch mit ftp.de.debian.org: Für meine Hardware brauche ich
> einiges aus experimental.

Soweit kein Problem :-)

> Die Pakete scheinen auf dem Server im pool-Verzeichnis zu sein,
> wenn ich das ls-lR-File anschaue, wenn ich aber unter
> dists/experimental/main schaue finde ich dort zwar die Packages
> files, nicht aber die Symlinks ins pool-Verzeichnis.

Stimmt, aber das ist auch vollkommen in Ordnung so. Denn schau mal
in das Packages File, dort stehen unter "Filename:" verweise in den
Pool :-) D.h. wenn Du eine Kopie des Pools hast, dann hast Du auch
alles aus experimental mit dabei..

Jan

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sarge-1.iso jigdo failed

[Marek Jambrich]

Hi debian-cd!

I try to download sarge-i386-1.iso using jigdo-lite
from official testing images directory.
At the end jigdo was unable to download 19 files, because
there are no in snapshot directory.(e.g. fbset_2.1-12_i386.deb).

Am I right or I'm doing something wrong?
I am using jigdo just second time.

Thank you in advance
Marek Jambrich

businesscard/netinst iso building

[Stephen R Marenka]

Please cc me.

Is something like this what it takes to build a businesscard or
netinst-type cd?


. CONF.sh
make distclean
make status
make list TASK=tasks/debian-installer+kernel COMPLETE=0 SIZELIMIT=5000
make bootable
make packages
make bin-image CD=1


Thanks,

Stephen

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Re: debian-cd mirror www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de

[Ralph Simmler]

Dear *,
our Debian CD mirror http://www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de/debian-cd/
is now closed. The side is rewrite to http://ftp.leo.org/debian-cd/ .
So please correct our Web-Sides.
http://www.de.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
because Leo (Deutschland: ftp.leo.org: FTP HTTP) mirrors the debian-cd, 
I'll close
our Debian-CD mirror (Deutschland: www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de: 
HTTP) in the
next days.

So please correct our Web-Sides.
I'll rewrite our mirror-side then to leo.org.

--
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Ralph Simmler
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Re: debian-cd mirror www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de

[Richard Atterer]

On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 03:20:28PM +0100, Ralph Simmler wrote:
> our Debian CD mirror http://www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de/debian-cd/
> is now closed. The side is rewrite to http://ftp.leo.org/debian-cd/ .
> 
> So please correct our Web-Sides.
> http://www.de.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/

OK, done - the website should be updated in a few hours.

> Viele Gruesse
> Ralph Simmler
> 
> Rechnerverwaltung
> -
> Ralph Simmler, Dipl.-Ing. (FH)
> Phone: +49 89/2180-4531  Fax: +49 89/2180-4155
> http://www.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~simmler/

Greetings from 'round the corner (Medieninformatik, Amalienstraße;-),

  Richard

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