Design of new debian-cd

2004-01-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello everybody,

I took a few notes yesterday everning about how I would see the build of
an image with a rewrite of debian-cd ... it's in the text file attached.

Comments are welcome (as well as patch if you feel the need to extend
what I wrote) !

Cheers,
-- 
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Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com
Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org

DESIGN OF A NEW DEBIAN-CD

Process of building a set of ISO


1. Setup a build directory
 
   This temp tree will be self-hosting. It will contain everything
   related to that CD set and its build for one arch :
   - the configuration selected (having it only in environment variables
 is not good, it causes confusion and is a risk of having an old
 config conflict with the new one currently used if all variables are
 not reset)
   - the list of packages to include (still generated from profile like it
 is now)
   - temporary tree(s) where we drop everything that needs to be put on
 the image
   - resulting ISO images or jigdo files
   - temporary tree for apt
   - cache file for things downloaded from the net ?
   - scripts used to generate
   
2. Configure the parameters of the build

   - Select a "media type"
 This will induce a default media size and will have consequences on
 other scripts concerning how much data can be included on the image.
   - Select a "package profile" (i.e. an actual task)
   - Select a "debian-installer profile"
   - Select a "build profile"
 This could copy all the required scripts in the build directory.
 (maybe the "media type" info could be integrated into the
  "build profile", in any case build profiles would vary with
  releases ...)
   
   - Customize any other standard configuration item (cf CONF.sh)
   
   - Add additionnal sources of package (used to be "local packages")

3. Setup an APT sub-directory to be able to download packages and to
   make calculations with the information contained in
   "apt-cache dumpavailable"

Loop until packages are available (

 4. Add "fixed" content to the CD #1 (documentation, tools, boot files, ...).
 
 5. Create the list of packages that goes for CD #1 (with an accurate
calculation since we already have all the content of the image
except md5sum.txt and the Packages files, and size of both of them
can be easily estimated).
 
 6. Generate Packages.gz file for CD #1 (ideally without having to add the
packages into the temp tree).
 
)

And then :

7a. Either add packages and generate .iso

7b. Or directly generate jigdo files.



Net_install

2004-01-09 Thread kernow




Hi,
I have copies of your Net_install ISOs  available here:
ftp://mandrake-forum.org/pub/Debian/
ftp://mandrakeusers.org/pub/Debian/
Despite the name, we are independent and support all Linux Distro's.
Regards.







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found one netinst cd for woody

2004-01-09 Thread Xavier de Blas
Here:

http://ameba.sc-uni.ktu.lt/debian-cd/




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Re: Future of debian-cd

2004-01-09 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:06:55PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Something that Phil and I discussed a while ago - it should be
> feasible to produce jigdo images of CDs directly from Packages,

jigdo needs each file's md5sum and another, special checksum of the first
1k of data of each file. Those checksums would have to be made available
for download on a server for this to work.

But doesn't some architecture do something really dirty to make CDs
bootable - overwriting part of the image output by mkisofs, or similar?

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: Making CD bootable

2004-01-09 Thread Richard Atterer
Hi Clark,

On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 08:11:36PM -0800, Clark Green wrote:
> After having burned the .iso image to a CD, I find it does not boot.  My
> BIOS boot device settings are fine; other bootable CDs (.iso image of
> Knoppix, for example) work just fine.

Maybe try booting from the second/third/fourth CD, they use a different 
way of booting. See http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#bootable

> Is there something I need to do to make the CD bootable?

No, it should work as is...

  Richard

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Broken Link to "testing" net install image

2004-01-09 Thread Jerod Wilkerson



I am trying to get 
the net install image for the "testing" release but the link on the website (http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/) 
is broken. Is there a different URL I should 
use?


Re: Broken Link to "testing" net install image

2004-01-09 Thread Tony D'Amato

--- Jerod Wilkerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to get the net install image for the "testing"
> release but the
> link on the website
> (http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/) is
> broken. Is there a different URL I should use?
> 

As was posted earlier, you may be able to find the netinst cds
here:

http://people.debian.org/~manty/

The following notice in the list history mentions this:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2003/debian-cd-200312/msg00153.html



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Link per il CD per l'installazione da RETE

2004-01-09 Thread Nicolò Pastore






Salve a tutti, 
ho trovato delle immagini del CD per l'installazione in rete di Debian GNU/Linux, all'indirizzo: http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ mi sono sentito in dovere di comunicarverlo visto che sul sito chiedevate dei link per questo CD, perchè le vostre pagine sono down!
Saluti e buon Lavoro a Tutti!
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2004-01-09 Thread Phillip Morelock
this link http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/

(from www.debian.org/CD/netinst)

seems to be broken

all the best!
fillup
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Design of new debian-cd

2004-01-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello everybody,

I took a few notes yesterday everning about how I would see the build of
an image with a rewrite of debian-cd ... it's in the text file attached.

Comments are welcome (as well as patch if you feel the need to extend
what I wrote) !

Cheers,
-- 
Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com
Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com
Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org

DESIGN OF A NEW DEBIAN-CD

Process of building a set of ISO


1. Setup a build directory
 
   This temp tree will be self-hosting. It will contain everything
   related to that CD set and its build for one arch :
   - the configuration selected (having it only in environment variables
 is not good, it causes confusion and is a risk of having an old
 config conflict with the new one currently used if all variables are
 not reset)
   - the list of packages to include (still generated from profile like it
 is now)
   - temporary tree(s) where we drop everything that needs to be put on
 the image
   - resulting ISO images or jigdo files
   - temporary tree for apt
   - cache file for things downloaded from the net ?
   - scripts used to generate
   
2. Configure the parameters of the build

   - Select a "media type"
 This will induce a default media size and will have consequences on
 other scripts concerning how much data can be included on the image.
   - Select a "package profile" (i.e. an actual task)
   - Select a "debian-installer profile"
   - Select a "build profile"
 This could copy all the required scripts in the build directory.
 (maybe the "media type" info could be integrated into the
  "build profile", in any case build profiles would vary with
  releases ...)
   
   - Customize any other standard configuration item (cf CONF.sh)
   
   - Add additionnal sources of package (used to be "local packages")

3. Setup an APT sub-directory to be able to download packages and to
   make calculations with the information contained in
   "apt-cache dumpavailable"

Loop until packages are available (

 4. Add "fixed" content to the CD #1 (documentation, tools, boot files, ...).
 
 5. Create the list of packages that goes for CD #1 (with an accurate
calculation since we already have all the content of the image
except md5sum.txt and the Packages files, and size of both of them
can be easily estimated).
 
 6. Generate Packages.gz file for CD #1 (ideally without having to add the
packages into the temp tree).
 
)

And then :

7a. Either add packages and generate .iso

7b. Or directly generate jigdo files.



Net_install

2004-01-09 Thread kernow




Hi,
I have copies of your Net_install ISOs  available here:
ftp://mandrake-forum.org/pub/Debian/
ftp://mandrakeusers.org/pub/Debian/
Despite the name, we are independent and support all Linux Distro's.
Regards.









found one netinst cd for woody

2004-01-09 Thread Xavier de Blas
Here:

http://ameba.sc-uni.ktu.lt/debian-cd/






Broken Link to "testing" net install image

2004-01-09 Thread Jerod Wilkerson



I am trying to get 
the net install image for the "testing" release but the link on the website (http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/) 
is broken. Is there a different URL I should 
use?


Re: Making CD bootable

2004-01-09 Thread Richard Atterer
Hi Clark,

On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 08:11:36PM -0800, Clark Green wrote:
> After having burned the .iso image to a CD, I find it does not boot.  My
> BIOS boot device settings are fine; other bootable CDs (.iso image of
> Knoppix, for example) work just fine.

Maybe try booting from the second/third/fourth CD, they use a different 
way of booting. See http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#bootable

> Is there something I need to do to make the CD bootable?

No, it should work as is...

  Richard

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Re: Broken Link to "testing" net install image

2004-01-09 Thread Tony D'Amato

--- Jerod Wilkerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to get the net install image for the "testing"
> release but the
> link on the website
> (http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/) is
> broken. Is there a different URL I should use?
> 

As was posted earlier, you may be able to find the netinst cds
here:

http://people.debian.org/~manty/

The following notice in the list history mentions this:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2003/debian-cd-200312/msg00153.html



=
Tony.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
 temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
 - Ben Franklin




Link per il CD per l'installazione da RETE

2004-01-09 Thread Nicolò Pastore






Salve a tutti, 
ho trovato delle immagini del CD per l'installazione in rete di Debian GNU/Linux, all'indirizzo: http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ mi sono sentito in dovere di comunicarverlo visto che sul sito chiedevate dei link per questo CD, perchè le vostre pagine sono down!
Saluti e buon Lavoro a Tutti!
Nicolò Pastore







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2004-01-09 Thread Phillip Morelock
this link http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/
(from www.debian.org/CD/netinst)
seems to be broken
all the best!
fillup



Re: Future of debian-cd

2004-01-09 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:06:55PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Something that Phil and I discussed a while ago - it should be
> feasible to produce jigdo images of CDs directly from Packages,

jigdo needs each file's md5sum and another, special checksum of the first
1k of data of each file. Those checksums would have to be made available
for download on a server for this to work.

But doesn't some architecture do something really dirty to make CDs
bootable - overwriting part of the image output by mkisofs, or similar?

Cheers,

  Richard

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